Model S spontaneously combusts during test drive

>>56103320
>only electric cars can be set on fire
Ok, kid

>>56103320
wtf i hate tesla now

I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>56103642
electric cars are fundamentally shit

where the fuck do you think teh energy to run them comes from? coal power plants.

the only non-meme car fuel is hydrogen.

Nvidia has a partnership with Tesla
its all starting to make sense now

>>56103943
>where the fuck do you think teh energy to run them comes from? coal power plants.
where the fuck do you think teh energy to generate hydrogen and oxygen from water via electrolysis comes from? coal power plants.

Yeah. That's right. The one single source of electricity humanity has ever come up with and will be used forever in the future is coal.

Can anyone help me buy stock in Tesla so I can buy a Tesla? Feel free to reach me at [email protected]

>>56104011
Nuclear power you raging faggot.

>>56104113
That, and also solar power and every other renewable resource. The world is such a pathetic POS holy crap. Wow fuck all them stupid people in charge. Fucking degenerate pieces of shit trying to fuck the world over. All of them to be hit by multiple buses and drenched in oil and cooked at a moderate 450 degrees along with their multi billions

>>56104011
>nuclear
>while the best option, greenfreaks who love electric vehicles will despise the most efficient and environmentally friendly option because "muh radiation

>solar
>mining the material for making solar panels will require use of hydrocarbon fuels, will be vastly more environmentally destructive, and will still be expensive compared to coal and other biofuels

>wind
>enjoy mass die offs of migratory birds, and the resulting void in the ecological niches they fill

>hyrdoelectric
>would require either living next to rivers, which can run dry in extreme droughts or flood during wet seasons, or living next to the coast, which is rising and won't stop rising, also not accessible to people who live out away from water

The only good choice for now, and the future, is nuclear fission, and fusion respectively.

>>56103943
doesnt matter cause the energy was already produced, better use and store it with electric cars :)

>>56103943
>hurr durr coal powerplant
my nation is 99% renewable energy. kill yourself.

>>56104174
>which can run dry in extreme droughts or flood during wet seasons,
are you fucking retarded?

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Why haven't we harnessed this technology yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

skip to 2:05 for the engine demonstration

>>56104357
Bump

>>56103957
Underrated

>>56104261
>renewable energy
When people talk about the sun as renewable I just laugh.

It uses a Tegra X1, right?

>>56104514
Yep. Nothing is renewable.

t. Entropy

>>56104357
So you have to power a dish that emits radio waves to burn the salt water?

>>56104615
yes

>>56103320

Elon Musk actually mocked gasoline fueled cars a couple of years ago because according to himself, Tesla cars weren't "prone to this problem".

>>56104514
in the grand scheme of things, you are a retard

>>56107256
Fortunately they aren't.

>>56103535
Hello shill.

How many gas cars do you hear about just exploding? And that's what most people drive. Theres literally only a couple hundred Teslas in circulation.

The electric car meme is dead.

The schadenfreude I am going to experience when manual cars are outlawed and everything is automatic is going to be unprecedented.

>>56103320
It's too bad the doors don't automatically lock the rich people inside when they blow up.

>>56107975
Wow what's with the rich hate?

>>56107944
>only a couple hundred
I've seen like 30 Teslas in my suburb alone.
You're retarded.

>tfw electric cars are the only currently viable renewable transportation we have
>tfw it's shit
He3 mining/cold fusion when?

>>56107944
couple hundred? I see them everywhere

>>56107944
>How many gas cars do you hear about just exploding?
There have been a number over the years. It's only big news because its a special meme car that there are only a few hundred of.
Just Google car explodes and you'll find a billion results.

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just wait unil they put those nvidia GPUs in them

>>56103320
>The vehicle made a loud noise and displayed an alert on the dashboard telling the passengers there was a charging issue, Business Insider reports. A Tesla employee then told the driver to pull over and had all passengers exit the car. A Reddit user posted a picture of a Tesla car on fire this morning. The user said the passengers had already exited the car at the time the photo was taken.

>car displays an alert
>all passengers exit
>all passengers safe
>car commits Buddhist sudoku after everyone is safe
This is the best car ever.

>>56108105
Compare that to the Russian car that just burst into flame while the people were still inside.

Mind you, that was from a shitty LPG conversion.

>faster than a motorcycle
>no exhaust/noise
>pretty much maintenance free except for brake pads and batteries when they wear out

Literally the only con of an EV at the moment is the cost of replacing batteries, which will get cheaper by the time you need them.

>>56108186
>yfw the user can't disassemble and replace the battery himself
>yfw you lose you warranty

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>>56108105
>Buddhist sudoku

I didn't know the car could play sudoku or is it only on Sundays like the paper?

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Reminder that centralized energy generation is far more efficient than individual combustion engines. Reminder that nuclear power is clean as fuck and electric cars are the future.

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>>56108186
You don't replace the battery packs you recycle and refresh the cells like on Prius. It usually costs under a grand to get a new battery pack instead of all new from Toyota for a few grand.

