You were right /g/ using a Seagate 8TB as a desktop drive was

File: 2016-08-22_07-43-36.png (212KB, 1366x738px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 1366x738px

>he didn't listen

>>56209681
Most /g/ memes other than shitposting memes exist for a reason anon.

File: 1468448304241.jpg (1MB, 2048x1357px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2048x1357px

What the fuck is with the bad quality of recent drives?

I've been using the same drive for a decade and a half, and nothing has happened to it. Yes, it's a personal bias, and yes, it might be a fluke, but I didn't hear about people's drives dying as frequently years ago. You bought a decent drive and it would last you at least 6 or 7 years.

>>56210078
>>56210078
Seagate starting to shit at 7200.11, did everyone here on /g/ remember what happened at everyseageate 7200.11 and flood on Thailand? Merge/buy out every hdd company out there?

>Seagate
Anyone who buys Seagate deserves it. The only good storsge solution are Western Digital™ drives. Buy our new line of Western Digital™ Blue drives, which are relabelled Green drives. Need something faster? Western Digital™ has you covered with the Blue Desktop and Black lines. Of course true professionals will rely on our latest breakthrough in storage technologies, the Western Digital™ Red drives which are designed for professional use in servers NAS devices and RAID usage.

No but seriously /g/, other than WD, are there still good manufacturers about there? I miss the Samsung Spinpoint drives. Those baddies lasted me for 7 years before dying.

>>56210250
HGST, Toshiba.

File: [DmonHiro] Magi - 25th Night - Alibaba And Aladdin (BD, 720p) [99B33026].mkv_snapshot_24.00_[2016.08.19_14.55.27].jpg (104KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 1280x720px

>>56210261
>hyundai

I don't know about their newer ones, but the old Hyundais are nothing short of perfection.

>>56209787
>noctua
triggered

>>56210250
How much is WD paying you to shill?

>>56209681
I have 6 of those Seagate 8TB Archive drives in my NAS and they have been running perfect so far. Though these are 5400 RPM.

File: Article-Andrei-photo[1].jpg (59KB, 699x720px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 699x720px

>>56210250
WDs are the new Seagates.

You want Hitachi, HGST or Toshiba

>>56210078
yeah I've had a WD black for 7 and a half years still running well.

New drives are trash I miss Samsung F1s they where decent.

>>56210356

>he didn't read the whole post

>>56210250

Go to that thread and look up the main manufacturers of HDDs/SSDs, and see who isn't on the list, or isn't named as frequently.

F

>>56209681
>SMR
:^)

You should have run 2x4TB in raid 1. If you really want your data safe.

>>56210417
I know pretty much every 3TB drive out there are failmeme worthy, but are 4tb even worth the risk? Most people still swear multiple 2tb is still the only safe solution..

>>56210250
>buy WD Green for cheap storage
>it has 10 bad blocks
>RMA it and get another
>it has 5 bad blocks
>RMA it again and get another
>it doesn't even have S.M.A.R.T

WD is a meme.

Hard drives fail, that's a fact.

Go buy a Synology box or some sort of RAID if losing a disk would be inconvenient.

Also have backups to normally disconnected externals or cloud storage.

>>56210473
>Doesn't have S.M.A.R.T

Huh?

>>56210450
I'm using 2x2TB HDD. I wonder why HDDs in 2016 still fail so often/most likely the longer they live.
Are SSDs actually better?

It must be possible today to save much data for decades or centuries.

>>56209681
>He thought he was getting as good of a drive as WD for seashit pricing
You get what you pay for.

>>56210525
That's what you read, it doesn't have the fucking S.M.A.R.T, you can't monitor it's health.

>>56210528
SSDs have the potential to live for 50 years of continuous usage but they die without any warnings so never save anything important on them.

>>56210525
Not correctly working firmware, so no self-test results are stored.
Happend to me with a few green's and one blue.

File: 1422956420845.png (366KB, 696x720px) Image search: [Google]

366KB, 696x720px

>haven't bought a new disk since 2008
>they all still work

>>56209681
>It lasted a year
Covered by warranty. Get a replacement.
Then restore your backup.

Reliable storage media when?

H-How can I use S.M.A.R.T. on Ubuntu?

File: depositphotos_4926443-Internal-tape-drive-unit-and.jpg (110KB, 1023x685px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 1023x685px

>>56210614

File: seagate.jpg (8KB, 269x211px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 269x211px

>>56209681
>unironically using a seagate drive

>>56210606
>unironically recommending that he should get another Seagate drive through warranty

File: 1471337477086.png (264KB, 791x687px) Image search: [Google]

264KB, 791x687px

Nothing wrong with Seagate 8TB's, but using one as a desktop drive is retarded, and especially without having a backup drive.

That's why I have 2x8TB's for my BACKUPS AKA ARCHIVES, PER THE TITLE... SMDH SENPAI

>>56210654
>unironically recommending that he should get another Seagate drive through warranty
Then get the warranty, sell the Seagate at almost 0 loss, and buy another brand.
Then restore your backup.

>>56210473
Meanwhile
>buy WD Green
>works for years
>never fails

>>56209681
well after one year it is still under warranty

>>56210641
Where I can but it? How is the speed?

>>56210670
How old it is? I bought this Green last month

File: meow.gif (1016KB, 250x333px) Image search: [Google]

1016KB, 250x333px

>>56210669
Anti-Seagate cat is pleased with your plan.

>>56210250
WD were always shitty unreliable drives dying few months after warranty for me. Even shitty Seagate drives are better

>>56210637
Easy, start the 'Disks' program.
Select a hard disk and click on 'SMART Data & Self-Tests' from the option menu.

>>56210250
Fuck you

>>56210637
smartmontools
gsmartcontrol

>>56210691
7 years

>>56210582
Holy fucking shit that's sad

File: 2016-08-22_09-04-23.png (124KB, 1366x738px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 1366x738px

>>56210614
>>56210641
>>56210674

File: new.jpg (131KB, 1212x474px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 1212x474px

>>56210473
>>56210525
>>56210670
Proof

>>56210594
Is there any way to solve it?

>>56210772
No sorry, just RMA the drive and state that the S.M.A.R.T. self-test doesn't work.

>>56210791
Well, fuck.

File: 2016-08-22_09-08-45.png (86KB, 1366x738px) Image search: [Google]

86KB, 1366x738px

>>56210768

>>56210768
delete this

>>56210768
>all these tabs

Learn how to browse, fucking monkey

File: 2016-08-22_09-11-10.png (97KB, 1366x738px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 1366x738px

>>56210841

I did, which is why I can have so many open comfortably. Currently at 73.

File: 1351741820785.gif (247KB, 1450x1050px) Image search: [Google]

247KB, 1450x1050px

>tfw my 10 year old WD is still working perfectly
>tfw I'll only get HGST drives from now on

>bought 2 500gb WD Caviar Blue in 2012
>both are dead now
meanwhile
>bought 2 80gb Samsung SP0842N in 2004
>they are still rocking
>no bad blocks, nothing.

What happened?

>>56210938
Increased density and more platter equals higher failure rate.

Work at a datacenter. WD, HGST, and Seagate drives are constantly replaced. We order over 100 of each kind per site per week and we run 9 sites just in my cluster. Logistics can't keep up with how fast the drives are dying. Even the Intel SSDs freak out with their BAD_CTX shit on a daily, and most times hdparm can't bring them back.

