BSD And Other Things

>>56181128
i don't understand why openbsd still sells CDs when apparently they've been doing it at a loss

this was probably necessary when dial-up was still common but still

>>56181316
It's neat, why stop? I'm going to start buying a set every release, probably going to pick up old sets for every version I've used too just because

>>56181343
i agree that it's neat but god damn

if i wanted to donate i'd send money directly to theo or the foundation

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bsd is for cucks

>>56183178
Will you post this everyday?

>>56183269
He lives for BSD threads, I'm surprised it took him this long to find it.

>>56183269
every day until you learn to stop coming into linux threads, yes

>le cuck license
nobody gives a shit, the developers have a passion for unix and are having fun, the last thing on their mind is the software license

>>56183284
>/g/ is one person

>>56183278
not who you think i am, i'm just a guy hitting back at bsd shills for coming into linux threads with their bullshit. i'll post this and other anti-bsd images every time one of you chucklefucks does that btw.

>>56183178
GET OUT

>>56183300
>"you" can only refer to a singular, not plural
back to india with you, pajeet

>>56183311
We already have a very persistent shitposter, your contributions are not necessary.

>>56183316
only if you bsd shits stop coming in linux threads
deal? i don't even want to come into your cuck thread but i will just to punch your face in.

>>56183345
Kill yourself BSD cuck. You will be driven out of /g/

>>56183330
Either way fuck off

>>56183348
Has it ever occurred to you that they shit up the Linux thread because of how much you Linux faggots shit up these ones? You're just making it even worse.

>>56183355
Good luck with that.

>>56183370
You deserve to be driven out of /g/. Just like how the jews deserved to be killed for killing innocent germans, you deserve to be driven out of /g/.

>>56183355
hey chill, they're /g/ as fuck, we don't want to drive them anywhere, they can have their threads as long as they don't shill their bullshit in linux threads. i don't mind bsd at all, freebsd is decent af.
>>56183370
yes it has, but the effect is worse in our larger threads because of the shit/signal ratio effect or something

>>56183396
Sure thing bud. Just do both threads a favor and stop posting.

>>56183390
Go fuck the air hole in a basketball, needle dick.

>>56183370
Please excuse >>56183355, as a fellow linux user I apologise in his name, don't let his aggressive behaviour get to your and don't think the linux community is behind it. Have a nice day!

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Oh shit I'm too late

>>56183412
well i don't post a lot anyway, i lurk and sometimes help retards out but then some anti-linux shithead comes in with his chucklefuckery and ruins it for everyone and it's not cool at all

don't worry about that other faggot, i like bsd and don't want you to go anywhere, stay on /g/, just tell other bsd people not to behave like pajeets and niggers.

>>56183452
Get to you*

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>>56183426
>BSD software can be legally relicensed under GPL
>BSD cuckolds will defend this cuckoldry

Fellow Linux master race, let's move back and leave /BSD/ alone

>>56183519
>BSD software can be legally relicensed under GPL
What's the issue? Can't stand the freedom?

>>56183519
they can fork it and license it back and the cycle repeats ad infinitum, what's your point, dipshit? i feel bad to even defend bsd, i'm leaving this dumb thread now. there are a fair amount of chucklefucks on both sides of the fence i guess.

>>56183536
No, nobody wants it and they're part of the cancer killing /g/

>>56183563
/BSD/ > pile of shit > GPU theads

>>56183563
>shitposter says people discussing technology on a technology board are the cancer
top kek

>>56183563
fuck off retard. the cancer killing /g/ is
-consumerist cunts
-politics-loving cunts with their talk of sjws and trump and clinton

bsdfags are stupid for using a cuck OS but they're still bros, no one wants them gone except a dipshit like you who no one wants on /g/ anyway, fucking twat.

>>56183575
>>56183587
BSD cuckoldry and GPU threads are both cancerous and must be purged

>>56183612
Okay, kid.

>>56183612
GNU/BSD exists

>>56183575
>>56183608
This. There are 5 GPU threads made each eay, or at least it seems that way.

