It's confirmed: AMD is literally a cancer

>>56073238
Are you really this retarded?

>>56073252
>AMD apologist spotted

>>56073263
"I want Intel and AMD to be the only companies to make GPUs and CPUs"
-OP 2016

>BAWWWW I CANNOT PLAY VIDEO GAME WITH MY OLD-AS-THE-HIGHWAY AMD PROCESSOR

I bet you cried when WoW started to required SSE2 too.

Literally get cancer and die your piece of shit.

>A 10-year old CPU deosn't have modern features required for a console port that has horrible performance issues.
Wow it's fucking nothing. Do you want to run it on a Pentium 3 as well?

>>56073238
Say that to my cheap as fuck dual core unlocked Phenom II X4 3.2 Ghz.

I could get two subwoofers and an amp for my car for the price of the cheapest i3 on the market and an Intel mobo.

>>56073283
It's not even the feature set, but that the game apparently REQUIRES not SSE2, not SSE3, but specifically REQUIRES the almost Intel specific, very fucking rarely used SSSE3 codepath for the physics module to work properly.

I can count on my fingers the amount of programs which are SSSE3 (not SSE3) dependant to run properly.
No Man's Sky confirmed a shitty Elite: Dangerous (itself a shitty open space wannabe) clone.

wont a CPU limited to an older version of SSE still be able to handle the instructions, just way way less efficiently?

>>56073238
Fuck off back to /v/ you retarded underage

>>56073344
Yes, double dubs man, you are correct.

In any case people shouldnt (and really wont) be complaining that their 10+ year old CPUs arent up to snuff.

>>56073238
>No Mans Sky
Their solution for bad multiplayer servers was literally "stop playing the game"

fucking nu males

>>56073238
Anybody saved from playing this massive fucking disappointment should count themselves lucky.

>>56073263
>>56073238
autist

>>56073327
THANKS INTEL

>>56073238
nice try JIDF

>>56073327
But AMD has full SSE3 and SSSE3 support what they didn't have is full SSE4 support with their own SSE4a implantation instead of SSE4.1/4.2

>>56073686
The issue apparently is with much older original Phenom processors which only support SSE3, not SSSE3.

Really a moot fucking issue. This thread is nothing but shill tactics bait bullshit.

What;s the point of this thread? my old as fuck core 2 Q6600 CPU supports SSSE3 and it's a 15 dollar four core.

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>it's another intel vs amd thread

>>56073863
Well AMD didn't support it until 2011 and Intel supported it from 2006

that is it.

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>>56073999
I still don't see the problem, the original phenoms are 9 years old, and are only now running into a problem with a lack of SSSE3 instructions, it's way past it's end of life, I don't even play any modern games on my CPU because it's so old it bottlenecks.

>>56073238
>amd phenom
>old as molasses just like the C2Q cpus which are also missing many instruction sets compared to the modern core i series
and your point is?.....

>>56073238
>on the PC community
Which PC community?
/r/pcmasterrace?
Go back to shilling there, because /g/ isn't the place to shill your trash.

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>>56073238
So No Man's Sky was built with SSE4.1 requirements and because AMD's last gen processors didn't have it (lol) it needed to be rebuilt with SSE2?

Holy shit that's hilarious. AMD not only gimps innovation in it's GPU division, but also it's CPU division.

>b..but AMD is just as good as intel!
>b..but the instructions per clock is just slightly less, nothing else!
>b..but nobody will ever need modern instruction sets!
glad you saved $30 AMDrones?

>>56075494
>No Man's Sky
indie trash

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>>56073238
I guess they'll just have to wait for zen.

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>>56073238
>games that i will never bother to play

whatever kid

>>56073238

AMD is seriously so fucking retarded.

I can't wait until this horrible company dies.

>>56074180
Even my q9550 from 2008 has SSE4.1 AMD is a fucking joke.

NMS isn't very interesting anyway so no loss there.

>>56073238
Rip havoc

You did well in any decent PC game

Fuck UE4 requires a 6700k to run

>>56073238
Really makes you wonder how many games and applications are being actively gimped from using the latest technology available just to retain AMD compatibility.

Is this the price of competition? Consumers lose because one party is too incompetent to embrace modern instruction sets? Not to mention AMD has unironically not released a true desktop processor in years and idiots looking to save twenty bucks still use their obsoleted and depreciated hardware.

This is actually disgusting no matter what your opinion of games are, since it affects program/application optimization too.

