/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>56161983
shit headphones shit thread

>>56162018
Name a more neutral headphone than the HD600 in production today.

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>>56162028
Ignore the 702 faggot. He's so bitter lol.

Pic related to remind the 'snapheiser' faggots.

>>56161983
What are some good AMPs and DACs to use with my HD 558s?

>>56162148
get a fiio e10k.

Literally done. Don't fall for the memes.

>>56162105
>Brings the 702 up out of nowhere
nice inferiority complex

>>56162105
>>56162028
sennshills go back to /reddit/

>>56162230
>anyone who likes Sennheiser is a shill
Wew

>>56162105
it's not very wide and the metal frame is taking all the pressure.

>>56162251
>you right now
https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE?t=8s

>>56162208
It's obviously the 702 fag from the last thread. And it's probably you.

I cant mention my 600's with that fag popping up every single time I come here. People are observing. We know the deal.

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>>56162105
top kek even the sennshills know that the 702 is best

>>56162208
>nice inferiority complex
why would anyone have an inferiority complex over the 702, it measures worse on paper and it sounds like shit in real life

I'm no senn shill but hd650, hd600, dt880, x2 are all better options than k702

>>56162306
> X2 better than K702
Not to my ears

>>56162306
Honestly the 702's are better than the x2's though not as fun. The 600's trumps all of them though.

>>56162312
At least X2 has...

...bass.

>>56162294
You lost and you know it.

kek

>>56162339
>600's trumps all of them though
nice joke

>>56162364
nice argument

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>>56162385
nice quality

>>56162343
X2 has too much mid-bass and almost absent sub-bass, whereas the K702 is more balanced.

>>56162410
Tell me about it. The left side of my 702's stopped working for no reason and I had to re-solder the wire back myself.

>made in china

HAHAHAHAHA

>headphone development has stagnated in the early 90s with the release of Etymotic ER-4 and Sennheiser HD580

I've got more money than all of you faggots in this thread and I'm telling you straight up there's nothing better than the HD600.

I'm not even justifying my purchase, they are a lowly $400 pair of headphones. I spend far more on my other shit like monitors, GPUs, speakers, etc.

Kilobuck+ headphones are literal memes. Don't like the HD600? Well great, there's different sound signatures around the same price range like DT770, X2, etc.

>>56162474
>shit that never happened

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planning to get them, anyone have them?

>>56162481
Stax is better

>>56162481
K702 is better face it

My AKG K271 mkii broke, and I ordered a pair of k702s. How do they compare, sound-wise?

>>56162028
PM-3 at the sacrifice of soundstage

>>56162447
k702 has no midbass and no subbass

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>>56162528
>>56162514

>>56162489
But it did and I posted about it on here. It was the first soldering I ever did and I not only made it work again, but I probably made it more solid than when it arrived. The fact is I know it happened, and you have no argument what so ever. Why do you waste your time?

>>56162571
stop shilling

>>56162541
K702 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K271

>>56162628
t. pathetic k702 shill

>>56162574
>I have no argument so here's some anitrash

>>56162481
m8 these 702 faggots are relentless, they won't stop because they have to convince themselves that they have the best headphone available. The truth is that most of us 600 owners used to own the 702's and upgraded.

They're in denial. it's best to ignore them.

>>56162652
>>56162692
sennshills go back to /reddit/

>>56162271
>being an akg shill
>loving high harmonic distortion

>>56162733
>being an sennshill
>having severe autism

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http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf

>akg shill will defend that 2khz distortion
>akg shills confirmed for hearing damaged

>Used to buy shit headphones every few months whenever they ended up falling apart
>3 years ago I bought a pair of M50X' and they look and perform as good as the day I got em.

You really do get what you pay for.

>>56162793
Hope you didnt pay more than $90

>>56162711
This is exactly what i'm talking about m8. They're fucking adorable lol

>>56162808
I'm not an audiophile, just a pleb who likes nice quality hardware now - I bought a FiiO E10K for the hardware bass boost as well, what of it?

>>56162761
harmoic distortion literally doesn't matter to anyone without autism

>>56162874
>AKG autists confirmed for not knowing shit about measurements
doesnt surprise me

>>56162552
Too much bass.

>>56162833
Not him but the e10k is a great amp and dac.

>>56162946
>muh autism measurements
>i can hear more because im a audiophile
wew lad get cancer

I was told this general was the official HD600 owners confirmation bias resource? Please tell me it's the best headphone so I can continue believing it's the best headphone despite not ever hearing anything else and realizing it's just different.

>>56163056
akg headphones confirmed favorite for deaf people

>>56163068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZEwLyB68tQ
mastered on the AKG K702

>>56163068
cringe audiophile

>>56163106
dumb weeaboo

I'm looking at the etymotic ER-4S at the moment. Would like to use them with my DAP but I don't think the clip+ is enough to drive them. Should I buy a portable amp or should I just get a new DAP that can drive them ? Any rec ?

>>56163057
Fuck off to reddit hd600-hating scum

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Shitty thread boys.

>>56163138
hd 600s are the /reddit/ headphone

>>56163145
$1400 on ebay sealed. Some weaboo is gonna buy it.

>>56163145
>A&K
Enjoy that shitty performance that even a the x3 can dominate

>>56163125
Get the ER4SR which is the improved model. The clip will definitely be able to drive those.

There's also the ER4XR which has a bass boost but I don't think you'd want those seeing that you had an interest in the ER-4S.

http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/earphones/er4-new.html

>>56163125
Rockboxed Clip+ might be enough to drive them.

