Macbooks

They are pretty.

i like its detachable display that doubles as a tablet so I don't have to buy two devices

>>56082051
I REALLY like the touchpad. And the OS looks nice, however I'm not the biggest Apple fan.

Long battery life. Touchpad. Propitiatory retina screen. Unix.

They're generally better for the money than similarly priced Windows laptops. However, they're shit if you ever want to run anything but OS X on them. Apple even tries to tell you what Windows versions you can run. I had a bitch of a time getting Win 10 running on my A1226 -- Apple thought that with a C2D, 4GB of memory and an SSD the best it could do was 32bit Win 7. Linux was even harder to get working in EFI mode.

>>56082051
see >>56081059

Retina screen, OS X

>>56082051
light
good screen (glossy is a plus)

if you need resourceful tasks, just use your workstation.

>>56082051
Build quality, display, touchpad and OS X.

>>56082177
Why would you bother running something else?

The screen's great, the battery lasts a while to my understanding, the use of USB-C as the charging port means chargers are way fucking cheaper (which is great given how easily Magsafe chargers seem to break according to reputation). The touchpad is fucking immaculate, probably the best I've used on any laptop. The speakers are probably the best around on a laptop in its size category. In the event of an emergency, it can be fastened to a pole and sharpened for use as an axe. It's extremely tiny footprint and passive cooling solution effectively give it fewer mechanical points of failure than any other laptop and it performs well enough to serve as a perfectly adequate companion to a well specced workstation tower.

Overall, decent device. Only comparable machines I've seen are the Razer Blade Stealth, XPS 13, and that one Zenbook. Pretty much everything else actually costs more than an equivalent specced Macbook or Macbook Pro.

>>56082682
USB-C for charging is retarded compared to MagSafe.

>>56082051
It is a good indicator for being a retarded person

>>56082700
Mind explaining why rather than just making a plain statement with nothing to back it?

>>56082051
>pretty much has the BEST Unix OS out there
>the fucking touchpad. nothing can compete.
>battery life
>retina screen
>brightness
>firewire port for easy TV capturing
>>56082739
he said NICE THINGS, anon

>>56082973
>firewire

>>56082996
Most laptops don't have this.

>>56083005
Mac's made in this decade don't either

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The retina display, mechanical keyboard, and battery life are all great on the 12" Macbook.

While a driver for the custom SPI (needed for trackpad and keyboard) wasn't originally available for Linux, people are working on it and making meaningful progress.

I look forward to running GNU/Linux on the 12" Macbook.

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>>56083496
https://www.bountysource.com/issues/35422234-macbook8-1-12-inch-early-2015-keyboard-and-trackpad-don-t-work

the keyboard, OS, and screen are great

>>56082177
Why not run them in a VM?

I think they're nice but I just don't want one for some reason. I'd consider it if they had ones in black anodised aluminium. (dbrand do anodised cases but it's like an extra $700 on top of the already pricey laptop)

I have a Surface Pro 4 though which is a nice alternative to a macbook and for once it's a windows laptop which isn't shitty plastic trash. Also the trackpad is almost as good as a macbook which is a big improvement over the usual ones you find on laptops.

>>56082051
i dont like how the keys feel when you press them. clicky and they bottom out

literally the worst computer ever made

>>56082906
Not him, but Magsafe was probably Apple's most original innovation from the past few years. You can finally charge your laptop without fear of having your laptop pulled of the table when someone trips over a cable.
I use my Macbook all over the place, so it's pretty useful.

>>56082051
Unibody is pretty cool, I guess

>>56083757
Well yeah, Magsafe is a really neat connector and all, but I'm not seeing what makes using USB type C for charging a laptop bad. The cable and charger are both easier and cheaper to replace than Magsafe will ever be, and they're only going to get cheaper.

Like forgive me if I'm genuinely misinformed, but isn't it a pretty common issue for Magsafe cables to come apart rather quickly?

>>56082906
>Mind explaining why rather than just making a plain statement with nothing to back it?
MagSafe is more durable and will disconnect if strained. USB-C is not much more durable than USB micro and will not disconnect when strained. It's a serious downgrade. They should add data to the MagSafe port, so you can use it to dock, though.

>>56083568
This.