Samsung SSDs are the only drives that aren't garbage, at least where I work.

>>56211032
>I can't state model numbers

>drives from every major manufacturer are constantly being replaced

in to the trash it goes

>>56210450
>I know pretty much every 3TB drive out there are failmeme
How soon until my Toshiba ones go out? They've been going for 2 years now. I have no errors so far.

>>56210386
>literally only WD Reds tested that year on backblaze.

Also Backblaze has admitted using refurbished HDDs in the past.
And it doesn't have a typical desktop environment.

>>56211077
ST1000NM0033, HUA722010CLA330, WD1003FBYZ, WD500ABYZ. I don't remember the SSD models off the top of my head. We recently switched to the 4TB helium drives, I think WD4000FYYZ? They're too new to for me to give an accurate failure rate, but the 3tb ST3000NM0033 that we moved away from all get extended errors after 3-6 months and we have JBODs with 96 slots full of them. Fun times for me when one of those is ready for repurposing.

>>56209681
>using the archive SMR drive as your regular desktop drive
>the exact thing it clearly warns you not to do all over the specs, datasheet and warranty
Look, I've got tons of them in production and I tried to warn you in that thread. They're fine for low-write scenarios.

Your desktop is not a low-write scenario. That is the exact opposite of what they are designed and rated for. I'm amazed if you'll even be able to RMA because the SMART stats will show them just what you did.

Get this clear: you're not covered by warranty. You don't even get to moan about it. This was death by misadventure.

Get an SSD for your desktop. Get a regular desktop hard drive for any larger storage you might need for it.

SMR drives are for archive purposes only: write once, read many, update almost never. Not even RAID (no TLER), you want an SMR-ready journaling FS like btrfs or ZFS.

Oh well. At least you have a backup and can learn from your expensive mistake.

...you don't have a backup, do you. See, THAT is what the Archive drives were for, or take drives...

>>56210261
wd bought hgst

>S.M.A.R.T
This piece of shit is actually useful?
I swear it said my HDD was in perfect condition, then 1 week later it completely died.

>>56210078
Depends on vendor. Seagate is terrible, HGST is excellent. WD varies by model. Toshiba is surprisingly solid. I've had my set of 3TB drives for a few years now, no problems at all.

>>56211254
>Toshiba is surprisingly solid
Why is that surprising?

>>56211188
>A bunch of old 1TB drives dying
hey look, its nothing

>JBODs with 96 slots
What chassis?

>>56211191
They have their own separate product lines. Kind of like VW and Lamborghini have their own designs. Except WD stole the helium tech for their Gold line from HGST.

>>56211188
MZ7WD480HAGM are the Samsung drives we use and they're boss.

>>56211171
>a typical desktop environment.
You don't put large capacity drives in desktops.
Technically they should last longer in the datacenter: tightly controlled humidity and temperature.

>>56211188
>WD4000FYYZ
Those are not helium drives, that's the old WD RE that was recently replaced by WD4002FYYZ - the new WD Gold 4TB. That's not a helium drive either. I have one of them.

The Helium WD Golds are 8TB and 10TB models. 6 and 4 are normal drives.

>>56211262
Not for long. Fully integration is expected by 2017 or 2018 if I recall correctly. HGST brand will go poof.

>>56211262
>stole
Theft means depriving someone of their property but HGST still has Helium hard disk technology.

>>56211272
But datacenters can have some trouble with vibration.
Like a huge airco vibrating the building.

>>56211229
Good S.M.A.R.T stats doesn't promises anything. A head crash into one of the platters or motor/bearing problems can happen at any time.
If S.M.A.R.T mentions you have a bad sector you should use that info to secure all data on it immediately on another (good) drive or raid(z) system. Not to "oh well my drive is fine no backups needed".

Ordered a My Book 8TB which I'm going to take apart now.

https://youtu.be/nFKbrppVBD4?t=492

From my understanding it is basically a WD RED.

And there is nothing wrong with using a WD RED as a desktop drive aside from the price.

So, how do I get into proper RAID?

Let's say I plan on owning a max of around 30 drives.

What type of enclosure would support that? And do I need to wipe all my drives in order to do RAID? because I already have 5 drives.

>>56211255
They weren't producing hard drives until fairly recently (last 10 years). The other manufacturers have been around since the 80s.

>>56211272
>I dont know what vibration is

>>56211296
Something with a SAS expander.

>>56209681
You should have bought 3 and RAID 5'ed them.

>>56211289
There's some, racks don't vibrate as much as /g/ makes them out to though.

>>56211312
Toshiba has tech and equipment from Hitachi/IBM (sold to them by WD) who have been producing hard drives for a very long time.

>>56211317
>SAS expander
Ok, but how does this solve the problem of using RAID? I'm pretty sure I can't just use my existing drives with data on them to create a raid setup, no? I thought the process formatted them

>>56211317
>I dont know what vibration is
I've worked in multiple datacenters, this isn't as much of an issue as you think.

>>56211188
HUS724020AL in my desktop, am I fucked for using an enterprise drive, then?

>>56211278
pedantic (puh-dan-tik): ostentatious in one's learning, or: overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.

>>56211355
If you do software raid you can build the array with existing data. You have to have enough drives and it's tricky to say the least. Honestly the easiest thing would be to:
1. Buy all the hard drives at once (or at least as many as you'll need for current capacity factoring in redundancy)
2. Build the array on the new drives
3. Copy everything over
4. Add original drives to the array

>>56211336
https://www.hgst.com/sites/default/files/resources/WP_RVS_25March.pdf

>>56211356
im sure a rack monkey knows more than hard drive manufacturers, see the link above.

>>56211355
You can keep the data from 1 disk without backing up with any decent controller.

>>56211403
>rack monkey
I'm an engineer you fuckwit.

>>56211416
Shhh. Don't tell him that datacenters hire engineers to baby their equipment.

>>56211391
that's what I was thinking.
Guess I have no choice but to drop $2k in HDD's.

>>56211416
>engineer
that word has no meaning anymore glorified rack monkey

>>56211446
When you get your degree in EE, we'll talk manchild.

>>56211336
There's still more vibration than a desktop.
And drives that are purely designed for low vibration environments will clearly do a lot worse in datacentres.

Anyway, WD quality depends a lot on the model (So does Seagate), "testing" just Reds doesn't tell shit about the Re/Gold or Black.
HGST (Even though it has become part of WD) is still the most reliable overall.

But backblaze isn't a good measuring stick, especially since they don't "test" all models and they've used refurbished models in the past in those "tests".
Their environment isn't a typical desktop environment.
That's my main point, Backblaze is not reliable enough.

>>56211463
I bet you can't even do a cfd analysis on the aerodynamics of a spinning golf ball, monkey

>>56211463
>I still think I know more than HDD manufacturers
stay btfo anon

>>56210417
>If you really want your data safe

Repeat after me:
RAID is not backup
RAID is not backup
RAID is not backup
RAID is not backup
RAID is not backup

File: e9d[1].jpg (16KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 600x600px

>>56211488
At least try, seriously.

>>56211463
Did you EE study have a part about HDD environments specifically?

EE doesn't even have very complicated math, literal baby study.
t.math teacher.

>>56211504
Not everyone needs backups
Not everyone needs backups
Not everyone needs backups
Not everyone needs backups

>>56211546
True, only people who want their data safe do.