>>56163145
>spending this much on a series that is objectively garbage
true autism

>>56163198
No. It's definitely a /hpg/ phone. Try posting K702 or DT880s here. They are frowned upon.

>>56163273
K702 = weeaboo headphones
DT880 = you couldn't afford HD600 but it's almost as good
HD600 = patrician headphone

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Anyone else /solidbass/ here?

>>56163320
Not you?

>>56163290
>>56163273
sennshills back to /reddit/

>>56161983
Great thread so far, OP.

This thread is only 67 posts long by the time of this post. Nearly 75%, or 49 posts, are HD600 vs. K702 vs. DT880 which is why we had the "Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon." in the first place.

>>56163395
I thought you killed yourself, CG?

>>56163290
Guys do DT880's / HD600's REQUIRE an OTL Tube amp? My friend is dumb. How to convince him that he's an idiot?

>>56163398
You're the anti wireless faggot?

Please stop.

>>56163273
HD600 was a headfi meme before it was anything else

>>56163421
>Guys do DT880's / HD600's REQUIRE an OTL Tube amp?

No.

>>56163421
No, ignorance is bliss.

Leave him alone.

>>56163427
The point was about the typical shitfest about the big three and you want to pick a fight about wireless? Thanks for reminding me. There a reason why we had "wireless is frowned on" too.

>>56163228
You're right, I have overlooked them cause I'm always thinking more impedance = better quality so didn't really cared when I saw they were easier to drive.

Still thinking of buying a new DAP thought, while I do love rockbox and the clip+, I feel the battery life is lacking.
What are my options ? Also does the sound quality improves if I step up from the clip+ or is it only placebo at that level ?

>>56163239
Thank you.

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Explain these terms:
>soundstage, sound signature, veiled, boosted, detailed, dark, warm, coloured, positional accuracy, damping, rolled off, imaging

>>56163558
Why is wireless frowned upon again, your arguments never did held any weight.

>>56163677
The sound quality won't really improve beyond the Clip+ with Rockbox. But you'll get additional features like durability, better interface, larger screen, etc. Rockbox is great software so they might be inferior on the software side.

>>56163705
>your arguments never did held any weight.
Translation:
>I ignore citations that disagree with my opinion so I can justify my position.
You prove with your every post why "wireless is frowned on" should be a part of every /hpg/ OP.

>>56163744
>citations from random bloggers

lmao

>>56163762
Thanks for proving the point.

>>56163775
Post citations now then.

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>>56163395
The same response every time from this poorfag clown.

>>56163798
>Sound quality can also be limited by size and weight limitations on the battery and electronics; only so much can be put into the headphones and still remain light and sleek enough to wear comfortably. The electrical signal used to drive wireless headphones from these low-power miniaturized circuits can be significantly poorer than when a wire and external electronics are used. As a result, you'll always get better sound quality for the money with wired headphones.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-wireless

t. "random blogger"
This will likely be my last post as you will again ignore the citation because it doesn't agree with your need to have the facts fit your conclusion than the more rational approach of fitting the conclusion to the facts.

>>56163677
>>56163731
Clip+ is hissy and lacks output power to drive everything. If those aren't problem for you, expecting a DAP to improve sound quality audibly is unlikely.

>>56163443
>best headphone of the past 20 years
>meme

stop

>>56163835
>Tyll
>reputable source

No. Just no. The guy believes in amp synergy and whatnot.

>>56163859
he believes cables make a difference

>>56163854
>any headphone
>best
lol

>>56163883
Yes, this proves that Tyll is not a valid source on anything audio related.

>>56163859
>Most cited authority in personal audio
>not reliable
I should open my own pay by the minute psychic hotline.

>>56163906
more or less invalidates his opinion on anything.

>>56163908
>Most cited authority in personal audio
AES would like to have a word with you.

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Please take this shit from topic picture. It's triggering me. You can use this picture of best headphones ever created to this day

>>56163929
HD600 is better.

HD800 sounds veiled and peaky.

>>56163908
maybe when you get a job you can start earning some money and afford nice things, that way you'll think twice about spending your entire day shitposting on /g/ and spreading blatant misinformation for the sake of it.

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>>56163908
>mfw people take audio advice from some old gezer who can barely hear anything over 15khz

>>56163923
>AES would like to have a word with you.
How many times is AES cited around here?

>>56163908
Tyll is not a credible source of information regarding audio yes. He doesn't even understand the concepts he talks about.

>>56164075
>Source: My ass

The anti-wireless fag sure is in full damage control mode.

>>56163731
To be honest, the software side is the only thing that ties me to the clip+ currently. Had a clip zip before and I find it nice to display the album covers on the screen, also had more battery life but the jack port failed me in less than a year and they're not as cheap as they used to be, even refurbished ones are expensive now.

Any DAP with good software, battery life and durability ? Micro SD extension is a must and it should be able to play flac files.

>>56164099
Is your every post created specifically to troll when you cannot argue the point? It is plainly obvious that Tyll Hertsen and IF is the most cited authority on personal audio here in /hpg/ and yet you want ignore the citation?

>>56163889
Under £500 then. If you spend over that for headphones you're a retard.

