/CCT/ Career and Cert Thread

looking to get into IT but i have no idea where to start

should i just go for the A+ and N+ certs and start applying or will i need to do a college program?

IT is for people who failed CS and want to be desk support help for eternity

>>56389385
Start applying now and start getting certs in where you wanna go so..

Networking - Cisco, Sec+

SysAdmin - MCSE, RedHat, etc

Virtualization - VMware certs

>>56389402
most places i see want a diploma or certs when applying

do you know of any places that will hire without certs or experience?

>>56389454

The most entry-level shit jobs will let you in, but don't expect much better. I'm talking call center "no ma'am your CD tray is not a cup holder" bullshit that will make you want to kill yourself within the first week.

As far as certs go you can definitely get by without them (speaking as a system administrator who never even finished college), but they make your life significantly easier once you do have the experience.

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CISSP, job is paying for it.

IT is really about buzzwords and chasing what people think is important. I know "cyber security managers" who don't own a home computer and ask how to spell "sequel" when jotting down notes for a project requiring a SQL server.

I also know network admins who basically end up doing helpdesk and have multiples CCNPs, MSCE and a computer science degree.

IT is deeply intertwined with business at this point. Your job title will be determined by people who can't computer to save their lives. You ability to get projects done will depend on your ability to politic the resources out of people. Herding nerds through projects will make more than the nerds who have to actually do stuff.

The trick is to enter a small company/startup, get the "responsible for all things" type title then switch jobs to a big company where in order to have touched all of that stuff you would have needed 50 years in the company. Your ability to do this will depend on knowing the small business people or impressing the shit out of them. Alternatively go to college, get a good internship and make friends who will find you a job within their company.

>>56389454
They "want" a lot of things but what they ultimately hire is vastly different.

You guys with no experience need to understand this. If its entry level helpdesk apply no matter what.

HR writes those descriptions, and they literally have no clue about tech. As a hiring manager and project lead I've told HR what "nice-to-haves" are and they put those down as requirements. Apply. Apply. Apply.

If you never apply you'll never get a call back, so if you even remotely think you can do the job...apply!

Trying to do this:

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/applied-technologies/web-digital-media-design/index.php

and since this is more of an arts thing and not that really computer science, I'm thinking of getting some marketing certs along the way.

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/business/social-media-marketing/index.php

and maybe

https://wctc.edu/programs-and-courses/applied-technologies/marketing-media/index.php

Does anyone have any recommendations or advice?

>>56391296
Gonna need more info...

What are you wanting to do?

>>56388820
Mobile Application Developer
Fresh from college
B.A. in Comp Sci, it was a small private college
I applied on indeed.
70kpy
Midwest, where the cost of living is low, and yet plebs still want $15ph to flip burgers... kill me...

>>56391964
>Midwest, where the cost of living is low, and yet plebs still want $15ph to flip burgers... kill me...

I made around $16.50/hr at my last job as an entry level server admin. I know I was a bit underpaid, but even still I figured it was an alright wage for someone who never graduated but still had the skill/know-how to do the job, particularly since I got the job solely out of shitty help desk/service tech positions that I slogged through for five years.

I absolutely fucking despite the people who are championing raising minimum wage for god damn fry cook jobs to like a dollar less than what I was making AS A FUCKING SERVER ADMIN. I will always, always, ALWAYS fight against such changes, if people want more money they can go out and fucking earn it.

>>56389756
Pretty much this.

suits and the "ITIL Movement" have practically fucked IT completely. All because some business faggots realized how much money can be made and instead of paying the people that do the real IT work, middle management has sucked up all the salary funds while pushing down IT wages enough to where you either settle for shit salaries or poo's replace you. All while shit never gets done because the money needed to get shit to work costs more and eats into their salaries instead. Now automation tools are taking over as well.

And the kicker all these idiots in management barely understand technology outside of setting up an iphone and sending an email.


IT was better when normies and females weren't a part of it. I.E. when tech and business were separate.