>>56073238
>no man's sky
Literally who cares aside from angry /v/ autists.

There's no reason why they should be supporting phenom 1 CPUs in the first place. It's 10 years old and almost everyone can get whole computers from a generation after that for dirt cheap.

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>>56073238
The first Phenom was such a disaster that only clueless fags getting prebuilts and hardcore amdrones bought it.

>Before Phenom's original release a flaw was discovered in the translation lookaside buffer
> BIOS and software workarounds disable the TLB, and typically incur a performance penalty of at least 10%
>This penalty was not accounted for in pre-release previews of Phenom, hence the performance of early Phenoms delivered to customers is expected to be less than the preview benchmarks.

>>56076771

actually just looked it up and phenom 1 supports SSE3 as well. what exactly is the problem then? games won't even be playable with older CPUs than that.

>>56076754
It has little to do with the actual game and more to do with how something is actually getting nerfed over incompatibility with AMD.

Sure, this case is a game. However how many applications, programs, and yes, games, are forced to use older or less efficient code or functions just to retain AMD compatibility.

Everyone focuses on how incompetent AMD is with GPU technology, it's amazing how we come full circle and realize their CPU division is just as bad, if not worse, since the CPU really is the most important part of any system.

>>56076816
>just to retain AMD compatibility.
not just amd you shitfuck, old processors in general, there's TONS of core2 duo's and even pentium D's floating around with outdated instructions too.

>>56073305
>2016
>being a car audio fag

Slit your throat.

>>56075494
>A 10 year old processor doesnt support modern standards
wow its fucking nothing
/g/ really cant into reading comprehension

>>56073238
You have two options: buy an AMD CPU from 2008 instead, it has sse 4.1
OR
don't play that shitty game.

>Phenom
>P h e n o m

of course all the angry Nvidia shills are going to spin this off as "people need to gimp games to support AMD" and /g/ eats up every bit of it

fucking damn /g/

AMD holding back technology since forever

>>56076897
AMD had no support for SSSE3 and SSE4.1 until 2011.

>>56077405
Yeah because a 10 year old processor not having todays tech is bad ;^)

>caring about nu male sky

>>56077947
Fuck performance vs Intel, things like this are what people should be bringing up during comparisons.

"durr hurr but it's slightly cheaper for my food stamps"
Yeah too fucking bad it's missing vital functionality because AMD engineers are degenerates even by low standards.

AMD needs to die so that another company that actually knows what they're doing takes over. People don't realize that. If AMD dies it's not an instant Intel or NIVIDA monopoly. The courts will force someone else to take over and it'll be a bigger win for everyone.

>>56073363
This.

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>>56078043
Try a <5 year old processor.

>captcha is STOP ME
moderate kek, even the captcha hates AMD

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>>56073238

AMD actually has the fastest CPUs but the Jewish Intel shills get paid to write code to make AMD slower. Nevermind benchmarks that do the same to trick the typical braindead consumer.

>>56078072
>excusing disgusting behaviour just to validate your poor purchase decisions
kys amdrone

>>56078091
Single thread performance and efficiency is all that matters.

>>56073379
anon I think you misheard, their solution was to not include multiplayer in the first place

>>56073252
no he just has to earn his salary by acting like the most minute shit is going to ruin his employer's competitor

>>56078091
right, it has nothing to do with the fact that AMD uses a process node from 2010 on their CPUs

>>56073742
>This thread is nothing but shill tactics bait bullshit.

WELCOME TO /g/ NEWFRIEND!

>>56078109

>all he does is run 1 tab of Chromium

topkek. I do real work and I'll take any god damn thing, give me more cores. Our SQL Servers run 16 cores each, and there's several of them.

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SSE3 is a part of every AMD64 CPU, I am not seeing why anyone would target something older

>>56076843
>likes music
>drives car often
>wants good sound quality in car

what are you even sperging about you sad waste of space

>>56078109

>POWER8

>>56078135
Did you even read OP, retard?
SSE3 isn't SSSE3

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>>56073238
>No Multiplayer's Sky
I heard that game jewed out the numales who went hype over it. Serves them right. Real men have sex and the only game they play is Gran Turismo on the PS2. Dumb PC gamer faggots

>>56073238
Is No Man's Sky the largest dissapointment in the history of ever?

>So much hype, literally years of it
>Promised a fucking universe
>We got about 6 biomasses cloning themselves infinitely, game gets repetitive after one day
>pc version runs worse than arkham knight

srsly wtf mane

>>56078186
>implying AMDrones can read
common misconception

>>56073914
Which is wrong, since Intel always remaind at the same number of hyperthreads per core over the years.
Now if we are talking about sparc, that would be different.