>>56108230
>centralized

From what I've learned of /biz/, /pol/, and /g/, nothing centralized is ever good.

>>56107944
Shit happens mayne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1dCfl5qaXA
took 15 secs

>>56108255
Think of continuous not centralized. You need a continuous base amount of electricity for a given area with smaller plants that are on demand for peak hours.

>>56108244
Thats a tiny hybrid battery dude.
Real EV battery packs cost 10x that.

>>56108291
Double the cost of what you would pay for a prius pack then it's still cheaper than buying from manufacturer or as new.

>>56104273
Venezuela had power shortages because of the biggest dam couldn't work. That was because of the low water levels

>>56108255
Depends on the scale you look at it from.
Individual communities have centralized power plants, but the entire country has thousands of these plants overlapping eachother.

>>56108309
The battery packs for a Tesla cost more than an entire 2016 Prius fully upgraded, it isn't an EV, its a hybrid.

Think more along the lines of 20-40k depending on the size of the pack.

The costs won't come down until the Tesla Gigafactory is complete and they start making huge cells.

>>56104174
You forgot about tidal geothermal. Besides coal/gas/nuclear plants still need water to run. Every conventional power plant uses heat energy to generate steam that drives a turbine. Hydroelectric uses gravity and water.

>>56108381
*Tidal and geothermal.

>>56108381
Tidal is an unknown when it comes to environment damage. Hydro definitely damages the environment and ecosystem of large areas.

>>56108186
A combustion engine will always be infinitely more fun to drive.
Enjoy your complete disconnection from the road.

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>Thanks god secure combustion technology never combusts

/g/ 2016 tier

>>56108395
>Hydro definitely damages the environment and ecosystem of large areas.

Huge artificial lakes with tons of campgrounds, stocked fish, and lakefront property isn't damaging to ecology.

>>56108397
>A combustion engine will always be infinitely more fun to drive.
I wouldn't be so sure.
What is inherently fun about a combustion engine? Having less torque?

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>>56108397
>opinions
hue

>>56108395
Hydro doesn't damage the environment. Lakes have formed on their own for millions of years and you don't see people going, "Oh no! That lake is terrible! Think of all the destruction to the environment that was caused when it formed!"
No, that would just be retarded. At worst hydro is no more damaging to the environment than a natural disaster.

>>56108427
Being able to hear the engine
Having gears to change
Less electronics
Better top end
Being able to go harder

The list goes on. I'm not against electric cars, but don't pretend EVs something they're not.

>Tesla’s “cars themselves aren’t making the company any money.” A Model S with a typical options package sells for more than $100,000, but that is literally tens of thousands of dollars less than it costs to manufacture and sell.

>The direct subsidies for purchasers, to encourage them to buy “clean-energy” vehicles, are fairly well-known: a $7,500 federal tax credit and a wide variety of state-level incentive programs. (

>Less well-known are the hidden subsidies that flow directly to Tesla, thanks to “zero-emission vehicle” (ZEV) credits. ZEV credits are a mandate dreamed up by the bureaucrats at the California Air Resources Board (CARB), which requires manufacturers to build and dealers to sell an arbitrary number of “zero-emission” vehicles each year. (Note that these vehicles are actually “zero-emission” only in the unlikely event that the electricity used by the car comes from a zero-emission source — which, of course, would also be heavily subsidized.) Tesla’s Model S generates four credits per unit sold. This means the company can sell $20,000 in ZEV credits to other manufacturers for each Model S sold — a cost borne by purchasers of other cars. And that amount used to be even higher. Because ZEV law is so arcane, Tesla was able to game the system for additional credits; for example, it was able to generate an additional three credits per vehicle when it demonstrated to CARB that its batteries could theoretically be rapidly swapped. But in fact the battery-swapping pilot program is more than a year late getting started. Nonetheless, those extra credits netted the company an additional $15,000 per car sold — and the company is now trying to get them reinstated. In 2013, ZEV credits to Tesla totaled $129.8 million — to a company that lost $61.3 million for the year on its actual manufacturing and selling operations.

>>56103320
Concept One is superior anyway.

>>56108466
>Better top end
lmfao
There are no consumer retail gas cars that are as fast as a Tesla and there never will be.

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>>56103320
I wonder who being this post?

>>56108466
>Being able to hear the engine
Dunno if that actually makes it any more fun.
>Having gears to change
I might give you this, but gearing is a byproduct of how shitty combustion engines are.
>Less electronics
Can't give you this unless we are comparing electric cars to old cars only.
>Better top end
>Being able to go harder
Complete bullshit. Slap yourself.

>>56108482
Kek, even a Ford focus can beat it around the Nürburgring.

>>56108537
Everyone knows electric cars are shit past 130km/h

>>56108397
>A combustion engine will always be infinitely more fun to drive.
How exactly? Last time I checked instant throttle response (which you always get in an electric vehicle) is what makes cars more fun to drive. I mean BMW spent ages trying to figure out a way to kill the turbo lag so they could turbocharge an M car and keep the responsivness of the NA engines of old.
>Enjoy your complete disconnection from the road.
This claim is so removed from reality that I don't even know how to respond to it. So please, elaborate how the type of the engine gives me better or worse feel for what the car is doing rather than I don know... suspension setup? chassis stiffness? power steering setup?

