Why is this shit being pushed so hard? I was just denied a train

>>56104256
They can't track you with cash.

also banks like cards because they generate interchange fees. businesses (as in "anyone who accepts money for a product or service", public or private) like cards because paying interchange fees is much easier and faster than handling, counting, storing, and transporting cash. Both of them like the idea of keeping a database of everyone who buys things from them, what they bought, for how much, when they bought it, and from where.

>>56104256
country?

>>56104319
Australia

>>56104331
and just because you didn't use a credit/debt card?

>>56104338
It's an opal card. It's like a debit card but only for public transport.

All cash terminals at the train station were closed and I was told to buy opal or walk home.

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>>56104331
well what do you know, shitty internet and no freedoms.

Just stage a rebellion in the name of the good ol' US of A, we'll gladly annex you.

>>56104350
We have something similar here called an ORCA card, its like an e-purse for transit, it uses NFC and it'll let you do x-fers. (if you take 5 buses in 2 hours, your only charged for the first one)

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>>56104350
Talked to the bus driver and he let me on for free though so its not all bad, but FUCK OPAL.

>>56104375
It has its advantages, but I just hate the way it's being forced onto everyone.

My city's bus system has had NFC cards for god knows how long now, but the bus drivers still do accept cash.

>>56104256
>car breaks down
>attempt to take bus to college for next few days
>look up time tables so I arrive early
>arrive at bus stop at 7am
>bus is late, comes 20 minutes later
>finally get on the bus
>"where's your card??"
>"no it's fine i'm paying cash"
>"i can't accept that you need a card"
>"please step off the bus sir"
>everyone behind me had a card even the homeless guy in tattered clothes

fuck public transport

And this is what you get for abandoning private, simple, no bullshit cash for your credit and alternative payment method bullshit.

You have no one to blame but yourselves. Welcome to the surveillance state future. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

>>56104256
Terrorists use cash.

I recently moved fro Seoul to Calgary. In Seoul with a 'tmoney' card you simply swipe wherever to use transit, all your transfers are automatic, it calculates your fare... Here in Calgary you need to count out coins and show them to the driver who gives you a paper transfer. It's comically antiquated and annoying.

>>56104375
The difference is that ORCA isn't forced, you can still pay cash on buses and at train ticket kiosks.

>>56104463
HEY I LIVE IN CALGARY.

>>56104481
Shithole, only here gearing up for a trip. Today was the first actual summer day (weather wise) in the month I've been here.

Also haven't taken a bus where the driver didn't randomly go on break for 10 minutes leaving everyone sitting there. How in Christ does that still pass in a developed country.>>56104481

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>>56104480
This.
I wouldn't have minded getting an opal because it's more convenient, but now I'm regretting it.

Just came it, feeling a little bitter.

>>56104418
Guess what? Normal people don't want to wait for some faggot to spend minutes fumbling around with change when trying to get onto a bus.

>>56104418

When you looked at their time table you didn't think of looking how much a fare was or how it works? Very few transportation vehicles today will actually take cash because of the risks and hassles of it.

A month ago I was in D.C. had never been there and I had to use the subway, researched it the day before didn't have no problems. Those systems exist because of reasons, you need to take the bus/train you're going to have to conform to it.

Inb4 I don't want to be tracked.

If they track you at all its so that they can coordinate/manage schedules, you're just a dot on the map to them.

>>56104350
>tfw even Adelaide has ticket machines ON the train
>they accept eftpos/paywave too...

>tfw I don't have to do that stupid tap off shit like MYKI either becuase Adelaide Metro still uses the old 2hour system, even with Metrocard.

>>56104494
What are you talking about? it's hot as fuck all day and then it rains. That's summer dummy.

He was probably going to the bathroom.

Can't you buy a one-use fare at a machine with cash? Does the card actually have to be registered in your name?

>>56104463
>I went from being tracked by an oppressive government to being free
Speaking of comical.