>>56163686
>soundstage
The area between two speakers that appears to the listener to be occupied by sonic images.
>headstage
the sensation of space felt by someone listening to headphones
>sound signature
an oversimplification of the frequency response
>veiled
bass blending into mids
>boosted
having a magnitude response higher than neutral in a specific region
>detailed
the subjective feeling of transparency
>dark
sound signature used to describe recessed treble by people who don't like the sound signature
>warm
sound signature used to describe recessed treble by people who like the sound signature
>coloured
can be used as a synonym to audible distortion or as another way of describing inaccuracies in specific frequency regions (i.e. coloured treble)
>positional accuracy
the degree to which a pair of headphones reproduce sounds that can be accurately located by the listener. includes directional localization and distance perception
>damping
In an audio system, the damping factor gives the ratio of the rated impedance of the loudspeaker to the source impedance.
>rolled off
a decline in magnitude response as you go lower (bass) or higher (treble)
>imaging
head-fi term. doesn't mean anything

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Reminder to have good source audio components.

>>56163686
I can explain some of them with songs
>Veiled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZnSTglHn4
>boosted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5rYpVS9fPE
>detailed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_QvhE_1tw
>dark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnbQZnBeCw
>warm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35-SLLsdA4

>>56164181
>sonic images.
>imaging - doesn't mean anything
Don't believe everything you read here. Dunning-Kruger in full effect in /hpg/.

>>56164147
>some fake 60 year old fuck
>authority on personal audio

... lol?

>>56163950
>veiled and peaky.
What? Please speak human language, no headshit language here, only language of numbers and physics law.

>>56164264
Can you specify a more relied upon authority used here in /hpg/?

No? We should just believe you over our own past history in /hpg/ because you have more "true" experience than audiophiles. . .

>Budget
150ish

>Location
US

>Source
fiio e10

>Preferred type of headphone
IEM or closed full sized

>Comfort level
Very

>Preferred tonal balance
V-shaped or bright

Thanks in advance.

>>56164234
i think the term you're looking for is 'doublethink'. you should stick to calling everything placebo.
imaging doesn't mean anything when it comes to headphones. "sonic images" were a part of the definition for soundstage which only applies to speakers.

>>56164345
>imaging - the capability of definite position and resolution
>sonic images - arbitrarily cannot be considered with headphones
In.
Full.
Effect.

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>>56161983

>Budget
$150 (I’d prefer not to go over this limit)

>Location
USA

>Source
My PC (I don’t have an amp). I might plug my phone in from time to time, but I don’t plan to take these with me anywhere. These headphones are pretty much just for my computer (gaming, music listening, etc).

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
I’m somewhat torn between the two. I like the idea of what closed offers in terms of isolation. However, I think I would like open for the soundstage since I’ll be using these while I’ll play vidya.

>Comfort level
I’d prefer the headphones to be and the more comfy side since I’ll being wearing this for hours at a time. However, I’m willing to accept a little bit less comfort for a superior sound.

>Preferred tonal balance
I’d prefer something that is somewhat neutral. I wouldn’t want the bass to be overwhelming, but at the same time I wouldn’t want it to be absent either. As long as it sounds crisp and warm I would be happy. I mainly listen to minimal techno/jazz/classical/hip-hop/ambient if that makes any difference.

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Even nwavguy's endgame is HD650. But he said he thinks K701's are more accurate.

>>56164370
now define "resolution"

>>56164345
Oh, and I should clarify your definition of "headstage" as well.
The reason why it is called HEADstage is because of old IEMs. They were confined to within the space between BAs. Headphones, which can create a larger soundstage than just within the head, are not generally referred to as having headstage.

>Budget
$150
>Location
United States
>Source
Phone, laptop/tablet and home amp
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Either, I a pair of each eventually
>Comfort level
Most comfy(wears glasses)
>Preferred tonal balance
Good mids and clarity, but not too neutral. Nice amount of bass as well.
>Past headphones
Last Gen and current generation of Sony XB headphones, porta pro, Koss Ur-40, solo 2.

Planning to get the HD598 headphones, probably a pair of M50X's as well just to have a pair of open and closed cans.

>>56164099
i've heard wireless headphones, they sound like muddy shit and have weak volume

>>56164394
>but that doesn't mean you can make a $25 HD201 sound like a $1500 HD800. There's more to it than just frequency response
yet these measurement-whoring 'objectivists' who praise nwavguy like he is a god claim the opposite of this

lol

>>56164401
Why? Is the dictionary definition of resolution insufficient for you? Are you fishing for something?

>>56164420
A used Fidelio X2

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>>56164421

>>56164394
nwavguy was assassinated years ago by some buttmad audiophiles his opinion is outdated

>>56164202
I bet that thing isn't very good for driving headphones. Most integrated amps with a phone out have a really high output impedance which is no good

>>56164394
Not just Nwavguy. Also other good reviewers compared K702 and HD650 side by side and all of them strived to say which was better. HD650 has surely a musical and pleasant sound, but K702 is brutally honest on the other side. I totally agree with Nwavguy btw, it's strange to think that many people here used to consider his words as law until some time ago and now everyone here seems to care about FR as if it's the only thinf that matters.

>>56164410
the soundstages of headphones and speakers are still entirely different.

>>56164428
>Are you fishing for something?
a definition of 'imaging' that does not rely on buzzwords. resolution is poorly defined in the context of audio.

>>56164516
>the soundstages of headphones and speakers are still entirely different.
No claim was made to the otherwise. Only that claiming "soundstage" can only be used in regards to speaker is wrong.

>that does not rely on buzzwords
You were told to use the dictionary definition for "resolution" and you think a buzzword is being used? The dictionary is a collection of "buzzwords?"

If you cannot rely on the dictionary to define terms I post I guess I'm wasting my time posting them in the first place.

