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/wdg/ - Web Development General

Previous Thread: >>56379323

> Discord
https://discord.gg/wdg
OR
https://discord.gg/0qLTzz5potDFXfdT
(they're the same)

>IRC Channel
#/g/wdg @ irc.rizon.net
Web client: https://www.rizon.net/chat

>Learning material
https://www.codecademy.com/
https://www.bento.io/
https://programming-motherfucker.com/
https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
https://www.theodinproject.com/
https://www.freecodecamp.com/
http://www.w3schools.com/
https://developer.mozilla.org/
http://www.codewars.com/
https://youtu.be/JxAXlJEmNMg?list=PL7664379246A246CB - "Crockford on JavaScript" lecture series.

>Useful Youtube channels
derekbanas
thenewboston
learncodeacademy
funfunfunction
computerphile
codingrainbow

>Frontend development
https://github.com/dypsilon/frontend-dev-bookmarks

>Backend development
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
https://gist.github.com/dypsilon/5819528/

>Useful tools
https://pastebin.com/q5nB1Npt/
https://libraries.io/ - Discover new open source libraries, modules and frameworks and keep track of ones you depend upon.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web - Guides for HTML, CSS, JS, Web APIs & more.
http://www.programmableweb.com/ - List of public APIs

>NEET guide to web dev employment
https://pastebin.com/4YeJAUbT/

>How to get started
https://youtu.be/sBzRwzY7G-k - "2016/2017 MUST-KNOW WEB DEVELOPMENT TECH - Watch this if you want to be a web developer "
https://youtu.be/zf_cb_Nw5zY - "JavaScript is Easy" - If you can't into programming, you probably won't find a simpler introduction to JavaScript than this.

>cheap vps hosting in most western locations
https://lowendbox.com
https://www.digitalocean.com/
https://www.linode.com/
https://www.heroku.com/
https://www.leaseweb.com
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>>56389515
>don't assume my social skills
I wasn't assuming anything. (I am now, though)

The reason I mentioned that is because a lot of people want to go into freelance web dev because they think it's a job where you can just sit at your computer and make websites, when in reality it's mostly talking to people and trying to sell them shit. Nothing about that was directed at you in particular, and you'd know that if you had actually read the post instead of sperging out at the mention of social skills.

>My issue has been more meeting people with small businesses who would actually want a website.
Then maybe you should find businesses with shitty websites and convince them to upgrade.
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Trying to do this:

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/applied-technologies/web-digital-media-design/index.php

and since this is more of an arts thing and not that really computer science, I'm thinking of getting some marketing certs along the way.

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/business/social-media-marketing/index.php

and maybe

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/applied-technologies/marketing-media/index.php

Does anyone have any recommendations or advice?
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>>56391678
If you're trying to get into a programming / web dev / IT job, it's usually BS CS or don't bother. Companies mostly won't care about AS degrees and almost certainly won't care about the marketing certs. You're probably better off saving the money and self-teaching or doing courses on udemy / coursera / etc.
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Fuck leaseweb.com, some pleb tried to ddos extort me and they suspended my dedi.
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>>56392659
Shady people only come if you do shady shit. Your fault.
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Need to design a new portfolio site. Any suggestions on a css framework?

I'm a fan of bootstrap for it's flex system. But i'd like to try something new.
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>>56393191
Materialize is neat.
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Does anyone know how to link to chrome bookmarks?

<a href="chrome://bookmarks/#2" target="_self">Misc</a>

does not work.
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I have no idea how to center a button in HTML5, so I just put it inside a div with align = "center".
Is that a bad idea?
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>>56395644
learn css if you want accurate positioning.
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>>56393191

just use vanilla css, you'll have like what 2-4 static pages to build?
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>Hack a really cool canvas website during the weekend
>decide to implement it with proper structure and frameworks next weekend
>lose interest

And the cycle continues. I have a lot of projects but they are all unreadable/expandable native spagetti.
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Sup guys. I'm making a web app with a dynamic form. When the user clicks 'Add Another' a new form field is generated where they can input information.
How do I get all the values from the form using JavaScript since the fields will not have a set amount or a set name/ID?
And how do I make sure none of them are empty?
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>>56396347
It returns 0-2 as it should
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>>56396148
What was the idea, anon? Maybe someone else would do it.
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Alright /g/, I just don't get this fucking "headers already sent" php bullshit, please help.

Error:

Warning: session_start(): Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/Mini TI/index.php:9) in /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/Mini TI/php/funcoes.php on line 60


Line 60 (where I'm attempting to start a session):
function iniciaSessao($nome, $email, $telefone, $endereco) {
if (!verificaSeSessaoExiste()) {
session_start();
$_SESSION["nome"] = $nome;
$_SESSION["email"] = $email;
$_SESSION["telefone"] = $telefone;
$_SESSION["endereco"] = $endereco;
}
}


Line 9 and beyond (where it says the output started):
> pic related

My form:
<div class="caixaInterface login">
<form action="<?php echo htmlspecialchars($_SERVER["PHP_SELF"]);?>" method="post">
<input type="text" name="email" class="campoDeEntrada" placeholder="e-mail" value="<?php echo $email;?>" required>
<?php verificaMsgECriaBalao($msgSucessoCadastro, "balaoMsg");?>
<?php verificaMsgECriaBalao($msgErroEmail, "balaoMsg erro");?>
<?php verificaMsgECriaBalao($msgErroLogin, "balaoMsg erro");?>
<input type="password" name="senha" class="campoDeEntrada" placeholder="senha" required>
<?php verificaMsgECriaBalao($msgErroSenha, "balaoMsg erro");?>
<br><input type="submit" name="botaoEnviarDados" value="Entrar">
</form>
<a href="php/cadastro.php"><button type="button" class="botao botaoCadastrese">Cadastre-se!</button></a>
</div>
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>>56396586
I wish I knew php so I could help you. Actually I'm glad I don't know php.
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>>56396586
PHP is so ugly what the fuck.7
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>>56396586
I always have some trouble when people use var name in their own language, mixing it with english terms.

