BSD And Other Things

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>mfw poor people using free software

>>56166393
Although I don't quite like OpenBSD I came here to remind you of your place

Go back >>>/v/

Why is the OpenBSD FAQ so much smaller and so much more useless now? A lot of good information was cut out.

>>56167416
What information specifically did you find yourself missing?

If any useful stuff got deleted that's bad but most of it was outdated things like "how do I handle systems without lowercase characters"

>>56167576
The section that you could show GNU/Linux users, and the very first section cut the number of man page links for beginners by half.

>>56166375
Does anyone have a link to the Openbsd mailist discussion where Stallman was told and told again?

How long will have to wait to see Wayland in OpenBSD?

>>56168295
Never. OpenBSD doesn't have packages

>>56168317
Epic maymay.

>>56168336
Qbittorrent

>>56167760
Was it the one where he was claiming that openbsd RECOMMENDS non-free software?

it happened more than once, theo can be a funny motherfucker though
>Away, Satan.

>>56167730
>The section that you could show GNU/Linux users
can you clarify that?

>>56168363
then make a port, fag

a volunteer project is useless without volunteers

>>56168380
>then make a port
And I thought OpenBSD was "secure"

t. one of "the shitposter" :^)

>>56168394
>And I thought OpenBSD was "secure"
what does that even have to do with creating a port

are you the shitposter who's obviously an ESL?

>>56168394
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>56168409
What is an ESL?

>>56168412
Ports are not audited thoroughly :^)

>>56168427
>What is an ESL?
an ESL is what you are, obviously

>Ports are not audited thoroughly :^)
no shit, idiot

their motto is "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!", not "Only two remote holes in an install full of shit software, in a heck of a long time!"

either way it has nothing to do with openbsd's lack of qbittorrent and you're just trying to find reasons to shitpost

>>56168452
>an ESL is what you are, obviously
What am I?

Also,
>their motto is "will make a very few selection of packages secure and the rest can stay vulnerable and users will be forced to use it. At least our stuff is okay"


>No qbittorrent ANYWHERE
Do you realise what kind of a shit OS this is
Okay now you must be thinking emulation or virtualization

WINE doesn't work in OpenMEME
Linux compat won't work in OpenMEME
Vt-d won't work in OpenMEME

What is it good for?

>>56168501
>What am I?
google it

>Wine
shit
>Linux compat
shit
>vt-d
don't know what it is

by the way i think it's funny that you think the openbsd team should somehow be responsible for how secure software in the wild should be, but what else did i expect from a shitposting retard

>>56168518
>>vt-d
>don't know what it is
Yeah, just like you don't know what it feels like to perfectly virtualize softwares

>Doesn't have native softwares
>Cannot do heavy virtualization
Garbage/10

>>56168543
why is it that every time you come here you argue one point and never argue the others or you change subjects completely

go port qbittorrent yourself, autist

>inb4 muh photoshop

>>56168563
>have to port /probably the most common torrent client/
wow

And no, I am asking what the OS is good for

>>56168579
>have to port software
No shit sherlock.png

>>56168579
you do know that most of the time that the porting work, if the original devs weren't retarded, is simply writing a makefile that tells the ports system to fetch and build the package, right

>>56168579
either way, no you aren't asking what the OS is good for, and openbsd has transmission

people want software they like, they port it themselves, weird how volunteer projects work huh

>>56168518
>openbsd team should somehow be responsible for how secure software in the wild should be
May be they need to stop moaning like a porn star and actually forking all essential softwares before pretending their OS is remotely usable?

>>56168623
what is this essential software then

they have their own httpd, they have their own mail server, they have their own ntpd, and they have this thing you may have heard of, openssh

>>56168394
BSD's style is instead just to say "I don't need that, so you don't" and then never have one.

haha bsd doesn't even have a fucking torrent client, just looked that up, this lines up perfectly with your average bsd user piece of shit who just claims the net is bad after 1995 so it would make sense that it ignores torrents completely. Ironically it seems like the only things bsdrones can say online is "please use bsd!" while also at the same time saying the net is shit.

waiting for the "we don't want a torrent client in bsd because it would ruin bsd's purity and elegantness" or some shit like that

>>56168663
http://openports.se/net/transmission
just shut the fuck up already

freebsd also has qbittorrent and PROBABLY has transmission as well

>>56168621
Transmission doesn't have RSS feeds
Transmission doesn't have Sequential downloads
Transmission doesn't have catagorization
Transmission doesn't have file priority
Trasmission WebUI is lacks the most basic features

qBittorrent is a FREE and OPEN-SOURCE project, shouldn't be that hard to include it into main repo.