>>56104546
Not anymore, it's opal or fuck off

>>56104418
Meanwhile in Germany I just buy my half-year tickets with cash. Interaction is literally just showing the ticket to the operator

Why do other countries need to make everything so complicated?

>>56104538
Calgary "hot as fuck" = anything over 20*

Also has rained constantly here. Used to live in Banff don't remember the constant rain all summer.

>>56104564
That sounds convenient as fuck

>>56104463
That's more of a north american thing. Canadians love cars almost as much as Americans, which is why our mass transit is generally left to stagnate.

And as an aside, paper ballots for elections is actually more secure than the electronic machines down in the US.

>>56104566
Clearly not a part of the energy yet, I see.

>>56104494
>Shithole

then fuck off gook, Alberta for the most part is one of the more beautiful places in Canada to visit.

Shithole is Montreal or Toronto, but still better than any Amercian city.

Is this in america? I haven't been to a metro in a long time.

>>56104367
It's cute that you think that comic actually is a serious representation of the differences between conservatives and liberals.

Considering that the group who always wants to force people to work for the stuff that the government gives them is the right-wing. From "welfare to work" programs, to plans to do the same shit with foodstamps, to practically making labor camps during the great depression, conservative governments can't stand the idea of helping people who actually need it, for no compensation.

And for all the talk of personal responsibility, they're awfully capable of ducking it when it comes to everything Trump says.

>>56104737
Montreal is pretty great used to live there to.

Calgary is probably the most American big Canadian city, in that it's spread out and stagnant. Whole city is shut down when the sun goes down. Everything is so massively spread out, and yet there's little quality green space.

Apropos this thread, my brothers who lives here tells me the mayor is giving all poor people unlimited $5 bus passes or something.

>>>/n/

>>56104418
Fuck you for having your car break down, that's your fault

>>56104513
They make these magical boxes that count change. I know it's hard to believe but they can count out a fare in seconds.

>>56104808
Yeah I'm getting one soon because I get autismbux :)

There is so much greenspace, wtf. We're renowned for that shit.

>>56104898
not really

why the fuck should I get my hands dirty doing fucking maintenance?
i'll leave that to a minimum wage scrub.

>>56104770
Explain where in the Constitution anyone has the "right" to food or healthcare or any other thing liberals want to give away for free by borrowing money from Jews.

>>56104375
Whaddup seattle

>>56104256
Is there at least an Anonymous mode like Myki in Victoria.
Also you can buy the cards on the bus here and use them right away, no bullshit registration needed.

>>56104256
This shit pissed me the fuck off too.
Just get an opal card though, it's cheaper than cash anyway in the long run.

>>56104256
>Why is this shit being pushed so hard?
Obvious tracking, how new are you?

>>56104969
dont bother, he still doesn't understand the difference between positive and negative rights

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I'm pretty sure they do this shit because it lets them add $1 to your fare because they're selling you a new fare card and people tend to lose them.

they're just reloadable cards after all

>>56105045
You have to register...

>>56104511
Aus fag!! Did you see the stink USYD kids threw at the goverent requesting enrollment info to get a concession one?

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>>56104898
Yeah what he said you breaking down fuck. Indigity must come naturally to a person such as yourself.

>>56105131
Was that the protest last semester?
I just took a nap on a beanbag in front of NAB

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>Americans are discovering NFC public transport cards
>after discovering credit cards with chips and PIN codes

You just can't make this shit up.

>>56104969
>Explain where in the Constitution anyone has the "right" to food

No wonder your country is collapsing.

>>56104350
Pretty sure it states in your constitution that your currency is universally valid and acceptable.
Which makes denying your payment with cash a crime.

Check it, you may sue them over it.

>>56105199
hah, we don't even have chip and pin. it's chip and signature. the retailers don't care that signatures provide zero security, they're worried about saving ten seconds per transaction at the register.

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>>56105271
>you may sue the Australian government

>>56105300
Yes, you may sue the government. That's what supreme courts are for.