For your error, it means you've already sent the header somewhere. Are you sure you're not outputting anything before session_start? session_start should be a priority.

Ah, I see you have a <body> on top, that's probably why. session_start above any output.
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>>56396677
Because it's written by some beginner.
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Should I even bother self teaching this shit to get a job if programming is going to become over-saturated anyways with all the bootcamp grads?
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>>56396704
So should I always put my php script before any html tag (like pic related)?
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>>56396807
Not necessarily. It depends on your project structure. But as you can see, for sessions, it can cause problems. Simply put session_start on top of everything, even if you only use it later in the code.
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>>56396791
that doesn't matter
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>>56396791
Nobody is becoming a dev anymore because of how popular it is to learn. It's just not worth it.
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alright
bento, free code camp, or the odin project?
respond quick or your house turns into a cumblasted anime figure
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>>56397273
i dunno anon. the way i have always learned is with youtube tutorials. pls no cum mr
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>>56396880
thanks anon!
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Does this look right? I'm trying to create a function that can be called using an optional callback and return a Promise if no callback is supplied.

someAsyncFunc = (someArg, callback) => {
const promise = new Promise((resolve, reject) => {
doAsyncThing(someArg.foo, someArg.bar, (err, asyncResult) => {
if (err) {
reject(err);
} else {
resolve(asyncResult);
}
});
});

if (!callback) {
return promise;
} else {
promise
.then(result => callback(null, result))
.catch(err => callback(err));
}
}


then use it with a callback func:

someAsyncFunc(stuff, (err, result) => {
if (err) {
handle(err);
} else {
doStuffWith(result);
}
});


or use it as a promise:

someAsyncFunc(stuff)
.then(result => {
doStuffWith(result);
})
.catch(err => handle(err));
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how can I make a d3 chart responsive? I tried setting the width as the parent div width but it only resizes after you refresh the page. here is test fiddle https://jsfiddle.net/eamonnmag/Q567s/
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>Just got a job as a web dev
>Have no experience web developing for a living
>Site I'm supposed to be maintaining has no documentation whatsoever
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Maybe a dumb question but I am having problems finding the answer.

I'm trying to use Mongo/Mongoose in my application (huur durr), and I'm trying to have an array of items inside my document. The thing is, is that I want to keep them unique, but I can have two of the same type saved within my array, even though I have it set so its supposed to be unique.

Is there a reason for this? I've dropped the database in case it didn't catch on that they have to be unique, but it seems like the Array type in Mongo doesn't support unique indexes natively.
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>>56398299
I don't understand your question. What do you mean by unique?
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>>56397202
>>56397251
I'm confused on what these even mean
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>>56393191
I second Materialize it didn't take me long to get good and fast with it wen just starting out
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Hello /wdg/ i was wondering if you could help me with setting my homepage, i have to .html file with all the css saved in it and was wondering how to set it up as homepage for my Chromium browser.

https://github.com/ubuntufag/html
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>>56398327
I should phrase it better, but I'm a little tired.

I'm basically trying to implement a version of facebooks "save post" kind of thing. What I mean by unique is, is that I can save the same 2 posts (they have the same uniqueID/everything) in my database, even though I have it set in my Mongoose schema that I want them unique (so no two posts are in the same array)
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Red pill me on CSS transform /wdg/.
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>>56398383
I don't use facebook. Is that save post function like a watch later on Youtube?
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>>56398402
Yeah, that would be the closest thing. Right now its letting me save the same 2 posts (or two youtube videos for example) within my Mongodb array. I've tried to look around, and it seems like it might not natively let you have unique indexes in the array.
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>tfw you spend 2 hours refactoring some ugly code into something clean and well organized but then it doesn't fucking work for some reason.
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>>56398389
It's pretty neat. You can stretch and rotate stuff. What do you want to know about it?
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I want to make a div behave like a link.

Found this 5 year old answer:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/796087/make-a-div-into-a-link/3494108#3494108

Is this still the way to go, or is there a more elegant way that I haven't found?
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What am I doing wrong? when I import my components shit breaks.

import React from 'react';
import { render } from 'react-dom';

import {Header} from './components/Header';
import {Home} from './components/Home';

class App extends React.Component {
render() {
return (
<div className="container">
<div className="row">
<div className="col-xs-10 col-xs-offset-1">
<Header/>
</div>
</div>
<div className="row">
<div className="col-xs-10 col-xs-offset-1">
<Home/>
</div>
</div>
</div>
);
}
}

render(<App/>, window.document.getElementById('app'));


As soon as I remove this it starts working again.
import {Header} from './components/Header';
import {Home} from './components/Home';
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>>56393191
Why use a framework for a portfolio site?
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>>56400281
<a href="someshit"><div id="someshit">someshit</div></a>
>>
test
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>>56401340
That royally fucks with the styling, but I suppose I can just create a class for it.
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>>56401099
Because he's dumb and can not take one step without left-pad holding his hand. Welcome to the modern webdev generation.
>>56396254
For loop over .querySelectorAll(".myInput")
>>56397372
Use async functions. Conditionals are a terrible pain with callbacks or promises.
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What's better?

