SystemD General: For old time sake!

>>56390106
I prefer systemd

>>56390106
It's just a vocal minority hippies that can't stand systemd because it won't work in their shitty BSD toys

>>56390106
i prefer human readable shell scripts in /etc/rc.d as in slackware or the old school debian in /etc/init.d with symlinks in the runlevel directories /etc/rcS.d /etc/rc0.d /etc/rc1.d /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d /etc/rc5.d /etc/rc6.d for customized run level configurations

I'm on my phone so I don't have my massive copypasta of all the reasons why systemd is a problem. It generally breaks more often, and when it does all your logs get raped. The devs close bug reports if they only affect shit for server use because all they care about is desktops. The doomsday scenarios did happen because we said they were lying when they said they wouldn't consume udev, and they were. I really want my copypasta.

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>>56390106
Hi ((Lennart)).

We know it's you this time.

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>>56390220

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I don't like systemd as much as I like OpenRC, but I've been using systemd for several months now. I figure it's important that I learn it.

http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

Reminder to sage, hide and report shill threads.

Anti-systemd threads/posts are PAID MICROSOFT SHILL POSTS.

Ignore them, report them, contact 4chan admins and tell them Microsoft is fucking over /g/ and something has to be done.

>>56390413
Microsoft likes systemd because it's killing Linux. Why would they shill against it? Why are you samefagging your own thread, Lennart?

>>56390413

Because Microsoft hates systemd, right?

Nice try, Pajeet.

Sage, hide and report.

>>56390431
Nice try, Microsoft. Now get the fuck out of /g/, your postings are against the rules.

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"I don't personally mind systemd, and in fact my main desktop and laptop both run it."
- Linus Torvalds, ITWire Interview.

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>>56390413
>>56390450

>>56390464
Bye, Microsoft, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of /g/.

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>>56390450
pls lennart

>>56390462

Theodore Ts'o is much smarter than Torvalds and he fucking hates systemd.

>install gentoo
>Compile with systemd
People get pissed off

>>56390470

So no?

>>56390462
I like systemd. I even use it to read my e-mail!

>created by a whiny faggot who complains that "the Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s"

No, thanks!

http://rbt.asia/g/thread/S56388945

>if you don't like systemd then you're a retard
Funny how that's the only argument you people can come up with. Why are you guys so eager to replace the entirety of the Gnu coreutils with an init system?

>>56390525
>coreutils
>not reading the chans with systemd as browser

>>56390558

>not running systemd/Linux
>not using the systemd SDK to develop software
>not using the systemd Office suite
>not storing your data on systemdSQL
>not listening to music on systemdTunes
>not making phone calls with systemdPBX
>not protecting your network with systemdFW
>not replacing glibc with systemdlibc
>not writing drivers with systemd

Shiggy

>>56390604
>not storing your data in systemdFS encoded in SDSCII
>not using systemd hardware
>not using a systemd table and chair
>not living in the republic of systemd

pleb

>>56390377
The article is written that those were sudden decisions while all those agree with what was proposed on the original announcement at
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
yet distros decided to adopt it.
All other init systems are outdated and until something better comes systemd will be the primary one.

>>56390658
>All other init systems are outdated and until something better comes systemd will be the primary one.
What if "outdated" (older) options better than systemd already exist?

>>56390658
By that logic, I will roll own my own shitty overextended init and call everybody else's "outdated" and "unworthy"

>>56390477
>much smarter
>hates software tho
sure sounds """smart"""

>>56390658

>mainstream distros decide what's best
I guess that's why we still use glibc and ALSA...

>namecalling
That ought to show them!

>>56390673
they don't
>>56390690
no, you won't, because you're incapable

>>56390694

>Ts'o isn't smart because he hates systemd
>and this isn't circular logic at all
You sure sound extremely smart.

Read the guy's resumé: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Ts%27o

>>56390701
>I guess that's why
of course; but no need to guess, you can try using logic and reason too, if you're not retarded

>>56390717
Nice ad-hominem Lennart, still haven't addressed either issue.

>>56390734
>hating software is perfectly reasonable
sounds like you're literally retarded

Those who are against SystemD obviously don't have a career in supporting enterprise Linux environments.

It may not be useful on your $3k rig with a loli wallpaper but I need that shit in my career.

>>56390673
But they are not so this hypothesis is irrelevant.
>>56390690
Do it. Write your points and if they rational and the code you provide seems fine maybe becomes the new mainstream init system. Reminder that /g/ will shit on it though.
>>56390701
>glibc
Mind showing anything better?
>ALSA
Most use Pulseaudio to keep in check the sound hell of using audio on Linux.
>>namecalling
What?

>>56390755
the issue seems to be your mental illness, you need to see a doctor to address it

>no mention of the only good init system, runit
If you had shilled this it would've replaced sysv instead of systemd by now

>>56390814
>no cgroups
>no dependency menegement
>good tho

>>56390778
most pulse servers still use alsa for drivers.
But the API seen by applications (and user tools) are pulse.

>>56390920
>most
all

>>56390734
>Read the guy's resumé: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Ts%27o
>shit compared to torvalds
>but smarter tho
were you dropped?

>>56390831
cgroups can be accessed through systemd
not sure what you mean with dependency management
>>56390920
That is what I meant.
>>56390945
or OSS or JACK

>>56390983
>cgroups can be accessed through systemd
>not sure what you mean with dependency management
are you literally retarded? did you see "runit" there?
>or OSS or JACK
jack drivers? in linux? how fucking mentally ill can you be?