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>>56104256

>>56104375
Some UW student reversed engineered the ORCA system and was almost arrested. Apparently they used to store the dollar balance on the card itself (according to the guy), making it theoretically possible to create a spoofed card with unlimited rides.

Look up Farebot on Google Play (might be on F-Droid too since it's MIT licensed) for a proof of concept.

Also, Tacoma here. Get me out of this lower working class garbage neighborhood.

>>56105199
Where I live we have pin, but no chip. Banks are rolling it out chips en masse now though.

We have transport passes in NYC that are one time pay for unlimited uses for up to a whole month. You can still be tracked by them though, they digitally log each use.

>>56104256
Stop being such a Luddite. This shit is better than paper tickets in almost every conceivable way.

>>56105271
False.

>>56104256
Get used to it, electronic payments are tracked easier since every payment has your name tied to it. Give it a decade or two and you won't be able to pay with cash anywhere.

Thanks to EU funding, my city pushed the same kind of shit for public transportation, every card is tied to a bank account and they pretty much require to know all your personal details to get the card.

Regular ticket prices went up 3x and they obsoleted all the other means of getting tickets to make sure everyone buys one. Even children.

Normies didn't object to it, so now it's real.

>>56105572
The price went up because you live in a socialist shithole where unions ask and government oblige because muh votes. It has nothing to do with the means of payment.

>>56105271

Australia's government is LITERALLY composed of criminals, and their sons and daughters. What more did you expect?

>>56105361
They need to store the balance on the card so you can process it quickly in the bus even if the reader is in offline mode.

They also have a central database with all the card information and balances and they sync up data from the readers there. If they detect anything funny they just blacklist the card and/or contact the card owner. The blacklist gets synced up to the readers.

That's how they do it around my area at least.

>>56105629
Whatever the reason, the result is the same. It doesn't matter.

>>56105572
How do tourists buy tickets? My area has anonymous 10x tickets and day tickets designed for tourists.

>>56105572
>Give it a decade or two and you won't be able to pay with cash anywhere.

I can hear the muh enviroment arguments already.

>>56104969
constitutionalists are the worst kind of people. Why do you hold a document written by a bunch of wealthy rebels 250 years ago in such high regard? There is no way they could have forseen how the world would change in that time.

American reverence for their own history is astoundingly arrogant.

>>56104256
Because it saves you money and it saves the government money.

>>56105670
get an education in stochastic reasoning

>>56104256
>2016
>not cycling

>>56104768
Austria

>>56104768
god damn it, dude, it says NSW right there on the corner

>>56106907
New jersey south west?

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>>56105271
I AM A FREEMAN ON THE LAND THIS MONETARY BILL IS A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT IF YOU DON'T LET ME ON THIS BUS I WILL TAKE YOU TO THE SUPREME COURT AM I BEING DETAINED

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>his public transport doesn't allow for contactless payment by your card

>>56107762
Shut up Richard

New World Order reptilian Nazi tracking system, the mark of the Beast 666.

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Japan is almost entirely cash based, with the exception of IC cards for mass transit. Convenience stores and some major chains accept those same cards for purchases.

I never see anyone use them that way, but I sure as hell use them myself. Why would you not want the convenience of skipping cash and coin payments?

>>56105263
That's not an argument if you want to get things done then amend the constitution legally you day fuck
>>56106835
The constitution is directions for and why the government is what it is. It clearly delineates the differences between the people, the state(local government) and the federal government. It is our our founding document that outlines why the rules are the way they are. Issue we have is lawlessness and people making shit up when the constitution was written in plain English on purpose so laymen could understand.

To say that following the law is "ridiculous" is beyond arrogant and childish. Follow the amendment process or get fucked

>>56107813
what's up with his fingernails? is that a disease?

>>56108332
Ye

>>56104331
australia has trains?

