Have we lost millennials to The Botnet for good?

>>56066974
Yeah they really don't see it as a problem. I don't know what to say to them.

>>56066974
If you try to explain why data mining is a bad thing, you'll see that your arguments are equally retarded.

>the govmint will read my mind
>everyone will know when I masturbate
>if they want my info then it must be valuable and therefore if they get it they're stealing from me

>>56066974
That's because they have been cucked by cultural Marxism force-fed since kindergarten.

Is '91 being millennial? Hard to tell since I'm not from West but at least me and my brother still aren't cucked but it gets harder anons, there is some thinly veiled line between protecting my privacy and just making my life a nightmare by avoiding everything related to google etc, I'm sure google still finds a way to know everything about me via my android phone.

>>56066974
I can almost guarantee you're a millenial.

>>56067324
>>56067348
"millennials" are generally considered to be people born between like 1980 - 2000

>>56067405
Which is exactly why I said I can almost guarantee OP is one.

>>56067429
You could wrong man since OP is probably 13

>>56066974
I don't care, I have nothing to hide.

Are you a pedo? Literally nobody but criminals have anything to hide.

>>56067494
Which is why "almost" is in there. You should try learning to read sometime.

>>56067513
You're exactly what's wrong with the fucking world

>>56067513
:^)

No amount of sinister facts will convince them otherwise. People want to be connected and share the good parts of their lives. They want to feel like they matter and their opinions have meaning. This interconnectivity is just a natural stage for us to explore. I don't blame them and if I was in the position, I'd take advantage of their content too.

>>56067537
No man you can't act like this on an anonymous message board it's weak character

>>56067553
Nah, I think you pedophiles are.

All I know is by the time the few of them realize their mistake it'll be too late.

>>56066974
>>56067606
>tfw you will never experience the ignorant bliss of being a normie

>>56066974
>he hasn't lost every shred of hope he had for humanity by now
you're a better anon than I

So you're all mad that real people (meaning not you nerds/virgins/NEETS/assorted human trash) don't care which means no "revolution" will happen which means Google will never stop knowing you wank to cartoons and have no friends/life?

>>56067821
>he needs "social" media to have friends

This board is 18+ kid.

>>56067826

How would you know what is or is not needed to have friends?

Most of the world is short-sighted and can't appreciate problems if they don't feel they'll be affected by them directly. People won't care until some rogue Google employee starts leaking Internet history with real names.

>>56067930
You're just fearmongering because you like kiddie porn.

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>>56067034
Say nothing. It's not like you can convince someone that giving a global advertising giant full access to your personal info is never a good idea.

Just don't do it yourself.

>>56066974
>>>inb4 lel i dun't care
>>inb4 u pedo, bro?
>>inb4 nuttin 2 hyde

all perfectly valid points, kid fiddler

>>56066974
I was born in 1993, and my generation seems to be the one that was on the brink of when people and culture began to rapidly change on this matter. Most have accepted it, some haven't, the whole has a more realistic sense of awareness.

It's all about contrast. The new generation has no primary means to delineate their everyday context to the old world, and worse, they've been engineered such that they don't give a damn.

Scientism won. It's all about faith now, and delusions of pseudo-collectivism and false progress. I also wouldn't be surprised if chronic exposure to microwave band radiation altered their intellectual development. Still, it's too early to tell what the next generation will become. Who knows. Mine was a net failure that helped build this mess, maybe the next one will have greater foresight.

I'm a millennial and I don't have facebook, instagram, twitter or any of that bs. People think it's weird but fuck them, I don't see any reason why I need to put my private life on the web for all to see.

>>56066974
They'll snap out of it, when things go south.

Our society has been lulled into a false sense of security. Nothing can possibly ever go wrong here. You only need to look at the anti-gun movement to see that. "Why do you care if we take your guns, its not like the government will ever turn tyrannical."

When shit hits the fan and the downside of the botnet is revealed, they'll realize how wrong they were.

>>56068093
But what about pussy? Don't you want any?