>>56211504
Raid-0 is a full mirror
Raid-0 is a full mirror
Raid-0 is a full mirror
Raid-0 is a full mirror
Raid-0 is a full mirror

>>56211489
Why would I be mad? He just googled hard drive vibration. That PDF is about HGST adding a feature to their drives to counteract vibration (which happens in any scenario where a hard drive is used).

>>56211530
>t.math teacher.
So you teach high school math. Great job. You're slightly above the gym teacher.

>>56211530
How many centers does a triangle have?

>>56211559
you just shift-del'd your favorite porn folder
you just shift-del'd your favorite porn folder
you just shift-del'd your favorite porn folder
you just shift-del'd your favorite porn folder
you just shift-del'd your favorite porn folder

>>56211559
Kek

>>56211562
>I dont know what enterprise class disks have multiple RV sensors
ok rack monkey

>all the dickwaving in this thread

kill yourselves

>>56211582
Not as many dicks inside you're mum

>>56211586
Porn is haram, anon.

>>56211629
My mother is dead

>>56211593
>Found something on google that has little to do with the argument
>Defends it anyway
You're grasping at straws. I get that your autism causes you to remember every product spec you come across and I feel bad for you.

>>56211586
I just deleted pornhub
I just deleted pornhub
I just deleted pornhub
I just deleted pornhub
I just deleted pornhub

>>56211648
>A whitepaper from HGST on vibration's effects on hard drives
>little to do with an argument about vibration's effects on hard drives
stay btfo rack monkey

File: 1310572247573.jpg (4KB, 212x251px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 212x251px

>>56211658
>he streams porn

yeah ok I think we're done here

>>56211556
If you want to protect data from drive failures and only drive failures, RAID 5/6 is fine.

>>56210691
>>56210670
WD Greens last surprisingly long if you disable head parking on them. But they do eventually die even that way.

Reds are better though. Only Red I ever lost was one where I fucked with the firmware (so, it was my fault).

Samsung were god tier, but after their F1 series they got tons of bad batches and overheating motors.

How good are Toshibas? I had to get a 2tb 7200rpm Toshiba as my production drive last week due to an emergency.

Well I know Seagate 2.5 drives are reliable in my experience, been using a pair of 7.2k rpm 2.5 drives on my build for 7 years without issues and I have 4 external disks that have worked perfectly for years.

>>56211694
>An article about the effect of vibration on hard drives
>Not an article refuting Datacenter vs Desktop vibration
Stay salty.

>>56211712
>he doesn't streams porn

I can smell autism

>>56211724
>>>56210670
>WD Greens last surprisingly long if you disable head parking on them

how

>>56211730
>data centers dont have more vibration than desktops
btfo confirmed

>>56211738
Well in his defence, finding amputated furry midget hentai isn't exactly easy so I can see why he stores his porn.

>>56211718
You might want to read up on why RAID5 on large consumer drives is a bad idea.

>>56211756
Wat?
That's the argument I was making, Datacenters vibrate hard drives less.

>>56211758
kek

>>56211751
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Disable+park+head+wd+green+%22solved%22

This is why you should always listen to /g/!

>>56211778
>Datacenters vibrate hard drives less.
Right, because there are 20 ton AC units in peoples homes, and 48+ HDDs in a single desktop computer.

>>56209681


Seagate? More like SeaCRATE! amairite????!

I'm not recommending anything other than hitachi/HGST to anyone, ever, at least until I they start fucking up their stuff (this is electronics, you know they'll fuck up at some point)

>>56211601
that's every thread in /g/

>>56210938
Samsung was the king at that time, until their F1 series. I have a 160gb spinpoint still working in an older drive. I still remember running tests on drives in that era, Maxtor drives had tons of factory bad sectors that were parity corrected on the fly, Seagate had around half as much factory bad sectors as Maxtors (Seagate bought Maxtor since), and Samsungs had NONE. Samsung shipped with NO factory error corrected sectors.

The best quality drive I ever used was Quantum, though. The 3GB Quantum Fireballs I have are goddamn indestructible.

>>56210817
Moar fun facts about lost digital films

>>56211816
All compensated for in a modern datacenter.
If you want to split hairs, then sure, there are shit-tier datacenters that don't do anything about vibration.

>>56211837
>All compensated for in a modern datacenter.
except they're not, the very reason why enterprise class disks have multiple RV sensors

>>56210817
I don't get it, aren't flash drives and SSDs supposed to last like a century if left alone?

>>56211292
I've had a couple bad sectors for like 3 years and nothing has happened still. S.M.A.R.T is a meme.

>>56211255
because ive had 4 3tb toshiba models, none of them lasted a year

>>56211768
>Drives have bad sectors
>ZOMG everything is ruined

Just have a small background script writing out .par3 files and periodically checking checksums. You'll end up with better protection than data mirroring with a tiny fraction of the space overhead.

>>56211862
http://seelab.ucsd.edu/papers/cschan_gm13.pdf

Interesting read

>>56211862
http://www.linkfloor.com/product/oa-steel-cementitious-raised-floor_1695.html

Your raised floor should be dampened. Your rack is somewhat dampened. Your chassis are designed to minimize vibration. Even with the hard drives creating vibrations, they hit an equilibrium. Any engineer knows this.
The RVS sensors are designed for SMBs. Most SMBs don't have proper datacenters.

>>56211869
Components like resistors and capacitors and such do have a finite life.

>>56209681

> 8GB SMR Drive
> Somehow it failed after writing random data on it on a daily basis
> somehow this is a surprise

>>56211923
>Your rack is somewhat dampened.
>somewhat
I've never seen anything resembling a dampener on a rack

>Your chassis are designed to minimize vibration.
>minimize
A steel sheet metal chassis is going to vibrate, and i've never seen drive sleds with anything resembling dampeners.

stay btfo anon who thinks datacenters have less vibration than homes

>>56211956
How do I tell the difference between pmr vs smr. The capacity?

>>56211940
Yes, but isn't the lifespan significantly longer if they're not being tampered with all the time?

>>56210473
>take it back too many times
>Amazon bans your ass for returns

>>56211989

For one thing, it says right on the drive with the "Archive" label.
There's also datasheets that mention this.
Usually found on the same page you click "Buy now".
Also search engines help, you research other hardware you spend money too, so why don't do the same for drives?

>>56210768
n-no there must be a solution ;_;

>>56212000
Well I suppose so, but when you power them up again is where problems occur from my understanding of old HAM gear. And ssd don't last long when unpowered. Longer than memers will tell you, but still.

>>56212035
I did do some research, and I bought a HUS724020AL. HGST has NO information in the spec sheet, so what now, smartass?

>>56212125
Not that anon but HGST says if it is SMR on the label. They also if they are archive class ont he label as well. And on the product page. And on the datasheet.
https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/ultrastar-archive-ha10

>>56211908
>1 drive dies
>during rebuild another drive has a bad sector
>ZOMG everything is ruined

ftfy
Sure, you can keep a second set of drives and when a disk fails copy over everything, dismantle the RAID and build it again, but at that point you might as well go with RAID1.

>>56212174
Thanks anon. So "archive" is the magic word then. Because it doesn't say a damn thing about it on the page/data sheet for the one I own.