>>56103320
wtf? electric cars can burn too?

>>56108664
Drive by wire a shit. No replacement for displacement.

>>56108570
0-60mph in 2 seconds, if you think a Ford focus is faster you are arguing semantics for scenarios that would never happen in real life.

>>56108729
And the Tesla can't make one lap of the Nürburgring without going into limp mode.

>>56108570
>Kek, even a Ford focus can beat it around the Nürburgring.
But who is the driver?

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>>56108482
>>56108537
/o/tist dropping by, engine sounds are a great music that will be lost to history and internal-combustion engine cars absolutely have higher top speeds and better acceleration at speed. An electric motor has a flat hp curve, meaning torque drops off as RPM increases. ICEs have fairly flat torque curves, meaning they are still able to accelerate fairly quickly at speed. A Tesla will accelerate from a stop extremely quickly but that's basically its only selling point to an enthusiast, considering batteries are heavy so it can't turn or stop, nor is it amazingly responsive when in motion, as stated why above.
>>56108664
To be fair most EVs are going to have electric power steering which kills road feel.
>>56108729
Nurburgring benchracers irk me to no end but he has a point, while it will beat almost anything from a standing start drag race, it suffers from being very heavy, thus being not very nimble around a corner nor being able to stop very well.

>>56107944
>literally only a couple hundred Teslas in circulation
I have seen at least 10-20 around this area, and I'm not even really paying attention, nor do I go out all that often.


I also live near one of the wealthiest suburbs on the east coast...but still, they aren't exactly rare.

>>56108765
Takumi Fujiwara

>>56108466
>Being able to hear the engine
Just do what the current M cars do and simply play engine noises through the in-car stereo.
>Having gears to change
That's an advantage over an automatic where you could do things it couldn't - downshift to engine brake or downshift to get optimal torque. Electric engine does all that without gears.
>Less electronics
But much more moving parts. And all that keeps them from a catastrophic failure is a thin oil film.
>Better top end
Yup, that's true. However the electric engines are now pushing where that top end is. So it's kinda irrelevant. Tesla was the one that came in and moved the goalposts.
>Being able to go harder
How exacly?

>>56108769
I don't know what a nurburgring is so I have no idea what he is talking about.

I'm never going to go over 155mph because I'm not suicidal so power off the line is the only thing that matters as its quite literally the only performance an enthusiast is going to regularly use.

>>56108570
>even a Ford focus can beat it around the Nürburgring
that car weighs like 2,000lbs less than a P85D tesla... not really a fair comparison over a long distance track like the nurburgring which has lots of sharp turns the tesla simply can't take at any meaningful speed.

In most average city driving conditions, you'll be able to accelerate faster and have a bit more fun in the Tesla.

Electric cars are a shitty meme that will never catch on unless there's some huge breakthrough in battery technology

>>56108903
They are using tiny cells in the battery packs don't worry the Gigafactory is almost done and it will cut battery costs by like 80%

>>56107944
I have personally known 4 people who had their cars spontaneously blow up in flames while stopped, parked and completely shut off.

>>56103320
>5 minutes to fill gas tank anywhere in the country
>30 minutes to 1 day to recharge electric car at limited locations
All I need to know

>>56103320
Good thing it happened during a test and not in a commercially sold model. Tests are meant to find problems like these.

>>56107944
You're forgetting the 90's, senpai

http://www.autosafety.org/history-gm-side-saddle-gas-tank-defect/

>1 fire
>our of hundreds of thousands of Teslas

That's not a big deal. It will get investigated and improved. Every car maker has issues with their vehicles. Hell, I've had 2 safety recalls on my car in the past 2 years.

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>>56104174
>Small reminder that solar efficiency has boosted a lot

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>>56108868
The Nurburgring is the longest racetrack in the world, much-loved by benchracers because small gaps between cars turn into huge number gaps due to the insanely long lap times it churns out.

However, it is also beloved by genuine enthusiats for being extremely accessible, as it is technically a toll road, and anyone can pay to hotlap their car on it.

>>56108926
>>30 minutes to 1 day to recharge electric car at limited locations
super charging only takes about 30 minutes for ~170miles of range, grab a pastry and some coffee.
Not to mention the GPS in the car automatically takes you on routes that hit super chargers so you dont get stranded somewhere and have to wait hours to charge on a normal plug.


Also, they toyed with the idea of swapping batteries and it's possible to switch out the entire battery in roughly a minute or two, however the battery swap stations were fairly expensive and so they never go fully developed or put into use.

>>56108970
Solar will be good, but it's not right now.

Why the fuck they put AMD hardware on a car.

>>56108840
I think he's referring to EVs having a tendency to go into limp-mode if pushed hard. Cooling systems for electric motors, batteries, and electronic speed controllers aren't adequate enough yet.