firstname.one or firstname.cloud ?
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>>56401840
Firstname one.
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>>56401874
I was thinking the same thing. Mostly because email forms give you less of a headache with a three character tld than with a five character tld.
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>>56401895
Cloud simply doesn't make any sense for a portfolio site (it is a portfolio site, right?)
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>>56401911
Yes it is.
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>>56401646
Probably because you are nesting a block level element inside an inline element...
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>>56396586
>not programming in english
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r8 my entry-level gulpfile, /g/

https://paste2.org/64nb24nM
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web dev is for phags

learn c++
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>tfw have 4 letter .io domain and can't even code

what's a good idea for it senpai
i will learn how make it if it's a good idea
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>>56402324
modern C++ at it's current state is a clusterfuck, a simple web dev wouldn't comprehend it.
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>>56402317
>pure ES5
Why?
>>56402324
You can web dev in C++, retard.
>>
Why does flask seem to have so much more following than cherrypy when cherrypy is so clearly the superior choice?
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>>56402366
how could i improve it with ES6?

i'm a complete noob in ecmascript and can't even code a medium-sized webpage without jquery
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>>56402366

the point was to ditch web dev and get into real programming

btw this is you
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>>56402449
The point was that not all web dev is designer bullshit and left-pad.

Btw looks nothing like me.
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>>>/wg/6689350

This is probably a silly question, but I can't work out. It's about trying to animate a background-image in CSS. Can't figure out the trick needed. Thanks in advance.
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>>56402499
What is the background image?
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>>56402416
In your case it would only make the code more readable. Read up on const, let, template strings and arrow functions. Also, don't fucking assign anonymous functions to variables, when they can just be named function declarations.
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>>56402499
a {
position: relative;
padding: 0.2em 1em;
color: #000;
text-decoration: none;
}

a:before {
content: "";
background-image: url('https://placekitten.com/200/70');
position: absolute;
left: 0;
right: 0;
top: 0;
bottom: 0;
z-index: -1;
opacity: 0;
transition: opacity 500ms;
}

a:hover:before {
opacity: 1;
}

https://codepen.io/anon/pen/VKwRXG
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>>56391280
I'm writing an internal website for people to manage SQL tables.

Am I going to get bullied here if I said that it's on Flask+SQLAlchemy?
>>
>Materialize
tbqh I like this a lot more than bootstrap. I would really like to swap it out, but I spaghetti'd so much that it would be a real pain
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>>56402526
Scaled down the background image, then cropped it into the size of the hover area.

>>56402581
Excellent, thanks! I had read something about using :before and :after, but couldn't get it to work in practise.
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>>56400678
Should be:
import React, { Component } from 'react';
import ReactDOM from 'react-dom';

import Header from './components/Header';
import Home from './components/Home';

class App extends Component {
render() {
return(
// markup goes here.
);
}
}

ReactDOM.render(<App />, document.body);

I think the problem is that the render() function is declared twice between 'react' and 'react-dom'.
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>>56403196
Wait, sorry, render() wasn't declared twice because both declarations are in separate classes. I think you were just importing Header and Home the wrong way.
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>>56400678
Do you have an error you can show us? I don't know how your home or header components/files look like, but one/both of them is obviously why it breaks.
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>>56403226
Hold on, I just tried out both your code and mine, and both of them compile just fine. No idea why it's breaking for you, maybe you have an incompatible version of 'react' or 'react-dom'?
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>>56402589
>Am I going to get bullied here if I said that it's on Flask+SQLAlchemy?
Yes, because no matter what you use, it's the wrong thing.
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>>56395644
use display:block, a fixed width, and margin: 0px auto;
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How would I go about building my own Web framework for practice?
Which basic things should I attempt to implement?

Also, in what way should I implement user authentication?
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>>56402317
What does this script do?
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>>56405118
Start with routing and getting the basics down.

>Also, in what way should I implement user authentication?
A secure way, read up on it.
>>
>>56405192
Can you at least give me a hint of what I should be looking into?
I found a bunch of contradicting articles, not so sure on which one I should trust.
>>
>trying to make a single page node/angular site which takes image urls from a database and displays them with infinite scroll.
>look up how to do this
>php

What the hell?! Does nodejs not have a dbconnector and ajax equivalent?
Might just do it all in php if I need to use it anyways.
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>>56402589
That sounds fine.
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>>56405787
Yes, PHP is the ONLY language that can connect to a database and receive AJAX requests.

This is common knowledge.
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>>56405787
It's combo of three very simple concepts - scroll event, AJAX and API. Do you really need to be spoonfeed about how to connect them?
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>>56405862
>Yes, PHP is the ONLY language that can connect to a database and receive AJAX requests.
>This is common knowledge.
Kek Ok I see node-mysql now.
For some reason my first several searches turned up nothing but people combing node and php.
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>>56405118
>Which basic things should I attempt to implement?

If I were doing it, I'd try to copy Express.

Core functionality:
- URL parsing
- routing
- middleware hooks

Then, as middlewares, implement whatever other features you want:
- body parsing
- cookie parsing
- sessions
- etc

>Also, in what way should I implement user authentication?

If you're asking this, you probably aren't ready to handle making your own web framework from scratch. Learn how to do it using an existing framework before you try to make your own.

In general, a simplified version of the way password-based authentication works is this:

- When a user creates an account, they supply a unique identifier (email, username, etc) and a password.

- The server salts and hashes the password (google it) and creates a database record for the user containing the unique identifier and password hash. (Its very important to never store unhashed passwords anywhere.)

- Later, when the user wants to log in, they supply the identifier and password. The server looks up the record using the identifier and hashes the supplied password. The hashed supplied password is then compared to the hash on file, and if they match, the user is allowed to log in.

- Your users probably don't want to have to log in every time they make a request, so you need to store the user's state somewhere. That's a little bit complicated, since http on its own is stateless (also, statefulness isn't RESTful, if you care about that). You need to store that state in a session or as a JSON Web Token (google it)

Hope that helps.
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OH LOOK it's another SJWs destroy everything they touch episode.

