Real Unix (especially BSD) is super fun.

>>56139040
Ever ran FreeBSD on laptop?

>>56139527
Yep

cuck license tho

>>56139614
How? If I could run it on my laptop I would. Why so smug about what OS you're using. Should I gaze upon you with envy because I lack the time and skill to tinker with every part of my computer to make it run something "different"?

>>56139040
Who is maintaining freeBSD ?
Does the linux kernel share codes with the BSD kernel ? Is it opensource ?

>>56139744
There's a BSD core team, and many committers.
Yes, FreeBSD is open source. The BSD licence makes it very easy for FreeBSD code to be used by GNU/Linux. Sometimes GNU code is used in FreeBSD, but the GPL licence makes it difficult.

What does BSD have that Linux doesn't?

>>56139940
A lack of GNU misfeatures.

>>56139956
Like?

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Why does BSD attracts cucks so much?

>Use BSD license
Companies steal code, closes it off and tells you to fuck yourself

>BSD User-Developer experience
Literally get hacked by own Project leader

>Placebo security
Un-audited ports, Nothing else runs in BSD without ports

>Compatibility
Some BSD cannot even have non-free codec packs. Not many proprietary software and drivers run on *BSD, specially OpenBSD. Many Realtek and Broadcom devices will never run because of its non-free only drivers.

>NO active development
Except for PC-BSD, there is no live *BSD desktop. OpenBackdoor removed Linux compatibility AND WINE. BSD market share is not rising.

>Less softwares than Linux
Cannot even perform Vt-d virtualization on windows guests. (Good for nothing). Behyve is miles behind KVM/QEMU.

>Community
Non-existent.
Few buttflustered autists that mostly comprise of mactoddlers (OSX is BSD :-DDDDDD).
FreeBSD is actually getting better though. I hope PC-BSD catches on but their primary goal is to fight own BSD counterparts' autistic community.


>Documentation
FreeBSD wiki has a good documentation but lacks contents.


>OpenBSD
OpenBackdoor is specially the meme of BSD community. It;'s a freetard BSD (Not even freetard Linux, that's less autism). No ZFS, no MAC, no jails, no non-free drivers, no non-free codecs, no non-free softwares, no Vt-d virtualization, no Linux compatibility, no WINE, project leader is a hostile autist that never grew out of teenage edge, no security in ports, non-existent community.


I am aware that many people use OpenBSD for nothing more than a router, and for this it indeed ideal. For the use of a router, extended access controls would not provide much benefit. I wrote this argument however because many people seem convinced that OpenBSD has suerior security in all instances and including as a network server or user operating system.

>>56140021
Seriously, who the fuck uses OBSD? It's a niche BSD that isn't for general *BSD use. Just fucking use FBSD.

-GNU user that respects BSD to a point (dislikes the license but can live with it). Honestly, if you're not using GNU or some variant of BSD (preferably not OBSD), you don't deserve to be in /g/.

>>56139970

muh --super -----long --------options

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As long as you're ok with shitting on your freedoms.

>>56140150
If you don't like --help, you can always use -h.

At lest my wifi will work in GNU/Linux

>>56140185
BSD is closer to public domain than the GPL is to public domain, therefore is more free.
>>56140190
I don't have a laptop, so I've never been able to test out wifi.

>>56140246
Freedom of code stealing

>>56140238
> BSD is closer to public domain than the GPL is to public domain, therefore is more free.
that's not how freedom works

>>56140260
It's not stealing, it's a donation, a gift.
It would be stealing if it was under the GPL though.

>>56140271
>Tyrone stole my wife
>"It's not stealing, it's a donation, a gift."
haha

>>56140246
Anarchy isn't true freedom. True freedom is the promotion of free software. The BSD license is the promotion of "use and abuse our code by locking it up in non-free software".

You wouldn't call a society where anyone can do anything they want unrestricted "freedom". Freedom works both ways, and the BSD licenses just pretends to be free and doesn't care about responsibility or freedom itself. It's merely lip service to true freedom.

>>56140271
It's not even about the feeling of someone 'stealing' your code. For the well-being of society all software should be free.