>>56108903
>Electric cars are a shitty meme that will never catch on unless there's some huge breakthrough in battery technology
While you might be right I believe they have a place now because when the breakthrough in battery technology comes it will be a matter of replacing the batteries in these cars rather than starting designing electric cars from scratch.

>>56103957
ayy

>>56109000
>>56108970
Solar will never overcome its main problem of inconsistent availability. It's not like steam power plants where the turbine spins a flywheel that constantly provides power. Nuclear is the future, not solar panels. Solar panels are mainly good for spacecraft where there's no clouds.

>>56109002
because Jim Keller now works there

>>56109002
Tesla is a big proponent of driverless cars so I can see why.

>>56108903
The Model 3 will make the meme real. I would have bought one if I didn't have a car already.

>>56109032
I never said anything about nuclear. I think nuclear is the future and should be sought out before we kill this planet and think it's the endgame with possible meme fusion forever 20 years away. A combination of solar panels that aren't shit and nuclear would be ideal.

>>56109032
Solar only becomes useful if battery tech can store and discharge the excess collected solar.

If we can't store and distribute solar power effectively over large distances, it's never going to take off in a huge way.

I agree for short term, nuclear is our best bet for meeting global energy needs over the next century or two. But during this time we really need to work on improving battery tech and efficiency of other renewable energy sources, so when we can easily move off nuclear we can.

>>56108230
>Lithium cells are made by pixie dust and do not deteriorate
>Dysprosium and neodymium used for generators don't massively strain the environment and surely does not make us dependable on china at all.
>Lotsa power inna small package,what could possibly go wrong?

Electric cars are a meme,lad

>>56104174
>nuclear
>environmentally friendly
I wonder whos behind this post.

>>56108769
>To be fair most EVs are going to have electric power steering which kills road feel.
Just like BMWs and Porsches. You know, the cars well known for how they isolate the driver from the road.

>>56108719
>Drive by wire a shit.
See above.
>No replacement for displacement.
The only advantage of a high displacement engine is torque. Hint: electric engines have more torque and at lower rpm. If anything you should be banging on about the top power of turbocharged screamers, as that's where the electric engine genuinely loses to the internal combustion engine.

>>56109109
A rational guy

>>56109109
how is it not?

Seriously, if we have enough nuclear waste that it starts being an issue just launch it on a rocket into the sun or some bullshit.

we are talking about enough energy to power the world for several generations while not destroying the atmosphere with carbon pollution.

>>56109136
Get out Shlomo.

>>56109137
Launching a rocket is expensiv as shit, guess whol pay for it.
Pro tip: its neither the company nor the state.

>>56109135
Modern BMWs aren't the same as 80s/90s/early 2000s BMWs that were the emphasis of the "ultimate driving machine", kind of the same thing with Porsches. You have to have somebody who REALLY knows what they're doing with setting it up to have even half the feel of a good hydraulic powersteering setup. Also technically the only "screamers" are N/A, super- and turbo- engines are based more around less revs and torque to make power.

>>56109093
All of those are cleaner than coal and combustion engines, kek

>>56109147
>muh wind is good
Fuck off greenpeace

>>56109109
Are you one of those people that thinks nuclear waste is magically more radioactive than the fuel (which was mined out of the ground) that it was created from?
One reason why waste is an issue in the first place is because nuclear plants aren't allowed to salvage good material from spent fuel rods. The government currently forces nuclear plants to throw good material away and create more waste because they're scared that someone will steal plutonium during the recycling process.

>>56109164
You're are talking about this in a time when we are seeing MASSIVE reductions in the cost of launching rockets into orbit. SpaceX and others have been making great strides in this area.

Not to mention, we wouldn't need to think about launching a rocket for MANY years as we can just store the waste in a mountain in Nevada or someshit for at least 50 years.

Nuclear waste if properly handled isn't a huge concern. Nor is it particularly expensive when you're replacing your reliance on fossil fuels with it.

>>56104514
>dump jupiter in the sun
>renew its energy source

Not so smart now are you?

>>56109191
I don't think we even have to focus on launching it away, just find a shithole nobody will ever go to and put it there. Like that desert that's the dryest place on earth in South America, just put it smack in the middle of that.

>>56109181
>projecting this hard
What did i say about wind you illiterate autist?
Now fuck off and suck on your uranium bar, retard.

>>56109093
>Lithium cells are made by pixie dust and do not deteriorate
I really don't understand what point you're trying to make with this.

>>56108769
>To be fair most EVs are going to have electric power steering which kills road feel.
This meme needs to die. Overboosted power steering kills road feel. Whether you have electric or hydraulic power steering, there is still an actual steering rack/box.

>>56109137
>Seriously, if we have enough nuclear waste that it starts being an issue just launch it on a rocket into the sun or some bullshit.
Now you're talking crazy. I like nuclear, but this is just retarded. On the off chance the rocket explodes during launch, you will have radiation all over the place. Just bury that shit and be done with it. That or fall for the Thorium meme and have less lasting radiation.