>>56164327
DT770 Pro 80 ohm Limited Edition.
>>56164380
HD558
>>56164394
That's funny because he is wrong, HD650 is more neutral than the K701 on a diffuse field target.

>>56164181
>imaging doesn't mean anything
That one is actually present and books about mixing you know...

>>56164595
> diffuse field target
Here we go again...

>>56164565
using words that don't apply to audio in the context of audio makes them buzzwords.

>>56164598
what books?

>>56164624
The art of mixing by David Gibson for example.

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>>56164624
>Words I don't understand don't apply to audio.
Let me make it easier for you. Resolution plainly and easily applies to audio.

>>56164620
On the Harman curve and the Olive-Welti curve, the HD650 is more neutral as well.

>>56164595
It's fucking hilarious, dude. But hey, I'd rather trust his opinion(maybe because he's actually an electrical engineer) than some random jack off on /g/

>>56164676
His opinion is wrong.

Feel free to believe what you want DUDE WEED LMAO XD

>>56164676
>maybe because he's actually an electrical engineer
considering his amplifier design i would doubt even that

>>56164666
Those are subjective curves. They don't actually strive for fidelity, but what sounds good. Hint, hint, color.

>>56162954
Not according to the Harman curve

>>56164737
what's wrong with the O2?

does it sound bad?

>>56164751
see:
>>56164741

>>56164752
>strap two cmoys together
>make the pcb massive so it can't even fit in your pocket when it's meant to be portable
>move all the i/o to one side so it's a terrible desktop amp

>>56164654
imaging is the ability of a device to show an image clearly?
doesn't really get us anywhere.

>>56164765
They're averaged subjective curves, there is no such thing as an "objective" curve when it comes to perception in headphones. Prove otherwise

>>56164819
he's going to spout some nonsense about DF again.

>>56164788
>strap two cmoys together
I don't see the issue

As for the rest of your ''''''''''''''''issues''''''''''''''' let me just tell you that most o2 manufacturers put the i/o on the back, which makes it a great desktop device

>>56164819
I thought the goal was flat frequency response? But it seems that the way to go nowadays is some liberal-arts tier research of what is ''subjectively'' the best

>>56164833
>breaking license conditions through loopholes and grey areas
this is external builders doing their best to make the o2 not terrible. the only part nwavguy had in that was making it difficult for them.

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>>56164489
Please fact check yourself before saying dumb bullshit.

It has a dedicated Headphone amp separate from the speaker amp. And Yamaha doesn't fuck around with their stuff.

>>56164819
Diffuse Field is objective but the response varies a tiny bit from person to person due to their build and unique features. They've used measurements at the eardrum that were captured with a mic to create the target curve.

>>56164833
>I don't see the issue
a proper cmoy is better

>>56164202
Go away you damn weeaboo.

Every thread you post god damn chink components.

>>56164860
How about instead of posting nice pictures you start posting some shit that actually matters, like measurements? I don't give a fuck about your audiophool tier consumer garbage if it measures worse than a schitty magni

>>56164830
>>56164870
DF is not well-suited for headphones at all and current audio research supports averaged curves. Furthermore, it is absolutely not objective, that is patently wrong and you've already understated it by saying that is varies a "tiny" (read: significant) bit from person to person.

>>56164851
There is no precise definition of "flat" with regards to headphones. That's why things like the HTR and others are being researched.

>>56164818
>imaging is the ability of a device to show an image clearly?
No.
>imaging - the capability of definite position and resolution
Are you being obtuse?

>>56164902
"i can hear measured performance"
good joke, why would you even buy a discrete amp if your iphone's amp measures better than a magni

>>56164908
>you've already understated it by saying that is varies a "tiny" (read: significant) bit from person to person.

Define 'significance', it not like it is drastically different from the lowest to the highest result where it varies most.

>>56164932
I actually would, but I can't because I need a desktop device. Besides source components aren't supposed to sound different, that's the point of audio transparency

>>56164946
Perhaps you should define "tiny" first. In an objective sense, there should be absolutely no statistically significant variance.

>>56164962
so use your motherboard audio?

>>56164930
no, i think i got it now.
it's how you wear your headphones and circular reasoning.

>>56164995
Yeah, you are trying to be obtuse and a liar.

>>56164973
No. I don't know how the chip in my mobo measures like. And I also subjectively prefer to have a well built little device on my desk with a nice knob on it.

No such thing as resolution in headphones.

>>56163398
I don't think that had anything to do with "frowned upon" crap being in the OP and text in the OP doesn't in any way limit the shitposting about the "big three". We've had those forever regardless of what was written or not written to the first post. I said it before but wording that specific frowned upon line in the OP could've and should've stayed. It was there to promote putting some effort into questions and requests. Nobody wants to answer to questions like "Are M50X a meme?" or "Did I do good /g/?".

>>56164090
Even some people here understand many things related to audio better than Tyll. Hell I can spot where he goes wrong from time to time and notice plenty of places where he ties in his subjective listening experience with something related to his measurements as if that was what he was hearing.

>>56164489
Marantz, Yamaha and some others started putting dedicated headphone amps to their integrated amplifiers. As expected, insufficient specs.

>>56164313
The Wiki we have is already a good start. Takes some effort to go through those papers in the links however.

>>56164394
Yet another person in audio who shouldn't be cited on everything.

>>56164855
>external builders doing their best to make the o2 not terrible
Like who and how?