>>56212209
>archive is the magic word
sometimes, but as the name implies, archive disks arent meant to be used for non-archive purposes. Especially SMR disks because they have to re-write the adjacent sectors.
>doesnt say
Thats because it isnt a SMR disk

Spinning discs are just getting worst and worst.

Without going into to much detail, I work at a datacenter that does a lot of sub-contract work for AWS. Needless to say, I am just one of the plebs that gets works hourly to install new servers, drives, etc. in the DC.

I have pulled so many HDDs out of NAS Raid-arrays then I care to count. I don't know where all the hate for SSDs comes from on /g/ because for each 100 burned out HDDs I have pulled out I have seen maybe 1 dead SSD.

>>56212263
...so what brand(s) are worse than others, in your experience?

>>56212263
>Spinning discs are just getting worst and worst.
No, its that disk density in racks keeps on getting larger and larger, and vibration is rearing its ugly head.

>hate for SSDs
The poorfags on /g/ arent buying enterprise class SSDs.

>00 burned out HDDs I have pulled out I have seen maybe 1 dead SSD.
I wonder if vibration has anything to do with this.

>>56212294
WHAT? I CANT HEAR YOU

>>56212298
>hate for SSDs
>The poorfags on /g/ arent buying enterprise class SSDs.
Not him but
>hurr durr u browsin 4chan u need to haev the ssd may may or else u bow down to get fuccd u fuccbuoi
Literally /g/. Not everyone can afford SSDs,remember my words.

>>56212263
*worse

File: Screen Shot 2016-08-22 at 12.54.16 PM.png (1MB, 3360x2100px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3360x2100px

>>56212326
>Literally /g/. Not everyone can afford SSDs,remember my words.
But I can and thats all that matters

>>56210300
>Hyundai
HGST is Hitachi, and they've been the best drive manufacturer for years.

>>56211191
Doesn't mean shit, HGST's still better.

>>56210417
My 4TB drive's been running 24/7 for three years, it's even survived getting kneed a bunch of times mid write/read (server's a tower under my desk, sometimes I bash it accidentally when I get up)

>>56212326
Your whole desktop is faster with a ssd, though. Menus, programs, vidya all open noticeably quicker than with an hdd. And how pathetic is it not to be able to afford a $60 ssd?

>>56212342
oh god not this cringe captain again.

>>56212362
>And how pathetic is it not to be able to afford a $60 ssd?
I spend all my allowance on video games and energy drinks tbqhfam

What's the best and fastest HDD for applications and games? WD black I guess?

I already have a 256gb SSD for os and software. Damn gaymes are over 50gb nowadays.

>>56212279

For HDDs all the 5+ year old 10k RPM Hitachis we have literally never die. Western Digital enterprise drives are middle of the road, and Seagate we avoid unless acquisitions gets them really cheap. Pretty much the only spinning disc brands we carry here. Lately we have been getting big orders of WD due to good volume discounts.

For SSDs we have only ever used Intel enterprise class SSDs. We buy them in 1TB and 500GB models by the pallet.

>>56212298

>I wonder if vibration has anything to do with this.

Possibly. We keep all the NAS raid-arrays in one area, I am sure 1000's of spinning HDDs in the same area may not be the best scenario. Some 6 figure salary engineer decides that stuff, I am just a pleb.

>>56211383
There's no u sound in pedantic you fucktard.

>>56210250
As far as I know,Seagate bought Maxtor and that is all. Some Samsung drives have been said to be rebranded Seagates,but the only one I've seen so far is a Spinpoint M8,1TB laptop drive (which has both a Seagate model number (ST1000LM024) and the Momentus line is specific of Seagate last time I checked. Other than that,Samsung still make HDDs on their own. My main HDD is a Spinpoint HD103SI 1TB 5400RPM drive (out of a enclosure that came with a Wii I traded for a PS3 I plan to fix - 40GB fat with 320GB WD drive) and to this day it still holds up pretty well. I haven't experienced any problems,and would gladly carry over any newer build I'd do,leaving 80GB laptop drives to legacy systems usually. (Pentium 4 2.8GHz/865PE mobo for example)

>>56212362
Should have expected this from a Amerifat /g/ SSD meme shill.

>>56212376
>I wish I had enterprise class disk arrays at home

>>56212466
Its true, though.

>>56212549
I have no need. I literally wouldn't know what to do with it. Post your 401(k) or IRA balance or something if you want to impress us at least. Any idiot can stick a few drives in a cage.

File: 2016-08-22_11-14-00.png (43KB, 1366x450px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 1366x450px

>>56211833

https://www.quora.com/Pixar-company/Did-Pixar-accidentally-delete-Toy-Story-2-during-production/answer/Oren-Jacob

File: 2016-08-22_11-15-57.png (69KB, 1366x619px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 1366x619px

>>56211833
>>56212638

That's it.

File: 1284332105656.jpg (16KB, 391x463px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 391x463px

>>56209681
>mfw I bought Seagate 8TB drive just 2 weeks ago.
I'll be using it only to store movies and music. It won't die on me, right?

>>56212714
All drives will eventually die on you Anon.

File: 1471761496149.gif (2MB, 250x220px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 250x220px

>>56212714

>>56212588
>Its true, though.
As much as true it is,I'll say it again,not everybody can afford a SSD.

Like it or not,SSDs are still expensive than a HDD. The only cheap SSDs have too little space for today's trends. (seriously,apart from old PCs where do you see 120GB drives?)

Also,people still use HDDs because they're practical and cheap,except for fancier stuff like WD Purple (even though they advertise it as a DVR-oriented HDD,it works on a PC) and WD Black,or HGST's helium filled 10TB drive.

>>56210590
fuck off shill

>>56212678
And that is why Tape Backups are shit. Better to just put that shit on a usb flash drive.

>>56212825
>flash drive
Enjoy losing your data even sooner

>>56212835
>losing data
>flashdrive
SSDs and flashdrives are based on the same design,retard.

>>56212812
I have both, a 250 which is full already, and a 2tb. 120gb is a meme. The OS on my hdd is noticeably slower than on the ssd.

>>56212854
And they're both ass for long term storage, retard.

>>56212854
My Seagate 600 Pro enterprise class SSDs lose data if they're powered off for 3 months according to the datasheet. Flash is shit for long term storage.

>>56209681
You should have stayed with the 4tb models, they are pretty reliable.

>>56212873
>And they're both ass for long term storage, retard.
Stop eating shit asslord. I have a 256MB flash drive that still works to this day.
>>56212872
>250GB
>2TB
You must be from America as well.

>>56212916
Provided it's in a server (they call it enterprise class for a reason) it won't lose data. But this is the reason why SSD is literally a meme. Leave it turned off during a vacation for example,and bam,all yer data is gone with the wind. HDDs don't suffer from this.

>>56212638
>>56212678
Thank you, very interesting

>>56212873
>>56212916

My Lexar Twistturn was off for 6 months with no problem.

>>56212825
>technology hasn't advanced, even after a decade

>tfw got one of these to store all of my chaturbate recordings
>over 5tb used so far
welp, time to start my plan b and find the most important shit and burn it all to blu ray for cold storage until the 1 pb ssd is real

>>56212967
>SSDs and flash drives use the same technology,retard
>my old flash drive is fine for long term storage
>SSDs suck for long term storage, they're literally memes
You're quite the dumbass, aren't you?

>>56212987
It's not like it goes a certain amount of time and poof everything's gone, but if you go a while without using it the chances go up that you've lost data.