>>56083793
>but isn't it a pretty common issue for Magsafe cables to come apart rather quickly?
Only if you're a fucking oaf who does things like run over the cables. I have a mid 2009 MacBook Pro and that still has the original charger.

It's really good for finding other homosexuals, kind of like grindr.

retina screen is great
os x feels like a more polished linux
free os upgrades

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You can sell it to some chump and buy one of these, have a far better computing experience, and have cash left over to invest.

>>56083917
Yea let me know how that 400 dollar investment goes.

>>56083917
>Lenovo

fuck off

>>56082051
The screen size is perfection, the PPI is great, and the aspect ratio is the best any modern laptop has.

>>56083927
>Implying every bit of cash doesn't add up to your eventual fortune
>>56083932
Pajeet plz

>>56083957
dude, everybody knows thinkpad went to shit when they were bought by the Chinese. Clueless /g/tards back in the day just bought into the hype generated from when it was handled by a competent manufacturer and it's stuck ever since

>>56083981
x220 and t420 are still ibm style senpai after that they fucked up the keyboard and now the new ones are shit

>>56083496
The keyboard is utter garbage and the battery life is mediocre.

The screen is fine, but I can't judge it since my eyes are bad.

>>56084024
You can't judge the keyboard and battery life either because you don't own one.

>>56084046
Man i'm not him but i've typed on that shitty butterfly keyboard and its just as shit as the rest of apples keyboards, they are all just shitty garbage over spaced chiclit keyboards

>>56082051
Thin, big screen... never used one before so I don't know what else.

>>56084069
k

>>56084046
Not that guy, but I don't own one because of that keyboard. It's possible to try these things without having owned one.

It's utter garbage. I'll stick with the rMBP, unless they fuck up that keyboard with their butterfly nonsense.

inb4 "you get used to it" -- stop it. It's okay to admit that apple made a fucking mistake. They still make good shit, but it's not that keyboard.

>>56084069
>>56084102
Works on my machine

>>56084102
The keyboard is great though

>>56084112

Your argument lacks any value. Lots of things work, and a lot of them are garbage.

>>56084132
Depends what kind of typist you are.
If you're the type that slams on the keys and bottom out mechanical keyboards, you're gonna hate it, but if you're a light typer, it will be just fine.

>>56084158
>He fell for the mechanical keyboard meme

lol you people are bigger sheep than macfags

>>56084158
Or if all you do is type twitter and facebook posts, I'm sure it would work just fine.

>>56082051
Really good screens for laptops their size, and they're also really light.

>>56084176
I don't have one because the keyboard isn't for me, I still prefer the longer travel scissor keyboards.

>>56082051
Imho the only thing bad about macbooks is that they are way overpriced considering the specs.

>>56082177
>A1226
>Core 2 Duo
Found your issue.

>>56082051
It has a simple port configuration.

None of those annoying and unsightly "other"ports that no one uses anyway. What the hell are those rectangular ones with the little tree for, anyway?

>>56082051
i honestly can't find a single thing

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They support Windows, senpai

>>56084296
That's the MBP -- this thread is just about the Macbook.

Related thread, quick question.
Will i be able to run windows 10 on a late 2010 macbook air? I do not require it to do anything more than basic browsing and just maybe youtube and libreoffice.

>>56082084
>i like its detachable display that doubles as a tablet so I don't have to buy two devices
Have you ever even used a Surface (or similar device)? Windows sucks as a tablet OS.

I just got this laptop with the M7 and 512gb upgrade.

Been looking at the XPS 15, that gpu tho..

While I generally don't like Apple computers, nothing looks as good as a MacBook Pro to me.
My dads a huge Apple fanboy, and while he's never owned a MacBook, his shilling rubbed off on me. He wants one because they look good.
I'm in the process of building him a case modded G5 with decent specs so he can play the new Mechwarrior and have his dream desktop.

>>56084320
I mean, if that's all you want to do, just install xubuntu desu

I'll start with something actually decent about macs.

The machined aluminum is fucking great. Metal laptops are super rare and generally aren't anywhere near as tough.

More scratch resistant? Sure, but I don't give a fuck about that, they take drop tests pretty well.

>>56084320
>Will i be able to run windows 10 on a late 2010 macbook air?
Yes, in fact you could run on Windows 10 on the very first Macbook from 2006, even though the latest OSX it could run is Snow Leopard.

