/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

>>56110866
First for T430 glory!

#BlackLaptopsMatter

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Have you ever been bullied for programming on a Thinkpad?

What's the reason for preferring older models over newer models? Won't the performance be worse?

>>56111037
Bullied =/= Unable to banter

>>56111047
It's a matter of price/performance ratio. CPUs haven't evolved in a significant way, so older models still perform very well and are way cheaper.

>>56111047
Yes but they're built like tanks if you go back far enough. Not everybody has performance-oriented mobile computing needs and most people have a desktop for serious work already.

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>>56111060
Some people can be very mean

>>56111047
Needs vary. Sometimes you want performance; sometimes you want cheapness. People often times own multiple machines for various purposes, anon.

>>56111037
Yes, till my T400 with a 850 EVO destroyed his shitty plastic laptop with a celeron.

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so is Ebay pretty much the only place to find used Thinkpads in Europe for a good price?

>>56111037
no, but a hobo almost stole my t420 at a mcdonalds once.

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What does /tpg/ think about white ThinkPads? Do you think white laptops look better than silver and black?

>>56111157
Check the buy/sell sections of some popular tech sites local to your country.

>>56111157
'murican here. I've heard most Euranons say that they have better luck on craigslist/swappa type sites. Others buy refurb from some German sites (more plentiful there for some reason) and change out the keyboard.

>>56111157
I bought mine from a local company that buys ex-leased memepads in bulk and redistrubtes them to consumers at a fair price. Some units they got have had nearly zero use over the lease contract (I think 3 years is the norm) and are in mint condition, few others absolutelly trashed but that showed in the price

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>>56111174

> Once you go black, you never go back.
> t. German

Why are Thinkpads so fun to collect?

>>56111174
That's hot.

>>56111174
That doesn't look like succesful-business-person-white, but sick-albino-nigger-white desu

>>56111157
So far I have not really seen any GOOD deals on Ebay (Europe here as well). Most of them end up costing just about the same as buying them refurbished from a dealer. +/- a few 10's € which, imo, is made up for by the security in easy returns if the laptop blows up.
Also these: >>56111184 >>56111212

>>56111362
Because they feel so good to touch and use.
Especially because of the nipple mouse.

>Ask seller for MTM because shittt description
>You cant ask questions to this seller anymore, try another one
Alright, but, why?

>>56111161
Did you bash him in the face with your heavy chunk of steel laptop?

What anti-nigger features do thinkpads have?

>>56111037
why would one be bullied for programming on a thinkpad?

>>56111749
>oh shit nigga why yo ass be stealin that cracka grampa laptop? this be worth like nothing nigga
>betta check out dem cuckbucks fo dem macboowks air nigga they be worth like mony

>>56111774
Niggers will be niggers.
Even if what they stole is worth nothing, they will steal itm

>>56111749
Black matte finish makes them invisible to nigger theft radar.

>>56111743
No. skinny crackheads are fast.

>>56111840
would you rather try to take easy profit macbook from a numale manlet with starbucks cup or some old ass black brick held by a fat sperg?

>>56111880
A nigger wont care.

the real question is
do black people own thinkpads?
any blacks here?

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Recently bought a Panasonic Let's Note CF-R8 from Yahoo Auctions via a proxy service recently and thought I'd share my impressions.

The keyboard is a little tougher than my X230's, but not irritatingly so. The japanese layout might take time to get used to, though, since it has a ton of new keys and everything is a lot more squashed together. Battery life is rather similar to the X230's, which came as quite a surprise.

Maintenance is a real hassle. There's the fact that all the guides and forums are in Japanese, of course, but the interior is also a bit weird. Unlike other laptops I've opened up, instead of having the heatsink connected and leading directly to the fan it has two thin pieces of metal-on-plastic, one for each side of the motherboard, that is literally just stuck on both sides of the CPU; I think it's mainly just held there by the sheer tightness of the screws. It's possible that the new models aren't like this, though. There're also quite a few seals that'll have to be removed to access the connectors and cables, but that's probably just for waterproofing.

>>56111880
I'd assume black bricks have more resale potential as there are always spergs looking for them, numales on the other hand prefer to buy their fix new from 'hip' places... Then again, I'm no nigger and might be over thinking this

what are non-scam prices for X230 in europe?

>>56112021
yeah I just bought a t420 from a black guy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302033447019
Did I fuck up? Probably yes, if so - how much?

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I was thinking of making a new thread for this, but kinda though it was unnecessary and was hoping you thinkpad bros could help me with this one.

My local craigslist has a Dell Latitude E7440 for sale for $380 with the following specs:

4th gen i7 2.7ghz
500gb SSD
16 GB RAM
14" 1080p IPS display

It has all of the nice things that thinkpads have like a trackpoint, robust build and a backlit keyboard etc, only thing it is missing is the fingerprint reader, which isn't even important for me anyways.


Should I do it?

Can the x220 connect to 5ghz wifi?

Also how bad is the screen resolution? looks like at best it's 720.

>tfw need a decent laptop but the x260s are backordered

>>56112700
I dont see why not.

768p.
But if you get the IPS version is really good.

>>56112700
> Can the x220 connect to 5ghz wifi?
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X220
It seems at least Centrino Advanced-N 6205 can use 5GHz.
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/centrino/centrino-advanced-n-6205-brief.html

At least Lenovo updated the UEFI on the t420 to stop interfering with the disk if it failed to detected a Windows or RHEL string.

My Lenovo b575 garbage laptop writes a 128mb partition to the disk and fucks up any OS you install to disk using EFI.

The only way it's even usable is installing MBR (most OS installers don't even give you that option now so you have to figure out a workaround for each one).