>>56103943
stationary energy sources are always going to be better on the environment with respect to efficiency and emissions than mobile ones

>>56109233
Seal the spent fuel rods in containers that if exposed to re-entry would still remain intact.

Seriously, just stuff 'em into boxes with huge ablative shields. It's not like this is something we'd need to do all that often. And if it's powering the entire world, we can afford it.

>>56109182
The main problem is nuclear waste. There is no way to store it safely for a prolonged time.
What do you think will happen if that shit leals into the ground water?
Another point is thar you cant trust greedy companies with waste disposal of any kind, the past has proven this many times.

>>56104174
outdoor cats kill orders of magnitude more birds than wind turbines

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>tfw forever 20 years away
Stellerator memes were nice and all and Iter is any minute now, but fusion fucking when?

>>56109194
This is actually a really cool sci-fi concept. God fucking damn it US start funding NASA allready you cock holes.

>>56109191
If handle properly. Thats exactly the problem.

>>56109272
Just dump it in pripyat.

>>56109272
>There is no way to store it safely for a prolonged time.
Sure there is. Take it out to an old mine in the middle of the Mojave and seal it in concrete.

Plutonium and uranium are the most dangerous of the "waste" products, and they aren't even waste. They can be used again, but aren't due to shitty regulations.

>>56109318
Thats simply stupid. The waste needs to be kept safe and sealed until we shoot it into space.

>>56109340
A mine wont help in the long run, this never worked.

>>56109341
>shoot it into space
This actually just reminded me the US navy has been working on Rail guns for several years, surely a massive railgun in the middle of the Neveda desert would be able to send spent fuel rods into deep space, or at least on an orbit into our sun.

>>56109363
The question is, does it need its own nuclear reactor to power it?

>>56109383
It wouldn't particularly matter what powered, the import part are the massive super capacitors required for the huge burst of power.

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>He fell for the car meme

>>56109341
>until we shoot it into space.
I like this rather than the idea of launching it into space on tons of explosive material.

Mass drivers when?

>>56109383
You could power it with an exercise bike if you wanted, it would just take awhile to charge.

>>56109360
>A mine wont help in the long run, this never worked.
Better call the NRC then. They're planning on doing what I said.
You do know that there's huge amounts of uranium in the ground RIGHT NOW, yes? Where do you think it comes from?

There's no reason it couldn't work for the foreseeable future if it was done correctly. Construct a bunker like complex in a remote mine/mountain somewhere and store the shit there. Reuse useful material instead of throwing it away.

>>56109399
DUIs suck, bro

>>56109363
>a rail gun sending anything through the atmosphere at escape velocity
kek

>>56109399
I don't think I ever met someone that commutes by bike in NY that hasn't been in an accident or run over at some point.

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>>56108066
>just wait
why wait?

>>56108035
>>56108037
>>56108805

le moving le goal post meme
meanwhile:
>over 1 billion cars in the world
how many of them do you think are the non memeylectric kind?

t. multiple sources (just google how many cars in the world)

>>56109422
The uranium that is naturally in the mountains is not flaoting freely in rusting barrels in a flooded mine in your neighborhood.
You do realize the difference?
This solution already failed.

>>56109289
I'm sure there would be a big enough explosion on the impact of pushing them together to wipe us out.

>>56108066
>>56109466

holy shit! Car fires CAR FIRES EVERY WHERE!!!

>>56108405
how many of those caught fire because a problem occurred during refuelling?

>>56107944
>Theres literally only a couple hundred Teslas in circulation.
Norway here, we have around ~20,000 on the roads. They're so common that they've lost any semblance of novelty. Meanwhile, this is a thing
>http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/zafira/93176/vauxhall-zafira-fires-used-cars-being-sold-without-recall-work
>Last year, Zafira owners began reporting problems with the heating and ventilation system in the Zafira ‘B’ models, on sale from 2009 to 2014, while the London Fire Brigade said it has extinguished 71 such fires -not including arson attacks -since 2013
Yes, that's just one model in one city. The Zafira is like Fermi on wheels.

>>56109434
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver

The math behind it checks out, just needs funding.

>>56109515
>The math behind it checks out, just needs funding.
Not him but from your own article
>The 40 megajoules per kilogram or less kinetic energy of projectiles launched at up to 9000m/s velocity (if including extra for drag losses) towards Low Earth Orbit
It's not just a matter of getting something into space, it's a matter of getting it away from us. That'll take an even larger amount of energy and you have to consider that drag is a bit of a devil. With a doubling of speed you quadruple the drag, meaning you have to have an absolutely INSANE amount of energy. At what point do we use so much energy getting rid of our spent fuel that we might as well not have bothered using the fuel?

>>56109618
You use the rail gun to send a rocket into LEO, then rocket the cargo off into the sun.

Or you have a rocket waiting in orbit and do some sort of in-orbit transfer before rocketing off into the sun.

If the point is to avoid potential radiation fallout due to a failed rocket launch, this gets rid of those concerns.

>>56109654
>You use the rail gun to send a rocket into LEO
Yeah, awesome, you have a massive railgun that uses an insane amount of energy. Because of the insane amount of energy this thing will need, you'll need to change the rails very often. Because it will be so massive, those rails will be expensive. The math behind it does not "check out" by any definition of those words.