>>56108457
Ikr

>>56104552

>retarded american believes that a company desiring more efficient boarding and fare collection is equal to an oppressive government

I guess you're the same guy behind this post >>56104367

Kill yourself

I notice I'm the only person around me that still pays cash.

Is this really what people want?
Never touching money again?

>>56104331
there you go

in many ways Australia is pretty much a dictatorship

>>56112053
Yes

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>>56104517

retarded shitsatane, the bus does take cash.

pic fucking related, you see that god damn shoot there? you toss the coins in and you board.

stop being a fucking trackedtard and man up.

>>56104564
Because in third world countries, 99% of the population is just going to print the ticket.

psyprepping you for MoTB

>>56104770
>no compensation
lmao

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>>56104256

they can literally switch off your money as soon you said something wrong. works extreme good in Ukraine where local jewligarch just switched of server in half million town and people had to vote his guy into mayor position or "our server crashed we need time to repair it" would go for month. took only 1 week when whole town came on their knees and voted his guy so they can finally get their salaries noted on accounts. people literally can use only his bank cards and it cost a ton of money to transfer it to other bank or into cash.

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Even though it's convenient they literally keep a record of every single journey you have and this can be accessed by any member of staff who is permitted to use an oyster reader device

Makes me pretty paranoid desu

>>56113709
if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

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>>56104367
>implying natural law is real
>implying the government's actual purpose is not to oppress and enslave
>implying "liberals" and "conservatives" aren't both set on doing that

>>56113765
I enjoy my privacy and having a smug member of staff observing that I get a certain night bus frequently even though unreleated to my query certainly violates that privacy

>>56113830
>having a smug member of staff observing that I get a certain night bus frequently

How does this affect you?
Do you think they're going to follow you home and stab you?
Do you think you're being gangstalked?

>>56113874
>you can't dislike things without having a good reason

>>56113898
If you don't have a good reason, how can you dislike it?

Your argument is falling apart at the seams and it just seems like you need something to bitch about because your life sucks so much.

>>56113874
Post your email address and password or alternatively please screenshot your past 5 text message conversations and post them here

After all, you've nothing to hide!

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Even my shithole is better with this shit, lmao

>>56113926
your oyster card only stores your transactional data with their database you dumb shit

every action you take with the transit system is data in their systems that they can store in a database

it has nothing to do with surveillance.

>>56113963
It literally shows them the station barrier you've tapped into and whatever bus you've been on, fucking retard, go up to one of their kiosks and ask them to tell you which stations and bus journeys you've recently been on instead of chatting shit

>>56113963
Police can also request access to oyster data but keep being a statist cuck

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/14/transport.ukcrime

>>56113919
Irrational fear, hatred or disgust are things that exist
Also I'm not the guy you were initially talking to

>>56114012
>>56113982
Are you commiting crimes?

>>56114027
>what is legal or illegal today will be the same in the future

>>56114093
You spergs always use this argument but you can never give any good or realistic examples of some benign action suddenly becoming felony-tier illegal and ruining your life.

>>56114110
lewd chinese cartoons

>>56114133
but anime porn is already illegal in your shitty police state, britcuck

>>56114110
30 years ago it was illegal to have an opinion in my country and it could get you tortured

>>56114027
So you believe the police should be able to invade all aspects of your private life and privacy just because they have the suspicion of you committing a crime?

You also presumably disagree with the idea of warrants for searches too? In fact, why don't doesn't the state just install survelience cameras in all homes, nothing to hide nothing to fear right? The nanny state will keep us all safe.

>>56114110
Saying mean things on Twitter is now a criminal offence and can result in jail time so there you go

>>56114207
only in britcuckistan

>>56114211
You were replying to posts relating to Britain you fucking mong

>>56114227
i'm not that guy, you dumb sperg

>>56114267
Get some fucking reading comprehension then, the comment chain was about the UK, spastic cunt

>>56114027
Yes.

Every single day, because there are hundreds of fucking retarded laws on the books.