>>56112773
>>56112753
Interesting, thanks for the help.
I found a cheap one but with a gen 2 i5. I've seen guides on how to upgrade ram and HDD/SSD but is it easy to upgrade the cpu to a more modern one?

I can't seem to decide between the Dell Precision 7510 and the Thinkpad P50 lads

Any owners of either that have any input?

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>>56112450
Why'd you recommend against it?

>X230 as main system
>eGPU adds 8x graphics performance
>beats any T or W -series dGPU

Feels like a nice upgrade for me although I haven't owned a proper desktop in a while.

>>56112250
About 250-350€.

I want to buy a new laptop and I stumbled upon this thread, after reading the OP I'm considering buying a thinkpad because what I wanted was

>low price (around 200 euros, at most 300)
>well built
>not very heavy

and I would use it to watch my nerd anime and play some videogames that are not very demanding (emulating ps1, the new touhous...) with a conected controller on windows 7. The purpose is to carry it with me on trips to replace for a bit my desktop computer

Are T60-line machines considered ancient?

>>56113172
>beats
Except it doesn't beat anything. Do you enjoy disabling postprocessing and shadows in all gaymes because of insufficient memory bandwidth?
Also your eGPU is not even remotely mobile, while I can gaym on my T430 while being in a car, on a beach, in my work. Anywhere.
Also streaming server >>>>> eGPU
Just take a desktop computer, install steam on it, hide it somewhere and use the streaming feature to gaym on your x230 anywhere you are in your house.

>>56112572
>ThinkPad with same specs
>$380

Would be well worth it.

I haven't tried any recent Dell Latitude keyboard, clitmouse or build quality though so hard to tell.

What's a good way to sell my T510 and what would be a fair asking price? It's got the NVS 3100, 6gb RAM, HD+ and a hybrid drive

>>56113234
X230 with IPS

>>56113257
They're at the bottom of povertytops that would be considered acceptable (with linux or XP if you like to live dangerously [also arguably better for GPU support]) for the modern web. Forget anything over 720p and be prepared to cook your nuts in any respect with video media.

>inb4 some T43p anon with Arch who visits text only sites and yt-dl scripts every video calls me a fag

>>56113361
The Dell 7000 series is somewhat like the X1 carbon series I think, but a bit thicker. I have no experience with the Dell keyboard, but it is a business class notebook, so I'm guessing it is at the very least halfway decent.


Just left the guy a voicemail, like you said the specs seemed too good too pass up.

>>56113426
that's grossly expensive

>>56112021
The first thinkpad I ever used belonged to my black friend's dad. We used to play Rome Total War and shit on that thing.

>>56113699
that's not a very sanitary thing to do to a laptop anon

>>56113319
>claims about performance with no benchmarks
>gaming at a beach or at work
>buying a separate streaming computer for gaming

To me you make little sense.

Although I admit I'm not much of a gamer myself and I usually read or watch videos while in transportation. The eGPU upgrade from HD4000 was almost at a magnitude level with an old card like GTX 750Ti.

>>56113426
>check the X230
>its absolutely the opposite of everything that I said on the post that I want

you are doing it on purpose, are you?

>laptop is arrives in city about 2-3 hours away 10 hours ago
>going to take 1-2 days to arrive
what the fuck

>>56113711
>To me you make little sense.
Maybe that's because you're reading it wrong.
If you don't need much mobility then at least invest in streaming server, so you can actually move your laptop between rooms INSIDE your house.
If you want to gaym outside your house then just get a T430. Mine can handle GTA V at 1600x900 and everything set to high at 30fps. What more do you want?

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>>56113710

Kek

>>56112976
You can't replace CPU on X220 because it's soldered directly, unlike on T420.

>>56113823
T420 won't handle quad core CPUs anyway.

>>56113862
You can install 35W 3612/3632QM Ivy bridge if you flash coreboot, very few people have done that though.

>>56113906
>coreboot
enjoy your 50% CPU peformance degradation
also
>35W quad core cpus
Just don't.

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>>56111063
Older had better build quality. Went downhill starting with t430.

>>56113925
>enjoy your 50% CPU peformance degradation
[citation needed]

I'm not really interested in flashing it anyways, but it's still neat that you can actually use Ivy bridge cpu in T420.

Can I slap a 1080 screen in my 1600x900 t420s?

>>56114021
Not without LVDS to eDP adapter.

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>>56111749
Touchpad acts as video related for security
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lgDiAInFLY

>>56113723
>opposite of everything that I said
No it's not..

>>56113723
are you literally retarded?

>low price (around 200 euros, at most 300)
>well built
>not very heavy
>videogames that are not very demanding
>carry it with me on trips

thats exactly X230

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>>56111749
Can disable trackpad. Nigger nervous system can't into touchpoint.

>>56113823
You could, if you have a BNC station. Who the fuck does, though?

>>56113447
>>inb4 some T43p anon with Arch who visits text only sites and yt-dl scripts every video calls me a fag

This thread >>56111286 may be of your interest.

Getting a laptop for uni, either getting a E/T460 or i can get refurbished X230 with a 1 year warranty.

I will be using this laptop for entertainment during my commute as well, if the newer lenovos provide a better user experience i really don't mind paying more for them.

wat to do?

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>>56114216
ah

I was mistaken, I didn't have enough time to do an exauhistive search and ended up with pic related. When I came back to the thread I searched again and it seems that it was a stroke

sorry

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>>56114435
>wished to fuck somebody in the ass
>opposite will happen
its fine too

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>>56114430
wait, what the fuck is this

>left my X220 gathering dust on the shelf
>decide to power it on
>check event viewer to see the last time I turned it on
>11th May

Man, I've missed the keyboard more than anything else.