This is not a "radiation in atmosphere" problem, this is a "holy shit this is expensive why the fuck would anyone do that" problem.

>>56109474
>neighborhood
There are vast swathes of desert in the US that are totally uninhabited.

>floating freely
They won't be floating freely after they've been sealed under a few tons of concrete.

>this solution already failed
Again, the NRC probably knows better than you do, and they're currently working on plans for a mountain storage site.

>>56109802
>he thinks we're talking about the next 5-10 years

You dumb nigger faggot, this is talking about replacing the entire world's reliance on fossil fuels with nuclear.
We are talking 50-100 years out, not next fucking week.

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>>56108035
>>56108037
>>56108058
>>56108259
>>56108805
>>56108920
>>56108947
>>56109504


Tesla sold 14,402 Q1-2016 lets take their high sales and do it for the past 10 years and you will get a very inflated number of:

Tesla: 576,080

Toyota alone is 947490 not to mentions all the others in total its estimated 1 billion gas cars are on the road.


Oh yeaaa thats a lot of Tesla on the road cause I seen 20 here and 20 there.

>>56109852
What the ungodly fuck do you think time has to do with the matter? Do you think the price of metal will fall appreciably within that amount of time? inb4 muh singularity and everything will be cheap

>>56109876
Literally not a single person in this thread has even implied there are more tesla's than normal cars, that would be retarded.

But do you know what's more retarded? some faggot bastard claiming
>Theres literally only a couple hundred Teslas in circulation >>56107944

>>56109877
No but the US has spent the majority of the last 20 years focusing heavily on railgun tech and high capacity capacitor banks for huge bursts of power.

They are continuing development as we speak, currently they're working on improving the long term reliability of the rails and expect to have rails that can survive 10 rounds per minute and 3000 rounds total life.

In the next 50-100 years you dont think this trend will continue and the tech will get more and more advanced?

Come the fuck on, unless we can get a space elevator working, a ground based mass launcher is one of the few options we can afford to do and have the technology to do soon.

>>56109901

My point is, literally not a single person in this thread has even a relatively close scope of what they are talking about.

>>56109939
so you come out with a shitty argument implying people were trying to say Tesla cars are more common than normal cars?

You just look dumb, no one was saying that, no one was implying that, no one thinks that is the case.

However, to claim there are only several hundred in circulation is bat shit insane. There are easily several hundred thousand, which for an electric car is a HUGE number, and not insignificant at all, even when compared to toyota and others.

>>56109932
>Come the fuck on, unless we can get a space elevator working, a ground based mass launcher is one of the few options we can afford to do and have the technology to do soon.
And it'll still be too expensive to waste on shooting bits of garbage onto a massive fire.

>>56109968
>There are easily several hundred thousand
Not him but Tesla passed 100,000 last December. I don't think they've passed 200,000 yet. Still, a couple more than the couple hundred anon was claiming were in circulation.

>>56103943
>coal power plants.
>coal
only in 3rd world counties retard

>>56110011
I just dont see how it would be too expensive, your other options are equally expensive, and once you have the mass driver facility, your only costs are maintenance and electricity, the electricity isn't an issue and it's estimated to cost ~$1 per kilogram into LEO, FAR cheaper than literally any other method we are using currently.

And the maintenance costs would go down over time as well considering it's the same basic tech behind the US military railguns and the tech can be ported over and scaled up for a mass driver.


Is it expensive? Sure, but it would allow us to use nuclear power for the next 1000 years before we deplete our supply of fissionable materials.

>>56110067
>your other options are equally expensive
No, they aren't. Reprocessing the fuel and storing it will seem dirt cheap in comparison.

>>56109939
What the fuck does that sentence even mean?

>>56110096
storing it where? Do you honestly think there are proper storage facilities for 500-1000 years worth of radioactive materials?

We already have concerns about contamination ground water if stored underground for long periods of time.

>one out of literally thousands of electric cars is faulty
>oh my god they are such a bad idea that driving about with a tank of highly flammable liquid seems a better alternative to it

>>56110207
>500-1000 years
You're not really informed on this topic, are you? That explains why you think spending an insane amount of money blasting it into space is a good idea.

>>56103943
>electric cars are fundamentally shit
Electric cars are more efficient, so less energy is used.

>>56110258
>highly flammable liquid
*vapor

>>56103943
>the only non-meme car fuel is hydrogen.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

You're such a moron.

>>56103943

Where do you think hydrogen comes from, mr. memelord?

>>56109466
>Nvidia plans to crash your car..... with no survivors.

poetry

>>56104011
>>56103943

Sure, coal power, but it's easier to control emissions in a power plant than a car. Also, most western countries have about 30% if not more produced by nuclear power and the remaining 70% comes from all sorts of sources, so it's not all coal either. What a ridiculous thing to say.

>>56104514

>renewable must mean solar or wind meme

My country gets most of its power supply from hydro power (Norway)

>it's another /g/ luddite thread
I definitely never get sick of those.