>>56168678
>shouldn't be that hard to include it into main repo.
then go and do it ;^)

>Trasmission WebUI is lacks the most basic features
>is lacks
don't tell me you're not an ESL, pajeet

>>56168639
>they have their own httpd, they have their own mail server, they have their own ntpd, and they have this thing you may have heard of, openssh
That all?

How about WPS office, VMWare, Foxit reader, Skype, Steam...

>>56168690
>then go and do it ;^)
Where are your devs? Watching anime? :^^)

>>56168713
>How about WPS office, VMWare, Foxit reader, Skype, Steam...
>hurr fork this closed source software, openbsd devs
literally retarded, i'm not even gonna reply to you anymore

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>WE'LL LOCK DOWN EVERYTHING OUR HALF ASSED ''OS'' IS ''SECURE''

>WE WON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IF USERS ARE FORCED TO USE PORTS BECAUSE OUR REPO LACKS PACKAGES

based theo the reddit

>>56168723
this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'll give you that this is /g/ and you'll pretend to have a psuedo-problem with skype and steam, but come the fuck on, no fucking office package, no virtualising? are you serious?

there is no way this isn't hipster contrarian shit

>>56168766
I would be fine with it

But the hippies removed WINE LMAO

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Meanwhile

Hey at least someone ported Cinnamon kek

>>56168804
>he's this desperate that he needs to post constantly when someone stops replying

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>>56168814
>He replied
tip top kek, don't ever interrupt my BSD experience, anon

>>56168833
btw no one likes PC-BSD

>>56168839
I love this meme.

Now, does OpenBSD focus on desktop usage?

I'm sorry I am being hostile but come on, removing Linux compat was a mistake, you are deliberately hindering your progress, OBSD fags. Learn from FreeBSD at least

>>56168875
yeah, learn from the OS that has holes in its update process and terrible defaults

anyway, emulation layers are cancer, they just allow people to be lazy, and i'd even go as far to say that it discourages open source software

why port something to linux when wine exists? might as well close the source too so no one can do it for us

>>56168804
>1366x768

>>56167760
What was he told particularly?

>>56168964
R8 my font, faggot

>>56168923
Well WINE applications do not interect with shell as much so porting is a plus.

>>56168997
mostly to fuck off with his off-topic noise

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>>56168964
Oh forgot the picture :^(

>>56169019
That isn't the correct fallacy. Should be taken as an appeal to the ridicule instead.
GNUcucks and their pretension of intellectual superiority amuses me.

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>>56169060
You never told me how's my font..

>>56169019
>muh strawman
as if you didn't do that all the time

>>56169078
Trust me on this, I only get the chance to shitpost thrice a week.

>>56169072
>ad homimen
That could work IF my post was written with the last line. After tackling the principal argument, you can spicy your rethoric with insults.
Keep trying, :^)

>>56169091
Also, don't forget I keep your thread alive :^)

>>56169131
>implying you don't make them like the little barneyfag wannabe that you are

What's the point of these threads?

>>56169389
i use BSD and you tell me

>>56169389
Linux isn't the only free OS. What's wrong in having choices?

>>56169402
>>56169394
I understand that, but I meant none of these threads ever really achieve anything. It's always the same thing every single time it's created.

>BSD has no softwares
>Fuck off pajeet
>no u

Repeat every single time.

>>56168543
>Virtualization is the future

Fuck off with Docker, Chef, or whatever retarded excuse you're giving yourself for using disposal me VMs instead of actually doing your job as a sysadmin.

Oh wait, you're not a sysadmin, because you're genuinely fucking asking why a security-focused OS doesn't have extraneous shit. Kill yourself.

>>56169425
>BSD has no softwares
FreeBSD actually has many softwares. It also has ports and corporate backup. Has Linux compatibility and WINE. FreeBSD has Behyve which I hope will be a proper alternative. PC-BSD is oriented towards general people although the need a lot of support.