>>56183612
stop embarrassing people who use linux you fucking twatshite

>>56183519
>entire projects licensed under the GPL, not just the forks, can be hijacked by a bearded parrotfucking GNU/paedophile against the original author's will
>GNU cuckolds will defend this cuckoldry

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>>56183178
Can some one actually explain the picture?

>>56183672
No, not even OC

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How can I write random data or zero over all the free space on my disk? I'm running OpenBSD 5.9.

>>56183311
i see my comparison to barneyfag has been very apt

>>56183856
dd if=/dev/urandom > /dev/sd"XY"

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>>56183896
On a scale from "1" to "Arch Linux", where "1" is very safe and "Arch Linux" is very unstable, how safe is it to do this on OpenBSD?

>>56183856
Have you tried dd'ing from /dev/zero the same amount of bytes as free space you have?

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>>56183943
Haven't tried anything yet.

>>56183939
That is a keyboard-chair-interface metric, as always is when using dd

Just switch to Linux already

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>>56183939
>>56183856

>>56184004
There's the shitposter I was waiting for. Go fuck a chainsaw sideways.

>>56184016
Nope, I actually want FreeBSD to become as mainstream as Linux

>>56184032
Then why shitpost in a BSD thread?

>>56184047
I'm not the only one who shitposts

>>56184008
He wants to write on the free space, not on everything

>>56183959
df will give you the free space amount
dd will take bytes from its if= parameter and shove them into its of= parameter or stdout

You want the target file to be a new file in a directory MOUNTED IN THE PARTITION, no the partition itself.

>>56184051
That doesn't answer my question.

>>56184063
My shitposts are indirectly "benificial". I'm surprised you can't distinguish my posts

>>56184082
Shitting up the thread is in no way beneficial.

>>56184082
beneficial*

>>56184082
You are the one who appears to have replied to the wrong post in this thread. Please consider pkg_add kys

>>56184060

$ df
Filesystem  512-blocks      Used     Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/wd0a      2057756    106500   1848372     5%    /
/dev/wd0k    624161904    923440 592030376     0%    /home
/dev/wd0d      8250780       128   7838116     0%    /tmp
/dev/wd0f      4122108    745688   3170316    19%    /usr
/dev/wd0g      2057756    429320   1525552    22%    /usr/X11R6
/dev/wd0h     20636924   2247260  17357820    11%    /usr/local
/dev/wd0j      4122108         4   3916000     0%    /usr/obj
/dev/wd0i      4122108         4   3916000     0%    /usr/src
/dev/wd0e     24286588     22324  23049936     0%    /var
/dev/sd0i     61929920  49805344  12124576    80%    /mnt/usb

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we just need a friendly *BSD thread


these threads are always full of assholes

Anyone figure out how to make screenfetch-dev work without bash in ksh? I haven't looked at it

>>56184126
Take the partition you want to fill. The third column shows the free space in half-kiB's. Yell -k at df so it reports in full-kiB's instead, and grep it for the partition or mountpoint you want. For example:

df -k | grep /home

>>56184216
*fourth column, because I can't count

I have done some reading and I can't figure out how to keep track of package dependencies in OpenBSD. For instance if I installed xfce, pkg_delete has no option to remove all of the xfce components that are installed along with XFCE. How do you manage dependencies on your system?

>>56184302
I'm used to using aptitude which has features for keeping track of and removing dependencies btw

>>56183939
there's a reason dd is referred to as "Disk Destroyer" by some

>>56184216
Something like this?

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/wd0k/wellBehavedOperation.png bs=1M count=294157020

>>56184126
anon is ded?

>>56184387
>>56184388
I converted wrong but what about the syntax

>>56184302
pkg_delete -a should remove all orphans

>>56184388
>>56184387
Anon isnt ded

>>56184387
Nope, something more like of=/home/bargagefile

>>56184414
>>56184437
Also you could use bs=1024 and you can take what df -k said without any conversion needed

>>56184436
this doesn't seem to work. I test it on VLC for instance. VLC installed a lot of dependencies and took some time.