File: 1394423910720.png (18KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 500x500px

>>56212991
Everyone who says their hard drive failed were using it too much. If you minimize the number of times you do file transfers with it, its life span should extend. You use 1 SSD for main computing, and at least 2 HDD for storage, and (if you could afford it) tapes for archiving.

Thas how it werks

>>56212967
>>Stop eating shit asslord. I have a 256MB flash drive that still works to this day.
The sad thing is that your 256mb drive will retain data far longer than any newer drive would. The smaller the lithography is, the flash is more sensitive to temperature and will lose charger faster.

>>56212714
should have bought 2 4tb drives instead of an 8tb one

>>56213091
yeah that's what I was thinking
I only plug it up once a month or so to dump 300gb at a time

>>56212714
Are you actually watching/listening to those movies on it, or just storing? Archive is ideally write once, read never. Listening to music all day is going to cause a lot of reads and hard park cycles.

Also use noatime, even updating a single bit of metadata can result in huge amounts of data rewriting because of the shingling.

>>56212916
Enterprise SSDs lose data MUCH quicker than non enterprise SSDs when powered off. (still a few months)

Why would an enterprise ever have their SSDs off longer than a few days anyway?

>>56212987
>technology hasn't advanced, even after a decade
It took a turn for the worse,kek.

I literally have VHS tapes that look much better than a brand new DVD of a movie.

>>56213032
>You're quite the dumbass, aren't you?
No I'm not. SSDs use BGA chips (more exactly the kind of BGA chips used on RAM sticks) while flashdrives actually use TSOP NAND chips,idioticus maximus. The only reason the flash drive survived is because it uses a TSOP, NAND flash chip,wile BGAs are prone to go bad in anything that may rely on them,even GPUs and RAM chips. I've had several things break due to the idiotic BGA design - fragile GPU chipsets (tiny cracks),PS2 RDRAM chips (again,fragile BGA chips),even GPU RAM and a RAM stick altogether.

This is why the SSDs are quite a meme. BGAs are less durable than a physical TSOP NAND and such. Don't get me wrong,but a TSOP NAND (or simply TSOP BIOS chip,for example),will last a lot more than the same chip REDESIGNED on a BGA package.

>>56213120
Which would be why most flash drives,even if fake,will retain data for long. They use TSOP48 NAND chips (provided by Hynix/Hyundai,ST Microelectronics,Samsung and Toshiba usually) that support infinite read-write operations. I can assure you of flashdrives being made with NAND chips as I've also had a 1GB Transcend Jetflash V30 pendrive,which was nothing else than a USB dongle with a Toshiba NAND chip,a 12MHz quartz and a Alcor AU6984 controller.

TL;DR - SSDs are a meme because their BGA chips are more fragile and prone to breaking than NAND chips. Were SSDs made with TSOP NAND chips,I wouldn't have said anything. But this way? Wouldn't trust one to save my data on. Rather would use the traditional HDD way. Even if magnetic storage,the cracked storage (which is why BGA chips break :) ) problem wouldn't arise. A bit of a good cooling on them and they last enough.

>>56213315
BGA is fine with epoxy underfill. Only because most consumer electronics manufacturers are too cheap to do this is there a problem.

File: dvds.jpg (289KB, 1280x960px) Image search: [Google]

289KB, 1280x960px

>>56212991
I would trust DVD/BD for archiving stuff. I recently took all the 324 DVDs in the picture and transferred it all to my computer and was hoping that it would be a fucking nightmare in the best case.

They were burned between 2004-2010 and I was expecting at least 50% of them to be unreadable by now. Turns out all but FOUR were readable with 20 or so slow as fuck to read, still could get the data, and those four were duplicates that failed the verifying process at the time for one reason or other, so 100% data recovery rate for stuff that was not touched for about a decade.

I heard that BD are designed to be even better than DVDs in the scratch/humidity/fungus resistance, not a bad idea to use them for long term archival.

>>56213258
>noatime
too bad that I'm on windows machine. Thanks for the info, anyway, I had no idea about it.
after reading this thread I think I'll change the way I'm handling the files. I'll use WD Green 2TB to download movies on it and watch them, and next I'll use Seagate 8 tb just to store the movies. All music will go on the WD too.

>>56213278
>Enterprise SSDs lose data MUCH quicker than non enterprise SSDs when powered off. (still a few months)
I'm pretty sure desktop class SSDs dont even specify it in the datasheet.

>Why would an enterprise ever have their SSDs off longer than a few days anyway?
They were retired, sat on a shelf, and then someone realized they needed shit off it?

>>56213315
>The package of a chip somehow influences how long data will survive without power
stay retarded anon.

File: IMG_20160822_210107.jpg (1MB, 2448x3264px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2448x3264px

>became a /g/entleman some years ago
>used pic related for over 10(!) years and it still works
>bought new PC because old PC is old (used windows XP until 8.1 came out)
>mfw I realized they don't produce the ports of my trusty HDD anymore
>use SSD for system and an old external HDD for music and movies now because I'm a cheap bastard

>>56213393
I don't think Windows has atime so it shouldn't be a problem.

>>56213389
yeah, I think people who think optical storage sucks are the ones that buy the colorful cheap discs at walgreens and store them in their car. I have a burned cd from 2001 that still reads perfectly

>>56213389
I transferred about 200 DVDRs to HD after over 10 years storage, and only one had a read error, and I suspect it was a bad burn not storage damage. Taiyo Yuden media wasn't just a meme.

>>56213418
What the fuck did that come out of where they're using a centronics connector for a IDE disk?

>>56213426
I think that since Vista accessed date = modified date for the consumer versions, Server might still have it by default.

>>56213452
My oldest optical media that still works are some early 90's CDs, as long as you keep them in a dry place with no sunlight they should last forever.

>>56213502
>Taiyo Yuden media wasn't just a meme.
Indeed, the majority of mine were manufactured by them, the rest were mostly Verbatin.

so when is the world going to drop mechnical meme hdds and go full ssd

>>56213552
Once they are as affordable as HDD's. Any more stupid questions?

>>56213552
Never

>>56211254
I guess it's from vendors like you said. Samsung failed twice recently for me. But my 3 WD are running beautifully.

>>56210250
>I miss the Samsung Spinpoint drives

me too. I still have like five 500gb spinpoint drives left and I've run them 24/7/365 since 2005.... not a single failure... a few bad sectors on ONE drive, though.

>>56213369
Nope,the underfill glue isn't safe either. nVidia got into serious shit and trouble just because of this,and I shit you not,this goes way back since the Geforce 2 untill today.

>>56213394
>The package of a chip somehow influences how long data will survive without power
>stay retarded anon.
Jokes on you. SSDs,no matter what kind they are (enterprise etc.),are made on the same BGA chips used on RAM sticks,and the underfill glue contribues to this. The reason why SSDs WILL fail is because the glue will eventually break out,just like nVidia's chipsets. That,and BGA chips can crack enough to kill the drive. Which is why I'll claim TSOP NAND chips are superior. Even if they're practically with pins,they aren't in any form on a ball grid array. They're literal flash chips like your average BIOS chip on the motherboard,and last almost forever. Which is simply why older flashdrives (256MB and the like) last more than SSDs at data retaining. USB flash drives use NAND chips,which aren't made from epox glue.