System Specialist in data center monitoring room.
3 in current job (previously 2 in SD, 3 in OSS)
Vocational School
Applied for an in-house position.
€55k/y
Finland

Just sent an application for anoter open pos in-house, responsibilities with Vmware/HyperV/KVM. Would be happy to at least get into an interview, to talk about what I should focus on to get into such position later if they don't select me this time.

>>56389756
>The trick is to enter a small company/startup, get the "responsible for all things" type title

Or stay with that company, especially if you think they're going to expand. Keeping an eye on their general business/financial practices is not a bad idea, because when you're that deeply intertwined in the infrastructure of the company you will feel like an absolute god.

>>56392127
>And the kicker all these idiots in management barely understand technology outside of setting up an iphone and sending an email.

At my company we recently discovered we need another backup server because the one we have is filling up faster than we anticipated, so we needed to ask for some money to buy a new server.

The suits responded "Have you tried deleting some files off the server we have?", completely straight faced and acted like we didn't know the fucking basics of IT.

In case it wasn't obvious, yes, we had deleted all the files we could off the server, but since we have a 5 year file retention policy in place from the higher ups, there's not a whole lot we can do.

>>56389385
>>56389402
Yes to both ideas

>>56392425
Things were better when IT told the suits that they needed more money for shit and they just gave it to us as long as we had something to show for it. We would then go on to use that money to buy shit that would make the company more money. Suits are happy because they are making more money, IT guys are happy because they get to do real it work/further their knowledge and suits stayed the fuck out of the way and did as they were told.

Now a days getting the company to pay for training is like pulling fucking teeth. I used to work for discovery channel and let me tell ya, never before has a billion dollar company fuck up an IT dept so bad, they lose good people or fire n replace with poo in loo's, never pay for training, never hired people with real skills and can speak english without some shitty 3rd world accent, and under payed all the real workers well below avg salaries, while the ceo got multi-million dollar raises Now i hear its reorg, after reorg, after reorg.

Smaller companies are so much better.

OP,

dont rule out learning monitoring tools like solarwinds and HP tools, also look into Big Data software like splunk and others.

While there will always be a need for sysadmins alot of companies are starting to look at cloud services like AWS to handle that shit. And once that happens you will be seen as a drain on profits and will get left with your dick in your hands. Hardware is practically a waste of time for the long term. You still need to know it but dont base your whole career on it. Virtualization and Cloud services will eliminate alot of hardware related jobs (cept probably networks).


Also get yourself a LinkedIn profile going (not even shilling here) and network your fucking ass off. IT is more business now than anything else, its more about WHO you know not what you know.

What resources should I use for the MCSA?

I assume it's like Cisco where their cert guides don't cover everything you need to know

>>56392620

And the shitty decisions they DO make with the money in regards to IT is fucking staggering! Like they go to seminars and shit and Joe fucking Blow of TotallyLegitCo convinces them that their archiving software will make them all the money in the world, they just have to pay like $800k for it! Then, when they actually decide to bring IT into the loop, we get something like the following:

>"Heyyyy, IT! So we're thinking of buying this archiving software, what do you guys think?"
>"Well, we already have archiving software that we built a whole infrastructure around, replacing it now would cause us a lot of stress and would really just be a general waste of mon-"
>"Yeah, yeah, fine, but COULD you make it work?"
>"We TECHNICALLY could, but like we said it would be a far bigger hassle than would be reasonable, so getting this software wou-"
>"You can make it work? Great! I'll expect it to be implemented by next month!"

>>56393182
it so easy to sell IT shit to retarded ass suits now. before the IT team would be sent to the seminars and then come back to the suits if they found out about anything interesting. but now its a paid vacation out to vegas for the suits. and some con artist that doesn't even understand the IT side of their own product (just parroting the same old shit) tries to sell it. Hell these seminars dont even like it when the IT guys show up because they know they cant shill their over priced, proprietary shit to people that actually understand the tech.


there are so many halfassed tools out their that does the same fucking thing as their competitors with some incredibly stupid licensing method.

I think im in the wrong business.