Sometimes when I'm using my track point or touchpad in my x220 the mouse starts to drift in a random direction for 2 seconds then goes back to normal, wtf is going on

What is the Anti-Thinkpad?

>>56114435
I wish you won't wake up with butt cancer.

what was that thinkpad guy's name on youtube? the /g/ meme guy. i want to check his videos.

>>56114506
Louis Rossmann

>>56114500
Macbook

>>56114571
thanks.

>>56114453
In Soviet Russia, ass somebody in the fuck!

i'm buying an x220 soon, but it only has 4gb of ram. i want to upgrade to 8 or 16, but i have no idea what to buy
http://www.newegg.com/Crucial-Laptop-Memory/BrandSubCat/ID-1455-381
everything looks the exact same
how do i know what will work and what wont?
sorry for being retarded

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>>56114571
>Louis Rossmann
>((( Rossmann )))

>>56114083
Thanks guy

>>56114722
Complete with stereotype confirmed tier mommy issues that would make Larry David cringe.

>>56114342
Thanks. I made my recommendation, but either way it's a toy/museum piece in the current year. I hope he didn't pay much for it.

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>>56113319
>Except it doesn't beat anything. Do you enjoy disabling postprocessing and shadows in all gaymes because of insufficient memory bandwidth?

Not the other anon, but I happen to have an X230 with an eGPU (pic related, heavy temps because I'm working).
The only games I've ever encountered bandwidth limitations were GTAV and Wolfenstein The New Order.

In both of them I can play at high settings with little latency and with comfortable FPS (40+).

Also, you're missing the point of eGPUs.
>playing at work
>playing in the car
>playing on the beach
You're a retard.
I take my laptop to work, do my work, then I come home, plug the eGPU and enjoy some gaming. I payed nickels compared with I woulçd have wasted on a gaming PC, and I can play games that came out THIS YEAR at good settings.

>>56114904
Not related to your post, but how do you like the keyboard on your x230? I'm not really a fan of chiclets in general but people say it still feels nice

>>56114950
I'll be hated, but I'll have to say I prefer the keyboard on the X230 to the one in the X220/T420/etc.
The keys have better feel, the keyboard flexes less. The only shitty thing about it is the layout and lack of forward and back buttons. But you get used to that IMO.

>>56113257
Yonah is barely getting by. You can have a workable browsing experience on it, but it's really on the edge of functionality. Fortunately, you can swap a T61 board into a T60 to upgrade to a Penryn Core 2 Duo, which handles modern tasks much better than you might expect.

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>>56113862
u wot

>>56115064
>90ºC

>>56115064
>50W

>>56115100
>stress test
I reached 95-98c with my 2520m at load so it was an upgrade even in temps.

Both with fresh thermal paste and muh pea method.

>>56115138
After how much time did it throttle and fuck up performance?

Just got my T420 in today. Am I just not used to laptops or is the touchpad ass?

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>>56115161
Been stressing it with cpu-z since i posted >>56115064 and throttles to 2890mhz but doesn't go any lower, i wouldn't be surprised if it throttles a couple of mhz more after a while though.

Getting the supposed 3.3ghz turbo boost is very rare and i was sort of expecting that but at 2.8-2.9ghz runs cooler than the 2520m i had so it ended up as an upgrade but ymmv.

>>56115410
Trackpoint or go home.

>>56115410
if you want a good touchpad buy a fucking mac

>>56115549
>>56115535
but the trackpoint isn't accurate at all
also, why didnt anyone tell me about the fucking eye strain I get from looking at this screen?

>>56114500
lenovo

>>56115638
>isn't accurate at all
It's a matter or practice and setting the right sensitivity, two days at most.

>fucking eye strain I get from looking at this screen
Yes the t420 screen is crap but stop exaggerating faget.

>>56114500
t440

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>>56114490
TrackPoint automatically calibrates every second or so to avoid constantly moving due to bending or badly aligned cap.

It's pretty easy to trigger this by applying a steady force to the clit. The cursor should move steadily and then just stop after a second or so. When you release the cursor will move to opposite direction for a short while and stop.

Not sure if this is a thing for the Windows driver.

Does anybody know the release cycle or rumors about new thinkpads? I really want to jump in, but I also really want thunderbolt. Generally speaking, when might I be able to see this in a thinkpad? Or where might I be able to find out? Thanks folks!

>>56115901
Its not an OS thing. I get it on xubuntu and on my RT3200 too.

>>56114485
What did you replace it with?

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has anyone switched their chiclet keyboard on their T430 for the classic keyboard and patched the firmware? how was the process? (easy or hard)

Brand new X220 owner, here.

Computer looks great, runs great, but one big problem: No drivers, and I'm having difficulty locating them. Every fucking piece of driver-hunting software costs money.

can someone redpill me on sandy bridge vs ivy bridge?
is it really that big of a difference?

>>56116338
wut

Linux doesn't have any driver issues with the x220 and for Windows just type the serial number of your thinkpad on the lenovo site to get drivers.

>>56116365
>cpu
not really

>igpu
yes

Why getting a x230 tablet over a x230? Woudl a tablet version get in the way with linux?

What model would you guys recommend?

I already have a nice asus laptop that can handle gaming and media but I'm looking into a shitposting/work machine and not spend a awful lot of money.

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Finally my ThinkPad professional backpack just arrive today

>>56116411
x220/x230 are 4chan machines
Just depends on which keyboard you'd prefer, really

>>56116451
Can you replace the screen? These older machines have a really shitty screen.

>>56116475
I don't know how to because I'm dumb, but you definitely can

Overpriced?