>>56084355
the macbook is actually the best GPU performance for the specs, since literally only Apple has hardware acceleration for Intel Graphics.
If the keyboard was any good I would pick one up.

>>56084339
I just want it to read PDFs or long form news articles/blag posts.
Using a table for complex tasks like organizing your mp3 collection would just be plain retarded.

>>56084372
But the point of running windows is to trigger the rabid macfags at my university (if that is the correct term in english considering that education systems are different in every country)

>>56084425
If you wanna trigger them, rice it out to look like Windows 95

>>56084451
Oh thatis just absolutely devious! But how would i accomplish this? rainmeter?

>>56084425
You're really retarded

>>56084158
I use a mechanical keyboard with clears and I like the keyboard just fine. takes some getting used to, that's it.

>>56083917
Whip that shit out at a girls house and she'll go to bed

>>56084701
Girls don't care what kind of laptop you have and if they do the relationship won't end well anyways.

>>56083917
You're living the meme.

>>56084763
>being THIS oblivious

>>56083865
fuck you faggot I'm not an oaf i just like to drink and smoke.

>>56082051
The only good thing about it is the battery life. Everything else is pure shit. It struggles to keep 10 firefox tabs open and overheats while watching a movie on netflix. The one port jewery is a pain in the ass when you have to buy an adapter for everything and anything you wanna plug into it. Keyboard is terrible and I used a different one when I still had that overpriced piece of chinkshit. It also wouldn't charge with the lid closed. OS X is also horrible. Trackpad was a meme. I give it a 1/10. Worst $1400 I've ever spent. I'm glad ebay exists or I would've been stuck with it.

I went back to using my Thickbad T400 from 2009 because it just works. Never again will I fall for the thin and light meme.

>>56085311
>It struggles to keep 10 firefox tabs open and overheats while watching a movie on netfliX

Stopped reading here. Completely false.

>>56085354
Show us your craptop with a timestamp or gtfo pajeet.

>>56082051
The OS is a pretty good Unix system when paired with macports or homebrew. You're out of luck if you don't like Aqua though.

>>56085311
I've never used the MacBook but have done more with shittier devices, I find what you're saying very hard to believe.

Looking at it doesn't make you gay

>>56085397
The problem is OS X.

>>56085497
I was using OS X on said shittier device.

>>56085510
OS X used to be good. Go buy a newer macbook with a newer version. You'll see what I mean.

>>56085552
What recent changes have made OS X bad? I don't mean different, I mean bad. To tell you the truth, I don't think you've ever used OS X, but I could be wrong.

>>56085582
SIP
Disk Utility's GUI was raped
Poor performance on even newer Macs --- Reduced battery life and responsiveness on my 2013 rMBP
Too much iOS integration
Removed XQuartz

>>56085637
What's disk utility? Who cares about that nerd stuff, the iOS integration is cool lol!

>>56085637
SIP can be disabled and Disk Utility's the only gripe I can agree with, although diskutil still works fine so it's not that bad. I can't comment on battery life as I've only used post-10.5 on desktops but it's still a great OS.

>>56085686
>SIP can be disabled
Yea, but I have to reboot or look through some menus to find the option to re-enable root. It's annoying. I wish they would have put the manpower into fixing actual vulnerabilities. There was NO reason at all to fuck with Disk Utility, so diskutil still being fine isn't much consolation.

>>56085707
>Yea, but I have to reboot or look through some menus to find the option to re-enable root. It's annoying
Oh no, you have to spend ~2 minutes changing a setting? How ever will you live?
>Disk Utility
I agree the change was retarded but again, it's not like it's the only option and that we're stuck with it.

>>56085734
>Oh no, you have to spend ~2 minutes changing a setting? How ever will you live?
Will you just defend anything? There was no POINT to SIP. It fixes a problem that isn't at all pressing considering the known vulnerabilities they like to take their time fixing. I'm mad because I now have to change something that just worked previously.
>I agree the change was retarded but again, it's not like it's the only option and that we're stuck with it.
It's not the only option but it was a fine option and we are stuck with it because everyone damn well knows Apple isn't liable to change something because their customers hate it, especially with that retard Tim Cook at the wheel.