>>56391024
>are you literally retarded?
yes--/g/ has called me retarded multiple times
I suppose they know being themselves
>did you see "runit" there?
no
>jack drivers? in linux?
he said that PA uses only ALSA--I said there are alternatives
whether is good or bad has nothing to do with it

What is SystemD?

>>56391117
>no
so you're literally retarded
>he said that PA uses only ALSA--I said there are alternatives
yes, PA uses only ALSA for drivers for the simple reason that drivers can only use the ALSA interface in linux; there are no alternatives, you idiot

>white bois mad big black system D getting all up in there where Lil white D can't reach

>>56390350
is that one of those demons from Doom?

>>56391676
Yes.

>>56390658
how about you go jump in a lake and take the slow boat to china,

Linux is about freedom, and that freedom includes telling systemD and that faggot pottering or whatever his name is to go to hell, we dont want his microsoft style init system

>>56391157
a gay init system that loads stuff during boot, some undercover twink from microsoft went to work for redhat and slipped it in and the zombies in the more corporate wannabe Linux community adopted it, but there are others in the Linux community that totally reject it and it has caused is causing a rift or a division in the linux community

Joke's on you guys, I've been using PCLinuxOS since I switched from Mandrake in 2008.

I have never even remotely considered switching distros again.

>>56390106
Fuck off, lennart. Gentoo master race. Try getting ME now, faggot!

>>56391157
Pure cancer in software and politics form.

>>56390220

>500 line shell scripts are more "human readable" than 20 line "ini" config files

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>>56392587
>what is /etc/defaults

>>56392101
Gentoo has better systemd support than any other distro.

>>56390106
My computer just woke up from a segfault induced by avahi. I hope you'll forgive me if I don't praise poettering's products which have caused me nothing but suffering.

>>56392735
>a single process crashing can bring down the whole system
When did Linux turn into literally Windows?

>>56392010
>Linux is about freedom
no, it isn't, retarded shit

>>56392735
>woke up from a segfault
mental illness everyone

>>56392838

You're right, Linux is about bloat. What was I thinking!

>>56392786
Most people won't even notice avahi segfaulting, it would immediately just restart.

>>56392897

Hide tripfags.

Ignore tripfags.

Do not reply to tripfags.

>>56392897
Mine crashed the xserver and prevented it from restarting. In fairness, the system was still responding at this point. Then avahi interrupted the shutdown so I had to do a hard reboot.

>>56393162
>Mine crashed the xserver
Avahi is a headless service and Xorg doesn't even interface with it. I don't believe you even know what was happening at that point.

>>56393215
Well thanks for the info Lennart. I'll be sure to remember it's not your fault the next time it happens.

>>56390106
pottering? sounds a lot like HITLER!

>>56393337
From what I can tell a service didn't shut down promptly and you saw a countdown.

If I'm wrong I apologize but it sounds like you saw a service not properly shutting down and then drew unrelated conclusions.

>>56393417
btw next time that happens you can force kill the process using magic sysrq keys.

While holding hold alt+prtsc press e, if that doesn't kill the service then hold alt+prtsc and press i.

e sends sigterm to all processes except 1 and i sends sigkill. Then systemd should continue and poweroff normally.

>>56393162
>crashed the xserver
literally shit for brain

Sure. A system developed by guys working for Redhat would never ever contain backdoors or privilege escalation "errors". Systemd was designed to be a simpler, faster boot system. Therefore it must be smaller, and not touch a large number of apis/boot services right? And surely they wouldn't attempt to make systemd a dependency for major packages to guarantee that most systems would be affected by their exploits? Right guys? Right? The NSA would totally bypass the opportunity such a large codebase to hide some malicious code in.

>>56395293
>http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd
The problem isn't systemd. The problem is the security model of linux... oh there is no such thing.

>>56395328

read that page

>Ctrl+Alt+Del 8 times to reboot

Wtf trying that now

>>56390774
Those who support systemd and claim to have a career supporting enterprise Linux environments:
A) Work for RedHat
B) Aren't actually sys admins
C) Don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Considering the company I'm a part of is a fortune 50 and my team (7FTE, 2 contractors) support about 3000 RHEL 6 (and a handful of RHEL 5) systems and the corporate policy makers and technical leadership are actively looking to avoid RHEL 7 because of systemd... Well, it sure seems like plenty of people with history actually support Linux (and Unix, since we support HP-UX, AIX, and Solaris env as well) don't much care for it.

RC scripts are readable and well documented. Plain text logging is partially recoverable if there's corruption. Centralized logging failing doesn't mean all logs are lost if the machine crashes.
Systemd has no place on servers. Especially enterprise ones (unless you're RedHat, and only then because no one trusts a company that doesn't dog food)

>>56390106
you sound really intelligent t b h
exactly the type to discuss init systems really

>>56395539
>i have to relearn things i learned in the 70ies

yeah bud, im sure horse drivers also didnt take kindly to cars. but then they all died and were all better for it

>>56395631
>logging system events is an antiquated idea

>>56395539
but you should mindlessly bow down to the rewriting of major OS components
new code is good code, no exceptions

>>56395631
Wait, you didn't learn any of this stuff to begin with? Man, if you are an admin, you must be absolute shit.

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>>56390106
>"systemd dindu nuffin"

>>56395783
who needs logs when you can RAID 1 with version control.