I like the 6 GB of ram, the bluetooth, the fingerprint reader and Webcam.
Seems solid to me, but I would like your opinions.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-12-5-320GB-Intel-Core-i5-2nd-Gen-2-5GHz-6GB-RAM-/112094764545?hash=item1a195e5e01:g:Jf8AAOSwhMFXknH3

>>56116049
I've done it on an X series. It's not terribly difficult. Just go thru the readme one step at a time.

>>56116541
fingerprint readers are useless.

>>56111060
Spergs making inherently inept attempts at banter often end up being attacked physically.

>>56111352
>goyim letters in white
>shekelstein letters in gold

>>56114500
Any HP laptop with an AMD E CPU.

>>56116582
the ones that can log you in when the power is off are kinda cool

>>56116384
I did, and it popped up a bunch of drivers. Which is fine and well, but none of the wireless drivers listed make a difference, so I'm huddled by my wifi router plugged in like a retard.

Fuck I hate Windows.

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http://imgur.com/a/0m3a1

holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>56115660
underrated

>>56116911
>wifi problems
This is why there will never be a Year of The Windows Desktop.

Linux just werks.

>>56116924
Holy shit that's gorgeous. Anyone has that wallpaper?

>>56116911
Get ThinkVantage System Update, it'll hold your hand through the whole process.

>>56117112
Yes.

Another new X220 owner, here. Holy shit this thing is tiny.

Related: the wiki instructs how to install Ubuntu 11.10, but the official distro is up to 16.

What do?

>>56117206
split the difference.

>>56117216
>split the difference.

Joking aside, I legitimately am not sure what you're trying to say, here.

Which thinkpad would be good if I were to use it mainly for photo editing and some media design stuff?

>>56117252
x41t

>>56117165
C-can you share it?

>>56117274
Much appreciated brother

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>>56117292

do you swap the fn and crtl keys?
why/why not?

A friend has several T410's that he's offering me for $100 cancuck bucks.

One thing that's concerning me is the CPU and motherboard temps. Is 50c idle alright? Anyone with a T410 that give any input on this?

>>56117334
jaja well meme'd

>>56117245
install gentoo instead.

>>56115660
kek

>>56117340
Nah. Fn on the left is the way it was meant to be.

>>56117206
download the .iso, dd it to usb stick and boot from it. Everything should werk

Found an amazing deal on a t440s the person doesnt know anything about computer
I have to wait 20 days for my payment :/

I got a thinkpad w520 off of ebay and it came with a shitton of bloatware (norton, simpletap and the like)
Is there any way I can obtain a trustworthy Windows 7 ISO and install the default version of Windows with the OEM license?

>>56117804
the internet

>>56117826
but how do I know which link/torrent is trustworthy?
normally I'd use KAT but, you know...

>>56117804
No

lads with docks, do you use them? my T400 came with a dock and the cool branded keys but I never use it

>>56116924
Is this a shop or something?
I can't find results on the x320 or x330 on google

>>56117340
Yes because i got used to Ctrl | Fn.

>>56117838
the one that has the same md5 or sha-1 as the original

>>56117976
Yes, eGPU setup + Docking Station is nice.

>>56118051
The eGPU can work through a dock?

Got a Fan Error on my T430. Tried cleaning it but still no avail. Any suggestions?

>>56118062
Mine doesn't, but if you use an adapter with expresscard it's as simple as docking your thinkpad for ethernet + peripherals and plugging the expresscard cable.

>>56110866
>>56106338
bump
I would really like to upgrade my t420 off of this god awful 1366x768 screen

>>56118024
Its a mod on x220/230 a bigger screen and stuff by chinks its really cool what they do to thinkpads

http://reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4xyxmt/51nbs_x320x330_coming_available_today_thread_4/

>>56118200
Sadly, I would only buy the screen+adapter+bezel. They don't sell those, only the whole computers.

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>>56112572
Thats well worth the price, especially with that much ram.

Just be careful, sounds too good to be true.

>>56113447
T60p can run Win7, idk about Win10, maybe, haven't had one in awhile.

>>56115926
the trackpoint is that sensitive that nearly any minimal amount of pressure on it, it still will make it go crazy.
You just learn to move it away or hover over it.

>>56116434
Nice.

>>56118179
You need the 900p LCD Ribbon cable before you do the Alienware screen mod.

Its been done twice by posters here, and from it sounds, it might be better than a T430 with X1C display.

>>56118092
Might be unplugged. :P

Or maybe something is stuck in there, like a dust bunny.

>>56117804
A lot of ISOs here
>http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/
If you want an ISO specifically for your COA.
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows7

I just checked that german site, there was a good amount of seeds for Windows 7 Ultimate.

>>56117340
I'm too used to it, when I had an HP 8760w I would sometimes press FN when I wanted to press Ctrl...
But since I load up OS on laptops all the time, I've gotten used to keyboard layouts from the big 4.

>>56117352
That idle is fine, if it bugs you, a repaste won't do much harm. check the HMM as to how to take it apart.

>https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t410_t410i_hmm_en_63y0535_06.pdf
Page 95.

I have a T410 and I like it very much but it could be a bit newer and faster. Should I go find a T430 which has newer parts and should feel faster at least in theory?

Are there any bad sides about T430 which make it objectively worse than T410? I am aware that the keyboard has changed but maybe I can get used to that. I haven't tried it yet though. Is there anything I'm getting that I'm now missing?

>>56116410
Not really, but if you don't need the tablet you might as well leave it there for someone who does.

Speaking of that, what will you fags do when the older thinkpad models are too old to be usable on a daily basis in any capacity? Where will you go?

And, doesn't it scare you that there might not be enough of them to meet the demand for that long?

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I managed to revive a T61p from going to scrap with the hairblower technique

Installed Xubuntu

Did i do good?