And again jokes on you,because with NAND I can simply desolder them. You'd need a lot of fuckery to do a BGA replace. One 1/2 of a millimeter,and you're having a paperweight.

>>56213552
>so when is the world going to drop mechnical meme hdds and go full ssd
When they will become affordable and use the same technology as flashdrives.

>>56209681
just buy more and put them in RAID

>>56213598
>just buy more and put them in RAID
Sounds good,but that requires drivers for the RAID controller unless they changed. I remember my Sillicon Image Sil3112R being that way.

>>56213592
>The reason why SSDs WILL fail is because the glue will eventually break out,
>glue
thanks for confirming your retardation

>>56213418
>123.5GB

why

>>56210078
seagate sold defective drives that had been contaminated by the flood some years back.

HGST is based, definitely get one of those if you can find them at a consumer drive price point

>>56213592
>Which is simply why older flashdrives (256MB and the like) last more than SSDs at data retaining
Broken BGA = complete failure
Flash worn out = partial failure, bad sectors etc.
OId flash uses bigger process so it doesn't wear out as fast. Doesn't matter if it's BGA or TSOP.

The fuck does anyone need with 8tb of space?

My data accumulation since 2000 amounts to just under two and a half tb. You goddamn kids and your media hoarding.

>>56213661
weebs

>>56213522
I've seen that setup in quite a few POS systems. The drive uses standard 2.5" IDE connector with a centronics adapter

>>56213661
Not OP but I'm stocking up on every episode of every TV show I'd ever want to watch. After that I'm going to work on downloading Blu-ray remuxes of every movie I can think of. Already up to over 10000 episodes

>>56213661
i have a few tb of porn, sure i could delete some of it but i've already deleted a lot and i want to keep most of the remainder. then there's work stuff with backups. if you do anything productive on your computer you're gonna end up using some hard drive space

>>56210473
shit i bought a WD green and didn't test it
should i transfer my data off it and get something better? its 3tb, and i use it every day for recording videos on
ever since i've mounted it i've been getting chkdsk prompts on startup

File: 1471887987044.jpg (155KB, 850x1202px) Image search: [Google]

155KB, 850x1202px

>>56212967
>Provided it's in a server (they call it enterprise class for a reason) it won't lose data. But this is the reason why SSD is literally a meme. Leave it turned off during a vacation for example,and bam,all yer data is gone with the wind. HDDs don't suffer from this.
>>56213032
Lurk moar physics morons

SSD have its memory storage with electricity.
>see Semiconductor
They are using this tech to store data. As time passes, it starts to lose it's potential. I'm not expert in this and I have problems explaining this as I'm a native english speaker
>HDD
The core idea of this tech is storing data magnetically.
>see "a permanent magnet" and "temporarily magnetized metal"
Both of which include "the elementary magnets" or "alkeismagneetti" in finnish. As you know HDD use temporarily magnetized as for you can change the position of it to determinant if it's 0 or 1.

>>56210473
>WD is a meme.
yes, their reliability stats aren't particularly good, i think it's just a load of marketing and hype, the linustechtips sponsorship made me not want to buy wd drives

>>56213768
tl;dr
It all comes down to the basics of physics.

File: IMG_20160822_212247.jpg (1MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3264x2448px

>>56213522
This is from my old PC which I had since I had since I was 15. Before that, it was my dad's. To be fair, the HDD connection itself is pic related. I used the adapter for an easy switch, because I had a separate HDD on which I received all new movies every month from a shady guy. (I won't elaborate this further)

>>56213642
Epox is glue,idiot.

>>56213658
Worn out flash chips don't give bad sectors. At least my 256MB drive never reported any bad sectors while defragmenting. (required because I use it with a Playstation 2 ELF executable that requires all flash drives with a game on it to be defragmented.)

Take a 10 year Original Xbox BIOS chip though. It still uses a form of NAND (TSOP48 format - 1024KB writeable flash) and still holds up to this day,despite being used daily.

>>56213768
>see "a permanent magnet" and "temporarily magnetized metal"
>Both of which include "the elementary magnets" or "alkeismagneetti" in finnish. As you know HDD use temporarily magnetized as for you can change the position of it to determinant if it's 0 or 1.
Somebody would have to be literally dumb to place fridge magnets on a PC case. Especially those made out of Zinc or crappy thin steel.

>>56213720
>every TV show
is always available if it's worth watching.
>>56213742
>few tb of porn
How the fuck? Even a compulsive jackoff knows where to find it without saving it to disk. The internet saves most of it for you unless it's copyrighted by tight asses or illegal somehow.

Anyway. Media hoarding. You don't have to keep that stuff on disc. Burn it to Bluray or DVD.

>>56213522
It's a very old external drive.

>>56213839
>At least my 256MB drive never reported any bad sectors
256MB is very old, very big process flash. It will not wear out easily. Only modern flash wears out easily.

>>56213876
I have a 8GB ADATA flash as well. Made on the same NAND process.

>>56213839
>Somebody would have to be literally dumb to place fridge magnets on a PC case. Especially those made out of Zinc or crappy thin steel.
>not knowing the fact that different places in this planet are more and less magnetic
the planetary magnetic field will affect the HDD when it comes long term storing
>he doesn't know about electromagnets
There is many factors to this subject and for now I don't have more data about this issue

>>56213860
>is always available if it's worth watching.
Nope. Especially without Internet. Besides, why would I pay monthly for something like Netflix when I can just spend a year's subscription on a large HDD and watch for free whenever the fuck I want?

>>56213911
>>56213860
Also
>You don't have to keep that stuff on disc. Burn it to Bluray or DVD.
>you don't have to keep it on disc, burn it to a disc
Assuming you meant don't keep it on an HDD, I can't shuffle all 10000 episodes if they're all on separate discs.

>>56209681
I'm beginning to think large hard drives in general might be a bad idea. I had a 2 TB Samsung drive and it also died in 1.5 years without warning. It's the only hard drive that has ever failed on me.

>>56213911
Enjoy cucked stream quality newfriend
>normies unironically believe that streaming media from the internet is the highest quality when it says (((((1080p)))))

>>56213860
streaming porn is low quality and they don't have the rarer stuff (not talking about illegal porn, just not the most recent porn or more specific porn), better to have 720p-1080p of your favorite scenes and any decent quality (480p is still better than most streams) of most other stuff, streaming is only useful for casual viewing to find new porn/pornstars

File: 1471813653037.jpg (219KB, 468x745px) Image search: [Google]

219KB, 468x745px

NEET that hasn't changed any parts of his computer for the last 8 years here.

How fucked am I in terms of hardware failure?
I have 4 WD greens with animu and a samsumg SSD for the OS.

I don't want to lose my music and chinese cartoons but I got no income.

File: image.jpg (122KB, 740x450px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 740x450px

Fuck. I was about to buy a 2TB SSHD for a storage drive. Am I fucking myself if I go through with it?

>>56213957
You are beyond retarded. I was talking about how fucking stupid streaming is. Holy shit reread my post you fucking moron.

>>56213910
>not knowing the fact that different places in this planet are more and less magnetic
>the planetary magnetic field will affect the HDD when it comes long term storing
What,the South and North pole?
>>56213941
>I had a 2 TB Samsung drive and it also died in 1.5 years without warning. It's the only hard drive that has ever failed on me.
High temperatures I guess? I still have a 1TB Samsung still kicking strong. Possible that your read/write heads could have failed from excessive heat. I had 160GB Samsung drives die from that.

