PowerShell open-sourced, ported to Linux

>>56143865
Bash is better though.

>>56143888
Trips of truth

Powershell is gay

>embrace
>extent [You are here]
>extinguish

How can you port it to Linux? The whole point of PS is that like Windows it is object-based and not file-based like Linux. PS on Linux isn't able to do fuck all to the system and all over ent. apps that make PS so powerful.

Better off using iPython as system shell in Linux imo.

What's Microsoft plan with this?

>>56143865
It would be as useful as bash is on windows.

>>56143865
kek Microcucolds on suicide watch

>>56143865
>Powershell syntax

JUST FUCK MY LIFE UP FAMALAM

>>56143865
>MS
>open source
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

>>56144010
Publicity stunt?

Is there any advantage in using it over the alternatives?

Security Engineer here, POSH is god tier on Windows. Objects everywhere, interfaces with AD/Exchange/Sharepoint/Lync seamlessly.

Powershell on Linux would be terrible, stick with bash.

>>56144010
see
>>56143987

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>>56143865
>Powershell on Linux

>>56144068
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>56144153
Suck

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>>56143865
>Powershell
>on GNU/Linux

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

Don't trust anything coming from Microsoft.

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Who the fuck even uses powershell?
Oh right, Windows admins.

>>56144153
not be archaic as fuck

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>>56144192
>Embrace, extend, extinguish.

>>56143865
>windows still not officially open sourced
ayy

>>56144010
Make it easier to integrate with Azure and future products that will run on Linux like SQL Server.

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>MS has to give away windows 10 for free because nobody wants it
>they have to open source .net and other unpopular components because nobody wants them
Maybe they will try to make it proprietary in a few years again, but it won't matter since these tools are shit anyway

systemd-denialists aside people only use shell scripts for find, xargs, shuf, and occasionally looping, and sometimes maybe a bit arithmetic. it's all about launching binaries in a flexible way. it's a bit embarrassing if you don't know how to escape spaces but overall there is no need for a typesystem in a shell.

>>56144010
Take over the Linux ecosystem because Windows is a dying platform.

>>56143865
Powershell... Bwahahahahaha... fucking hell Micro$hit just fucking die already.

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>>56143987

>>56144010
Powershell has 0% market share.
They're hiding something else

>>56144001
this

>>56144010
Window/Linux

BASH IS DEAD

because of zsh

>>56144411
I firmly believe they're seeing it coming. Windows 10 turned out not to be the success they wanted.

I don't even get why they would do this but I'm tempted to try it

Is there any point to this for someone who uses bash or zsh?

>>56144576
Considering it was basically forced down so many users throats and it still didn't reach projected numbers. That's a bad sign. Windows 7 was amazing and ever since then these iterations have been shit. I mean 8.1 was okay and tolerable, but still not good. Windows 8 was ME tier.

>>56144576
I think their main intention with windows 10 is to cut down on their OS division. They want everyone to switch to windows 10 so they can cut support for windows 7 and 8 and the various windows phone OSes. Then they'll probably downsize their OS division and put more focus on Azure and MS Office.

At some point they'll probably just release windows 10 for "free" for everyone, unlike the previous offer that was available only to existing windows users.

>>56144729
Windows 8 is better than 7 though

>>56144589
No. Try fish if you want to experience something different.

https://fishshell.com/

>>56145133
Fish is dumb though. I actually think there may be more value in using something that has had as much as work/money put into it as Powershell than use some meme shell like Fish.

I don't think anyone will actually use PowerShell on Linux. It seems more like a PR move like when they released "Visual Studio Code" source and ported it to Linux.

>>56145222
Code sounds great and i'd use it if it weren't for the stupid forced hinting which makes my fonts look like shit and triggers my autism

>>56145189
Money yes, work, not necessarily.

>>56145992
Even if Mshit were hiring shithanded Pajeets to write their code, they would expect a certain standard from them, I'm pretty sure they have managers who are white, despite the head pooinloo.

>>56143865
>Is Bash kill?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>56146107
Not enough, the development inside the company is pure idiocy. See pic.

>>56143865
>No one takes powershell seriously
>MS ports it to Linux
kek that's not gonna work

>>56143987
That's only an issue if systemd/Linux software is subpar.

>>56146169
>dude check out this IRC chat logs, that's how you know it's legit
gr8 post m8

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>>56143865
>bash on Windows
>powershell on linux

>>56144045
it's actually pretty nice

>>56144001
>>56144114
>>56144314
>>56144411
>>56145222
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>56146356
I think it's nice too. It's verbose, but at least it's consistent and makes sense. "It should explain what it does" is a much better standard for naming than "It should require as few keys to type as possible", especially since aliases and autocomplete exist. Plus, being able to pull information from structured objects is amazing, especially when compared with parsing a single stream with grep/sed/cut.