>>56078193
>spend so much money on that setup
>buy a tiny-ass monitor
this is what triggers me the most

>>56078208
Its also wrong because AMD quad cores are actually dual cores.

>>56078235
It's also wrong because Intel never claimed hyperthreads to be cores unlike AMD.

They're just "logical" cores at the OS level.

>>56075494
>>56073238
so you are blaming AMD for the (supposed) incompetence of some devs? you know you can detect and support CPU newer features without having to remove them, right?

meanwhile Intel is still releasing processor cores without x86-64

And this is why the GPLv3 is important, it allows you to study the code, have freedom to make it work on older CPUs, and most importantly your companies won't monopolize on it and add DRM.

>>56078267

This is /g/, you ALWAYS blame AMD for things that are not their fault.

>>56078079
The entire bulldozer family is 5 years old and has them.

>>56078267
>adding extra lines of code
>adding extra processing for ever if statement
gosh forbid a something standard should actually be included standard

I guess every dev should put conditional checks in their code to make sure it's IBM compatible while we're at it.

>>56078319
>This is /g/, you ALWAYS blame AMD for things that are not their fault.
I think you mean "/v/tards are leaking"
these faggots are so fucking retarded, is not even funny

>>56078328
>not letting the compiler do that for you
>not using libraries for these things
kys fucking retard

>>56078328
Instruction set extensions aren't standardized, they're extensions to the existing instruction set you fucking retard. AMD and Intel propose their own instruction set extensions but its up to the other to implement them or not. There's no unified standard. Stuff Intel proposes usually becomes standard because they have more marketshare while stuff AMD proposes falls to the wayside

omg i hate amd now

This wouldn't be a problem if we used RISC.

>>56076843

Seriously. That was for the 90s kids who have no hearing left.

>>56078387

Only good post in the thread.

>>56075965
Great argument we got here

Who gives a shit about instruction sets. Just add more fake cores.

>>56078491
and more TDP
more is better, 225w isn't enough, we need at least at least a 860w TDP AMD processor with 12 "modules" then AMD will truly be a competitor

>tfw I'm joking but I wouldn't actually put it past AMD to do such a thing

Those instruction are x86 extensions and not all CPU's are guaranteed to have them , so the software writer must make sure that the extensions are supported by the CPU and if not handle it accordingly , in a good case make less fast fallback code that is supported or works with the core instructions of the architecture

tl;dr c++ pajeets fuck up once agian

>>56075494
You faggots need to understand that SSE(now AVX) is Intel's baby and they hold the standards and practices to physically implement it and implement it in instructions.

AMD needs to reverse engineer SSE down to the ISA to implement it. If Intel released SSE2 in 2001 it would have taken at least one hardware generation to see it on AMD. They can only implement this INTEL SPECIFIC THING. AFTER THE FACT.

Again, if Intel released SSE3 in 2004 or whatever, you wouldn't have seen it on AMD hardware for A MINIMUM OF ONE NEW HARDWARE GENERATION.
It's like how it took Intel the development of SSE/SSE2 to deprecate AMD's (short lived and barely used) 3DNow! extension support.

you people are cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_instruction_set#History

>>56073238
>TFW people unironically defend AMD
Is it because their CEO is female?

Are AMD's white knights all nu-males?

>>56078529

A lot of Intel's performance leaps per gen come from them baking AVX into their chips.

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>>56078491
Every time

>>56078203
>implying nvidiots have actual opinions instead of whatever the jews make them think

common misconception

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I asked my wife's son about this and he insured me that AMD is the best. He said their engineering team is more diverse than intel and therefore releases a better product.

I would go out to buy an AMD processor right now, but my wife took the car to meet up with her bull since it's Sunday.

>>56078572
AMD released products that support the required extensions 5 years ago. They didn't do anything, neither did the game devs I think. If you're using old hardware don't expect new games to make an active effort to support you

>>56078590
>a thread about processors
>the amdrone discusses nvidia
You literally just proved the point in your quoted post

>Intel jews in full swing

Good, goyim. More shekels for your masters.

>>56078646
It's sunday retard

There's been a suspicious amount of AMD hating going on the last few weeks.