>>56068105
>Being such a beta that you need to give up your principles for a girl
If she won't switch to Signal or IRC for you, then she's not worth it

>>56068053
>I also wouldn't be surprised if chronic exposure to microwave band radiation altered their intellectual development.


Most retarded thing I've read on /g/ today. Good job. Microwave radiation is non-ionizing low energy radiation and is incapable of causing cellular damage moron.

>>56068105
Never had a problem with that. I just meet girls the old fashioned way, by talking to them. I have a puppy which is an awesome conversation starter when out on walks.

>>56068132
>cellular damage moron

Where is the comma, genius?

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>>56068105
I have facebook and instagram, still don't get any pussy.

Why do people not questioning their lack of digital freedom cause you distress and anger you?

It's really getting harder to unsubscribe even if you try.

Still in school so i see all that you're talking about. Most just don't care.

>>56067405
Millenial is a worthless term that should be abolished.

If you say Gen Y and Gen Z, people know exactly whom you're talking about.

>>56068159
You have yourself, so you have pussy already.

>>56068102
Nobody is actually out to grab anyone's guns. Nobody is suggesting bans on all firearms and even the more limited gun control measures that periodically gets put up for legislation never gets passed because too many corrupt politicians are knee deep in the NRA's pockets.

If the massacre of 26 kids wasn't able to bring about increased gun control nothing will. This country has already made it clear we don't want it. There will be no gun grabbing and anyone who says there will be is just fear-mongering.

>>56068156
,

>>56068161
Because these guys like kiddie porn or other pathetic shit that is frowned upon by humans and think that they will be outed if real people don't "come to their aid and fight the big bad anti-freedumbs"

>>56066974
>Have we lost millennials to The Botnet for good?
Yes

>>56068132
Ionization (and thermals / SAR) is irrelevant and not the only mechanism for spurring change in a system. The function of ion channels is influenced by magnetic fields, both static and fluctuating. In this case most notably voltage dependent calcium channels, which regulate everything from neurotransmitter release to gene expression.

There's objective evidence of an elevation in heat shock protein expression (cellular stress pathway), and if this persists chronically, it begins to stop havi9ng repairative effects and becomes damaging. Remember that the window of hormesis is finite.

There's also evidence of increased blood brain barrier permeability, likely because of those same calcium channel mechanics.

You're on mount stupid right now, and suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. You know enough to be dangerous, but have far too little insight, or the means, to realize where you're lacking. That you'd bring up non-ionizing properties is proof of this. Learn more about the machinery of the mind, and universe, before thinking you know much of anything.

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>>56068223
Can you cite this evidence? Not the guy you replied to, I'm interested in learning more about it.

>>56067405
Hey now. People from 2000 aren't millennials. They're like, iGeneration or something. It's a cringe name, but atleast they're not millennials.

It's just normalshits having access to previously guarded technology. They eat what they're fed and never investigate or question. TV existed to exploit them, and now Facegoogle serves that role.

There was a brief technoutopian delusion that technology would reform the sheeple, and maybe it has a little, but "hacker culture" was a tiny island getting repeatedly pounded by tsunamis of mouthbreathers.

There's only a small percent of the population who will ever give a fuck, and they're still there, but just obscured and obfuscated because they don't have exclusive access to transformative technology.

>>56068223
Most fedora tier post I've read all day.

Even if all these ion calcium channels are affected by magnetic fields the output power of a phone or laptop is tiny. The Earth's magnetic field, cell towers, high voltage wires, etc. all probably have a much greater effect on you than a phone would.

>>56068263
Exactly. That anon is basically saying talking on a cell phone causes cancer

>>56066974
Listen, I'm a Data Scientist at a company that holds exabyte scale data on people's usage patterns. I concentrate on just a few petabytes of that data, but I hear about what my colleagues are doing across the company and in industry.

Seriously, no one is out to get you. Honestly, no one gives a shit about you. We're too obsessed with increasing our top line and make our product more excellent.

Do you not want Netflix knowing what movies you watch? How about YouTube on videos you liked. Amazon has very helpful shopping recommendations and tailors search well. I've trained Google to give me wonderfully targeted search results for developer queries.