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>>56118667
T430 will benefit you with USB 3.0, better battery life, HD 4000 graphics can play low end games good, you could drop a quadcore in them now too if you get a unit with a 90W AC adapter.
However, 16:9 aspect ratio, not being able to use 3rd party batteries and yeah the keyboard layout.

Also my speakers suck but I don't know if I can do the Dolby digital driver mod on Linux.

>>56118722
my T43p can websurf somewhat OK
T60 intel gpu can run youtube with Zorin and T2400 Processor.
People buy T30's when equipped with OBDII software.

>>56118806
Good thing you didn't have to bake it.

>>56118858
Somewhat ok will eventually turn into not at all tho.

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>>56118885
True, my A31p strugges, so does my iBook and PowerBook.
Still keeping them because muh nostalgia, muh collection.

Sold this puppy for $250 :P

>>56118858
I already turned the oven on and disassembled half-way until i realised i can try the hairdryer trick

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I Just won a t430 on ebay for 185$ with 6gb, 3320M, and the 1600x900 screen. How did I do? is the meme keyboard really as bad as everyone says it is?

>tfw no mroe thinklight

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Is it possible to find a copy of my original x200 bios somewhere on the web?

>>56119071
Yes it is, you can replace for the price of a t420 keyboard, and a metal file.

>>56114483
It's probably one of the last new x230's being sold, or just someone on Amazon trying to scam normies.

>>56118806
Just realised this has a 1920x1200 screen

wew

Why the hell do they trash the hard drive caddy and cover? I can understand the batteries, but the cover?

>>56119470
The companies stripping them down before sending to the recycler don't care to spend any more time completing their directive (remove the HDD) than is necessary. It's junk/scrap. They don't care about the recycler/reseller/end user.

>>56113117
bumping

>>56119071
No it's not. The 420 keyboard is just a bit better, but the 430 one is still pretty good.

>>56119071
While I ultimately opted for the classic keyboard, I ran each of them for several months at a stretch and only just came down on the side of the classic. Make your own decision, but give it a chance.

i really want a laptop that runs ubuntu perfectly, im still not sure if i should really git a thinkpad or save for something like a system76 laptop

>>56112572
yet another shit ultrabook with ULV CPU, soldered ram, """""sleek""""" looks and all that shit.
Stick to real laptops, anon.
Also, that trackpoint is complete shit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T520-423946U-Core-i5-2-5-GHz-8-GB-RAM-320-GB-HDD-DVDRW-/361680174871?hash=item5435d17f17:g:DqgAAOSw6n5XqNmc
Anything wrong with this one?

>>56120689
http://tp.krelay.de/index.php?type=423946U

Fisher Price-tier 15.6"@1366x768 panel.

At that size, I wouldn't buy anything less than 1080p.

>>56120824
Ah, then no. The person I am getting it for does not really care about that.

>>56120848
I think this is more important if you're getting it for somebody else. They're going to blame you for their eye cancer and you'll be expected to drive them around and shit.

>>56120917
They are currently using a Toshiba c655 with water damage on the side of the screen. Is it worse than those screens?

>>56120926
Well, if that's what they're already used to, I guess it won't matter. But it's a lateral movement, not an upgrade.

Making a hasty decision simply for the sake of it being done is nigger-tier thinking.

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Can someone identify this thinkpad? I want to say it's a t450 or t460, but the glossy screen doesn't match.

>>56121355
L series probably.

T61 for $45 if i have no laptop yes or no?

x220T for $140 sounds ok right?
All X220T have a IPS screen right?

How different is it to the x220?

>>56121567
If it all works, the battery holds a charge, and you get a charger, sure.

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>>56121355

rear, the bottom looks like a t450 or t460. were either of those made with a glossy screen? do the the L / edge series use the same molds as the T series?

>>56115064
Now stress both iGPU and CPU with turbo enabled and see what happens

>>56121968
What real world scenario would slam both simultaneously like that? Serious question.

>>56121996
GTA V
any modern gaym

>>56121996
gaymen.

But i don't think someone who uses a t420 with hd3000 and installs a quad core on a laptop that wasn't designed for it is going to play gaymes on it.

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>>56122025
>not using t420 with nvs 4200m dgpu
Oh wait, T420 won't handle quad core cpu and dgpu.
Unlike t430...

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anyone have any experience with these mice? they're cheap and match my x220, and i just want a small mouse i can throw in my backpack.

>>56122190
is it wireless? if so I might get one aswell.

>>56122378
it is. you can get them for around 20 bucks on ebay, i might as well.

Which thinkpad is more suited for a libreboot/coreboot?

Was recommended a T400 but I would just like a secondary opinion

>essentially need to make it backdoor free

>>56121355
looks kinda like the first gen X1, the 2011

>>56122396
perfect, will order tonight.

>>56122554
x200 is easy to hardware flash. With the t200 you have to remove most of the screws, on the x200 you just need to remove the palm rest.

>>56122604
*t400

>>56122574
let us know how it is. what will you be using it on?

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T440p for £300 from eBay. I feel like I got a good deal. i5, 8gb RAM, 18 month warranty remaining

>>56122673
it's always weird seeing a post i made on the internet in a photo. i don't know exactly why

>>56115499
>throttles to 2890mhz but doesn't go any lower
That's not actually throttling, it's just not boosting, and looking at your temps it definitively isn't throttling/not boosting due to temps, it's definitively power limited which might happen due to a 65W power supply, what supply are you using?
The T420 throttles at 96 C

>>56122044
>playing with the NVS4200M
You know it is barely faster than the HD3000, right?