I probably fucking broke one writing this post.

>>56114110
Kill yourself.

See that little line right there? In the past few years, it's become illegal. If your bitch, $2.50 ass decides to go off yourself, i can be put in a prison for it.

>>56114319
the United States has more than 4 million laws, more than any single human being can know. Ignorance of the law is no excuse? Yet no man living has the capacity to know them all.

every single American is a criminal. By design, of course. Selective enforcement is a time-honored tool of control and political suppression.

>>56114538
america is a shithole thought

>>56108269
I've got an icoca on me right now, brother.

I am a big faggot and should kill myself

>>56104949
Ironically, those are people with Bachelor's of mechanical engineering

>>56114027
Okay, nobody seems to understand this very simple concept, but going to jail is not about crimes that you've committed. It's about what can be proven in court. If it can be shown you were in X place at Y time, you can be suspected of a crime and charged. While the system is designed to try to avoid it, innocent people DO go to jail, and very often because of simple shit like that.

Had a bad night? Took a train to the park to get some air, try to relax? Well look here, there was a dead woman found in that park. Killed within 20 minutes of you being there. Your footprints were found near the bush she was at. Don't have an alibi? Darn, guess it's up to the jury, with only that information.

>>56114538
While our legal system needs a cleanup, a lot of the laws are written in somewhat open ended manners, specifically because of how creative crime can get.

The legal system exists to sort out the guilty from the not guilty. You can kill someone, but there are several different crimes that that action can fall under. Manslaughter, Murder, etc.

Nobody is convicted for "killing someone" they are convicted for the crime that they have been judged to have committed based on the evidence and circumstances of the situation.

>>56114718
>living in a shit neighborhood
>being a friendless loser with no alibis

you deserve it

>>56112313
>Everything is the same everywhere you dumbass

>>56114778
>shitposting

This is the real crime right here, folks.

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>>56104256

>>56114792
Black lives matter

>>56104350

And how are you a vicïim of this? Just get the fucking card.

>>56104367
>abortion laws
>flag burning laws
>patriotic oath
>marriage laws
>transgender bathroom laws
>creationism in schools
>violence in video game laws
>adult video game laws
>FCC
>patriot act
>trickle down economics
>"""""""""freedom""""""""

Fuck you.

Conservatives are the most liberticide shitheads in the universe. The only "freedome" democrats threaten is the freedom to dispose of the money you would otherwise own before a modest tax increase. You were never entitled to fiat money in the first place and conservatives aren't fighting for zero taxation so that's an idiotic point from the beginning. Stop being a self-entitled twat and trying to rationalize it with phoned in phylosophy.

>>56113709
oyster cards are anonymous though. You dont need to register your details for the card.

>>56118665
i'm pretty sure all these transit cards are anonymous, you just buy them at kiosk.

the only people complaining about this shit probably think gangstalking is a real thing too

>>56118338
>flag burning laws
flag burning is protected speech unless the flag isn't your property
>patriotic oath
you don't have to recite the pledge.
>creationism in schools
im almost certain this isn't a problem anymore
>violence in video game laws
>adult video game laws
please elaborate, australia is worse
>FCC
>patriot act
i can't argue with you there
democrats are just as bad as republicans anyway.

>>56104949
kek i'd love to see you pull that shit off in /o/

>>56108288
>amend the constitution legally
yes I too can argue whilst ignoring the practical realities of the situation :^)

>>56118775
>car fags get mad about the truth

that guy's problem is that he didn't have the car maintained properly.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to do the maintenance yourself, and economic forces dictate that menial labour like car maintenance is paid near the minimum legal rate.

if people get mad about that, well, lol.

>>56105263
Not even close to collapsing. Nice imagination though.

>>56104969
Those things are required for life.
We have a right to life.
QED.

>>56104969
Nobody said it was a constitutional right. But it is not a constitutional right to keep 100% of the money you earn to yourself. And if the majority of people decide that taxing and spending is a good idea then it is their right as the citizens of a republic to enforce that on the whole population. This is a fact.