And when I say 'free' you know what I mean.

>>56140021
>le gnaa troll blog image
>le companies steals gifts maymay
>le ports have to be audited to comply the claims about the base install maymay
>muh zfs shit

>>56140286
Nice false analogy, anon.

>>56140303
>>le companies steals gifts maymay
>>le ports have to be audited to comply the claims about the base install maymay
>>muh zfs shit
Oh the denial

>>56140069
>Seriously, who the fuck uses OBSD?
People who don't want vulnerabilities in the updater and portsnap of their OS.

>>56140291
Anarchism and communism are one and the same, and yes, anarchism/communism is absolute freedom.

>>56140266
>freedom is only what the MIT kike says it is
No. We can have different conceptions about freedom. BSD license has a negative one.

>>56140338
>People who don't want vulnerabilities in the updater and portsnap of their OS.
Try people who wants no softwares

>>56140329
Oh, the irony.

>>56140338
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-August/001739.html

LOL

>>56140350
This.
The GPL is barely better than full and absolute copyright. Stallman even says so. He claims you can make money off of GPLed software, which is entirely unethical, and profits are inherently wrong.
However, the BSD licence prevents unethical things like profit.

>>56140350
Actually, the code that developers lock in their projects are only their original one wrapped around the BSD one. It just happen to have BSD code.
If the meme of the cuck license was true, then many companies should have win copyright lawsuits against BSD coders and then closing the code of BSD projects completely.
That hasn't happened yet.

>>56140516
If we repeat the same in different ways and forms, perhaps the GPL drones will began to understand our position.
Oh, and I gave a fine example of what should happen if the cuck license meme was true

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>>56139040
Ok, I'm fucking sick of it now...

As soon as my website starts bringing in da bux, I'm actually serious. I want to try UNIX. For real.

Which is best? FreeBSD or NetBSD?
How easy to rice are they? And are there any good premade gadgets, like Rainmeter for Windows (I can program my own shit, but I'd like this for convenience until I get around to it)?

Also, how good is graphics driver support?

And is there a way to get straight-up System VII? I'd kinda like the closest direct-descendant of AT&T/Bell UNIX, if possible.

Also, how's Solaris? Any good? Or is it shit like everything else developed by Oracle?

I'm in a fucking rage right now.

>>56141326
For reference, after my website, I will be investing in Xeon (probably E5 2699-V3, if it's still the best) processors, a server board, and FirePro W9100 graphics. Will I be able to get the support I need?
Those are the most important

>>56139674
>he likes the commie license

>>56140368
>However, the BSD licence prevents unethical things like profit.
What, lol?

BSD license explicitly states that you can USE the BSD kernel in commercial products and even sell it as part of your system.

Also, there's nothing unethical about profit

>>56141326
Graphics driver support is best on FreeBSD, unfortunately. I myself prefer OpenBSD, but either should be fine.
Solaris is a System V system that's gratis to use. Not sure about quality, people liked OpenSolaris.
>>56141377
For example, a company can use OpenSSH without paying OpenBSD, therefore OpenBSD doesn't unethically make profits off of OpenSSH

>>56141326
> Which is best? FreeBSD or NetBSD?
> How easy to rice are they?
WTF are you talking about. "Rice". Damn it.

>>56141397
>Graphics driver support is best on FreeBSD, unfortunately. I myself prefer OpenBSD, but either should be fine.
K, I'll make note of that

>Solaris is a System V system that's gratis to use. Not sure about quality, people liked OpenSolaris.
Ok.

>For example, a company can use OpenSSH without paying OpenBSD, therefore OpenBSD doesn't unethically make profits off of OpenSSH
Hmmm, ok.

>>56141413
What?

>>56139940

Copy center true freedom to do whatever the hell you want irregardless of whether RMS will sperg out or not.

>>56139040
>real UNIX
>BSD
nice meme
see what the creators of UNIX say about the BSD abortion

>>56140069
thats why it comes with a sound system?

FreeBSD has a HORRIBLE security record.

https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.txt

>>56140296

>99% of all free software is shit
>every single piece of free software is inferior to proprietary alternatives
>all software should be free

Retard.