>>56122804
>lying on the internet
Can your HD3000 shit iGPU handle crysis like nvs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIKw-wrexA ?
Does it have 2GB of dedicated vram? No? Does it overclock as nvs?
Then how fucking retarded you must be to say stupid shit like that?
Here's a difference:
NVS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZoba2jrM_0
HD3k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFkm9AgxwbM

>>56122863
>>56122804
well excuse my autism, but you're still wrong.
nvs 4200m is a lot faster than hd3000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGvInucScMQ
It's also overclockable and it still has dedicated vram.

>>56122554
>Which thinkpad is more suited for a libreboot/coreboot?
X60 if the specs are enough for you
To flash it you literally only run 4 lines in the terminal

>>56122657
x220, im getting it off Amazon, so it should arrive monday-tuesday next week (europefag here)

>>56110866
why is my z61m not a thinkpad? i really like it :(

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>>56122554
no such thing faggot

see >>56120776

x200 would be a good choice for libreboot compatibility, however.

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I already have an X220 and an X220T, but is it worth getting an X200s just because it's cute? I mainly just shitpost and watch videos.

>>56122883
>nvs 4200m is a lot faster than hd3000
It's not, it can definitively beat the HD3000 on a few games and on old games at the lowest settings, on all the other games the difference is less than 10 FPS
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-NVS-4200M.47343.0.html
Both of them are thrash anyways, the only reason to want a Nvidia T420 is if you really want to stick to Windows, since Intel drivers are ridiculously abysmal on Windows, specially for SB and older hardware

>>56123014
>less than 10 FPS
10FPS makes a lot of difference if a gaym works on 10FPS under hd3000. At 20+ it's actually playable.
I was able to play bf3 at nvs 3100m (t410) while it's absolutely NOT playable on hd3000. 4200m is even faster.

>>56123014
>believing benchmarks
stay cucked, naive fuccboi.
I owned all four dgpus (nvs 3100, 4200m, 5200m an 5400m) and I know what I'm talking about. You can't expect cucks from notebookcheck to actually be competent. They're literally testing these gaymes on standard bloated images from lenovo. Do you still believe this horseshit?
kys

>>56121968
It throttles because of the high temps of course, same thing it did with the 2520m.

I'm using an eGPU though so no big deal.

>>56122789
90W. I don't have the nvs dgpu.

>>56122789
>not boosting
which is exactly how throttling mechanisms works.
>power limit
there is no such thing. If your laptop consumes more power than provided from psu it just drains power from battery.

What is your guy's opinion on the p40 yoga?

What's the good thinkpad fo gayman?

>>56123141
x60s

>>56122190
I bought a Bluetooth one used. Seemed to work fine when I rarely needed to use it but then I noticed it would periodically shut off and on again. Whoever sold it to me off Ebay may have ripped me off but it was too long to raise a complaint so whatever. I then bought another one new, and it seems fine, but again I rarely needed to use it (Trackpoint, nigga) and haven't touched it in months since graduating university.

>>56123034
>At 20+ it's actually playable
How ridiculously low are your standards? 20 FPS is only playable on games that aren't real time, which is pretty much limited to turn based strategy games
>>56123056
>I owned all four dgpus (nvs 3100, 4200m, 5200m an 5400m) and I know what I'm talking about
No, you don't, specially if you're actually basing your stuff from retarded Youtube videos
>You can't expect cucks from notebookcheck to actually be competent
Notebookcheck is literally the only big laptop reviewing site that isn't completely retarded
>They're literally testing these gaymes on standard bloated images from lenovo
Most of that testing isn't even made on Lenovo laptops, truly shows how much you know when you can't even read the page, though they usually use outdated drivers, but they also use outdated drivers for the Intel benchmarking
gb2youtube and keep watching LinusShillTips and Pewdiepie
>>56123093
>which is exactly how throttling mechanisms works.
A lot of people consider throttling when the CPU goes below it's base clock, not the boost clocks
>there is no such thing. If your laptop consumes more power than provided from psu it just drains power from battery.
There's such thing if your battery isn't charged, since the *60 series and probably before, the models that ship with the 95W brick will throttle heavily when using the 65W brick, they sense whatever wattage the brick has using the signal pin the connectors have, the Thinkwiki has a bit more info on this
Boost clocks are also limited on quad cores when all the cores are under load, iirc the 3.3 Ghz boost on the 2720QM is only applied if a single core is under load

>>56123014
>notebookcheck
>benchmark
kek

>>56123014
>the only reason to want a Nvidia T420 is if you really want to stick to Windows, since Intel drivers are ridiculously abysmal on Windows, specially for SB and older hardware
Can anyone provide any more information on this? Or is this just BS?

are the screens on x220 and t420 that bad?

>>56123235
it's bullshit. He's probably referring to windows 10 which considers hd3000 as deprecated igpu.
I wouldn't take anything seriously from a guy who uses notebookcheck benchmarks as an argument

>>56123187
Nice logic you got there.
>>>/v/

>>56122604
Hmmm I'll consider this. I mainly wanted the t400 because it was upgradable if needed. Particularly replace DVD for second HDD to use a SSD.

>>56122894
Yea I need a bit more. I don't mind the extra work to flash it.

>>56122944
I'll make it as backdoor free as possible.
Like for the other guy will consider the x200 for the portability.

Thanks guys.

>>56122945

It seems that people around here dont like the x200 because every question about it is pretty much ignored.

You'll find that the x200 is very similar to your x220, except for the trackpad, and the processor: a core 2 duo that you will find nostalgic.
You may want to use a lightweight distro on this one.

I'm thinking of getting one for your same purposes. How is your x220? Is it too heavy? Does it heat too much to have it on the lap? Does it make huge fan noise?

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Should I?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/162150413925
>197 Dollar + shipping

>>56123642
Yes!

>>56120585
It's much cheaper to get a X230 or T430 than a system76 laptop. Buying a few years old ThinkPad (X/T/W) should be a sure way to get a well supported Linux laptop.