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>>56165002
stop calling me obtuse

>>56165018
>i don't know how it measures so it's not good
autism at maximum

>>56165027
>Like who and how?
like every single o2 that has rear i/o, rca i/o and a switched socket for the preamp/lineout

>>56165027
Like, every manufacturer. JDS labs, mayflower and headnhifi
Also they completely changed the DAC recently. According to them it's better, though.

>>56165049
>like every single o2 that has rear i/o, rca i/o and a switched socket for the preamp/lineout
That's why NwAvGuy started the ODA project but never finished it before he disappeared. O2 tries to be a jack of all trades headphone amp but doesn't really achieve that. It isn't too portable and he I/O options are indeed clumsy for desktop usage in the standard configuration. The thing still performs extremely well in some areas and very well in others. A great affordable amp with some flaws, almost all of which are fixed by the retailers.

>>56165027
>The Wiki we have is already a good start.
The wiki is an authority or a collection of advice from several sources including head-fi, a source vilified here? We should ignore Tyll's subjective experiences and rely on head-fi's subjective experiences. . .

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100-150€ flexible.Bluetooth in-ears headphones.
Any Suggestions?

>>56165148
>Bluetooth
FROWN

>>56163686
>Denon AH-D2000
>you're kidding me, right?
Besides the fact that it's discontinued what is the issue?

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>>56165162
Grow up. It's not even in the OP and you're still trying to pick a fight with every post about wireless. Even with posts that didn't have anything to do with wireless.

>>56165134
I was mostly referring to the papers which the kind nerd anon uploaded for us. I think the same person also rewrote major parts of the Wiki page too. Good read. Papers:

https://mega.nz/#F!3MFm1DrD!4GlU_vNtEeF148kZcQ05wA

>>56164973
Latest realteks superior to any snake oil DAC. Only illiterate autist would pay more than 20$ for DAC.

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>>56164885
I'm chinese cartoon audio component shill, yea i'll admit it. To many german cuck dick suckers in these thread anyway.

>>56165162
i have broken every god dam cable. Especially when i use headphones on my phone. Im sick of paying 40€ for replacement cables.

>>56165197
Just tape your phone to your headphones and use a really shot cable you wont have an issue like this

>>56165184
>I was mostly referring to the papers
You admit that you responded to a question outside the scope of the question.

>>56165194
The PMA50 is shite for headphones. I own one ):

>>56165217
its not the jack. its the over the ear cables and the connectors to the earpiece. So bluetooth suggestions?

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yay or nay

>>56165245
I'm afraid I don't have any. Best I can tell you is that bluetooth is retarded gay bullshit with no real fidelity

Just a friendly reminder that bluetooth is fine.

>>56165191
omg lel

>>56165235
Shame. There have been reviews saying the same. Neat all-in-one system though.

>>56165264
Stop trying to be a hipster and just buy an o2 or a schiit stack

>>56165264
Get an e10k and get it over with for fucks sake. I'm sick of the memes.

>>56165313
I already have one

>>56165312
b-b-but I could connect my speakers and record player as well

>>56165264
massdrop is reddit shit

>>56165326
Everything is reddit

>>56165323
Then you're done. I know this hobby is temps you to buy more but don't. Unless you have incredibly hard to drive headphones the e10k is pushing what you have. Buying anything else just adds colour. If that's what you want buy colorful headphones in the first place.

>>56163686
soundstage: is the perceived distance something sounds from your ears some people say V shape frequency increases the perceived distance effect

sound signature: is just a general statement about any headphones frequency response may also be interpreted as a certain manufacturer's house sound or the frequency response x manufacturer leans towards when making drivers

veiled: would mean rolling off the highs to create a more mid centric and bassy experience at the cost of imaging and usually sound stage

boosted: idkwtf this meme is

detailed: the perceived loudness in the frequency response of your headphone towards what someone considers "detail" in songs compared to the loudness of everything else, and this is usually anything from upper mids to highs depending on what detail is described

dark: highs 2kH-16kHz and high mids 1kHz-2kHz perceived loudness lower than rest of frequencies

warm: same as dark except to a lesser degree

coloured: a consumer headphone's frequency response that is purposefully not flat such as a V shaped frequency response

positional accuracy: the perceived loudness of the high mids and mostly high frequencies particularly 6kHz-10kHz I not too sure on the exact trick to make extremely detailed positioning but it's probably just very careful tuning of those frequencies

imaging: same as positional accuracy but describing the fidelity of individual sounds rather than the specific frequencies that target the upper range, this could also mean midrange perceived loudness but most of the time people describe the high spectrum sounds

rolled off: when you look at a frequency response graph you'll see an area in the graph look like it's rolling down suddenly, you do this rolling effect because if it was a sudden 90 degree angle it would sound like shit, most of the time the rolling off occurs in the lows of the frequency but can also occur in the highs if your headphone is shit

>>56165323
In that case it could work. I was looking for a ''jack of all trades'' device but it really doesn't exist. You should just buy a cheap integrated amplifier to go with your speakers and use the E10k's line out.

>>56165374
>soundstage: is the perceived distance something sounds from your ears some people say V shape frequency increases the perceived distance effect

I think soundstage is strongly influenced by the 3-4KHz area, if I reduce this with APO on my HD600 it sounds more distant at the expense of clarity.

>>56165368
I must consume

>>56165398
yay. I'm getting it then

>>56165419
>I must consume

Been there, one that. Don't waste your money.

Actually, what headphones do you have. Upgrade those for a fucking start if anything. You don't need an amp beyond the e10k.