After removing it with pkg_delete -a and then re-installing it, the dependencies were not re-installed (because they were not removed)

how do YOU manager your dependencies?

>>56184476
Thanks I will try it later

>>56184512
did you install something else that depends on those?

pkg_info could probably tell you something, but im not at home right now

>>56184571
no, this is a fresh install. I can test it on any package.

according to the man page for pkg_info
"-R Show which packages require a given package."

however running pkg_info -R packagename returns no results for any package I try.

How do you manage your packages? Do you manage your own dependencies?

>>56184656
no, openbsd does

i'll try what you're doing when i get back

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>>56183311
You are my hero.

>>56184718
You are shitposting.

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Fuck the BSD shitposter.

>>56184683
you've dodged my question three times now.

if you can't tell me off the top of your head how you get rid of un-needed dependencies, you don't remove them at all. that or you have been running pkg_remove -a, and assuming it removes your dependencies (you didn't check to see if it works.) according to man you need to flag the package as manually installed prior to removing it

# from man pkg_delete
     -a             Delete unused dependencies (packages that are not needed
                     by anything tagged as installed manually).  Can be used
                     without pkgnames.  If used with pkgnames, it will only
                     delete non manual installs in the list.

well that's confusing. i better figure out if pkg_add's default behavior is to tag newly installed packages as 'installed manually'

>>56184784
i forgot to mention i have to assume that is not pkg_add's default behavior, as pkg_remove -a is not removing dependencies for packages i have installed so far.. so now, how to tag them as manually installed.. lets see

>>56184776
Fuck off with your divide and conquer attempt.

>>56184784
are you retarded? i DO use pkg_delete -a and it has always worked for me

>>56184827
wew lad the name calling. it hasn't been working for you unless you are manually tagging your installed packages as 'manually installed'. it says it in the man page and i have tested it. how do you install packages? are you using a script?

>>56184824
As the shill apologized on /fglt/ I may as well. We don't really hate the BSD community, we just had a lot of anti-GNU shitposters in the past who shilled BSD.

Peace.

>>56184850
pkg_add is a script

as for the manual tag thing, that refers to the main package, not dependencies, automatic installs ARE the dependencies

>>56184929
>delete unused dependencies (packages that are not needed by anything ((tagged as installed manually))

are you tagging your packages as 'installed manually' in order to make pkg_delete -a work?

because pkg_add automatically tagging things as 'manually installed' does not appear to be default behavior on my system

>>56184965
i never had to tag anything as automatically installed

>>56184980
i think you mean *manually installed

i suggest you check to see if you have a lot of unused dependencies in that case. because on my system, the packages are not automatically tagged as "manually installed" by pkg_add apparently, because pkg_delete -a is not removing dependencies. this is a fresh install of 5.9

lol now im even more confused. i believe pkg_add should by default tag stuff you install as 'manually installed'

given that pkg_add a does this:
"-a Automated package installation; do not record packages as installed manually.
"

>>56185017
i didnt see anything that didnt belong but im not home

>>56185081
when you type "pkg_add xfce", the xfce package is the manually installed one, dependencies are automatic

>>56185278
so how do you tag all automatically installed dependencies as "manually installed"?

accomplishing that seems to be the only way to make
`pkg_delete -a` actually delete dependencies..

also, how do YOU manage your dependencies? assuming you aren't the other fellow I asked

>>56185316
no idea if you can do it all automatically, but there must be a way to mark one by one

i think the pkg tools can take some stuff from stdin, so maybe you could write a text file

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SOLVED!

From manpage pkg_add:
"""
Manual installation

pkg_add differentiates between packages specified on the command line, and packages installed automatically because of inter-dependencies: the first kind will be tagged as `installed manually'. The -a option is used internally by the ports(7) infrastructure and dpb(1) to handle dependencies.

It is also possible to tweak the `installed manually' status of a package after the fact. Running pkg_add on an already installed package will tag it as `installed manually', even if it was already there as a dependency of something else, and doubling the -a option will remove the `installed manually' tag from installed packages.

pkg_info(1) can be used to show only manually-installed packages, and pkg_delete(1) can be used to remove dependencies when they are no longer needed.
"""

Alright.. So there is not way to manage dependencies by associating them with the package they were supporting. Running pkg_add on already installed dependencies would tag them as `installed manually` but would not help automate finding or removing them.