The newest ThinkPads usually have some hiccups since Lenovo likes to mix things around. Fixes usually land in major distros within a year of release for that perfect out-of-the-box experience.

>>56123635
That might be true. Hm, it's cheap, I might take it..

Absolutely love my 220, not heavy at all in a backpack. Haven't used it on my lap in a long time so I can't really tell you, but I think I remember it being pretty hot.. Fan noises are not a problem though

Where do I go if I want to buy a used/refurbished x230 with a nordic keyboard?

>>56123715
If you find a cheap X200 you should get it just for the libreboot factor alone. Especially if you manage to find X200s with the WXGA+ screen.

>>56123771
If you live in a nordic country you should head to your national auction site or national refurbished laptops stores. Just google the model you want and restrict the results to your language. You can also try googling "X230 used" in your language.

If you want it just for the novelty of it without speaking the language you should just get a ThinkPad from your area and find a nordic replacement keyboard.

>Intel Pentium Dual Core P6000 / 1.86 GHz

Is this enough for a notebook?

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>>56123865
Only for this kind of notebook.

Anyone has any experience with ThinkPad tablets?

/g/, why does a computer slow down over time?

I've had a refurbished t420 for almost a year now, and it's ran great as I would expect it to. But recently, like say the last month or so, it's been lagging doing simple things. Like on video playback, or games loading.

I haven't installed anything that runs in the background, and my games are either through Steam or GoG.

I don't understand what would cause these hiccups in performance. Is it likely I just installed some malware or something?

>>56124037
monitor cpu, hdd and ram of different programs. I'd recommend Process Explorer

>>56124037
>using windows

>>56123835
A used (not refurbished) x230 with 180gb SSD for 320€ is the only thing I could find under 400€ from my country. Is that an okay deal?

>>56124099
>>56124125
Ok I'll try it out. You think it must be related to something using too much cpu or ram then?

>>56124285
Could be, also maybe monitor temps and check if the cpu throttles

>>56124299
ok, I thought it might be temp since I haven't really cleaned it out since I got it. Not that I really could do much aside from using some canned air

Thanks for the tip

>>56124339
I've changed the thermal paste on my t420s, which made at least some difference. It's supposed to be very easy to do on the t420.

can you change cpu on x230 or its soldered? same question for ram

Guys I have a laptop with 0% battery capacity, broken hard drive and it's a HP 620 with a C2D T4500 and 2GB of RAM.

It hasn't been working for a while now and I would need $60 for a new battery, $60 for an SSD and around $25 for 2 GB of RAM since I live in eastern Europe and everything is expensive here.

Is it worth getting it to run for $150 or should I add cash and get a 14.1" T420 with a i5 2520 for around $280.

I have an SSD and 4 GB of RAM for my X220. Works pretty smooth.

Would 8 GB of RAM make a significant difference, or should I just chill out for now?

>>56124144
Seems fair for nordics if it's in good condition and has the layout you want. Hopefully 8GB or more ram and IPS display too.

>>56124406
X230 has soldered CPU and 2 RAM sockets.

>>56124587
For serious usage you want to go to 16GB. I'd consider 4GB unacceptable these days.

>tfw got an X1 Carbon for £299
It's actually quite good, why do so many here rag on it?

>>56124626
eh, is there a big difference in performance between weakest i5 and that one i7?

>>56124635
autism

>>56124635

Depending on the Gen, the keyboard was pure trash. The 2016 x1carbon and x1yoga look good though.

>>56123139

Looks solid, however I prefer the x1 yoga to it. Especially if you don't beed the quadro. Gotta get that Oled display.

>>56111212
gebruikt.com if you're in the netherlands.

excellent service, I can always go there if one of my ThinkPad's parts would break, the seller told me

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Opinions on the X220 tablet? I kinda sorta need a touch screen for work (or at least it's going to make my life about a million times easier) and found this model for under 300euro.

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hey dudes is y700 a good lenovo thinkpad laptop?

>>56123949
With X230T. Useless buy unless you REALLY are using the drawing function.
Without any use for drawing it ends up being wobblier and bigger version of X230.

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Just got my x220. Should I install debian?

If a Thinkpad was a girl, what'd she look like?

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>>56125848
This

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>>56125848

>>56126116

The trackpoint is in the wrong place.

>>56119071
The T430 still has a ThinkLight, but I have no idea how to turn it on.

>>56126167
FN+Space

>>56126167
Fn + space cycles through keyboard backlight and ThinkLight on my X230.

>>56126220
It does the same on T430 models with keyboard backlight. On those without, it simply turns the thinklight on or off.

>>56116015
I've been using the Dell M4800 more than the X220 as I haven't been traveling much

>>56125831
that whore is disgusting. literally silicon contoured shit. I'd rather fuck a bird.

>>56126541
Like that would be an option for you.

>>56126567
I have a dog but not a bird, good observation

>>56126607
That poor dog...

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In from Freedom Land and just bought a x230 with a UK keyboard. Can I buy a US keyboard for the same model and replace it just like I would with replacing a keyboard regularly.

Thanks.

>>56126676
yes

are there any board schematics out there for the t420?

>>56112572
I have one, with the i5 processor.

The machine itself is pretty solid, tough. I used it at the uni on a daily basis, then at work using a docking station.
During conference calls / cpu or gpu stressing applications, it tends to get hot (usual Dell syndrome) and very loud. This is the only con that I can bring up. Trackpoint is shit indeed, I don't really use it, but the trackpad is OK.
Cons: tough built, great display, nice support (NBD), good keyboard (compared to the next gen E74xx machines), and it's very light. I like to bring it with myself and really like to use it at home.