It's getting better, anon

>>56169476
When did I talk about docker?
Wait, no LXC containers? hahahahahaha never cease to amaze me, anon

>>56169502
they*

>>56169502
I've actually wanted to use FreeBSD, but I got kinda paranoid ever since the security exploit got really viral. Plus I want to use a fully free system and FreeBSD includes proprietary blobs in its system so that's a no for me as well. Only usable option for me seems to be OpenBSD, which only works with hardware with open source drivers according to many people.

>>56169541
What makes you think OpenBSD is free of vulnerabilities? Sure, FreeBSD is an open source project and critical bugs will come out and get fixed.

The moment you start using ports your system may be vulnerable and OpenBSD can no longer save you

I'd still use OpenBSD though but I can't see any reasoning of why OpenBSD doesn't have a GUI installer although it includes X in the base package

>>56169572
"The world doesn't live off jam and fancy perfumes - it lives off bread and meat and potatoes. Nothing changes. All the big fancy stuff is sloppy stuff that crashes. I don't need dancing baloney - I need stuff that works. That's not as pretty, and just as hard." -Theo de Raadt

and he's right, having a text installer insures that it can work on everything, including old serial terminals if you wanted to use one

it's also the simplest installer, netbsd has a graphical one and somehow i fucked up so many installs of it

>The moment you start using ports your system may be vulnerable and OpenBSD can no longer save you
that's the point of most of the mitigations, they crash misbehaving third party software

>>56169572
They want the installer to work even in old stuff like VAX boxes. A GUI installer is a fancy thing that doesn't add nothing substancial to the system.
Anyways, the installer is NICE as fuck.

>>56169572
The installer's not even hard, dude.
You type a few letters and you have a completed install.

>>56168771
wow there is no reason left to use this

>>56169389
>>56169425
if you want a more cartoony example of what this shit is, check out haiku threads in the archives, it's even more obscure and shit-on-purpose than bsd. Again don't actually check haiku out, check out haiku THREADS on rbt. Thread is always like this
>why should I use haiku?
>It's just better.
>why specifically
>I'm better than you.

bsd is what you do when you only got into linux to get away from "windows plebs", ie you don't really care about linux but just thought it would make you look cool, without even knowing what makes a windows "pleb" a pleb. Repeat this when you see too much linux and need something even more shitty and obscure, and here we are.

did you get banned today

>>56169653
I was about to say because X probably won't run correctly on OpenBSD but your explanation works too. *rolls eyes*

>>56170631
Nope, I'm here. And I'm not sure how many more people laughs at you

>>56170792
*laugh at you
learn english, already

>>56170799
Do you want more bumps, I can shitpost for an hour more

>>56170820
you're such a joke
>i'm such a shitposter xD

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>>56170835

>>56170879
>he screenshots his own posts
sad

>>56170892
Honestly, the screenshot is not mine. But the points still stand

>>56170901
>literally has the same fucking points that he was making in this very thread, even uses the same words
>it's not mine i swear!
sad, but not unexpected

>>56170920
I use the same words as you, anon.

>>56170920
>openbsd fag BTFO

>>56170901
Not really.

>unaudited ports
OpenBSD has tons of mitigations to prevent insecure software from being exploited.

>BSD cannot have non-free codec packs
not true
>not many proprietary software and drives run on *BSD
A Linux compatibility layer exists on FreeBSD and NetBSD, OpenBSD doesn't want them.

>cannot even perform vt-d virtualization on windows guests
It's being worked on but in the mean time it's possible to dual boot.

>>56170972
>seriously responding to anyone who uses the word cuck

>>56170972
>OpenBSD has tons of mitigations to prevent insecure software from being exploited.

lol no it doesn't, nobody uses it and it isn't well supported for anything.