>>56082051
It's driving a lot of sales to Dell thanks to the new Macbook being a pile of shit.

>>56082177
>Linux was even harder to get working
\did it hang up on the splash screen?, that would happen to me running live usb, the usb's would random work or randomly freeze (placebo button mashing helps)

I think the fix is to use nomodeset instead of quietsplash, but havnt tested it yet

it's a worse version of the mac book air

>>56085845
And all macbooks are worse versions of Dell XPSs.

and to think, this thread was alright for a while.

I mean, Apples' business practices are shit and all, but their products are still worth talking about.

16:10 screen

>>56083496
The fuck is up with the image?

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>>56082051
Macbooks are good for running linux

Apple's Operating Systems Are Malware
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html

Malware means software designed to function in ways that mistreat or harm the user. (This does not include accidental errors.) This page explains how the software in Apple's computer products are malware.

Malware and nonfree software are two different issues. The difference between free software and nonfree software is in whether the users have control of the program or vice versa. It's not directly a question of what the program does when it runs. However, in practice nonfree software is often malware, because the developer's awareness that the users would be powerless to fix any malicious functionalities tempts the developer to impose some.

Apple Back Doors

Mac OS X had an intentional local back door for 4 years, which could be exploited by attackers to gain root privileges.
https://truesecdev.wordpress.com/2015/04/09/hidden-backdoor-api-to-root-privileges-in-apple-os-x/

The iPhone has a back door that allows Apple to remotely delete apps which Apple considers “inappropriate”. Jobs said it's OK for Apple to have this power because of course we can trust Apple.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3358134/Apples-Jobs-confirms-iPhone-kill-switch.html

The iPhone has a back door for remote wipe. It's not always enabled, but users are led into enabling it without understanding.
http://www.npr.org/2010/11/22/131511381/wipeout-when-your-company-kills-your-iphone

Apple Censorship

Apple censors games, banning some games from the cr…app store because of which political points they suggest. Some political points are apparently considered acceptable.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/05/apple-says-game-about-palestinian-child-isnt-a-game

Apple banned a program from the App Store because its developers committed the enormity of disassembling some iThings.
http://ifixit.org/blog/7401/ifixit-app-pulled/

Apple rejected an app that displayed the locations of US drone assassinations, giving various excuses. Each time the developers fixed one “problem”, Apple complained about another. After the fifth rejection, Apple admitted it was censoring the app based on the subject matter.

As of 2015, Apple systematically bans apps that endorse abortion rights or would help women find abortions.
http://mashable.com/2014/02/07/apple-app-tracks-drone-strikes/

This particular political slant affects other Apple services.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/dec/01/siri-abortion-apple-unintenional-omissions

Apple Insecurity

A vulnerability in Apple's Image I/O API allowed an attacker to execute malacious code from any application which uses this API to render a certain kind of image file.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/22/stagefright-flaw-ios-iphone-imessage-apple

A bug in the iThings Messages app allowed a malicious web site to extract all the user's messaging history.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/12/apple-bug-exposed-chat-history-with-a-single-click/

Apple Interference

Various proprietary programs often mess up the user's system. They are like sabotage, but they are not grave enough to qualify for the word “sabotage”. Nonetheless, they are nasty and wrong. This section describes examples of Apple committing interference.

Apple forced millions of iThings to download a system upgrade without asking the users. Apple did not forcibly install the upgrade but the downloading alone caused lots of trouble.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7256669?tstart0=

Apple Pressuring

Proprietary companies can take advantage of their customers by imposing arbitrary limits to their use of the software. This section reports examples of hard sell and other unjust commercial tactics by Apple.

Apple Siri refuses to give you information about music charts if you're not an Apple Music subscriber.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/27/apple-music-subscribers-siri-questions

Apple Sabotage

The wrongs in this section are not precisely malware, since they do not involve making the program that runs in a way that hurts the user. But they are a lot like malware, since they are technical Apple actions that harm to the users of specific Apple software.