>>56108823
SPEEDY SPEED BOY

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>>56108482

/g/

>electric cars are the future, ICE is dated, manual transmissions are a relic, etc etc
>UNIX is still the best! Hail the terminal emulator! All pay homage to sh! Fish sucks! Write in C!

>>56108186
>Faster than anything

What happens when it hits 60mph?

oh right

it's fucking slow

tesla would make a killing if they went a step above "updated early 1900s concept" and introduced gear ratios

>>56108230
Centralized energy also limits you to within a certain range of pre-approved destinations. Gas is more energy dense and you can pack it with you for cheap.

But this is the real world, of course limiting the speedy movement of citizens will be a goal at some point. Why would you need to go somewhere without civilization that easily if you weren't trying to evade the cops? You probably comitted thought crimes against robo-hillatrump president for eternity.

>>56108397
>An electric car can't have purely mechanical steering
>you can't disable traction control and pull mad skids in an ev
want to bet you drive a numb shitbox?

>>56108474
>All this bullshit and civillian automobiles barely made up 20% of global emissions in the first place
>all this bullshit and the government is just barely starting to crack down on big diesel freight while china continues on their merry coal-burning way
>all this bullshit and there was no global outcry when europoors filled the air with NOx because gasoline combustion produced more carbon dioxide, which is arguably an easier pollutant to "fix" than anything else

>>56108970
>small reminder that you can't buy any of that shit for the 1$/watt price point that solar has promised for decades.

>it's another anti Tesla episode

yawn, /g/ is nothing but shilling against or in favor of products

>>56113099
>tesla would make a killing if they went a step above "updated early 1900s concept" and introduced gear ratios

>gear ratios for electric motors

You're fucking retarded.

>>56104011
>>56104182
>>56104261
>>56109241
>>56110065
>>56110304
>>56110361
>>56110395
>>56110522
baited haha

>>56104113
Nuclear power could also charge your electric cars.

>>56113099
>Centralized energy also limits you to within a certain range of pre-approved destinations.

Uh, what? No, it doesn't if the battery is large enough. If you're traveling an extremely large distance you can charge your battery somewhere.

>Why would you need to go somewhere without civilization that easily if you weren't trying to evade the cops?

Have you considered that you can bring batteries with you, just like an extra tank of fuel? Or charge somewhere because the charging stations won't be rare either.

>You probably comitted thought crimes against robo-hillatrump president for eternity.

>hurr muh oppressive state is a relevant argument against a chassis with a battery and some electric motors strapped on it

Jesus fucking christ, back to >>>/pol/ with this retarded bullshit.

>>56108868
>power off the line is the only thing that matters
LOOOL you're clueless m8

>>56114071
Stop encouraging him.

>>56108769
>/o/tist dropping by, engine sounds are a great music that will be lost to history

Thank fucking god. I despise engine sounds.

>>56114198
Im going to ateal your phone and replace all your music with engine sounds asshole

>>56108878
>hahaha god car is faster than anything on the planet
>but this mere mortal Car is faster around a track.

>thats not an adequate comparison


>But muh city driving will be fun!

Also its apparent you've never driven any car hard, as "City" driving is not fun in any car.

>>56113686
They use gear ratios in a multitude of electric motor applications.

Its how one 6hp electric motor can run a whole hydraulic system in a forklift capable of picking up 2500+ lbs

NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, ONLY A FEW HUNDRED OF THEM HAVE CAUGHT FIRE

ELON MUSK IS BASED AND THE GREATEST HUMAN EVER I LOVE HIS HAIR TRANSPLANET SO SEXY

TELSA CARS LOOK COOL, MAKE YOU SLAY PUSSY AND ARE FASTER THAN F1 CARS

THEY CAN DRIVE TO THE MOON AND BACK ON ONE SINGLE CHARGE AND USE NO EMISSIONS BECAUSE ELECTRICAL ENERGY ALL COMES FROM RENEWABLE SOURCES

THE GUY IN TESLA WAS ONLY KILLED BY THE AUTOPILOT BECAUSE HE DESERVED TO DIE

>>56109048
NICE

>>56109077
Just give every home a battery that can get through multiple nights. Problem solved.

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>>56114198
I can understand if you've only heard kids who cut the mufflers off of their VWs, but c'mon, fast cars sound nice.

>>56116355
You're probably talking to someone that unironically enjoys listening to "chiptunes".

>>56115890
fucking this

telsafags will make every excuse for this shit

>>56116449
kill yourself

>>56113099
>gear ratios
>electric motors

>>56115766
Absolutely this. Enjoy stop light racing in your Tesla.

>>56116530
It's possible, but it'd have to be fancy robo-clutches and I think you'd almost need to run straight-cuts or have good ESC programming to avoid shredding gears.

>>56116560
In the future, potentially. But right now there's no need. 0-60 in 2.8s is silly enough.

To all those 'muh top speed' fagets. When was the last time you hit top speed in your mum's car?