The web before recommendation and search was a shit place. If the botnet was gone tomorrow, I guarantee many of your websites favorite features would be gone and be much lower quality.

Breaches of this trust like Facebook recommending biased articles are startling. I would like to see more laws passed in privacy to prevent this favoring not based on users preference or ad bid price.

Even the above breach of trust example, they don't give a shit about you. seriously. I sign up to send extra data every chance I get and I don't blink an eye.

>>56068263
Not that anon but hey I agree.
Also: should be noted that the FCC has investigated any and all harmful effects, and (despite there being no conclusive evidence of said harmful effects) has placed restrictions and guidelines for all phone manufacturers to abide by in the US. This include chink phones, if they're able to be sold legally to the US.
In short, no, we're not going to have our brains melted by cellphones. There are people who's jobs are making sure this doesn't happen.

>>56068303
[citation needed]

>>56068303
>Listen, I'm a botnet
>It's okay, don't need to worry. Give in to me

>>56068303
>Do you not want Netflix knowing what movies you watch? How about YouTube on videos you liked.

Absolutely not. That's retarded. Do you want your parents know about the shemale porn that you wank off to? No? Well, why let Google know it, but not your own parents?

>I sign up to send extra data every chance I get and I don't blink an eye.
Well that's because you're an idiot.

>>56068240
I can, but it'll just be a cursory skim through pubmed to find papers that look superficially like they communicate what I mean to get across. It'll be a starter, but you'll likely be better off searching further yourself or reading through a textbook (I recommend From Molecules to Networks).

Hold on.

>>56068263
>the output power of a phone or laptop is tiny.
It's not strictly about "power", because it's not about thermals.

>>56068321
>Also: should be noted that the FCC has investigated
The FCC's guidelines are based solely on the SAR at a given distance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate
Which means thermals. Heat. Not how cellular machinery responds to magnetic fields.

>>56066974
I'm a millennial and I'm with you guys. The town i live is made it illegal to own baby ball pythons even though that's some dumb nigger shit. If the police could see my online history they would know this and take it away or fine me, which isn't fair. I never affected anyone negatively so why should i be punished

I have tails for if i don't want everyone spying on me.
Facebook and whatnot just sell the info to advertisers and whatnot for money. I trust for profit companies to do this.

Why government wants my info is fsr more insidious and they also have jurisdiction past their own products unlike fb or google.

>>56068344
No, but I want the site I'm using to show me the hottest dick girls I'm into. Never been a fan of dick sucking porn, but I love doggy style ass fucking. I want my search engine to tailor these results to me when I search for dick girls. They're making a better quality product for you because it makes them money and gives you good results. Bing being good for porn is no accident. There's porn experimentation going on right now to make the product better.

I want the products I use to be better. that's not dumb. Most of the time, when they take my data, they are.

There's nothing you or anyone can do about it, let us just hope our overlords are kind to us in the future.

>>56068328
why do you think you're important enough to be interesting?

>>56068303
You're either extremely naive or a liar.

>>56068427
If that's the case why do you feel the need to mine data?

>>56068303

If you dont't care, then why do you mine people's data?

>>56068438
I've worked for spam companies, dropping cookies to collect metadata points and buying emails. I've worked for lead bidding platforms where we literally sell people's information to the highest bidder. I now work for clean fortune 50 data collection. Top to bottom, you have nothing to worry about. If anything the biggest danger is malicious data like credit cards and identity theft like that lastpass crack a few years back.

>>56068439
I mine data as a hobby, I enjoy the mathematics being large datasets, very challenging scale problems, very rewarding career path, and not many people can do it well.

>>56068359
>Hold on.
Okay...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27346366
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26950212

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25749756
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23949848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22371824

Overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage-dependent_calcium_channel

Like I said. I recommend researching ion channels specifically, and physics, if you want to build a framework where these sorts of findings fit in naturally and aren't compartmentalized.