>>56170972
>tons of mitigations to prevent insecure software from being exploited.
Translation: mitigations break ported softwares, leaving you without the actual software you wanted (like Qbittorrent)

>A Linux compatibility layer exists on FreeBSD and NetBSD,
That's good

>OpenBSD doesn't want them.
OpenBSD is garbage anyways

>It's being worked on
Behyve can do vt-d pass through but it severely lacks documentation. Nothing compares to the Arch wiki for KVM virtualization

>>56171020
now watch this, in a few posts he'll ask the openbsd team to fork closed source software

>>56171040
Fork Docker, faggot or is it too hard?
Fork qBittorrent instead

>>56171060
>Fork qBittorrent instead
why don't you do it yourself since you love it so much

i'm sure you'll enjoy the cmake build system

>>56171073
I would but I use Linux and a little bit of FreeBSD

>>56171020
>mitigations break ported softwares, leaving you without the actual software you wanted

You ask for software but then you complain that the software makes the system insecure. Then when it turns out the mitigations can cover packages as well you just say all the software is broken with no source for your assertion.

OpenBSD dev push fixes for their ports to upstream devs so other systems can get support for mitigations.

>>56171090
>expecting an autist who's been shitposting these threads for a year to make sense and not contradict himself
i guess he had to find something else to complain about since he can no longer claim that freebsd is more secure

>>56171090
>the software makes the system insecure
How will the software that has no exploits make me insecure? If I want aggressive MAC or RBAC I could totally use it but I am interested in actually using the software

>>56171124
If the software has no exploits then it shouldn't but mitigations don't always prevent expected problems, sometimes they prevent unexpected problems. Hopefully the expected problems would be fixed before they could become a problem in the first place.

>>56171087
That means you're experienced enough to do ports of Unix software to other Unices.

>>56167760
google "real men dont attack straw men"

>>56171414
http://marc.info/?t=95022011900002&r=1&w=2
this one made me laugh too because it was way too off-topic

>>56171463
no one said to not use ports though, only the shitposter because "it's not secure even though it's impossible to audit literally every fucking program in existence"

>It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either.
should be in theo.c

>>56168363
why not join rtorrent master race

>>56171643
he keeps asking for foxit reader and steam on bsd

that should give you an idea

anyway he literally asked for the same software a month ago

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>>56171643
>rutorrent won't work

It's now time for you to become ethical -- again, to "do no harm."
I'd like to see the FSF drop the GPL and relicense all of its
software under the MIT X license as proof that it REALLY intends
its software to be free. Right now, it's not; it's tied up with
legalese and hurts programmers' livelihoods. The MIT AI Lab that
you knew is GONE, Richard. It's time to grow up and move on.

>>56171783
well he's not wrong

did you know the only reason GNU exists is because of a grudge

What's your setup like, /BSD/?

Mine is:
OpenBSD
i3 window manager
firefox
mpv
rtorrent
vim

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>>56172181
>OS
Linux (Ubuntu) - Primary
Windows 7 (VM) - Secondary
Arch (Home server) - Tertiary
PC-BSD (Test VM of the month) - Quaternary

>WM
Ubuntu - Muffin
Windows 7 - dwm
Arch - none
PC-BSD - Muffin

>Packages

>Ubuntu
Virtualbox
Chromium
Libreoffice calc

>Windows 7
Office 2010
Photoshop CS6
Photoscape

>Arch
Qbittorrent-nox
HPN-SSH
Pulse audio-server (tie)

>PC-BSD
It doesn't work, I'll try DragonflyBSD soon

I also have another Arch VM to test anything I implement on my server
Picture not related

t. friendly shitposter

>>56172241
I'm actually not on my current setup right now, but it is the following:
OpenBSD (release, not current)
FVWM, the default, though I do use xmodmap to swap ctrl and capslock
both Firefox and Chromium
nvi

>>56170901
>point stands
>le cuck license maymay
That's why FreeBSD has survived with they code published for years and Sony hasn't owned them.

>>56171414
Thanks bro.

>>56167576
what is man?

>>56171414
>Since I consider non-free software to be unethical and antisocial
I always wondered how did Stallman reached that conclusion.
Yes I have read his writings, and I still don't understand the leap of logic he makes.

>>56172445
>how did Stallman to reach that conclusion
FTFM
>t. spic pro

>>56169601
/thread

>>56172241
5.6-stable - headless router/file server
win 7 - gaymen
13" rMBP - """work"""

>>56172241
OpenBSD
bspwm
firefox
mpv
mpd
sxiv
rtorrent
vim

>playing bsdgames
>rogue
>aquator murders my really good armor
Damn.

>ever using BSD
Enjoy skids fucking you over with Babby's First Rootkit and the lack of support for anything. Just use Arch.