Oh, and no one is saying you can't have both - electric car for every day boring commuting shit and a nice ICE car for the track.

It's seriously not that hard to understand

>>56116681
It's not about top speed, it's about increasing efficiency. Also an EV would never be offered in manual and there's a ton of great roads that are to be enjoyed that aren't tracks.

>>56116754
Well have a weekend car then. People who commute don't give a shit about manual. I confess I have a manual but my next car will be electric.

>>56116858
Most of my driving is commuting and there's no way I'd get an automatic.

>>56116530
>>56116560
>>56116681
>>56116754
>>56116858
>>56116881

>not knowing about based CVT transmission

>inb4 some faggot points out some pointless shit in an attempt to not be blown the fuck out

Kill yourself cucks

>>56116906
>CVTs
>good
Knowing most car manufacturers nowadays they'd use some retarded belt shit that is fragile as fuck.

>>56107944
Literally hundreds of thousands of teslas.
Petrol vehicles catch on fire all the time. Ask anyone over 50 they've probably had a car catch fire on them

>>56116906
>CVT transmission
>Continuously variable transmission transmission

Manual > CVT

>>56116933
>Ask anyone over 50 they've probably had a car catch fire on them
'murrica

>>56116945
yeah... manual transmission for a self driving car.

right, faggot

>>56116959
>Self driving car
Who gives a fuck about self driving. Driving is one of life's pleasures, why would I want a robot to take that away from me?

>>56116925
>CVTs
>good

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6rIZfCuHI

>>56116906
>cvt
>good

NAH KILL YOURSELF

i rented a fucking car with one of those and its fucking retarded sitting at 2k rpm the entire time im fucking driving even when i floor it.

makes driving feel numb. fuck me ill take a goddamn 3 speed automatic from a fucking 90s truck over that shit

>>56116994
Then don't buy a Tesla you fucking idiot.

>>56116994
>i like sucking cock

>>56116997
>CVT
>good
They are NOT durable in belt form, that is the problem. Manufacturers found now a way to make them last through having them behave like normal transmissions, complete with a little power cut when they shift between preset ratios. Mini Coopers, Nissans, and more equipped with CVTs have had catastrophic, expensive failures with 5 digits on the odometer. And since F1 banned them they will never be improved. The planetary design is neat but I don't know very much about it and manufacturers seem to not be using it.

>>56117011
I've been saying that combustion engines are better from the start
>>56117027
Enjoy being cucked by your botnet car.

>>56116355
>I can understand if you've only heard kids who cut the mufflers off of their VWs, but c'mon, fast cars sound nice.

Nah, I hate the noise that internal combustion engines create in general. Fuck internal combustion, and I fucking hate smelling exhaust every time I go to the city too by the way.

>>56116449

Kill yourself.

>>56117094
No, I'm serious, there's such a huge variety of exhaust notes I can't believe there's none that sound nice, whether it's the burble of a turbo Subaru with unequal length headers, the roar of a crossplane V8, the shriek of a flatplane V8 or V12, the scream of a I4 or I6 revving to insane speeds, etc. Most commuter cars just sound like vacuums if you can even hear them.

>>56109182
>Are you one of those people that thinks nuclear waste is magically more radioactive than the fuel (which was mined out of the ground) that it was created from?
It is though. You're not left with the same material that you mined and started with, it gets transmuted. Not arguing against nuclear power, but that's not a valid point you made.

>>56117190
>transmuted

yea ok neckbeard wizard faggot

your manchild video games transmogging arent real life

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>>56117322
ok

>>56117186
>No, I'm serious, there's such a huge variety of exhaust notes I can't believe there's none that sound nice

Is it this inconceivable to you that I dislike noise, and that internal combustion engine sounds tend to share the ability to make a ton of low-frequency noise?

>whether it's the burble of a turbo Subaru with unequal length headers, the roar of a crossplane V8, the shriek of a flatplane V8 or V12, the scream of a I4 or I6 revving to insane speeds, etc. Most commuter cars just sound like vacuums if you can even hear them.

Yes, I get it, you're autistic about shitty engines.

>>56117496
Oh you dislike NOISE, not just exhaust noise. Nevermind.

>>56117363
#REKT

>>56117514
>Oh you dislike NOISE, not just exhaust noise. Nevermind.

Yeah, internal combustion engines in particular create exactly the type of noise that pisses me off the most as well.

>>56117363
>>56117546

>being so buttblasted that you had to print off a google images photo, take a pic with your phone and post it on a taiwanese rice cooking board to defend your precious reputation then samefagging to not look like even more of a faggot

LMFAO, kys manbabby

>>56117571
Don't act like you have an opinion on cars then.

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>>56117587
ok

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>>56117623
stop arguing with some faggot

>>56117604

>hurr you don't like them like I do therefore your opinion is invalid

kek, I never expressed any further opinion on cars to you other than the fact that I hate dirty, inefficient and noisy internal combustion engines.

>>56117713
>limousine
>car

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>>56117837
>le multi colored straw may may

fuck off back to r;eddit

>>56117837
Fuck off with le diversity straws your sjw faggot