Why can't I work in an industry that isn't full of numale cuckboys?
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>>56407661
What did 'ol Crockford do to piss them off?
>>
Read through the OP, couldn't find enough:
What should I do if I just want to make sites for people with my html/css/js knowledge to finance my neet lifestyle?
>>
If MongoDB is shit, what db should I use with nodejs?
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>>56408990
what's your data model look like and what database features do you need?
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>>56396586
you could have a UTF8 BOM character hidden in your code. (copy and paste your code to a editor with the charset set to UTF8 no bom)
also, header should be the first thing the php send. befor html, meta, body tags...
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>>56409003
I'm just making a link shortener
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>>56408915
good question i was wondering the same thing! i now need a website portfolio like really really quick

>uncle calls me last night
>"hey anon you fix computers right?".
>y-y-yes!
>says you're hired!
>says i started a consulting business and you're in charge of building the websites for all my clients.
>Shit i haven't made websites since lolflash
>i just wanted to be neet and do surveys for 5 dollar amazon cards all day

halp /wdg/! what would you do? id like to put to put some thing together in 2 weeks, where do i start?
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>>56391678
woah dude i went to wctc for the web and digital media design

My first job got me doing all backend. everyone else i graduated with is doing wordpress kill yourself jobs.

Take the software development one.
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>>56392030
this is a lie, they help you get an internship, and if you make nice projects along the way youll get a job like any CS major would.
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>>56408374
He describes web security as being bad by saying that the web is 'promiscuous', which is slut shaming.

Also he calls people stupid sometimes.
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>>56403287
I solved it already, I mistyped a word from my Header component. My fucking ide doesn't have autocomplete for react and jsx shit. I think Visual Studio does, might check it out.
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>>56409166
What the fuck is wrong with these people. Are they really adults?
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>>56409225
Yes, and they organise conferences.
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>>56408915
you should start a thread about that. not much help in here just gossip
>>
Can I use react as my sort of view engine and to get parameters from the server?
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http://codepen.io/anon/pen/KgwPpB

How do I anti-alias this, or minimize the flickering? Is it unavoidable?
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http://semantic-ui.com/

should I use this or is there anything better??

>inb4 bootstrap
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>>56410185
also >inb4 foundation
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>>56410185
>having stupid animations that just waste time and make people pull their hair out
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>>56410206
you could remove them if they annoy you that much.

but seriously, anyone used semantic UI?? up to now i used bootstrap, but am jealous of semantic elements and components.

should I give it a try?
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>>56409110
Use literally anything,
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>>56408990
>>56409110
Literally any db besides mongo. If you want a NoSQL db, couchDB is a good choice. If you prefer SQL (and you should, generally), Postgres is good. Maria is another option.

Personally, I prefer not to run databases on my host machine, so I'll either spin up a docker container with whatever db I want to use, or just use sqlite. Note: sqlite is generally no good for production environments. It's not a real db, just a file pretending to be one, so sharding and multiple concurrent users are not possible. It doesn't eat your RAM though.
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>>56409664
>Can I use react as my sort of view engine
That's pretty much what React is for.

>to get parameters from the server?
You mean just get some data from the server? You can do that with AJAX.

>>56410251
It's basically just bootstrap with slightly different classes and conventions. It's ok I guess, but it's probably not going to revolutionize the way you do things.
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>>56410600
>it's probably not going to revolutionize the way you do things.

well, I find myself wasting lots of time copying its components in other frameworks (for example the dimmer and loader)..

I might as well use the whole framework and ditch bootstrap. But ffs I struggle to find a good tutorial on it (how to set it up and how to override its components)
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>>56396586
what in the holy name... is that what php looks like? holy shit.
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>Personally, I prefer not to run databases on my host machine.
Damn enjoy your 10 users only websites.
Not using AWS today is just ridiculous, you can't get a profit without it.
Yes we all know Amazon is so awful and it injects undetectable spyware codes through all your projects but hey this is how internet works today.
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>>56410761
What? I'm talking about devving on my PC, you idiot. Obviously I use databases in production.
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>>56410761
>prefer not to run databases on my host machine
!=
>prefer not to run databases
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>>56396586
try putting the php code after html
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When should I use a html form vs javascript with ajax requests? Is there an advantage with one of them?
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>>56412733
Ajax when you don't want reloads, otherwise it doesn't matter.
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>>56412758
ok thx anon
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>>56401666
>For loop over .querySelectorAll(".myInput")

Thanks, got it. Weird how JS doesn't have a more straightforward foreach loop structure.
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>>56413234
arr.forEach(function(item) { });

Isn't straightforward?
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Can somebody name the skills I'd been to learn to create a sports betting website and app?
My deadline is 4 years.
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>>56413638
>My deadline is 4 years

In 4 years you could basically learn every language and framework that has ever existed.

Your idea isn't very unique, are you trying to appeal to a special niche of sports betting? If yes, will that niche still be a thing in 4 years? Do you think anyone else will bet you to the punch?

If I were you I'd be aiming a lot closer to 4 months instead of 4 years,
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>>56413638
>Can somebody name the skills I'd been to learn to create a sports betting website and app?
I do this at my job.

Some kind of server-side web programming shit. We use Node.js and PHP in some parts.
Databases, probably cache stuff too. We use CouchDB and Redis. I wouldn't recommend NoSQL if your data is relational, we mostly store transaction data which so map/reduce works well for us.
Webserver stuff like NGINX and server configuration

Probably have to interface with a bunch of gambling APIs. At work we use Amtote and UnitedTote betting hubs. Good luck getting access to those

Might need some kind of payment processor, but Stripe won't touch you if you do gamblng so good luck with that.