>>56139940
*BSD is generally a whole software package that is designed in a way that everything works perfectly together. There's no systemd mess or anything like that, just clean code that works.

I'm not saying that it's always better but you should try it.

there really isn't any difference between "real UNIX" and Linux at all

>>56144638
You know what doesn't have a horrible security record? Linux master race, that's what.

>>56139710
You sound like a cunt.

>>56144774
you're comparing libre free of charge software to proprietary paid software
as a freetard I could pull the same fallacy by comparing RHEL or other paid libre software to proprietary freeware, which always ships with obligatory shitware and trojans.
and it crashes.

in a more lateral comparison, I'd take gratis libre software over freeware any day

>>56139040
BSD is kinda shitty.
No.
I'm being too kind.
BSD sucks.
Utterly.

>>56139940
OS.

>>56141348
>FirePro W9100
Should work fine but with patches(DRM 4.6).
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics

>tfw i can't figure out sysctl()
im too dumb for this shit

>>56144523
They actually liked BSD. Unix version 8 through version 10 were based on BSD.

>>56150181
this

only rob pike hated it because he's autistic

>>56140021
I like how /g/ collectively bitches and moans all day about how shit proprietary software developers are but always brings up the "but companies can steal your code!" argument. Why do you want them to contribute shitty code to your project? Why do you want other people to do your job for you? It's your project, not theirs, get to work.

the BSD license is the equivalent of an academic trashbin

It's a worthless license that you slap on to work that you don't want in the public domain

It fosters no sense of development community, on the contrary it encourages code to be absorbed into proprietary works (see Apple Sony etc).

>>56151063
>Why do you want other people to do your job for you? It's your project, not theirs, get to work.
You've never worked on anything noteworthy obviously since you think a project is supposed to consist of one or few people.
In the real world, peer review and contribution creates quality software while proprietary garbage becomes abandonware if it doesn't get absorbed by a corp

>>56139710
FreeBSD and PC-BSD are very easy to configure if you're familliar with unix-line OSes.... what is your problem other than not understanding how it works?

If windows came from factory without drivers or internet explorer you would be fucked just the same, it doesnt make it better or worse just default

>>56151102
>it's a trashbin
>it encourages work to be absorbed
????

>>56151261
called recycling
it's how you get resources for free

>>56151102
Basically any notable license prevents works from entering the public domain. Public domain is the author releasing all ownership of a work. If they do that they can never reclaim ownership of the work and no one can ever force authors of derivative works to release their works. It's not at all the same as releasing your work under a copyleft license.

As long as it's a licence discussion, BSD is better than public domain at preventing other corporations from patenting the same exact thing you made, since you still own the copyright.
The BSD licence takes away from freedom, but it takes away less freedom than the GPL does.

>>56151379
fucking GPL fags and their cognitive dissonance

the GPL does nothing but take away freedom

a license for software freedom should not be 339 lines long

the funny thing is to contribute to GNU projects you have to go through a bunch of lawyers and shit

>>56151403
Some day I'll try to contribute to GNU to get Hurd done, since I want to see people's reactions when GNU becomes an OS.
But man, GNU really makes things tough. They claim to make portable Unix programs but quietly ignore you if you submit bug reports from a system other than GNU/Linux.

>>56151379
You can't copyright things that already exist in the public domain if it can easily be proven that you did not create the work, it would fall under prior art. What you can do is take works in the public domain and make significant changes to them and then you'd own the new combined work.

>>56151427
i want to see it too but god help you if you want to actually contribute
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Contributions
so while GNU makes you do this shit, i bet all you have to do to join any BSD is just write good diffs and then eventually they hand you a commit bit

>>56151302
yes and BSD is a step away from that

>>56151478
Permissive licenses basically are like that cool dad from that one comic about the various licenses. You don't need a lawyer to triple check your contributions because there's no possible way for a permissive license to conflict with any other license.