Best practice appears to be keeping a list (or checking your logs) for the dependencies you install and then manually removing them after you remove a package.

now where the hell is the log file that shows the activity of pkg_add

>>56186096
What are you trying to accomplish?

pkg_add foo adds foo and dependents bar and baz. foo will be marked as manual, bar and baz as automatic. pkg_delete foo will remove foo, leaving bar and baz. pkg_delete -a will then delete bar and baz - assuming nothing else is using them.

>>56186096
>now where the hell is the log file that shows the activity of pkg_add
/var/log/messages

but you don't need it, because of what >>56186552 said

>>56186552
I was trying to use pkg_delete -a incorrectly and getting confused. e.g. # pjkg_delete -a packagename

>>56186772
Oh, that happened to me too the first time I realized -a existed.

>>56186783
do you know where the log file is for package management? something like aptitude's log that shows when you installed what

>>56186940
It's like the other anon said, /var/log/messages.

grep for pkg

>>56186955
is there a better place to look at what dependencies are installed on a system

>>56187059
pkg_info -m should show what was manually installed

i don't know why there's no option for the other way around, honestly sounds like something that should be done but no one understands perl

>>56187083
also pkg_info -R foo should tell you if something depends on a the specified package

thx

Honestly though, why should I use BSD?

>>56187257
Because you want to

>>56187257
There are 4 major BSD projects. Only one of them WANTS YOU to use IT. That's FreeBSD. Go check their website out if you want to here their pitch.

>>56187059
pkg_delete -an will show you what would be deleted if you ran pkg_delete -a (but doesn't actually delete it)

>>56187538
nice

>>56187257
not even gonna answer this question since it's mostly an excuse to start shitposting

>>56183178
Stop fucking posting this, this is 100% wrong for bsd bullshit mentality. I am NOT happy with this.

Goes like this instead:
>Use BSD! Linux sucks! (I'M FUCKING BETTER THAN YOU)
>Well I would, but, I need this particular type of software
>What? I don't use that, so nobody else does.
>really what about 99% of business/internet/everyone
>"All cancer after 1995, I'm fucking better than you"
>time passes
>"Nobody needs any software so BSD is perfectly fine"
BSD is 100% unironically what people troll linux to be

bsdcuck.us is only 88 cents on namecheap

What product shilling would bsd spergs be interested in buying so I can make money off this by first baiting them with "bsd is shit" posts

>>56183178
EPIC MAYMAY

>>56183656
This.

>>56184776
Epic maymay, Richard.
Now you have to go. Emacs needs a patch to work in Windows.

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I posted here a few days ago.
I'm considering a UNIX system for my next laptop or something.

But I'm also interested in developing for UNIX at some point, specifically my own UNIX-based system.

However, I had heard that there were some problems with the way UNIX handles certain things, like POSIX signals or something. I'm just curious, what should I list out to improve upon if/when I start a project like this?

I understand there MAY be complications getting it UNIX-certified if I fuck with this, but whenever I get to this project, I'd be very happy if it could even be the "New UNIX", the perfected UNIX. Or, if that doesn't fly, UNIX-like is still acceptable, a descendant of UNIX.

>>56189124
i thought perfected UNIX was supposed to be plan 9

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>>56189139
oh shit, that does look pretty good. Especially UTF-8 native. I wanted to do that, actually.

Does anyone still WORK ON Plan 9, though? If I get UNIX, I NEED up-to-date drivers and shit.
Also, where can I download it?

>>56189192
im surprised that you posted cirno and you don't know about 9front, a fork by some fanatics

it's not worth using other than for the "oh, neat" factor though

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>>56189213
actually i should add that the most obnoxious thing about plan 9 is how different it is from UNIX in some ways

>let's make UNIX 2!
>but wait let's make sure ls behaves really strangely first
>let's make simple tasks like adding users needlessly difficult

also holy shit the captcha

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>>56189213
Well, I've always been Windows, but random bullshit problems are starting to piss me off about it.