>>56165471
BD Tesla T1

>>56165264

I got one. It sounds really good. It both through speaker and headphones (Soon Martin Logan MLT-1 Satellites and Sub, and Phillips SHP9500). Some reviews have regarded it to have a warm sound to it. The Bluetooth is surprised me as well, it sounds great.

It has WAY more power than my speakers and sub need. The Headphone output isn't as strong but more than enough for 32ohms-120ohms headphones I suspect.

>>56165410
>I think soundstage is strongly influenced by the 3-4KHz area, if I reduce this with APO on my HD600 it sounds more distant at the expense of clarity.


Not him but i'd strongly disagree. My first good headphone was the 702 and the soundstage was wider AND more clear than my 600's are. The 600's just sound better to me in every other sector.

Is this a scam? http://www.ebay.com/itm/272346084809

>>56165503
You do know that the K702 are inconsistent headphones, right? The seal varies quite a bit from person to person. I can't stand the K702, it sounds muffled and unclear but I can hear it as having a larger soundstage over the HD600. It is also is recessed at 4kHz.

>>56165544
Probably.

>>56165544
If a deal looks too good to be true it probably is. Especially from a dealer with only 2 feedback.

>>56165410
That's probably true, anyway it's the difference in loudness in that midrange area compared to the upper spectrum that creates the effect. The higher the difference the more pronounced the soundstage effect is.

>>56163686
I'll try.

>soundstage
A result of audio being mixed in two or more channels and played back to the listener with loudspeakers. You can hear an imaginary wall of sound, a "stage", where different sounds/instruments are panned in front of you. Doesn't really related to headphones. You'll still hear instruments being mixed "off-center" but it sounds like these sounds are coming inside of your head when using headphones instead of in front of you like with loudspeakers.

>sound signature
Merely how something sounds like, all audible factors included. Mostly just frequency response.

>veiled
Relates to frequency response. Refers to some area of frequencies being masked by the rest of the response. Lacks a more distinct definition.

>boosted
Some area of frequencies being emphasized by being higher in magnitude compared to the rest of the response.

>detailed
Self explanatory, somewhat subjective, same description as "sound signature".

>dark
Lack of emphasis on highs, decreased magnitude in those frequencies compared to the rest of the response.

>warm
Similar to above, warm sound signature is usually the result of boosted bass and lower mids compared to the rest of the response.

>coloured
Not neutral. Uneven frequency response, audible distortion, noise or anything that doesn't belong to the original signal and becomes audible is coloration.

>positional accuracy
Something to describe HRTF, not something headphones really have an effect on.

>damping
Relation of source impedance to load impedance, preferably as a function of frequency.

>rolled off
Directly relates to frequency response. Either the low or high frequencies(or both) decline in magnitude near the end of the pass band.

>imaging
Closely relates to soundstage and is a product of mixing with two of more channels where different sounds are perceived to come from a different spatial location to the listener. Not something headphones really affect.

>>56165479
Ah. Maybe don't upgrade those lel.

Maybe the e10k isn't getting the best out of those. The o2 perhaps?

It sounds exactly the same as the e10k with hd600's but maybe the extra power will drive your headphones even better?

>>56165544
>2 feedback

It's a fucking scam. He will be off with hundreds if not thousands. Don't even look at it again.

>>56165703
there's only 9 for sale though :^)

could be stolen

>>56165614
>>56165663
>>56165703

I sent a message to him. Hopefully they'll answer my question. "Is it made in China or Germany?". Yeah 100% scam if no reply.

>>56165560
>The seal varies quite a bit from person to person. I can't stand the K702, it sounds muffled and unclear


The pads are very firm so I wouldn't think that they vary much. As for the sound I have no idea how you think they sound muffled and unclear, that's insane to me.

The benefit of the 702 over the 600 for me was the clarity and soundstage. The problem with them is that they weren't very enjoyable to actually listen to music with because they were flat and harsh. Very analytical headphones though imo.

>>56165723
It's possible but they would still sell them for more than that if they were stolen.

It's simply not worth the risk.

>>56165264
Black DT880 Premium is sexy!

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Hey, /hpg/.

Had an ancient pair of Sony cans, and they worked well for over 7 years, but they finally kicked the bucket today.

I don't have a lot of dosh to spend, and I'm looking to order a pair pretty quickly.

>Budget
Prefer to stay around $50, but $70 MAX. However, if a pair is really, really, really good, I might be willing to go up to $80.

>Location
USA

>Source
Desktop computer. These headphones will stay plugged in to my desktop computer 24/7, and won't move from there.

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized and over-ear.

>Open or closed
Not really sure, here.
I know that open headphones leak a lot of sound, but I don't really care, because I'll only be using these headphones in my room, with nobody around.

>Comfort level
Very high comfort, and that's a requirement. I'll be wearing these headphones for 2+ hours at a time.

>Preferred tonal balance
Don't know anything about this. Neutral perhaps? Or maybe a slightly boosted bass?

Someone in the last thread recommended that I get DT770 250 ohm, but also said I might need an amp depending on the source. What would happen if I didn't get an amp (right away)?

>>56165864
SHP9500
AKG 240
Used 900x

Hey guys, I'm going to buy the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 ohm, what should I buy with them?
Primary use is for desktop, I might use them with my phone.
t. guy who knows nothing of audio

>>56165931
They'd mostly just sound quieter.

>>56165931
you wouldn't be able to reach satisfactory listening levels if your source is too weak

>>56165703
>not falling for scams for eBay money back and eBay bucks

>>56165953
Thanks for the recommendations, i'll look into those.