Forget about apps too because Android play store don't allow gambling apps.

You might even need some kind of license depending on where you live.

I dunno what you have in mind, but you'll run into a lot less hassle if you pick another sector to operate in. Gambling is a pain in the ass.
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What's the difference between using a loop on list elements as opposed to using event delegation on the parent element and just target the list triggered? Seems like the event delegation option gets rid of unnecessary looping and making every item have a function that does the same thing.
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>>56396586
So the thing about session_start() is that you have to evoke it first thing in the particular php file else its gonna break the fuck out of your code.
Also, check if the encoding is right, by right I mean (UTF-8)
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Will I make money on a porn site (which only links/embeds content)?
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>>56414713
Porn sites are the easiest to get visitors for.
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what i learned ITT: porn sites and gambling sites

all other questions ignored
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Where is WCTC guy damnit, I live like right by it.
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Anyone know how I can get around my web host's modSecurity rules? I'm on a shared server so theres not a lot of room to move.

I've tried disabling it in my .htaccess file but no luck.

Is my only option finding a dedicated server? Is there a cheap one any other Aus people use?
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What CMS do you guys suggest for very basic websites with a horizontal structure?
All that is needed is the ability to add new pages, and for these pages to be embeded on the homepage and/or on other pages.

WordPress seems to be way too heavy for something simple like that.
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How is the job market for a self-taught web dev/programmer these days? Is it becoming over-saturated?
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>>56417332
Yes, somewhat. There are millions of educated Pajeets with a diploma who are more likely to get hired than those who are self-educated.

Don't self-teach, get a diploma in something you love and that won't get outsourced that fast. Sysadmin jobs won't get outsourced, as people don't trust Pajeets who live overseas to handle their critical network architecture. This is why they would look for locals to sign a work contract with them.
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>>56417332


It's incredibly oversaturated. For a value of "developer" that roughly equates to "installs Wordpress and plugins".

We interviewed for a python develop position recently and nearly every applicant had never written a line of code, and basically "whatever that Python is, I'm sure I can find a plugin to do it".
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>>56416379

Who cares what country they are in? So few servers are actually in Australia, local websites would be extreme outliers for your average local customer.

I use AWS - and I could easily use a Sydney host. I choose to put them in North America because it's cheaper.

If you really care for some reason, choose AWS Sydney, it shouldn't be a big deal.
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>>56417611
So what is considered over saturated? I thought bootcamps were churning out PLENTY of Python and Ruby Developers
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>>56396586

you need to send headers before that body tag at the top. in fact headers must be sent before all html even the page head.
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>>56417267
Static site generator?
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>>56418630
Yeah, something like that
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Laravel 5 - how the fuck do I store multiple upload file paths in database?
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>>56418679
Try Hugo.
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I have a question about doing Web Dev professionally.

So say you become a web dev and do it for like, 10 years.

What then? How do you move upwards? Does the money just top out after a while, or do experienced Web Devs move into other areas after a certain amount of time?
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>>56419539
Working for a boss means you will always get peanuts.
If you want to make real money you should work for yourself - with all the risks involved.
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>>56404985
Width doesnt have to be fixed, it just has to be less than 100%
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Eye-axe or Ay-jax?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11151677
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>>56419955
how about you go fuck urself
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>>56392030
I'm doing an open uni course on Software engi mostly so I can get a degree under my belt. Do you think I fucked up anon?
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>>56419955
>Giving a shit about how others pronounce something
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I imagine a lot of /g/ users are heavily bearded 35 year olds glued to the computer since BBS days.

So any of you have premium domains for sale? Budget up to 10k.
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>>56419955
pretty sure its ah-jaz
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is there and editor or app that lets me generate a piece of code with different classes? Its just getting tedious copy pasting all the time
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>>56420382
have a domain with trump in it are you interested
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React seems like a complete mess.
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>learning express
>too stupid to set favicon

what is wrong
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>>56420937
put favicon.ico on static folder
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>>56420937
Express is so shit, except students nobody uses this atrocity!
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>>56421078
learning webdev for fun, what else do you recommend ?
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>>56420937
change name from smile to favicon
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>>56421161
did, doesnt help
>>56420968
what do you mean ?
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>>56421557
clear cache
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>>56421078
>Node.js is shit, except students nobody uses this atrocity!
FTFY
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>>56420792
Nah premiums only.
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>>56421886
it has TRUMP in it pretty sure its a premium
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Building a website for a friend who is a fashion designer. I basically need to find a way to allow her to upload a ton of images of her designs, but where do I store them?

Should I just store them in a directory on the site or should I get a CDN? I don't expect her site to get too much traffic right now so storing them on the server might be okay, but if yes to using a CDN, what is the best free one to use?
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>>56421965
Wordpress with a good theme (0 to 60 bucks) + cloudflare free (automatically caches images, etc).
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Would it be possible to search the 4plebs/FoolFuuka archives using more in depth search criteria?

For example I'd like to search for posts within threads that have a certain subject
I can search for those posts or I can search for threads with that subject, but I can't make the two intersect.
Anyone got any knowledge about this?
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>ends up in a webpage in the support subdomain of a website from google search
>top logo is hyperlink and clearly states "name of website.com"
>click on it
>takes me to the hope of the support subdomain
>i have to type the main domain into the address bar manually like a caveman

jfc web designers get it together
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What's the verdict on flask?

t.
a simple guy who can write some Python scripts
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>>56422829
Good for building quickly
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What's /wdg/'s opinion on Jekyll?
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>>56423051
sucks
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>>56421999
Okay, WP it is then. I don't have time to build an admin panel anyway.
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>>56423149
Why? Any better alternatives?
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Is phpBB still the best forum software?
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>>56422829
not this guy, but what is the best way to give my python scripts/tools a web based UI?

i.e. python back end, html/css front end.