I rice the fuck outta my system for Cirno, though.
I'm one of those type of
>fanatics
>pic related

>>56189239
Hmmm, what makes it so different?
I've actually only had some experience with Linux, but I refuse to develop for Linux because of the GPL.
I would literally rather create an entire system from scratch than work with the GPL.

BSD licenses would work for me, though, same way they worked for Apple. Though with less sweatshop workers wanting to kill themselves, because Apple is Satan

>>56189356
Did I see this on /jp/?

Is that true that BSD doesn't suffer screen tearing like Linux does?

>>56189356
>Hmmm, what makes it so different?
literally almost everything works differently despite the fact that it's meant to be a UNIX successor, it's kind of annoying, that's probably why it never took off either

it's a neat historical artifact, some of its ideas were even implemented in other Unices (like the /proc file system)

i also love the two editors (sam and acme) and the plumber concept

>>56189375
It was meant to work differently. It was meant to NOT be a Unixlike.

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>>56189371
You might have. I frequent /g/ and /b/ mostly, but I also post and lurk /a/, /jp/, /u/, /h/, and /e/.

Sometimes, I also show up on /x/, but /x/ is complete shit for at least the last 3 years.... I just go back from time to time to see if it improved, but usually it just makes me wanna vomit out my ass instead.

>>56189375
Hmmm, I'll look into it, definitely, but that 9front thing seems like a website outta the late 90s as a joke or something.

I can't find dates regarding releases or anything...

Is it updated, or has the system pretty much died?

>>56189438
>Is it updated, or has the system pretty much died?
you could say it's zombified, and yes the 9front people don't take themselves very seriously but it DOES work

http://9front.org/iso/

keep in mind that if you use virtualbox, you have to install it using hjfs, i believe

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>>56189452
>you could say it's zombified
I'm not sure how to take that, actually.
Do you mean like it has some people who still work on it, but there's no longer a team or anything? And it's only updated infrequently?

>yes the 9front people don't take themselves very seriously but it DOES work
Hmmm, well I could give it a try

>keep in mind that if you use virtualbox, you have to install it using hjfs, i believe
Yeah, if I'm gonna test different systems for my next machine, this would definitely be on a VM first.

I'll write down that info for when I actually get my next machine.

>>56189484
>Do you mean like it has some people who still work on it, but there's no longer a team or anything? And it's only updated infrequently?
yeah, it's just hobbyists pretty much

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>>56189495
hmmm. Alright then. I'll give it a go on a VM or a stick or something, but I would need something updated pretty regularly for a primary OS.

I'll probably go with FreeBSD or NetBSD.

Also to be a bit more on topic, Theo apparently planned to use the Plan 9 compilers in base to replace GCC at some point. Would've probably been WAY easier to maintain, but unfortunately Lucent gave it a retarded license, from what I heard.

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>>56189544
Hmmm, that's another project I wanna do at some point... actually make a compiler that would at least be as good as GCC, but not GCC or GPL.
>Even though not GPL, freeware or something. I don't have a problem with FREE, I have a problem with COPYLEFT. But all development tools really should be free.

Anyway, I g2g for now.

Thanks for all your help, /g/uys

Does nouveau work any better on FreeBSD than Linux? Also how are things like the CPU governor set up, does it have something that isn't outdated shit like ondemand? I doubt it though, but it makes me sad how shit the standard install for most distros needs so much tweaking to make it efficient and modern

>>56189373
Lmao no
it doesn't even have wayland or driver

>>56189356
>I've actually only had some experience with Linux, but I refuse to develop for Linux because of the GPL.
Interjection.gif
>I would literally rather create an entire system from scratch than work with the GPL.
You seem to have a lot of unreasonable hate in you, that's not healthy.
>BSD licenses would work for me, though, same way they worked for Apple.
So you mean you want to make shit proprietary and not give back?