>>56151520
the most permissive licenses are pretty much "do whatever you want, as long as you credit us and don't sue us"

>>56151478
also i missed this little gem
>Please don’t use “win” as an abbreviation for Microsoft Windows in GNU software or documentation. In hacker terminology, calling something a “win” is a form of praise. If you wish to praise Microsoft Windows when speaking on your own, by all means do so, but not in GNU software. Usually we write the name “Windows” in full, but when brevity is very important (as in file names and sometimes symbol names), we abbreviate it to “w”. For instance, the files and functions in Emacs that deal with Windows start with ‘w32’.

the GNU people are deluded

>>56151478
>legal papers
help

Also, I think you also have to have conversations with other committers before you get the bit. I got my diff in OpenBSD without papers though, at least.

>>56151499
They're quite similar but there's an important legal distinction. With a permissive license you still own the copyright. You can decide at any point to change the license on *your* copy of the work to any other license. On the other hand the authors of derivative works cannot change the license of the code they licensed from you unless they modify a significant portion of the work. They can freely add any other license to the work but they cannot remove the existing license.

>>56151132
>You've never worked on anything noteworthy obviously since you think a project is supposed to consist of one or few people.
Not even.

>In the real world, peer review and contribution creates quality software while proprietary garbage becomes abandonware if it doesn't get absorbed by a corp
Then why are you so buttblasted at the prospect of those "garbage" developers not shitting up your project with their shitty code?

>>56140069
>Seriously, who the fuck uses OBSD

People who get paid more than you.

>>56151817
>BSD users
>"""paid"""
hahahahahaha in case you haven't noticed, flipping burgers don't count

>>56151848
>hahahahahaha
christ you're obnoxious

>>56151817

one of the guys in town doing mail relay does

he's in the 1% of the 1% financially though

there might be something to knowing things

>>56139302
FUCK URSELF

>>56151817
I know tons of professionals since, you know, I actually fucking work as a sysadmin, and they wouldn't touch OBSD with a ten foot pole.

>>56152110
>I actually fucking work as a sysadmin
lol ok

>>56152110
me too i actually work as a sysadmin

tools for jobs

what kind of kindergarten are you supporting

hope the vacations are good you sound overworked bruh

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>>56139040
folks don't know bout my jails

>>56151571
gautism

>>56152123
I like how quickly you activate your denial mode

>>56153041
>muh denial
i hope to god you're not who i think you are

>>56153064
man, that's 2 sysadmins and one person who claims to know a sysad in 1 thread

finally some recognition

I'm studying system administration on BSDs since GNU/Linux documentation is abysmal.
Check this out:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

>>56151180
Drivers are kind of a big thing.

>>56146836

>I could pull the same fallacy by comparing RHEL or other paid libre software to proprietary freeware

And you would still lose.

>which always ships with obligatory shitware and trojans

There's nothing wrong with ads or telemetry.

>>56153141
not when you can install them
like
assuming you can find them

not all hardware is ready for use all the time everywhere i guesss
just ask nvidia at vista
or amd anywhere
or intel with their fucking linux wireless
i know it's ac guys but it's not fucking the theory of life the universe and everything

>>56151540
>do whatever you want, as long as you credit us and don't sue us
Not as free as your mom, then.

>>56153535
...what?

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>>56152110
>I actually fucking work as a sysadmin

>>56151979
sad thing is these people are going to be in charge of things in a decade or two

>>56152110
>OBSD

>>56140069
Actually OpenBSD is the general purpose BSD. It's great on a desktop, laptop, networking equipment, etc. Then you've got FreeBSD for servers, NetBSD for embedded use, and DragonflyBSD for whatever DragonflyBSD does

>>56152110
there's plenty of "professionals" who wouldn't touch anything but Windows with a ten foot pole, but that doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things does it?

OBSD breaking news:
linux compatibility removed
usermount removed
tmpfs remove
w^x is obligatory, one third of ports is not working anymore
video on youtube is still using 100% of your cpu
6.0 will be released in September but there are already 3 errata patches


That's real unix looks like

>>56155357
>can't be assed to type "pen"
>thinks compatibility with linux wasn't a bug

>>56155357
>one third of ports is not working anymore
duh