These are simple tools, but something I'd like to be able to do in future for more complex stuff.


t. guy who somehow managed to cobble together a FEMP server with Wordpress for his simple portfolio website
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>>56423051
feels
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I used to work at a startup using rails, and now I made my own thing with Meteor. I'm addicted to packages and "magic" - where does the real web development work lie for someone like me, when all of the seemingly important/common problems are already solved by organizations with more money and firepower?
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>>56423528
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>>56423528
>>56423551
the only correct image to this post desu senpai
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>>56421078
Express is the best framework for Node though.
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I'm applying for a junior DBA position.

What can I realistically add to my resume with good knowledge of mySQL? SQLite, Oracle, maybe mongo?

Stuff I can understand just by knowing a bit of SQL?
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>>56423528
You sound like you're destined for Wordpress, Pajeet.
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>>56423633
Nah!
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>>56423640
Just fuck around with different database systems over the weekend and then add them to your resume.

Mongo doesn't use SQL, its noSQL, it also doesn't save your data and is basically a meme. If you want decent noSQL databases to play around with try CouchDB and RethinkDB. Key/value stores like Redis are also good.
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This is a noob question, but is there any solid alternative to PHP for server-side scripting?

I'm doing a project and I'm gonna use Postgres for my database and Node for my server.
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>>56423674
>but is there any solid alternative to PHP for server-side scripting?

Virtually any programming language in existence that has a HTTP library.

Pick one.
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>>56423674
>i'm going to use Node
>is there any solid alternative to PHP?

wat?
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>>56423660
Most of the nosql jobs here are for maria or mongo. I will do mongo and couch after learning Oracle because it's a SQL job.

I did see a 65 USD an hour noSQL job a few weeks ago though.
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>>56423674
>is there any solid alternative to PHP for server-side scripting?
I'd reccomend >Node
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This is a interactive graph component from the github site
Does anyone have an idea how I could implement something like that myself?
Where would I start?
What do I have to look into?
I looked into the source and expected <canvas> with javascript
But it's a <svg> element. I'm not sure about the interactive part.
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>>56423738
Apparently maria is sql. Neato.
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>>56423980
try d3 library I think they have charts as svg
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>>56423980
Chart.js maybe? Just did this this morning with it. Pretty easy to use actually
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>>56424076
>>56424118
I was more interested in creating a custom interactive component
It doesn't have to be a graph component.
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>>56424118
it's a bit shit desu but it'll work for basic things
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>>56424136
yeah, didn't look much into it, I just needed it for a basic thing.
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Do map, reduce and all those meme methods use recursion?
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>>56424162
>Walk into /wdg/
>The first thing I see is someone calling map and fold a meme

LOL holy shit this is even worse than I imagined, I'm going back to /dpt/
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>>56424245
>I'm going back to /dpt/
Enjoy your fizzbuzz.
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>>56424245
Where's the FizzBuzz, Ajeet?
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>>56401646
There are just two kind of elements:

block elements (<div> is the generic block element)

inline elements (<span> is the generic inline element)

if you want to change the behavior of an element, you can use the CSS display: inline, or display: block

<div style="display: inline">This div behaves like an inline element instead a block element</div>
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>>56424387
check the logs ya dingus
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why is this not working anons?
$ascii = shell_exec("jp2a image.jpg");
echo $ascii;
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>>56424404
>>56424407
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>>56424387
because safe mode?
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>>56424417
No errors in logs
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>>56424430
and jp2a outputs to stdout?
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C# is the best server side programming language there is. This is a fact.
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>>56424549
That is an odd way way to spell Go. Granted for hard realtime things you have little choice other than C++.
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>>56424535
Nothing happens, not working, no errors.

Program need to get images links from database, after that it need create ASCII from every image and write it in database. But shit aint working. Page loads for 2 minutes and nothing
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Not exactly web development, but
What is a decent alternative to Wordpress for blogs? Nothing special but must look decent out of the box. Python or Java preferred.
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>>56424607
well jp2a creates giant strings IIRC, maybe it just takes time
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I got a junior position interview coming up in a week. Looks like the position uses a lot of WordPress, which I think is common I don't really care because I just need experience.

For a junior/entry level position with WordPress what kind of things would I need to know? I know the interface already and I can make a site on there. I never really fucked with the php for it too much though, how deep does php go for WordPress?

What kinds of things should I be studying for? Obviously you don't know what the job wants but for an entry level position in general what kinds of things should I know?

Thanks in advanced.
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>>56426148
Check out the source of some of the leaner themes and you see how it works.

At a minimum learn what the popular plugins do (Yoast SEO, total cache, ...) and why they're so good. No need to reinvent the wheel.
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I have a small api proxy engine/management system I'm building.
I need a small description language built for the engine for configuration of data passing.

I've done this a few times but don't know how to best go about it for this.

The server is prototyped in NodeJS for the time being. Is it possible to integrate a small contextual language written with Flex/Bison in Node or am I better off just sticking with yet another node package.
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>>56426224
So you think this is probably going to be some very basic WordPress shit?

Just stick to the solid basics then?
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>>56426148
Lucky.

I am on 4 recruiter websites and they never even respond to me.
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>>56426366
Well I don't have the job yet anon, I can still spaghetti this.

First things first when dealing with recruiters, is your resume shit? Lots of them won't fucking touch you if you're not marketable. Do you have a portfolio? They can't take your word for it that you're good. If you have those two things make sure you are contacting the right recruiters, some of them specialize in helpdesk and what not and they simply don't have web clients.