>>56166003
Get a Fiio e10k

>>56166003
fiio e10k.

Cheap. solid build. Fantastic sound quality.

>>56166011
>>56166027
Okay, then if I do get the 250 ohm should I get the Filo e10k with it, or something else?

>>56161983
Why remove those lines from the op?
These 2 are good imo

>Noise isolation ≠ Noise cancellation
>If you dislike a suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, x sucks"

>>56165755
>As for the sound I have no idea how you think they sound muffled and unclear, that's insane to me.
Just look at RinChoi's frequency response graph of them. The K702 when sealed properly is not quite a clear headphone.

They only sound analytical if the seal is not perfect.

>>56166220
Stick with the 80 ohm. It sounds the same as the 250 ohm and uses less power.

>>56166250
Oh and I'd suggest the limited edition 80 ohm, the black pads don't yellow like the default pads do.

>>56166220
there's no reason to get an amp if they get loud enough from your source

Where do you guys listen to/download music?

>>56166270
Curious myself actually

>>56166270
anime music on youtube

>>56166222
Without them there are even less excuses not to shitpost.

>>56166270
rutracker, what.cd

>>56166270
google album name + artist

>>56166296
I usually buy the cds, but whatever torrent available otherwise.

>>56166332
shit, this was meant for >>56166270

>>56166301
You mean more excuses to shitpost?

>>56166222
I'll add these two lines to the OP.

>>56166188
>>56166207
Thank you very much for the help!

Anyone got any experience or thoughts on the MDR-1A?

I'm looking for a more fun, bassier heaphone to complement my HD600s.

>>56166239
>>56165755
Both "analytical" and "clear" aren't suitable and accurate definitions to describe the sound. Please refrain from using them anymore, or you'll end up having arguments over inconsistent issues.
It's true that K702 can be as bassy as HD650 when it's properly sealed, but also HD650 has weak treble if it's not properly sealed (according to Rin Choi's measurements and conclusions). What K702 just lacks is a bit more energy in the deep sub-bass region and around 4 kHz.

>>56166262
Yeah I was looking at the gray ones, but if they yellow I'll just stick to black

>>56166383
Please do.

Especially
>If you dislike a suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, x sucks"

I think that's a brilliant like since it'll reduce a lot of trolling and dickslapping

>>56166459
I'd suggest DT770 Pro 80 ohm LE.

Strong sub-bass and boosted treble.

Tell me why I shouldn't get a Bluetooth pair of headphones, since I'm not an audiophile

>>56166547
>Bluetooth

F R O W N
R
O
W
N

>>56166554
I said tell me not meme at me

Is buying a headset with a mic a bad idea even if I want one headset to use with my vidya consoles in addition to PC?

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>>56166547
No reason, they're more convenient than wired usually.

Just get a good pair that you can also use with an aux cable though.

Also.
>bluetooth
>Le Frown

>>56166563
No, HyperX Cloud is decent.

>>56166529
Funny you mention those in particular because my friend has them and I've tried them multiple times. The problems I see with the 770s is that the treble can be a bit sibilant at times and the mid-range just sounds outright grainy.

I'm primarily looking for a headphone with slightly rolled-off treble, decent mids and good bass quantity and extension.

>>56166563
I've had HyperX Cloud II for 6 months now, for the price they're great!

>>56166486
Sub bass is the obvious problem with the 702's imo. That's why they sound thin and flat.

>>56166620
>I'm primarily looking for a headphone with slightly rolled-off treble, decent mids and good bass quantity and extension.
Oppo PM3.

Tomorrow going to get my Takstar 2050 after a long month of waiting for it to ship from China, recommended by you, it better be good.

http://www.takstar.com/en/product/detail-11-29-0-220

>>56166563
I've got one, it's a cheap one I found in a chink shop.
Very bassy, but sounds good enough. Microphone is really good for 10aud.

But I've heard hyper x cloud is pretty good too

>>56166656
What are you current/previous headphones?

>>56166656
how much did you pay?

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Sounds better than the other HD800 too.

Then again, that isn't saying much.

Complete audio illiterate here I was wondering how are the stock Samsung headphones sound?

>>56166705
Acceptable, not bad, not great.

>>56166705
In my opinion, terrible.
I've got some $10 off-brand earbuds that easily outdoes them.

>>56166623
>>56166580
>>56166659
>HyperX
It looks over-ear and closed which is good for me, how's the balance?
I'm now debating between either that or getting the ATH-M30x and a shittier headset since voice chat on consoles isn't terribly important, but I'm more of a video guy so audio is still mostly magic to me and I don't know what I'm doing

>>56166689
Philips SHP2000.

I fell for the low-end Sennheiser meme and got HD201, came here to complain about how I wasted 40 dollars and anons recommended me either the Takstar or the Aurvana Live for decent cheap headphones

>>56166697

82 dollars in Ali Express.

>>56166727
Can you link me please?

>>56166630
It's not a big problem if they're correctly sealed.
Quoting Ein Choi's blog:
"Surprisingly, even under a good amount of acoustic leak, the sub-bass is still well-sustained. This indicates that K702's diaphragm mass is much lower compared to those of other dynamic headphones."

>>56166824
Harman found otherwise. K701's results varied a lot.