>>56104256
Isn't it illegal to refuse cash for a business transaction because it's "legal tender for all debts public and private"?

>>56120076
No, and you're grossly misinformed.
A debt is not incurred until a service is rendered.
If you're at a restaurant and the bill comes and you already ate your food and they refuse to accept your paper money, you can legally walk out because you attempted to pay and they refused to accept a legal currency.

Now, if you're at a store, and they only accept credit cards, or only bills smaller than $20, etc.
They have every right to refuse your payment because a service or good hasn't been given to you.

>>56104256
Because you're holding up the line fumbling with your wallet.

>>56104256
>everyone pays cash
>$100 milllion lost every day in man hours of people waiting in line to pay cash
Contact payment is a good thing.

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>>56115436
not bad

>>56120199
>line of people
>everyone is paying credit or debit
>everyone pays with the chip at the bottom of the reader
>2 minutes per person
>20 minutes later, my turn finally comes
>i just wanted a fucking carton of coffee cream
>hand them a 20
>finished in 20 seconds

fuck people who pay everything with a card

>>56104350
>Australian
>Bitching about having to walk

wtf

>>56118759
>>creationism in schools
>im almost certain this isn't a problem anymore

Ahahhaha, you'd be wrong. Texas mandates that students also be taught that creationism is also an option (and more likely true). Rick Perry is a piece of shit and you can probably blame him for that. As for the video games, it was entirely conservatives pushing for legislation until that whole 'video games are art' thing.

The real problem is that conservatives decide to float too far to the right. You do understand the entire conservative mindset is to not change, not to grow, not to spend - it rests firmly on an idea of stagnancy, that changing is bad and only what was is correct.

Liberalism can have a similar problem, thinking every problem requires radical change.

At least, that's how it is in today's world.

>>56105281
Credit cards are chip and signature and debit cards are chip and pin. Of course, most places let you run debit cards as credit, so it doesn't matter.

Are there really people who pay for everything with credit card?

Why the fuck

>>56105332
This is retarded. Surveillance is watching you with the intention of finding what you're doing wrong. Keeping track of the kind of stuff you purchase at a grocery store is not surveillance.

>>56120472
The benefits and security. The security is that Credit cards have insurance on them, debit cards don't. You can always get your money back if someone mis-charges you or steals your card.

Benefits include better credit score and an array of things depending on the card. It's actually a good idea to use a credit card if you're well off and will actually pay it off without letting interest accrue.

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>>56120493
Enjoy worshiping the beast.

>>56120500
>security
>getting skimmed at gas stations instead of walking in and paying $20

>>56120591
If you get skimmed with a credit card it's irrelevant, if it was debit you'd be fucked. And who actually walks around with cash anymore?

>>56104513
>Normal people
>get onto a bus
You think it's normal to use a fucking bus?

>>56120255
That's not how NFC cards work
>line of people
>everyone is paying credit or debit
>everyone taps their card on the reader
>0.5 second per person
>my turn finally comes
>i just wanted a fucking carton of coffee cream
>hand them a 20
>finished in 20 seconds

>>56120889
The security of not getting your bank account empited by any half-skilled thief is so inconvenient.

>>56120889
>line of people
>everyone is paying credit or debit
>everyone taps their card on the reader
>wait for confirmation
>no i dont want an emailed receipt
>processing.
>processing..
>processing...
>transaction sucessful!
>45 seconds per person
>my turn finally comes
>i just wanted a fucking carton of coffee cream
>hand them a 20
>cashier can math
>finished in 10 seconds

>>56104463
Even Winnipeg is better now

>>56104256
my oyster data was used to fine a doubletap/ reversal

i was on medication at the time ( causes drowsiness )

officer detected double tap for $200 fine

appealed this. Appeal was rejected. reason, officer did not agree i was on medication ( i posted the box in the appeal ) oyster data showed historic reversals

if i wish to appeal i now must go to court

this is the future.

transit officers now decide if you are on medication and use card history as leverage against a double tap

australians be aware

>>56121600
what the fuck is a double tap?
also, isn't that literally public intoxication?