Altogether: for 380$, go for it - you'll get a great laptop for the price. Get a docking station as well (PR03X with USB 3.0), and you can be comfy at home.

>>56123792

Dude, I'm about to buy me one with the 1,6 GHz core 2 duo just for that reason, for about 91GBP.

B-but I feel that I don't actually need it. I'd like to give it a use of 4chan and youtube, but i already have a tablet and I feel that x200s is not powerful enough to execute flash.

Also, if i want to use it in freedom, I should use a libre distro, which look horrible, and maybe watching youtube goes against the principles.

I'm in love with the damn thing :(

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Ayy look what I got
>Spanish layout
>Cheap and free shipping

>>56126738
Thank you, anon

>>56127418
>Ñ

>>56127418
>34 mil
I got my dankpad keyboard for 25 mil + free shipping because based Chinamen.

The US enter key is uncomfortably small and i missed the dedicated memearrows key.

>>56127447
I'm a spic so I need muh ñ

>>56127471
I sometimes see people with the large enter key and the odd keyboard layout on x201's... What do I search for to find replacement keyboards like this online?

>>56127532
iirc the spanish, japanese and UK keyboards have the large enter key, just look for one on ebay, aliexpress and the like.

>>56127532
ISO

>>56127532
>>56127548
It's called the iso layout, as opposed to the merican ASCII layout

How does the X220T works?
Everything is behind the panel?

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looking at the parts sheet for my X250 there's "displays" section and "lcd panels" section

what's the difference? why are they separated? am I just retarded?

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>>56127548
>>56127558
>>56127567
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X200-X200s-X200s-X201-X201i-X201s-FRU-42T3762-Keyboard-Japanese/1361967976.html

Is this the same? Do I just need to change my keyboard layout after installation for it to detect the nippon characters, or is it automatic?

Awesome, I can look more like a weeb!!

>>56127532
Basically, any european keyboard has this layout.

Is it just me that finds the ASCII layout's enter key disgusting?

>>56127651
I like the idea of a bigger enter key, I miss it a lot as it is. Easier to feel for than what it is now, I'd assume.

Hey /tpg/. Relative newfag to Thinkpads here, and I just got a T460s. Is there anything in particular that I should know or do?

I was gifted a x260
Did I score?

>>56127641
The jap keyboards are pretty rare, but yeah, I managed to score one for my X220.

You just have to change the input if you want to use the moon runes

>>56127698
Free is always nice, now sell it and buy an X220/30

>>56127641
>Is this the same?
if it says compatible i don't see why not

>Do I just need to change my keyboard layout after installation for it to detect the nippon characters, or is it automatic?
I guess you'd have to change it, with all the kanas, runes and shit.

>>56127641
Za warudo nippon kan shin shang

>>56127711
Why would I want a x220 over the x260?
It's even got an i7 and the 1080 screen

>>56127711
>>56127714
>>56127718
I bought it on Ali for $22 + free shipping, so I expect a month for it to come. Yay!

While I'm spending money I'll go full-autism and buy a Linux sticker and cover for the windows key.

>>56127651
Actually Spain uses an ASCII layout. The one anon bought from eBay is the ISO layout used in Latin America.

>>56127641
>that tiny space key
kek

>>56127954
Yeah I noticed this, I'll have to get used to that at least...

>>56127969
I was worried about it at first as well, turns out I've always only pressed space in the middle anyway so wasn't a problem.. Might be if you have tiny little bitch hands I guess

>>56128044
Good, yeah that's not a problem for me. I wear extra large gloves at work. B)

>>56127431
Sure thing, it's easy. There will be screws marked on the bottom for keyboard removal and there's one little connector for the keyboard underneath. All x230 keyboard layouts will fit in a x230. Sell the UK one on eBay or keep it for a spare or spare keycaps/switches.

hello /tpg/
I want to get a thinkpad for myself after getting one for my nephew, he has the t400 model and it works great for what he uses it for. (Gnome is a terrible DE for it though)

I would like to have an oldschool styled thinkpad (doesnt have to be made by IBM) and be able to run gnome and a little CSGO

what thinkpad should i get and PLEASE dont say the t30

thank you.

>>56128218
>and a little CSGO
t430
or t420 + dGPU/eGPU

hd3000 runs csgo at low like shit

>>56128218
T420 with dedicated GPU

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>>56127881
I've seen some spanish keyboards and none used the ASCII layout.

>>56128317
>ASCII layout
What the fuck

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Any opinions on the t420s?

>>56128593
I like mine.

If i cant find a IPS X220 should i buy a X220t?

>>56128897
I'd say buy an IPS and install it yourself. Unless you really feel like you could benefit from a convertible.

>>56128593
Shit battery life
Shit TN Screen

>>56129017
What would the differences be between them?
Would maintenance be harder?

>>56129017
I'm tempted on this for my x201, but how bad is the installation? Is it directly compatible, as in I just follow a screen disassembly guide and plug it in like the normal screen?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Orig-BOE-AFFS-Lcd-Screen-Panel-HV121WX4-120-MATT-for-X200-X201-42T0569-CCFL-/121377994894

Also see a few cheaper ones I might try for, they claim to be the same model.

>>56124837
I bought the first gen one. Honestly the keyboard feels just as nice as the X240's.
Gen II's keyboard is just poorly designed.

>>56129107
Maintenance would be the same, but the tablet version is bulkier and doesn't feel as sturdy (flame on)

>>56129175
Trust me, it's super easy. Unless your're doing some crazy high res mod then it's just a matter of replacing the old one. A few screews and a connector.

>>56129312
For certain? The model number is "HV121WX4-120" for the one I'm looking at, I just want to be certain the controller is compatible so I don't get this fucker and end up crying because it's useless.