>>56191631
>Interjection
Autism

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>>56184776
EBIN XD

>>56181128
Can someone give me the list of supported hardware for OpenBSD or what hardware has full support? I just wanna install my it on my pc but I have no idea what works and what doesn't.

>>56188363
Too bad FreeBSD can use Linux binaries.

>>56188363
>BSD is 100% unironically what people troll linux to be

Most of these memes really only apply to OpenBSD. There are a couple of other BSD's out there which are way different from OpenBSD and have much larger support. FreeBSD, for one.

>>56193692
He's just a troll let him be.

>>56187257
It's actually UNIX like, compared to the bastardisation that is Linux. It uses a package manager similar to a lot of good package managers in Linux (in fact most of them were inspired by BSD's package management, Gentoo's portage was directly inspired by FreeBSD's package manager). You want to use clang instead of gcc (there may be linux distros out there with clang, but most of them use gcc as the main default c compiler).

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I've always felt that the *BSD community is more concerned with writing good code than licensing issues. Which is pretty much the main complaint.

Also, seeing how many shitposting linux-cucks are on this board, I can see why there is not a lot of BSD support.

>>56195804
>implying winblows and appletards don't shitpost just as much

>>56189356
>I would literally rather create an entire system from scratch
too bad you don't know how

>>56193420
go to man.openbsd.org and look for the pci and usb manpages

that should cover it

>you'll never have computers with esoteric archs to try BSDs on

>>56195358
>Real Unix meme
As if you'd notice a difference anyway
>Uses package manager similar to Linux
You mean like the ones already on Linux with far more package support?
Where do I get started!

>>56193692
What's the other one?

>>56183178
top kek

>>56197643
fuck off

>>56197643
Fuck off pajeet

>>56198110
Will you stop replying to this windows shill? He's trying to divide up UNIX users on this board so windows can invade easier. He's moving on to BSD because it's harder to divide GNU/Linux now.

>tfw the shitposter is trying hard on reddit right now
and the funny thing is he accused anyone who disagreed with him of being a redditor

>>56198203
He's actually on reddit?

>>56198212
yes, he is

his username is fuckBSDuseGPL

maybe he's trying to undermine GPL, i don't know

>>56198225
And how do you know the very shitposter in this thread is this guy? He looks like some run of the mill shitposter.

>>56198253
"BSD users are cucks" isn't tipping you off?

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>>56198110
>>56198169
I can't except that my passions hold no values.

>>56198264
Calling BSD a cuck license and a cuck OS isn't a recent thing. Maybe it is some guy who's shitposted here before, but I'm not seeing anything convincing.

>>56198279
*accept oops

>>56198281
no, it is very recent and pretty exclusive to this thread

it's easy to tell trolls apart by writing style. for example, the phoronix troll was very obvious when he started moving to other venues

>>56198371
>very recent
it's a year old, which is pretty sad

also lol @ the anon thinking that saying cuck this and cuck that isn't a new phenomenon by 12 yrs old children

>>56198371
If you say so anon, just make sure to archive his posts and threads incase he decdies to nuke everything later.

>>56198396
It's two years old. How long do you consider recent? I stop considering something recent after a year or so.

>>56198415
First time "cuck license" appeared on /g/ was January 2015, it's just a year and a half.

>>56198457
I thought cuck meme started being used around april of 2014, must be newer than I thougth it was.

>>56198503
I'm sure the cuck meme is older, but calling BSD users and the license cucks isn't.

>>56197595
There's nothing stopping you from picking one up

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Is PC-BSD the best way to try Lumina?

>56198879
Or should I just try TrueOS on a VM?

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Anyone here has tried Lumina DE?

>>56181128
Why is the IRC channel #baot and not #bsd?

>>56199086
Bsd And Other Things

>>56183311
Some times feel like my life is a meme, but then I see people like you

>>56199116
What does the "other things" refer to? OS X?

Trying OpenBSD for the first time today, wish me luck gents.

>>56199179
OS X falls under BSD, not sure what "Other Things" is for, I'm not OP.

>>56199196
MacBooks

>>56199221
Nice try, but macbooks belong under /fag/

Any proper android emulators?