>>56121628
double tap is reverse fair ( fair cancel , 2 physical swipes

medication is for insomnia/depression gp prescribed side effect drowsiness

>>56121656
reverse fare?
why is this even allowed?

>>56121680
if you tap on then change your mind

i tapped twice because i forgot i tapped first and meds made me a bit high for 3 minutes or so had just ingested them in a rush before work

>>56121711
30 minutes*

the officer ( civilian, not police ) determined i was not on medication by no method they simple issued the ticket, with their determination held on the appeal, by no method. ( ie, " i think that" )

>>56121711
you reversed your fare multiple times and then got fucked in the ass when you did it accidentally

you deserve it

>>56121751

if thats what you "think"

>>56121771
>>
maybe you shouldn't have been walking around being conked out on drugs if you know that's how they affect you

Just get the fucking card it makes things 10000x easier.

>B-but the gobbermint will be able to see where I go on a service they pay to operate and maintain

Ride a bike fami.

>>56121320
>cashier can math
You're making a big assumption there.

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>>56104313
>zomg the government can track that you use a service thats operated by the government

kys

>>56121798
I don't think that's the issue...

>>56121319
>Bank notes
>Security

Lmao nigga soon as that shit hits the floor it's fucking gone untraceable. Card is unique and transactions are covered by insurance, if it gets stolen you cancel the card and the bank pays back any money that was stolen.

>>56121802
it's fine
the register spells out how much they need to give out in change

>>56121793
maybe lots of things, thousands of maybes. I'll be declaring bankruptcy soon anyway... as i've hit rock bottom of existance.

>>56121808
What is then? That the entire system has migrated and OP was left dicked by public transport? Woah that's unbelievable so /g/-worthy haha.

>>56104969
this is slightly irrelevant. I could ask where it says individuals have the right to own guns and you'd have the same outcome because it's not stated.

>>56121850
(you)

>>56104517
Niggaaaa pls. They can and do track you.

http://www.baka.com.au/nsw/opal-card-data-surrendered-to-police-and-immigration-authorities-20150521-gh76wn.html

>>56121888
http://www.s mh.com.au/nsw/opal-card-data-surrendered-to-police-and-immigration-authorities-20150521-gh76wn.html

>>56118759
do you even live in America? those are all solid points. He's correct in saying conservatives are oppressive as are liberals but they both go about it in different ways.

>>56121831
Now they just need to figure out how to count up to that number in change.

>>56119148
And what do you see wrong with the constitution exactly? That it doesn't provide for free food?

Listen, no one bought my sorry ass food when I was homeless. I found work and got myself fed. Others have to find a path to do the same. I would love to help them, but first we have to stop feeding Sha'qwanda and her litter of 7

>>56113133
they're sorta fake-proof.
not like money but they have some features like UV-flurorescent fibres in the paper.

>>56121900
modern registers do that for you... they show the cashier pictrograms of the bills and coind they need to give out

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>>56118338
>...conservatives are the most...
>...democrats threaten...
You're mixing your concepts there son, just wait a few more years and you will start to understand.

You're deluded and beyond help if you think the only thing democrats want to do to control you is tax you.

>>56104256
I like the convenience and features it offers, but i fucking hate how it's being forced.

paying cash doesn't even hold up the que since opal terminals are seperate from the cash ones.

>>56104770
It's not that at all. It's showing how much has changed from Washington to Obama.

>>56106835
Because no one has proposed something better. Every document "better" seeks to undermine one or more of the rights granted in amendments 1 - 10. Much like many of the politicians right now on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to undermine these rights.

>>56124836
Both parties are trash anon.

>>56121600
If you appeal your name will also show up on record searches performed by employers.