>>56166772
Sorry, I don't know the name.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Antlion Modmic 4.0 Unidirectional? I have two questions:
1) is the background noise a real problem when it's connected to a standard mobo soundcard? Do you think that I could use the mic by connecting it to the line-out of the Fiio E10K?
2) is the magnet support removable? I'd love to buy this mic for the K702, but I'd like to remove the magnet support in the future in case I want to put it on another headphone and also because I don't eant my K702 to have a magnet support for the rets of its life.

So there's really no difference between the 80 and 250 ohm beyerdynamic DT 770s aside from power usage? I'm audio stupid so I don't know

>>56166899
Ah no worries I was expecting it in all honesty

>>56166856
>>56166824

After a few years of use I'd say that the k702s are certainly a bit light. But, they are good for cross checking if you are mixing.

If I were to replace them I'd get some senn hd600s. But, I'm not going to unless they break. Which they won't.

>>56166915
no difference

>>56166918
>After a few years of use I'd say that the k702s are certainly a bit light. But, they are good for cross checking if you are mixing.

Meh, I'd rather use MDR-7506 for checking. More neutral and more consistent response.

>>56166755
Those takstars were my very first good headphone. They should destroy those phillips.

Bare in mind that all of these differences we talk about here are usually small. You need to know what you're listening for. It's not all black and white.

>>56166918
They are light but not so much to be unenjoyable or anemic, as some call them. The reason why they're such a great work tool is that they have a really balanced sound. Is bass weak? Maybe, but it still has decent impact and it doesn't hinder other frequencies.

>>56166918
>But, I'm not going to unless they break. Which they won't.

My 702's left side stopped working for no reason. I had to open them up and do my first ever soldering to fix the wire.

At the time they were my end game (with as slight eq boost etc)

It was a fairly simple fix and I sold them for a good price on ebay and I ended up buying a pair of 600's and i've never looked back.

Your 702's will most likely last if you're careful but i'm just letting you know that there's a possibility that they could fail for no reason. I suspect it's because of china quality control.

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this is my shit

>>56167117
dolby headphone?

>>56166565
Well, I'm looking for a cheap pair under $40. Obviously they're not as good as wired, but I only want them for convenience. I hear the Bluedio ones are okay.

>>56167152
I don't think my dt 990 pro is dolby

Will the oppo pm-3 make all my dreams come true?

>>56167098
I had another pair of AKGs which lasted for years being hauled around in my backpack, so I'm not really that worried about large scale QC.

Maybe you just had a bad set. Pretty sure the manufacturing methods across brands are not all that dissimilar.

>>56167215
No. You'll still be a fat virgin NEET but at least you'll have decent headphones.

>>56167156
Bluedio turbines are great for the price according to reviews, I'm just trying to decide between those and an in ear set as my first Bluetooth headphones.

If you're not put off by having to order from China then bluedio is probably the best option

>>56167223
Your'e probably right. I loved the 702's at the time and I was gentle with them due to the weight and build, I also used a headphone stand etc.

Chao wong must have had a really bad fucking day and rushed my pair.

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>>56167339
Chao Wong is secret Sennheiser agent, he sabotaged your headphones.

>>56166486
>also HD650 has weak treble if it's not properly sealed
That's not a seal issue, that's the pad spacing breaking down from the foam inside the pad losing its resist being compressed. You can do this with fresh pads by compressing the pads as they are worn. No leak necessary.

>>56166824
The quote and statement don't match.

>>56166915
It's not power requirement. That bit is the same. The voltage needed does differ.

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>>56166738
pls help
Are the ATH-M30x's better sounding than the HyperX Cloud? If they're not or it's a small difference I don't mind buying the HyperX's but they look kind of 1337 MLG Pro Gamer™
I know buying headphones based on looks is stupid but I'm a little wary

>>56167498
about the same, i'd pick the cloud for convenience

>>56166270
rutracker and jpopsuki for the animeme music

>>56167529
>jpopsuki
I forgot I got an account there, I wonder if it still works.

>>56167362
Fucking dickhead. I should have known.

>>56167266
Just ordered them. excitement

>>56167670
>>56167670
>>56167670
>>56167670
>>56167670

NEW THREAD

I started it a bit early so the other shitposter won't make the OP and derail the thread with his 'rules'

>>56167683
At least wait for bump limit, faggot.

>>56167515
Thank you anon I am bad at decisions

>>56167727
I figured.

>>56167724
Didn't want the anti-wireless fag to make the new thread.

>>56167762
This drive to the bottom is retarded and only makes you look like a faggot.

Note to self: Make new thread twenty posts too early to make your anus hurt.

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>>56164855
people were making these type of o2's when nwavguy was still active and he encouraged them. It's just using extension cables to route to the back anyway.

The o2 is still like the best entry level amp imo, outperforming most things in it's price range in thd+n by an order of magnitude. And it straight up embarrasses amps from the "audiophile" companies like audioquest, audio gd, and schiit.

>>56167807
It was so satisfying to see NwAvGuy put Schiit in their place and teach them a thing or two about amps. Their damage control was hilarious too.

>>56167807
using RCA at all was not encouraged, it was not part of the licensed design. the loophole was that RCAs were included in the BOM for the future ODA that never happened.

>>56165847
That's a custom DT880 I think.

>>56167807
are you that simpsons poster? I haven't seen you here for a long time

>>56167829
people were doing it on diyaudio in his thread and he was cool with it.

>>56167724
Hanlon's Razor: Do not attribute to maliciousness what can be equally or better explained by stupidity. He probably just forgot the bump limit is at 310 not 300 posts.

>>56167979
Isn't it 315?

>>56167670

Okay you can post in the new thread now ;_;

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>>56168072
You tell me, chief.