>>56068215
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

>>56067405
>>56068242
1995+ is generation z

>>56068127
>If she won't switch to Signal or IRC for you, then she's not worth it
I'll write this down

Reminder that all of you "privacy enthusiasts" who believe that Facebook and Google and Microsoft are "botnets" UNIRONICALLY and LITERALLY own and operate cell phones.

>>56068454
There's 3 forms of business: business to business, business to consumer, consumer to middleman to consumer (uberesque models). Incorporating people's data fits well into all 3 categories in different ways. People in aggregate are very interesting, and spend a lot of money. Sensor data is interesting too, but never worked much with it. Also rewarding career. Lots of math, lots of scale, lots of fun

I don't know about you guys, but I feel a deep sense of security from having the state watching over and protecting us.

>>56068359
If I had a proper H field probe for my oscilloscope I'd hook that shit up and show you why you're wrong.

>>56068415
You sound like a top-tier cuck.

"Let's hope that Big Boy Bubba has an average girth, and is gentle"

Millenial here. I don't use facebook or google.

>>56068496
So what do you recommend to do, to stay safe from the magnetic bullshit without being a hermit or tinfoil hat?

>>56068568

So you make money off of people's data, and the poeple never see a dime? You just gave a valid reason for never giving into the botnet, why would I work for free?

>>56068427
I know I'm unlikely to be of much individual interest to the botnet.

The thing is, even if I trust you (you in the collective sense, meaning everyone tracking everything I do) now, do I trust you for all time? How do I know your company won't get bought out or have it's database sold in bankruptcy? Possibly to someone I don't trust at all? How do I know someone in the future won't use that data to harm me? Even if today's three-letter agencies aren't totalitarian and oppressive, how do I know they won't become so? It's happened before. I don't know, and once that data's out there, I have no way to ever revoke access to it.

hence I think it prudent for nobody to have that data at all. Especially because the only benefit you promise me is advertising. I don't want advertising at all, no matter how relevant you make it.

>>56068559
>cell phones

Swede here. I use Sailfish OS. No Microsoft. No Facebook. No Google.

Checkmate, atheists!

>>56068586
>once that data's out there, I have no way to ever revoke access to it

Teenagers HAVE to understand this. And I mean REALLY understand this. That statement alone is powerful enough.

I know I'm being spied on but I would never be able to talk to half of my clients or random artists I'm a fan of without facebook

Obviously I can communicate them through other means, but I wouldn't have met them without facebook

>>56068397
The search engine should search for what I fucking ask, not for what the botnet thinks I want
If I want to see dick girls doing doggy style ass fucking I'll fucking search for 'dick girl doggy style ass fucking', I don't need the botnet doing it for me
If I happen to not feel like watching doggy style ass fucking today I don't want the botnet getting in my fucking way

You say that like this post isn't indexed by Google.

>>56068580
As far as recommendations I don;t have much to say, I'd just tell you to address your own framework of value, and perform your own risk assessment as you see fit.

However, I can tell you what I do. I don't use any wireless devices, and never have, I don't care for them and the whole cell phone game is an overpriced artificially inflated market to begin with. A complete joke I would never bother investing resources into. But that's mainly because it's not valuable to me. It's not dualistic, there is no payoff. If I did want a cell phone, I'd still avoid it.

In my daily life I just tend to be aware of how things work, and the nature of my environment. I know where I am and what's around. But oh well, I don't go much out of my way to avoid anything. I've even walked up a mountain to the base of a cell tower to see what was there. I rural area so fuck it, society will have to wait to become a nuisance to me. But it will. Eventually. And I'm not fully certain how I'd manage that. There are cheaper materials available to shield magnetic fields and interference, but I've never tested how well they actually work.

I understand the danger of letting strangers know all about your life, and there are measures you can take to prevent that.

Why is it so bad for them to have your info? I'm not defending it, I just want to know what hypothetical event you guys are all talking about that will screw me over enough to say "gee, I wish I didn't put that info on Facebook."

>>56068559
My cellphone is jailbreaked with an Android rom that minimizes that location data gathering bullshit. It probably doesn't make it completely private but it's a start.