>>56213964
Without backups you're living on the edge every second regardless of the quality and age of your hardware.

Since your parts have last this long they'll probably be okay forever.

>>56213982
>SSHD
Never consider one, they're inherently shit. Get a 120GB or 240GB SSD and a 2TB HDD.

>>56209681
>8TB
It would have failed no matter the brand. Do you even read the internet before you buy things?

>>56213964
>WD greens
Did you disable the head parking? If not they might be almost dead by now. Check the SMART for the head parking count.

>>56214013
What size do you recommend then?

>>56213964
use free online storage if nothing else?

https://mega.nz/
>Offers 50 GB of free storage space.

>>56213911
Objection sustained. I'm just speaking from experience when I say most tv isn't worth watching again. Even if you've got it saved.
>>56213934
Nothing amounts to 10,000 episodes. And why would you shuffle all of that shit anyway?
>>56213958
Have you ever heard of "champagne tastes"? Kick that shit to the curb and compromise like the rest of us do.

>mfw I have 2 WD 4TB Reds for a NAS that's been sitting there for 4 years and still runs like butter

File: 20160822_224013[1].jpg (2MB, 2560x1920px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2560x1920px

>>56213991
>see here
translation
>Magnettinen eteläkohtio =magnetic southpole
>Siperian magnettinen alue=Siperian magnetic area
>magneettinen pohjoiskohtio= Magnetic north pole

>>56214032
Anything larger than 2TB has exponential failure rates

>>56214059
>Have you ever heard of "champagne tastes"? Kick that shit to the curb and compromise like the rest of us do.
wtf idiot a 4 TB drive is like $150 it's fucking nothing

>>56213983
> :^)
Sorry m8
War, war never changes and sometimes friendlies get shot
>>56214074
Any finn wondering this
I'm sorry

>>56214078
HGST is fine

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q2-2016/

>>56213655
That definitely happened but I think the parts shortages affected other vendors too.

In any case
>there are people that don't run the short/long drive self tests from their vendors when they get them, 30 days out, and annually thereafter
Asking for it.

>>56210386
Blackblaze is a fucking meme. They stuck 40+ drives in a shitty enclosure they acknowledge had way more vibration then they or the drive manufacturers ever intended, ran enterprise workloads on consumer drives, and often got drives that were "shucked" (e.g. stripped from external enclosures) and returned/open box/refurbished. Their data is of little interest to anyone other than themselves.

Also of note - they purchased shitloads of a 3TB Seagate drive that had a lot of problems because it was easy to "shuck" from costco purchases (they'd give people a prepaid label to ship the drive and then $5-$10 once they got it) which totally distorts the failure statistics.

It's interesting as a dataset for them but not meaningful in any way.

>>56210670
>new at this job
>surveillance server is barely working
>check it
>FUCKING WD GREENS

I'm surprised this shit is still alive

>>56214093
You're talking about needing porn in 1080p. Your standards cost you extra. What the hell for?

>>56209787

Whats wrong with Noctua nigger?

>>56214059
>I'm just speaking from experience when I say most tv isn't worth watching again.
I disagree.
>Nothing amounts to 10,000 episodes
The fuck are you on about?
>And why would you shuffle all of that shit anyway?
Why wouldn't I?

>>56214133
jeez those are some sour grapes

as long as i don't run out of hard drive space it costs fucking nothing extra

File: 1.jpg (208KB, 1800x1800px) Image search: [Google]

208KB, 1800x1800px

>>56213389
>>56213502
Back when I transferred my ~350 DVDs of backups, about 1/4th were unreadable, including ones that were fine half a year back. 5 years later when I checked them again, over half were unreadable.

This was a mix of all kinds of discs, including TDK TT02, Ritek and Ridata, JVC, Maxell, and Verbatim Azo. There was no pattern between brands - the shittiest Ritek disc failed only as much in average as the more expensive TDK or Verbatims.

I don't trust DVDs for data since then. HDDs with backups are better. You can recover a surprising amount of data even when they break - just last week, I had a drive explode, and recovered 100% of all data by putting a replacement PCB on it and swapping the boards (15 minute solder job - took a week to get the PCB though).

I have a suspicion that the reason my DVDs died was because of the suitcase I store them in, though. It's one of these cases, and those plastic cd holder bags already had a third of them torn by the time I moved the discs into them from spindles.
I might just switch them to paper holders, just in case.

File: one of the hds.jpg (179KB, 647x583px) Image search: [Google]

179KB, 647x583px

>>56214027
Which one is head parking? I'm retarded.
This is the oldest HD I think.

>>56214143
>The fuck are you on about?
If you weren't trying to respond to other peoples comments you'd know.
>>56214152
>as long as i don't run out of hard drive space it costs fucking nothing extra
You wouldn't run out because you accommodate out of habit.

>>56214201
Load/Unload Cycle Count

188 seems unbelievably low, so I assume the software is misinterpreting the raw value. 0x96B0 is 38576, which is more what I'd expect for 8 years use with head parking enabled. High, but I wouldn't start seriously worrying until it's >100000.

>>56214239
>If you weren't trying to respond to other peoples comments
He was replying to me, fuckwad. I have no clue what he's talking about though.

>>56213999
Can you elaborate? Their performance is much faster than a normal HDD. I encode a lot of video if it can read the source faster maybe I can encode faster? I dunno. But why are they shit?

>>56214252
Forget that, francis. Why do you save porn let alone bloated hi def porn to hard drive?

No one rational does that. Haven't you had a chance to dip your wick yet?

File: 1418322802786.png (225KB, 499x551px) Image search: [Google]

225KB, 499x551px

>>56214251
Thanks a lot anon.
I was really worried I would lose all my weeb shit since I'm really broke atm and can't afford new hardware.

yup, fuck Seagate. Had one and the sata connector port broke and my cable wouldn't click in.

>>56210078
you're seriously still using a drive from 2001? what capacity is it? isn't it really loud and slow?

>>56214302
>Why do you save porn let alone bloated hi def porn to hard drive?
I don't you fucking retard.

>>56213860
>The internet saves most of it for you unless it's copyrighted by tight asses or illegal somehow.

And every time it gets uploaded somewhere, it gets reconverted every single time. After 2-3 uploads, the quality is unwatchable, especially for older ones that predate the HD era.

>>56214328
You don't know if you're on foot or horseback you fucking feeb.

>>56214314
Seeing as you probably have a lot of free time, see if you can get a big stack of DVDRs for cheap. Probably there are people with 100s of them they're never going to use because they are too small now. But with enough patience that's no problem.

>>56214361
I'm in a chair, dumbass.

>>56214372
Go be on a chair elsewhere then. Preferably the closest interstate.

>>56214403
The fuck is your problem?

>>56214367
Yeah I guess I can try to do that and save all that stuff.
Also I checked the others and one is at 199 and the other 201 so yeah the oldest drive seems to be the one that's less fucked.

>>56214302
what's your problem dude there are plenty of other things people do that you could complain about, you just sound like you're jelly that i have porn on my computer

File: samsung 48000 hours.png (111KB, 652x827px) Image search: [Google]

111KB, 652x827px

>>56213991
>High temperatures I guess? I still have a 1TB Samsung still kicking strong. Possible that your read/write heads could have failed from excessive heat. I had 160GB Samsung drives die from that.