The Apple Music client program scans the user's file system for music files, copies them to an Apple server, and deletes them.
https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/04/apple-stole-my-music-no-seriously/

Apple stops users from fixing the security bugs in Quicktime for Windows, while refusing to fix them itself.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160608183145/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/14/uninstall_quicktime_for_windows/

iOS version 9 for iThings sabotages them irreparably if they were repaired by someone other than Apple. Apple eventually backed off from this policy under criticism from the users. However, it has not acknowledged that this was wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/feb/05/error-53-apple-iphone-software-update-handset-worthless-third-party-repair

>>56089164
>Macbooks are good for running linux
It's just a pity that Linux runs like crap on Macbooks. Hard to find repos, no drivers, back-level distros.
Been there, tried to do that.

An Apple firmware “upgrade” bricked iPhones that had been unlocked. The “upgrade” also deactivated applications not approved by Apple censorship. All this was apparently intentional.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2541250/apple-mac/update--apple-plays-hardball--upgrade--bricks--unlocked-iphones.html

Apple deleted from iPods the music that users had got from internet music stores that competed with iTunes.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/04/apple-deleted-music-ipods-rivals-steve-jobs

Apple Surveillance

Users cannot make an Apple ID (necessary to install even gratis apps) without giving a valid email address and receiving the verification code Apple sends to it.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/49951/how-can-i-download-free-apps-without-registering-an-apple-idcool

iThings automatically upload to Apple's servers all the photos and videos they make.

iCloud Photo Library stores every photo and video you take, and keeps them up to date on all your devices. Any edits you make are automatically updated everywhere. [...]

(From Apple's iCloud information as accessed on 24 Sep 2015.) The iCloud feature is activated by the startup of iOS. The term “cloud” means “please don't ask where.”
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202033

There is a way to deactivate iCloud, but it's active by default so it still counts as a surveillance functionality.

Unknown people apparently took advantage of this to get nude photos of many celebrities. They needed to break Apple's security to get at them, but NSA can access any of them through PRISM.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/01/naked-celebrity-hack-icloud-backup-jennifer-lawrence
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/surveillance-vs-democracy.html#digitalcash

The iBeacon lets stores determine exactly where the iThing is, and get other info too.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/privacy-advocates-worry-over-new-apple-iphone-tracking-feature-161836223.html

Apple can, and regularly does, remotely extract some data from iPhones for the state.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/05/new-guidelines-outline-what-iphone-data-apple-can-give-to-police/

This may have improved with iOS 8 security improvements; but not as much as Apple claims.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/17/2612af58-3ed2-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/apple-data/

Apple DRM

Apple uses DRM software to prevent people from charging an iThing with a generic USB cable.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/switzerland-wants-a-single-universal-phone-charger-by-2017

DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) in MacOS. This article focuses on the fact that a new model of Macbook introduced a requirement for monitors to have malicious hardware, but DRM software in MacOS is involved in activating the hardware. The software for accessing iTunes is also responsible.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/apple-downgrades-macbook-video-drm

DRM that caters to Bluray disks. (The article focused on Windows and said that MacOS would do the same thing subsequently.)
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2007/08/aacs-tentacles/

say what you will about them and their moronic users

the screen on those things is godly

Apple Jails

iOS, the operating system of the Apple iThings, is a jail for users. That means it imposes censorship of application programs.
http://boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-yo.html

Apple has used this power to censor all bitcoin apps for the iThings.
http://boingboing.net/2014/02/07/apple-yanks-last-remaining-bit.html

Apple, in the iThings, pioneered the practice of general purpose computers that are jails, and the term comes from iThing users, who referred to escaping from the censorship as “jailbreaking.”

Here is an article about the code signing that the iThings use to jail the user.
http://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2008/03/07/code-signing-and-you/

Curiously, Apple is beginning to allow limited passage through the walls of the the iThing jail: users can now install apps built from source code, provided the source code is written in Swift. Users cannot do this freely because they are required to identify themselves. Here are details.

While this is a crack in the prison walls, it is not big enough to mean that the iThings are no longer jails.

More examples of Apple's arbitrary and inconsistent censorship.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/11/papers-please-game-ipad-nude-body-scans

Apple Tyrants

Apple arbitrarily blocks users from installing old versions of iOS.
http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/01/ios-8-1-signing-window-closed/

The iThings are tyrant devices: they do not permit installing a different or modified operating system. There is a port of Android to the iThings, but installing it requires finding a bug or “exploit” to make it possible to install a different system.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150721065208/http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/Status

>>56089172
>>56089182
Must be Reputation Managers.
You guys with Waggener Edstrom or Burson Marsteller? So professional, so well-prepared.