Is anyone here running NetBSD as their main desktop? Why did you choose it over FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

>all these deleted posts
based mods

>>56198743
Are PPC macs expensive?

>>56199353
Not really, you can get many for under $100. I've got ~10 of them

>>56198879
They develop it, so I suppose so. I think it's pretty bad IMO but it's still an alpha.

>>56199180
Good luck, and remember that man pages and the FAQ are your friends.

>>56189373
I think that's mostly a platform agnostic problem that mostly exists because of Xorg itself.

BSD is dead as soon as aboriginal linux goes MIT/Linux

>>56184008
>typical arch user post
>keep it simple and lightweight

posts a 1.5MB image of an arch wiki page instead of a simple link which would have taken a few bytes.

>>56200360
i know thunar and pcmanfm are pretty lightweight, but i don't know if they can fill the function you're looking for

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>>56183656
>>56189356
>>56189626
>>56192744
This why every time I come here I ended up sick.

Instead of spiting at the GPL the BSD community should prove is not full of anti-FSF bigots.

Come on, I know many of you are good people, stop the bad publicity between the BSD community and the FSF/GPL.

>>56201135
they tend to start it, to be honest with you

>>56201145
I've been in fglt and some idiot started the anti-FSF idiocy trying to promote BSD.

And is not like "they started" is the way of solving this anon, step up.

>>56201182
i never shitposted in any linux threads, but i do think the FSF sucks ass

if you want to donate to a good cause, donate to the EFF

>>56201551
Neither, if you want to donate for a good cause, donate for your community.
If your community is shit, then move and invest on a worthy community.

>>56181316
>apparently they've been doing it at a loss

why is this apparent? or you're just an idiot?

>>56202996
theo's been complaining about it for years, asshole

>>56201135
Fuck you GNU shitfucker, and the street you poo in.

>>56203151
bullshit they've had regular releases for almost 20 years. developers actually have jobs.

>>56203989
>No, it's not worth it.
That's an actual quote from Theo himself when asked about the CDs. He literally does it just because it's a fun idea.

Theo himself is unemployed, too.

>>56199911
So cute. Do ypu also save animals amd trees by going full vegan?

>>56204893
>amd trees
you must be /g/ay

>>56205167
OpenBSD reporting in. I've got a server I never use running FreeBSD, probably going to switch it to OpenBSD or NetBSD once I get it up and running again.

>>56205167
openbsd here

>>56205167
Neither of those. I use DragonflyBSD.

>tfw using the hipster OS of hipster systems

xD

>>56205247
Hahaha, I knew someone would get butt blasted with "muh work". DragonflyBSD actually isn't half bad though.

>>56205278
I don't know, it always struck me as an experimental operating system, it doesn't sound like something I'd want to use on a daily basis.

>>56205293
Actually it's pretty comfortable. It uses the same packages as FreeBSD so software isn't a problem, it has support for the latest intel architectures like skylake and the haswell-e processors which OpenBSD is currently lacking. I don't know why is it so obscure compared to other BSD's but it isn't bad at all. It uses a different kernel though, and is designed to run clusters and servers with multi processor setups.

>>56205167
OpenBSD so far.
I've been going back and forth whether to switch from OpenBSD to FreeBSD.

I like OpenBSD because it's very basic. You install it, maybe get mtier's binpatches. And then use what you need... In my case httpd...

That being said httpd is pretty hacky (as you'd expect from someone making a webserver out of software that wasn't intended to be a webserver from the beginning.) I'm having some issues getting screenshots to embed in a timely mannor with discord... Which won't even embed if you use https... Which is another thing, automating let's encrypt certificates was a pain.

You might say, "just install nginx or apache on OpenBSD" but what keeps me wanting to stay is because I don't know if people work on nginx to keep it as secure as httpd tries to be. Double edge sword httpd is... Secure by default via being as simple as possible... However its simplicity makes it difficult to do the things people used to take for granted (like custom 404 pages ...)

>>56205699
My only real complaint about httpd is there's no real way to turn off chroots.