Samsung F1-F4 drives were manufactured with a known defect, they made excessive heat that caused them to fail. I think it was either the head motor or the platter motor that failed.

Samsung was god tier before those drives, but the F1 ones had a defect rating of something like a half. Even at work when we bought 2 of them, one usually arrived dead out of the box.

I think they got better by the F4 when they started reducing the RPM on the drives, but then they had crap like the HD204UI firmware bug... I even saw a Samsung drive where the disc motor connector did not make proper connection. The entire drive was unrecognized until I gently pushed the plastic part on that down; after that it worked fine again.

Though for what it is worth, if your drive didn't die in the first 48 hours, and if you had a fan pointed at them, they could keep going on for an incredible amount of time. This 1tb Samsung drive got its first bad sector after 48000+ hours of work. My other 2tb drive had no errors with 41000+ hours clocked, but it had its motor controller IC blown by a voltage spike so I don't trust it anymore for anything other than a monthly backup drive.

File: shot.png (79KB, 899x426px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 899x426px

>>56214027
>>56214201
>>56214251
Oh shit, I have a WD green and I've been using it in my main desktop since 2012, should I be worried? how do you turn the head parking off?

the picture is the info for my drive

>>56214115
>shitloads of a 3TB Seagate drive that had a lot of problems

Yeah I remember a year or so back when you could grab those for like 75€ each, because they were so shit drives.

>>56214461
Already discussed earlier in the thread >>56211799

>>56214201
Windows: Nothing to worry about, head park count is low even after 8 years.

>>56214461
Linux: Head park count is fucked after only 4 years.

>>56214176
I store mine like in the picture since forever, in a drawer in the same tube thing they came in. I had all sorts of problems with CDs in paper or plastic bags to never trust them again. Either cloth or DVD stacks for me.

>>56212398
Once you go black

>>56214201
That should be okay. 38576 head parking slash 21768 power on hours means that the drive parks every half hour on average. Not optimal but not horrible either.

If anything you should move off some frequently used stuff from it, so the drive needs to power-on less frequently.

>>56214596
Understood.
I put all programs and SO on some cheap samsumg ssd, I just leave my music and anime there, so I guess I move the music to the drive with the smallest number then right? Since I listen to it all the time.

>>56214637
Music is small, so store it, or at least your favorites, on more than one drive.

>>56212398
>What's the best and fastest HDD for applications and games?

an SSD.

No, I'm not fucking with you. A 500GB SSD is affordable by today, and unless your work involves cutting and editing large amounts of HD video footage, you won't need more than 500GB for fast access. If you only need it for gaming, then at worst you have to selectively uninstall some older crap from your steam library (big fucking deal, you can download a 50gb game there in the time it takes to watch one episode of your favourite animu).

I mean you could go for two 2tb Toshiba 7200rpm drives in striped raid, but any decent SSD would be way the fuck faster still, especially with NVMe around.

>>56214596
>If anything you should move off some frequently used stuff from it, so the drive needs to power-on less frequently.
I think that is a fantastic result in windows, I have seen a good deal of those types of drivers with about 10-20 head parking for each hour of use. Windows just love to molest every drive from time to time for no reason. Also, every time you try to read the disk smart it will un-park the head.

>>56214637
Your programs should be on the SSD anyway so they launch faster. A decent SSD can launch fucking Photoshop in 4 seconds.

Not sure what I can say about your music, I have separate drives for system, games, documents, music, movies, FTPs, one permanent backup for shadow volumes, and two offline backups for the games/docs/music drives (the distinction is not clear between those, I also have a lot of unsorted crap on the music drive).

>>56214757
productivity software doesn't need to be launched often, just leave it running

>>56214718
Yeah, you are doing something wrong then, for 5 of my 7 drives (of which 1 is an SSD), they have to spin up any time I access them for any reason, since they are used so infrequently that Windows turns them off. 4 if I have music playing.

Setting them to turn off after 30 mins of inactivity does WONDERS for the acoustics.

Once I migrate my games drive to a SSD (I only noticed half a year back that they total to ~220 GB), then I'll have all but 1 of my mechanical drives idling and off when I'm sleeping (that one being the ftp/torrent drive).

>>56214785
>productivity software doesn't need to be launched often, just leave it running

This is the most useful advice I ever saw in shitposting.

I mean yeah you meant it as trolling, but with 16gb ram in an average computer now, it makes you wonder.

Photoshop does tend to eat all of your ram if it can though, so you can't exactly leave it running permanently...

>>56214855
nah i'm serious well if you don't use photoshop often then you don't need to leave it open i guess but like eclipse and mathematica i keep them open even when i'm just shitposting

>>56210078

i still have two WD 640gb drives from 2008 with almost 24/7 uptime on them since i got them, still going strong to this day, and they're in meme raid0 to boot.

>>56214718
Windows by default powers off drives that are unused for 20 minutes.

>>56213418
oh shit a deathstar

>>56215072
I used a Deathstar as my main drive for years before I retired it because it was too small. It was noisy from the start but it worked perfectly.

>>56210473
>>56210525
>>56210582
yfw they got tired of you checking for bad blocks and just fucking nuked the smart data so you couldn't prove it was bad anymore thinking maybe it would shut you up

>>56213522
>What the fuck did that come out of where they're using a centronics connector for a IDE disk?

It's a IDE drive inside a 5.25 mobile rack. Those use scsi-like connectors internally, which is the one you are seeing. I have two like those, one for an IDE drive, one for an oldschool scsi drive (the one that uses 50-pin ide-like ribbon cable).

Got a 500gb 850 the other week for muh gaymen

Rocking it plus a 120gb ssd for Linux

And a 2TB hdd for data.

Feels good

>>56215381
>scsi-like connectors
theyre called centronics connectors

>50-pin ide-like ribbon cable
again, not ide-like

>>56209681
>using it as a desktop drive
I'm glad it's dead

File: 50pinscsi.jpg (41KB, 466x182px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 466x182px

>>56215470
>again, not ide-like

I was talking about two different connectors there, chump. This SCSI connector is similar to IDE no matter what way you spin it.

>>56209681
>Seagate Archive HDD 8000GB
>Archive
>ARCHIVE
>using it as a desktop drive was a bad idea
no shit sherlock

>>56214115
>Blackblaze is a fucking meme. They stuck 40+ drives in a shitty enclosure they acknowledge had way more vibration then they or the drive manufacturers ever intended, ran enterprise workloads on consumer drives, and often got drives that were "shucked" (e.g. stripped from external enclosures) and returned/open box/refurbished. Their data is of little interest to anyone other than themselves.

it's boneheaded to disregard the data just because backblaze put them in bad conditions. if anything it's great to see that most HDDs maintain low failure rates under such conditions.

>>56210078
I use WD blacks in desktop, laptop, even in my NAS as boot drive, they have been going strong since 6-7 years?

They are amazing.
Two of them are even in RAID0.

They always come in smaller sizes, but meh I can rely on them, they have 5yr warranty by stock, and they are fast.

File: 5872539835234.jpg (175KB, 1500x1125px) Image search: [Google]

175KB, 1500x1125px

>>56210768
M-DISC is a '1000 year' dvd archival format.
Anyone tried it? They seem to be pretty cheap.

>>56216622
They are not worth it because HDDs are cheaper.