>>56078763

Its because they had a rather positive outlook from their financial report and /g/ is utterly convinced AMD is going to die this year for reals this time.

it's quite clear that this is a troll thread. many posts make clear that if the devs really removed support for the lattest instruction set extensions, they are to blame, not AMD.
>>56073327
>>56073344
>>56073742
>>56078267
>>56078351
>>56078365
>>56078526
>>56078712
>>56078763

also
>muh gaymes
>>>/v/

sage

>>56078790
>/g/ is utterly convinced AMD is going to die this year for reals this time.
you mean children from /v/

>>56079646

Like I said, /g/.

>>56076728
fear has some of the best ai i have ever delt with in a game, and its only gotten worse and worse over the years. is all the new processing power we have just for eye candy?

seriously eye candy can go fuck itself, I want the game to function, and that's it, if i can get the game to look better awesome if i cant i should be able to turn eye candy off .

>>56073238
jesus fucking christ, are they trying to get the game to run on a fucking PHENOM?

>"Bobcat" and above
THAT'S LITERALLY EVERY NEW CPU SINCE 2011, FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.

>>56076816
any half decent program has multiple different ways for the thing to function and if it has newer instruction sets, so be it it performs better.

any program that doesn't do this still functions and likely as good as it needs to do work.

>>56078091
Don't forget that Intel owns the Havok physics engine.

>>56077947
>until 2011
that was five years go, now.

>>56073238
Thousands of lines in assembly is literally nothing
>Havok can't even have a reference implementation in C that can be compiled for anything
"""""""Video""""""""" """""""""Games""""""""" ((((((((((((Developers)))))))))))))
>>56075494
>So No Man's Sky was built with SSE4.1 requirements and because AMD's last gen processors didn't have it (lol) it needed to be rebuilt with SSE2?
Great reading abilities senpai
>>56076728
>Really makes you wonder how many games and applications are being actively gimped from using the latest technology available just to retain AMD compatibility.
Really makes you wonder how many games and applications are being actively gimped from using the latest technology available just to retain Intel compatibility.
muh HSA
>>56076771
Indie games need to run on everything to cover as much market as possible, otherwise no one would buy the games
>>56078135
They're targeting SSSE3 which almost no one uses since they were supplemental and add almost nothing

>>56078061
what you dont realize is that if lets say samsung buys amd, amd is only going to be in their phones or laptops/tablets, you will never buy another amd chip again.

same with microsoft

>>56073327
>It's not even the feature set, but that the game apparently REQUIRES not SSE2, not SSE3, but specifically REQUIRES the almost Intel specific, very fucking rarely used SSSE3 codepath for the physics module to work properly.

Yeah it also requires Windows and other things that you don't really get a choice about. Blame the jews, I don't give a fuck.

>>56078648
that may have been true before quad cores, but once we got even the slowest ones, fucking everything works on them.

some tasks like gaming and pro work demand more of a computer, but EVERYTHING runs fine on even the shittiest quad core, so no, i expect them to run on the old quad cores and stop being so shit with how they make games and efficiently make use of a quad core instead of letting 2-3 of the 4 cores hang and do nothing.

>>56079819
>THAT'S LITERALLY EVERY NEW CPU SINCE 2011, FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.


processor requirements

Intel Core i3

oldest i3 because they didnt specify what i3 is Core i3-530 and it is significantly worse then a phenom II

we hit processor parity a long time ago, we see no benefit from newer processors and back with phenoms amd had a fair amount of market share. there is no reason to get a new cpu for performance reasons outside of select games that actually use all 4 cores and still demand more.

>>56079934

> instead of letting 2-3 of the 4 cores hang and do nothing.

While DX11 and older exist that will be the way things are.

>>56076798
The TLB bug only affected Barcelona and was fixed in the B3 stepping and all subsequent releases, the workarounds/fixes was only for existing Barcelona CPUs prior to the B3 stepping, this was back in 2007.

That's less of a fuckup than several years of goddamned netburst.

>>56075494
>So No Man's Sky was built with SSE4.1 requirements and because AMD's last gen processors didn't have it (lol) it needed to be rebuilt with SSE2?
Post literally says:
>Havok Physics still requires “Supplemental SSE 3”, which was not supported until “Bobcat” and above

Dyslexia much? Havok, the company who makes their physics engine, used a version of SUPPLEMENTAL SSE instructions that AMD had to literally reverse-engineer before they could incorporate it into the next architecture on the drawing board, which usually takes at least 3 years from principal design on-the-shelf product.

Intel is once again that they're the Monsanto of semiconductors.