>>56146386
Full fledged autism

>>56146344
I just stated what I meant in the previous post, anon can interpret the facts by himself,

>>56144010
Because: Microsoft have a terrible reputation within the FLOSS community. FLOSS is extremely popular and important nowadays (for instance if you don't have a github you are literally nobody). Microsoft lost the server OS war. Nobody likes Windows 10. They are starting to smell like another IBM. 99% of CS students never used any MS product for system administration nor software development. Basically they are scared as fuck and trying new things to get out of the death spiral.

>>56143865

Bash has decades of lead time and its been purified by open source. Developed over decades for speed and ease of use.

The fucking bash prompt is probably the best part of linux. Legitimately one of the pieces that is not shit. And I am willing to admit there is alot of shit.

It made sense for microsoft to import it but exporting their own power shell shit that no one likes doesnt make sense.

What the fuck is this going to accomplish besides people ignoring it?

>>56143865
EMBRACE

EXTEND

EXTINGUISH

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>>56143865
why the hell would I install some shitty NSA software on my clean GNU/Linux computer?

>>56146727
>GNU/Linux
>clean

Linux without Unix legacy shit when?

>>56143888
zsh is even better

>>56146727
>some shitty NSA software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux

>>56146817
systemd shill detected

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>>56146811

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>>56146727
To be a real patriotic American who supports his failing technology industry

>>56146507
>(for instance if you don't have a github you are literally nobody)
>Donald Knuth

>>56146678
Bash wasn't developed over the decades for speed or ease of use, backwards compatibility has been one of the major goals instead. Bash has a shit-ton of "Gotchas", and it's slower than shells like Debian Almquist.

But ZSH is better.

>>56146962
He's retired

>>56147106
From teaching. He's still publishing.

but powershell is trash

>>56147137
Considering how slowly he writes new volumes of TAOCP he has probably been working on the CAPTCHA to create a GitHub account for a few years already.

>>56147237
From what I remember from using it, it's a fair bit nicer than bash.
>handles tabular data natively
>consistent API
>modules to separate code
>object-based API

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>>56143865

>>56147532
windows hasn't got a consistant API

>>56147561
Last major WinAPI change was NT. So, pretty stable.

>>56147561
I'm talking about Powershell, which isn't the Windows OS. It's a shell. You got a little confused there.

>>56147625
????

it changes every few years
that is the biggest problem

>>56147663
>all NT binaries and many 98 ones will work on w10
What changes are you talking about?

>>56146962
>>56147137
You don't need a github to teach or publish. It's for software developers, numb nuts

>>56147663
I think you're talking about GNU/Linux.

>>56146839
>what is grsec's RBAC
>what is AppArmor

>>56146356
What does it say?

>>56144193
Asuka a fucking shit

>>56146169
Former Microsoft employee here

That's all pretty accurate. Some teams are a lot better than others, but in general most teams are absolutely awful. The bit about bug prioritization and refactoring is spot fucking on though.

OOP in a shell is a bad idea.

>>56148451
>tfw windows 8 was a thing because new things > fixed things which means more $$$

>>56146169
Sounds like the guy trying to add something is just plainly incompetent though.

>>56146224
Anon, I've got bad news.

>>56144729
8 and 8.1 are the same retard

>>56146404
Not having to write your own shitty parser to read data from another program is the best part of PowerShell. It doesn't matter how easy and quick you make slicing up strings, having structured data from the get go is just a better way to do things.

>>56146169
>Unfortunately, the other group decided that their API would only work on 100 users at a time.
Why would they do that? Legitimately curious, as I'm using another Microsoft service with a similar limit.

>>56146169
>noob here
What's wrong about the SQL query rant at first black line?

>>56148326
An open operating system does not only have advantages

As in, there are disadvantages.

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>>56143865

>>56144576
When they shove as much invasive botnetting and telemetry right into the OS, it's pretty clear that Linux is the best option to go to, not Windows "pls spy on me" 10

>>56143865
Powershell is a piece of shit, so no

Yeah all those handy cmdlets are staying on Windows. M$ is pulling an Apple by open sourcing an internal component of a product and then keeping all the components that make the product useful closed source,

>>56148451
Former Microsoft CEO here

It's wrong.

>>56148764
It returns a lot of useless data and the program has to do all the filtering, but databases can do filtering better because that's their purpose.

extend

>>56149670
exfoliate

>>56149700
Exherbo.

>>56147625
stable != consistent

>>56146224
Wow, really makes you think

>>56146356
>>bash on Windows
>>powershell on linux
The clusterfuck that is Windows,folks.