>>56089214
>gloss shit
>good

Fuck off millennial.

>>56089214
i bet you're so euphoric you'd call Knuth a moron to his face

>>56089222
>>56089227
I get it, you have thinkpads with that horrible subpar screen, it's ok, one day you'll leave your mothers' basement and get a job at mcd and still won't be able to afford anything like it

so kill yourselves

Shockingly, the Macbook (2015/2016) keyboard isn't bad as i thought it was after using type racer for a few minutes in store. I got a fairly respectable 90 wpm out of it.

And while not great, it started feeling acceptable. I have to admit if it wasn't for connectivity issues i might even consider one. Though i'd rather get a pro i think.

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>>56089237
>mactoddler thinks his gloss shit <70% aRGB cancer is good

>>56089197
Really? I've never used a Macbook myself, but I suspected from the fact that a lot of google engineers use Macbooks with linux that they would get enough hardware support.

>>56089237
I use a rMBP 15" as I have since I converted from PC pleb life years ago, but I wouldn't disrespect someone just simply based on the fact of the computer they use.

>>56082051
I like the pic related new keyboard.
Also, champagne color is cool.

>>56089246
that's just how everything new is.

they put a lot of thought into how to make a winning combination of a product. PC laptops just try to give you more of the same, cycle after cycle because they're fearful of alienating their autistic market who only have enough NEETbux to buy a $700 computer.

Same shitty plastic trackpad. Same squishy keyboard, same plastic frame, year after year after year.

At least Apple updates their shit, and keeps the god tier stuff for good reason.

I've got a 2013 macbook air and overall it's pretty decent. Not sure if i want to upgrade this/next year or try and extend it's lifetime a little by replacing the battery and maybe a new SSD. My model has just 4gb of ram though, and while i've not encounter many problems with it i'd rather get an 8gb model to be sure.

The heaviest work i do on it is editing a podcast though, so maybe a core-m powered macbook would be able to cope with it.

>>56089252
Ehh, it's not the best. Last time I used a mac + linux as my daily driver (2 years ago, 2009 MBP), the trackpad took a lot of configuration to make it not suck and the wireless was always a little sketchy.

My first mac was a 13" pro. Coming from a lenovo thinkpad, (and ibm before that) shit was awesome. I was very satisfied.

My next mac was the 2013 retina 15" pro. Still using it to this day, still going strong. All my doubt is gone.

I got a mini as a htpc and I automated the shit out of it. got my gf a 13" retina pro because she was macfag before I was.

we are both very satisfied. i can game on it, i can program on it, run virtual machines, open MSOffice shit natively without installing anything (using Preview). The ONLY problem, and I'm sure it will be fixed soon, is that sometimes accessing the mini over the network can't be found, but i just have to relaunch finder. not exactly the quality i've come to expect from apple, but it will probably be fixed, and it rarely happens.

my computer is fast as fuck

>>56089321
>Ehh

This should be bannable

>>56089298
I think the over 50s is probably the prime market for the $500-700 computer, besides NEETs.

I tried to encourage my mom to get a better laptop but she was insistent that "computers go out of date after only 2 years, whats the point of spending more" ... well, she's had it for 4 years now. And hates it's crappy trackpad with no palm detection.

She also refused to consider a mac because she was sure touchscreen is an absolutely essential feature. She's actually disgusted my macbook hasn't got touchscreen. And every time i'm using it at her's she jabs her finger at my screen and then goes "oh, i thought it had touch screen, you would have thought a computer that cost THAT much would have it"

ugh.

>>56089607
wow, touchscreen is such an obvi meme too, why do normalfriends fall for it?

Bought the last 17" (Late 2011) in early 2012 with all the options/upgrades excluding that damn matte display, and it's the bees knees still. Mainly use it for Photoshop and Illustrator in OSX 10.9.5 Handles 16 bit 60 mp Hasselblad files pretty damn well still.

>>56085802
Why would you care? Do you work for Dell?

>>56090389
>say something even slightly positive about my laptop brand
>instantly get called a shill
Fuck off iToddler.

They make good phone chargers.

>>56082051
cocaine slides on them pretty well, never gets wasted.