Consider hitting them up on LinkedIn, those jackals will send invites to anyone that view their profiles, just reach out to one on there.

Good luck brother.
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If I teach myself rails or django, how realistic is it that I could find freelance work for $20/hr in 4 months?
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>>56424050
>nosql = not only sql
It's not because you can use sql with it that it's only sql based!
Seriously it's bullshit, nosql is not a good term to define db engines.
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>>56424549
Maybe but it's slow and only supported by microsoft that doesn't give a shit about it anymore. But its community of eternal fags is still very big, it will probably die in 10-15 years with all its fags.
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If I have a setInterval that calls a function, will the interval reset before the called function finishes?
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>>56426670
Web development goes hardly over $10/h, that's even more the case today with China and India concurrencies. Rails jobs are very rare now but python job demands increased a lot this year so you should learn django. You could get this rate if you learn more complex things like react with redux paradigms but again, don't expect too much.
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Hey guys serious question
where do I learn how to < React />?
Been developing on Angular1 for a while using Gulp + Bower and the Webpack ecosystem makes me wanna cry everytime I try to learn it or whatever.
(Even tho this post is shit I'm really looking forward for good react begginner resources)
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>>56427660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPT3bFIwJYA&index=1&list=PL55RiY5tL51oyA8euSROLjMFZbXaV7skS
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so fucking telling that he got 0 replies. good ol' helpful /g/
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>>56427792
Link it faggot and go back to your hugbox.
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>>56427792
He's baiting. Express is pretty much the only decent server side framework for node.
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>>56427394
yes
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React pats itself in the back for having a virtual DOM and re-rendering only necessary components when there's a state change but can't you do that already even without actively trying?

Like a button that changes some div's background color, even without React I don't see the hole page being repainted, just the div.
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>>56427792
0 replies because he can READ THE FUCKING OP
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Lately I've been creating some simple RESTful web-services with Node.js, but I'm coming from making them with Jersey on Java for a couple years.

While I find it makes my life easier in some aspects, it also creates many problems that I didn't have with Java.

- My code is a mess of callbacks and async calls. This makes it both more prone to errors and harder to debug. In Java everything was linear and easier to read. Also explicitly launching new threads made controlling the concurrency chaos a bit less chaotic. I know Node.js works with a single thread and just resolves most shit asynchronously.

- Due to its single-threaded nature, Node.js just fucking kills itself whenever an uncaught exception ocurrs. I don't find it acceptable no matter how fast I can develop on it. I can't have peace of mind knowing that a single mistake in my code just takes down the server entirely.

My question is where I could get some middle-ground. I'd like something more "agile" than Java, but that's not as extravagant as having JS's wacky behaviour on my server.

What do you guys use?
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>>56428347
C++ or Golang, maybe C#.
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>>56428347
Golang. It fits the middle ground between the ease of dynamic languages and the speed and robustness of compiled languages quite well.
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>>56428617
>>56428373

Golang is slow as hell. Fuck off with that meme language already fucking shills.
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>>56428631
>slow as hell
Compared to what?
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>tfw angular 2 will never get out of beta, and I have to deal with angular 1 at work
Just kill me lads
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>>56428631
>Golang is slow as hell
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>>56428723
Angular 1 is alright, and that's coming from someone who fucking despises frameworks of all kinds.
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>>56428723
Angular 2 is pretty much production ready already.
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>>56428826
Assembly :^)
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>>56428846
Yeah it's alright, but angular 2 is 10x better. Front-end will be a lot more fun once it's out
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>>56427366
Slow? Not supported? Dude... Old .NET could compete with node in RPS and core will easily defeat it. Also core is now opensource and multiplatform. Also C# 5 is in work. Finally C# is simply great language.
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Why do you guys never post your portfolios/personal websites?

I mean, I know this is 4chan and all, but what's the worst that could happen?
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>>56420888

Just like Angular, and Mongo DB. But what cha' gonna do?
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>>56428973
It happens on occasion. I've seen 4 portfolios, 5 githubs, and about a dozen personal pages since I've been here
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>>56428943
Multiplatform, yes, but it's a pain to use it outside windows and damn who is still using windows in real life?
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>>56429075
>who is still using windows in real life?
Everyone who doesn't reside in San Fransisco or is part of a meme startup?
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>>56429116
On servers, faglet.
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>>56429116
Londoner here.

We had to use Macs or Linux for both of my programming jobs, neither of which were startups
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Can't motivate myself to do anything worthwhile. Started making a Quizlet clone but got discouraged when I reached halfway through.

I can do the really simple things well. I'm good with AJAX and basic front end JS shit. But I've yet to find something to create that I like. I can make mobile apps with HTML/CSS/JS, but I don't know what to do.

I feel like I've wasted the past 3 months because I have nothing to show for it besides 4 unfinished projects.
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>>56429116
Confirming work also gives us Macbooks because lmao who the fuck develops without a Unix terminal?
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>>56429196
Stop being a perfectionist, finish your projects.
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>>56423660
My mongodb always saves my data and I always get my poo in the loo 100% accuracy.
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>>56429237
I'm sure the web development world will be happy to know that the data in your MEAN stack "Hello World" tutorial project is safe.
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>>56429014
Interesting. Would you like to post yours? I'd love to see some from other posters as well.
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>>56429116
Even Microsoft included Bash shell inside its products.
Furthermore it seems that Windows will become a game OS only first and with Xbox support first.
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>>56429235
For me it's like writing an essay. You've finished the first of many paragraphs, you sit back and re-read what you've written so far but you realize it's shit, so you rip the page out and start again with a different idea. There's no going back now.
Story of my life.
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>>56429373
So you fail at essay writing too?

famalam..
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>>56429373
Yeah that's just you being a perfectionist. Stop it.
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>>56429075
It may be better on Windows but both hosting and developing are not much more difficult on Linux than for other languages.
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>>56429373
It's more like sculpting several clay models and then trying to place them together in a diorama.
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Question-

If I create an application that can push data to Salesforce, can it work with Salesforce Marketing Cloud to create leads?