Apart from that, it's solid. Serves pages and runs CGI scripts, it's what you'd expect a web server to do and nothing more.

>>56205712
I don't understand why the screenfetch dev couldn't make it portable.

So fucking dumb.

>>56205698
It has more than one use case, that's just one of them. It has a lot of kernel optimizations to do virtualisation, run multi processor setups etc. at the same time it tries to be a very general purpose system that's functional out of the box like OpenBSD or FreeBSD. Most of the software it uses are FreeBSD ports, but it has a bunch of it its own software.

>>56205717
Very very true. However we sorta disagree about chroots

I actually love the fact it chroots. I don't see why a webserver SHOULDN'T chroot. That being said, I know nginx was once the default webserver. But it's hard to switch over to it when you know it's not the default anymore... Meaning chances are, it's not going to receive the same love httpd gets.

DESU I don't even know if nginx vanilla supported chroots...

>>56205770
I don't think there's such a thing as a file manager that does that without some kind of toolkit dependency, I'm afraid.

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>>56205712
I wrote a small script for it since I was sick of needing Bash just for screenfetch. It may not have ascii art but it gets the job done. It's probably not written as well as it could be but hey, it was my first shell script.

#!/bin/sh
## OpenBSD-only at the moment
##

# Manufacturer
echo "Manufacturer:\t $(sysctl -n hw.vendor)"

# Device model
echo "Model:\t\t $(sysctl -n hw.product)"

# CPU model & clock
echo "CPU:\t\t $(sysctl -n hw.model)" | sed 's/CPU //g;s/(TM)//g;s/(R)//g;s/@.*//g'

# CPU temp
echo "CPU temp:\t $(sysctl -n hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 | sed 's/'.00'//g')"

# Total RAM (megabytes)
echo "RAM:\t\t $(dc -e ''$(sysctl -n hw.physmem)d1048576/n'[MiB]p')"

# OS
echo "OS:\t\t $(uname -srm)"

# Uptime
echo "Uptime:\t\t $(uptime | sed ';s/,.*//;s/^.*up //;')"

# Packages
echo "Packages:\t $(pkg_info | wc -l | sed 's/[^0-9]*//g')"

# Shell
echo "Shell:\t\t" $SHELL | sed 's#/bin/##g'

>>56205779
I think this should work in all the other BSDs, since they all make use of sysctl, no?

>>56205793
I'm not really sure, I only really know about OpenBSD. Worth a shot though, shouldn't be too hard to fix if anything.

>>56205870
https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch/blob/master/screenfetch-dev
well it's all here

maybe i could try adding it in

>>56205899
I've been meaning to get around to that

>>56205870
How can white women even compete?

>>56205972
autism

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>>56205943
>>56205972

>>56206092
welcome to the unfortunate reality of modern software

>>56205972
What is that in their mouths?

>>56183390
>jews
>>>/pol/

>>56206092
How are you browsing with all these bloats?

>>56183390
Wow what a surprise, the shitposter who keeps shitting up BSD threads for no reason is a dumbass from /pol/.

>>56184126
I like how OpenBSD segregates X11 in its own partition.

>>56206330
that's how unsafe X11 is

>>56206339
It's not because it's unsafe it's because it has a tendency to break other things.

>>56206339
Wayland when?

>>56206349
It's been in development for like 5 years now and it's still very experimental. The closest thing you can get to a 'working' wayland experience (it still is buggy and breaks a lot) is gnome and enlightenment.

>>56206444
What bugs did you encounter?

>>56206464
I don't use wayland or a desktop environment, I'm just parroting other people's experiences with it. Everybody says it's too unstable for desktop use and the team developing it says so as well. You can go and try it out for yourself, but I can't stand how gnome looks.

>>56206482
Apart from not being able to take screenshots, Arch GNOME works great here

>>56206444
Next fedora release which I think is 25 will use Wayland by default. More people using Wayland the better

>>56208165
Yeah wayland definitely needs more beta testers, I can't remember where I read it but I heard gnome is going to fully drop x and just be full wayland very soon or something like that.