>>56143865
Literally no one will use it.

>>56149830
crashoverride might

>>56143865
Cmd:
wmic os get caption

Powershell:
(Get-WmiObject Win32_Operatingsystem).Caption

Bash:
Uname -a
(Or for distro)
Cat /etc/*release

>>56146958
Linux already won and linuxfags are still bitching. They are truly the cancer killing FOSS.

>>56145222
I actually used VScode for a bit on gnu/linux until I became a vim autist, it's okay for a lightweight editor

>>56150404
Not really. Linux supporters are tired of hearing "muh gaymz" and then back talk when wine is explained.

>>56149200
Bill Gates here. You're both wrong

>>56146224
>That's only an issue if systemd is subpar
Anon...

>>56150559
Yes really, and the example you gave is a really good highlight of how cancerous they have been.
>oh no a consumer wants a direct 1 to 1 or better translation or else they won't move over to another OS, better act like toe jam eaters

>>56146224
Systemd is probably the most controversial piece of software in Linux history.

>>56145222
vscode is fine

>>56150559
>and then back talk when wine is explained.
Wine isn't really a gaming solution. Most games made within the last 5 years run like absolute shit in Wine vs native.

You're better off getting a second GPU and using GPU passthrough in a Windows VM

>>56146224
Keked loudly

>>56144476
Haha what the fuck? I work at a fortune 50 that you faggots use everyday and we use powershell all the fucking time on the o/s team. It's a staple of IT.
Don't talk out of your ass.

Powershell is usually what is used to configure OEM windows to the corporate environment too.

>>56144001
I think the long game is to port the entire windows server suite of softwares to Linux and make the transition easier. Not really a bad plan. It surely will make microsoft more money than trying to make everyone use windows.

>>56144010
It has nothing to do with typical consumer end users. Microsoft wants to corner the server market and they're trying to do that through interoperability. Once a lot of people are dependent on Microsoft's "open source" technologies, MS will start producing Windows-only upgrades to said technologies and steal all the devs.

>>56150901
I see that as unlikely. There is no reason to try to force people back onto windows if you are selling licenses of SQL server on Linux, or AD, or Exchange, or whatever else microsoft wants to get working on Linux.

>>56144329
>.net and other unpopular components
>.net
>unpopular
top tier bait

>>56146828
>>56143888
fish is way better u cucks

>>56150938
How exactly does one get started in .Net on Linux anyways? What programming tutorials do I follow? Do I just use Xamarin Studio and try to follow along as though I am using VS?

>>56143865
PowerShell is garbage.

/g/ predicted this a little while back.
Screenshot this:
Silverlight will be next.

>>56151025
>Silverlight
Not even Microsoft cares about it. Next thing will be Office, I'm sure.

>>56151025
>Silverlight
Never heard of it

>>56146507
>99% of CS students never used any MS product for system administration nor software development
>software development
These statistics are a stretch

>>56151192
Doubt that. Office is not a developer tool.

Do-Noun -long-option-here

It's literally as bad as GNU long options. Don't bring it to Unix.

>>56143865
Extend Embrace Exterminate

>>56143865
Powershell is really really terrible and if there is one thing Linux doesn't need it's a new shell standard for special snowflakes to claim is the best.

>>56146727
>claiming everything is spyware indiscriminately makes me smarter than people who don't

you are disgusting and should die.

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I fucking hate Windows so much.
>100% disk usage
>91% update
Been like this for almost an hour.

>>56144729
Windows 7 was just a shiny Windows Vista, though. Even Windows 10 is still just a shinier Windows Vista.

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What a fucking joke.

>>56143888
neither is better, both are better in the environments in which they were designed.

>>56152436
try sudo

>>56152537
I gave up. I rebooted it and am just going to wait and see if it updates overnight. If I keep fucking with it I'll end up in a fucking psych ward.

>Hell freezes over

>>56152436
>>56152537
>>56152580
been having problems with windows update for a few weeks now probably has to do with binary transitions

>>56144001
ptpython you cuck

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>>56144329
>MS has to give away windows 10 for free because nobody wants it

Well businesses want it, that's their entire business model.

For consumers they're trying to move away from selling software and into the business of selling data. Making users pay for thee OS would just add a confounding variable to aggregating as much user data as possible to sell to advertisers.

>>56144114
Seconded, scripting with PS and Sharepoint is efficent. I despise SharePoint, but managing it was tolerable with powershell.

>>56152632
>>56152580
>>56152436
I bet you faggots disabled P2P updates.

Well that's what you get for trying to be special snowflakes.

>>56143865
You have either never used bash or never used powershell.