I dont know a thing about their Marketing Cloud product.
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>>56414029

You can do apps, just because Android Play Store don't allow gambling apps, doesn't mean you can't host it on your site like every online gambling companies.
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So it seems this Salesforce Marketing Cloud shit used to be ExactTarget and it does in fact have a different API.

FUEL REST API.

I hate all this marketing shit.
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So single page applications are basically webpages that get most info from the server at the start and then the client handles the rest? Like as soon as you visit the /home of a single page app you might also get code from /about or /contact?
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>>56431191
There are any number of ways to do it. Generally information like that wouldn't be pre-loaded but you could if you wanted.
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>>56423642
That's the fate I desperately want to avoid. Wat do/wat learn?
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>>56431324
Node, Go, Java, .NET, or leave Webdev altogether. Avoid PHP at all costs if you don't want to get stuck in an office full of pajeets modifying wordpress templates.
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Realistically how long does it take to get to a level where you can enter an entry-level position?

I'm 22, my life is a mess and I'm wasting away whilst spending my days playing World of Warcraft. I've just started the standard stuff on w3schools and it's kinda fun.

I'm hoping that I can turn my life around, but I'm not too sure how long it will take.
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>>56431346
.NET, really? Has it changed much in the last 5-10 years (I first learned to code on c#.net about that long ago)? And I'm literally using Node right now. I tend to think it's not so much a language stack as it is something else, projects/work with a certain gravitas or amount of complex moving parts. But you're right, there's no way in fuck that I'm going to start using php
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>>56431391
If you focus, a month or two on codecademy finding out the basics and what you like, and then going through an intro book on the technology of your choice along with a sample project or two that you can throw on github.

I got a super cushy SF startup job using Rails, even though I'd never touched rails before.
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>>56431391
See OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBzRwzY7G-k

2 wks with HTML/CSS
2 months with JavaScript and basic programming concepts
1 month with Express and Mongo
1 wk with Angular

2 wks wrapping your head around everything while putting it all together as you build your first MEAN app. Many will tell you that Mongo is garbage, but for the most part it isn't, there are lots of tutorials for these technologies out there too, but you can replace Mongo with Couch to avoid autistic meltdowns on /wdg/ when asking questions related to it.

Once you have a basic idea of how dynamic webapps work.Move on to Java, Phyton, C# or Go and SQL databases. And learn about object oriented programming and the model-view-controller design pattern, these are just paradigms to make your code cleaner. Add another month or two depending on how well you grasped the concept of programing languages from JavaScript. All in all you could be looking for a job in 6 months with 2 or 3 projects in your folio.
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>>56431525
.NET and Java are sought after mostly by big, stable, serious companies. You'll usually be around a hundred other devs building enterprise level applications. The pay is great but the job is kind of soulless.
>>
PHP is a pretty good language, why does it get so much hate?
>>
anyone do any real work with Angular2/NG2 yet? I'm about to get my project green-lit at work and i'm aiming for using NG2.
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>>56431703
Pajeet dominated language. You'll be competing against tens of thousands of human cockroaches with spaghetti code but cheap services.
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>>56431727
ng2 isnt done mate, it still gets breaking updates even though it should be in release candidate status, it's a fucking mess desu
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>>56431738
>human cockroaches

Too far.
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Anyone please help me I feel like I'm gonna be stuck on this one for a long time.

I'm just a beginner, but I need to do some project with very vague instructions and I haven't done any of this before.

I have a spring MVC server side thing done, now I was given this folder and I need to connect that to angular JS client side application but I have no idea how to actually connect the two, or how to even run this angular app.
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>>56432505
I assume all you need to do to run it is to open index.html.

To connect it, pass JSON data from your Spring backend to the Angular app.

I could be wrong though, just throwing shit out there.
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>>56432505
look in your package.json for a group called "scripts" (probably has start, test, etc)

those are the commands you can run on the project ('npm run start' to start a server, 'npm run build', etc)

that should help you
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>>56432773
>>56432672

Wow thanks a lot looks like I got somewhere. Those commands were in the gulp file
>>
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<?php
$ayy = "ayy lmao";
echo "<input type='text' name='ayy' class='lmao' placeholder='ayy lmao' value=".$ayy." required>"
?>


But value is not ayy lmao, just ayy, like pic, why?
how to fix?
>>
>>56431628
Are there still jobs out there with all the bootcamp grads? Should I even BOTHER?
>>
>>56433009
I don't really know PHP, but you shouldn't fuck with your brackets.

<?php $ayy = "aayy lmao"; ?>
<input type='text' name='ayy' class='lmao' placeholder='ayy lmao' value="<?php echo $ayy ?>" required>


<?php
$ayy = 'ayy lmao';
echo "<input type='text' name='ayy' class='lmao' placeholder='ayy lmao' value='$ayy' required>"
?>
>>
>>56433255
What are you smoking dude?
>>
>>56433288
I meant quotes. He only had to change value=".$ayy." into value='.$ayy.'
>>
I ran into an issue out of nowhere.

fundev.tv/timer/

After clicking the generate link button, it unhides the div correctly, then reloads the page and it's not supposed to.

Anyone have any idea? I've been comparing code from a prior version and can't figure it out.
>>
>>56434175
Figured it out. Didn't have the form to return false;
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