>>56076185
>YAYYY!!! $300 FOR AN i3 IS TOTALLY A BARGAIN!!!

>>56073238
>using havok physics

>>56073238
>EDF4.1 pc release needs sse3
>game is actually good and full of content
>phenom processors don't run ut
>Community member fixes it in a day and it doesn't break multiplayer
>First patch 5 days in implements that fix
>game remains good

>no man's sky
>people seem to give a shit so shit posters jump on board

>>56078583
5% meeds to be changed to "+/-3%"

>>56073238
>hello games
>relevant

This is what happens when you compile with the intel compiler

>>56073914
in this sense, both faked.
AMD used "modules", Intel used "HT".
But hey, Intel never called "HT" cores, only "threads".

http://ark.intel.com/products/75123/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

> # of Cores 4
> # of Threads 8

Btw I don't know what happened.
> Athlon X2
> Superior single core performance to Core2Quad
> fast forward
> Phenom X6
> sucks ass in every single core perf

why. how.

>>56078143
> car audio fag
> sound quality

Now friend, you know that's a fucking joke.
Audio car fags never invest in quality audio.
They invest in oversized subwoofers and amps, and try to blow up their ears.

>>56078194
well, people still bought it.

>>56082434
I still have trouble convincing people that the extra threads from HT are much much weaker than the main threads and only give 30% performance increase (which is by no means small though). But nothing was faked, both are just ways to increase integer throughput by intelligently using die space. I don't know why there isn't a middle ground using one big wide core (intel core) paired with a smaller narrow core (bulldozer) and find a nice balance there.

>>56082548
>I still have trouble convincing people that the extra threads from HT are much much weaker than the main threads
i3 vs i5 would be an easy thing to explain then

>>56078235
so an 8350 is actually a quad core? really makes u think

>>56082548

>big wide core (intel core) paired with a smaller narrow core (bulldozer) and find a nice balance there.

big.LITTLE runs off that principle.

>>56078235
>>56078257
>i don't know jack shit about anything and been here less than a year
Integer cores have always been the metric to measure cores
Also, FlexFPU wasn't even nearly close to being the bad design principle in Bulldozer, the shared frontend was, and even then it wouldn't had been so bad if GloFo had a decent process back then

>>56080080
Uhhh i3s cost like $120

And the irony is they are way faster than AMD's $160 processors

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>>56083256

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>>56083256
>buy i3 6100 to finally upgrade from 775 socket Q9500
>lose smidge of multithread performance
>gain almost double single thread performance
>possibility to upgrade to Kaby Lake 7600/7700k later
>going to buy a 470 or 480 to support AMD simply because we can't let Nvidia get a monopoly

>>56078194
starship citizen which might be finished in 10 years.

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>>56083390
Try again

>>56083595
Funny how the $117 i3 6100 beats the $200 FX 8370

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very relevant video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mfnnKbJJ8

>>56083595
>>56083611
Are shills out on full force again? Where are the 800x600 Skyrim benchs?

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>>56083622
also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4x0VYKk0I

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>>56073914
Are you actually calling hyperthreading "faking cores"

>>56082548
>I don't know why there isn't a middle ground using one big wide core (intel core) paired with a smaller narrow core (bulldozer) and find a nice balance there.
because
1. clocking up/down x86 chips is much better for power draw to performance
2. wasting die space on that is kind of stupid for big dies.

>>56078091
Are you my wife's son? He said he was popular and well respected on this forum...

>>56078456
it is

>>56073238
>no mans buy
>relevant

Its a terrible PC port

>>56083749
Also x86 has no need for that like ARM chips

>>56083256
>Uhhh i3s cost like $120
They do now, but won't be doing that for very long if AMD goes out of business.

>TFW the glorious 8350 will get even cheaper with the release of zen and we can get "8 cores" for literally nothing.

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>>56078282
lmao no they arent look ill che- oh

>>56084923
wtf I love amd now

>>56083635
if it's not a cpu bound scenario even for the highest processor listed it doesn't mean shit retard. imagine if they benched all the gpu's at Low 720p hur dur look nvidia's $1200 gpu is barely faster than than the rx 480 nvidiots on suicide watch durrr

kys.

>>56073238
>PC community
>>>/reddit/

>>56073238
> >Thousands of lines of assembly have been rewritten overnight to support AMD CPUs

>rewriting assembly
>2017-1

>>56073238
I hope to god you're getting paid to produce shit like this. If not, you need to seriously re-evaluate your life.