>>56144775
That's the problem. They have business objectives to pursue, and they're treating the users' wishes like an inconvenience.

>>56144039
So useless?

ksh for life

>>56146828
This. Currently running zsh with the bullet train theme. It's awesome. Installed it on a test machine to give it a try, but it was so good that I immediately installed it on all my machines.

>>56150554
>VScode
>javascript desktop application
>a lightweight editor
you bring shame to the word "retarded".

>>56146958
Holy shit

The FOSS community made VScode the ebst editor out there and I'm sure they will do the same with PS

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PowerShell ported to ReactOS when?

>>56149149
You can just rewrite them. What's stopping you? Powershell can create and use .net, com objects, compile C#, F# code. Those proprietary cmdlets have some custom assembly that can be rewritten.

>>56152091
Generally only the cmdlet names should be descriptive. Simple parameter names like "-File", "-Path" are almost entirely sufficient. You can also write short parameter names like "-F" provided no other parameter starts with that, if it does just include more letters.

>>56143987
>>56144329
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/ThirdPartyNotices.txt
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/LICENSE.txt

I don't see how that can happen. They can't sue others for using code that was once released for free.

>>56143865
oh boy, meme shell nobody likes

Should I write a webm conversion Powershell module?

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>>56159917
THIS
GIMME

Is there a Powershell tan? Power-tan?

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>>56143865
BASH BTFO AND BANKRUPT

>>56143987
It's FOSS and the genie is now out of the bottle.

See: Oracle's attempts at killing OpenSolaris and OpenOffice.

>>56146386
Sometimes I wonder why this isn't posted in every single thread.

>>56162509
God I hope that never happens. It's annoying enough as it is, only reason I don't filter it is so I can call the posters autistic

>>56146386
Maximum autism

>powershell
everything is an object and treated as such
>bash
everything is a file and treated as such

which one is better comes down to personal choice.

like most things once you get the hang of the syntax, commands, and the quarks of powershell its really no different than bash.

overall though i prefer bash. enjoy its syntax more and find bash less "bloat" over powershell. iirc powershell 2 had over 250 cmdlets built in and powershell 5 nearly 450, while bash has around 40 internal commands and 100 helper programs.

information overload with powershell. so much shit you have to remember.

>example
if i wanted to create a random 16 character cipher to use as a password in bash all i would do is:
>echo $(< /dev/urandom tr -dc _A-Z-a-z-0-9 | head -c16)

while in powershell (i found this googling it because i couldn't even think of how to do it powershell) it be:
>$Assembly = Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Web
>[System.Web.Security.Membership]::GeneratePassword(10,3)

>>56162753
>$Assembly = Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Web
>System.Web.Security.Membership]::GeneratePassword(10,3)

You're directly calling .Net with this. Having this is really useful, but I wouldn't call it Powershell specific. Learning .net is basically next step in Powershell adoption.

>>56151025
WHY DO ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE STARS IN THEIR NAMES

>>56163139
Years of service to 4chan.

>>56151953
Yeah.. I wish it was the case but it's not

>>56162903
isn't that sort of the problem with powershell though? yes that makes it powerful, but at the same time takes it above just being a shell with scripting support.

as op pointed out, with a simple bash script (a one liner at it) you can easily do it while powershell you have to invoke .net to do it?

from a pure administration standpoint bash works wonderfully well. not as high of a learning curve yet still powerful. if you need more control and flexibility you still have a plethora of other languages you can learn. just like going from powershell to .net.

>>56143865
I just use python. Powershell is garbage and bash is not portable to windows 7.

Powershell is basically C# if you tried to make it as hard to program as possible.

I look forward to this. Although there's already an open source Powershell project, I keep getting errors when trying to compile it, despite having all of the dependencies. Official Powershell would be nice. It was one of those few things I generally enjoyed about programming on Windows.

Bash is pretty essential to Linux, it won't be replaced.
If Powershell can interact with the Linux Environment, you can definitely see it being used in the industry.

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>>56152201
>apt-get update takes 10 seconds
>windows check for updates feature takes 4 hours.

>>56166811
>If Powershell can interact with the Linux Environment,
You'll still have to use all the Linux commands and Powershell won't understand the Linux filesystem.
So what's the benefit?

>>56162753
Look at both of those examples and say with a straight face that the bash one is more intuitive than the PS one or even requires remembering fewer trivia answers. The PS one is verbose and requires a lot of shift keypresses, but at least you can tell what the fuck it's doing by looking at it.

>>56143865
Powershell is nice.
Bash is powerful.

Powershell is shit, pretty much every POSIX shell you can think of is better than it.

>>56143987
>extent

also
> implying anyone is going to use that piece of shit over bash

>>56143865
Wake me up