>>56068142
Puppies don't last forever anon. Soon that pussy will leave to find the next Chad with a puppy.

>>56068666
Such a wide spectrum of reasons I don't really understand how someone could ask this. Information is valuable, and you can do a lot with it.

My main concern is the construction of complex psychological profiles to the point where you can be selectively influenced, if not have your actions predicted before even you know what you'll do.

>>56068666
You're not concerned about identity theft?

>>56068582
for free? you're living in a time where some of the most amazing technology and convenience is only afforded due to big data. Speech recognition, language processing, information retrieval, question and answering, AI becoming smarter, recommendation engines, amazing econometrics going into showing you the most relevant ad for the best price. Or as you may know it "netflix always shows me something to watch", "amazon has good products" (only top suggested are good), "man I love Google Now" or more simply, this website is really crisp, bet they did a lot of A/B and perf testing to make it the best possible experience for the user. You're not doing any work you fool, you're getting tons of benefits and moving society forward.

>>56068586
you sound like my mom when I bought something online in the 90s. So you don't buy anything online? There are risks, but they outweigh the reward. Some can be dumb and give it to that nigerian prince or can never get there dick pics off the net. Discretion advised, but what most people complain about on here is nonsense

>>56068666
There was a story in the news a while back about a teenage girl who started getting loads of baby ads in the mail, because Target tracked all her purchases and guessed she was pregnant. She hadn't yet told her parents about this.

>>56068706
I don't live with my parents.

>>56068666
I remember a bunch of cases where people posted on facebook that they were out on vacation for a bunch of days and that helped robbers to break in the house and safely steal for a bunch of days.

>>56068666
People always assume that their government will be benevolent. Private companies will collect your data to target ads which is annoyance, but a totalitarian regime will strongarm those same companies to hand over all that data.

Next thing you know your on an "Undesirables" list for that post you made on twitter 5 years ago and can expect a visit from the Stazi.

>>56068572
We're all cucks, whether you like it or not. I don't see you doing anything to stop the botnet, because you can't. Just be glad you're not a full blown slave. That could change in the future.

>>56068489
Just because you've worked as a data scientist doesn't mean you fully understand the intention of data-mining. I will not trust you, facebook, google, the government, or anyone with more information about me than I know about myself. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

>>56068263
The human body would have already corrected for such problems from the earth's magnetic field. Otherwise we as a species would not be alive. Not mention the quadrillions of organisms that came before us.

>>56068699
>>56068703
Fair enough

>>56068706
I remember hearing about that. But mainly I'm talking about Facebook. I live 2,000 miles away from my family; I pretty much *have* to have one to keep in contact with them. Even then I have very limited information on it. No instagram, snapchat, or anything like that.

If you limit the info you give, you're good, right?

>>56068704

I use links2 as my main browser which doesn't support javascript. I don't see ads, and I rarely ever used amazon. I also don't use netflix. You also keep avoided the fact that all of these industries make billions of dollars off of selling people's data. So yes, people work for free for these companies, and I refuse to do so.

>>56068704
>going into showing you the most relevant ad for the best price.
So in other words, you're trying to distract me from what I want to be doing to get me to buy something I otherwise would not? Also I find it questionable that I'll be shown the best prices, since it's already a thing to show different visitors to websites different prices, based on how rich and motivated to buy the ad-targeting guesses you are.

I don't want "personalized recommendations" from anything. Not products, not entertainment, not search. I will decide what I would like to find and then go looking for it, rather than living in a bubble that reinforces what I already do. To all such services I say, don't call me, I'll call you.

>>56068752
>If you limit the info you give, you're good, right?
You're better, but you're not good.

Call your mom. Phones still work in 2016.

>>56068234
only on /g/

>>56068738
LOL. That's what I have to say to you: you have NO IDEA what the intention of data mining is. it's given us some amazing technical revolutions and will continue to. I know how hard it is to make data actually useful, most data is junk. Because I know the actual intricacies of big data from an insider perspective, I don't worry.

>>56068743
I was going to mention this and invoke something anthropic principle-esque, but didn't bother. A lot of people also don't realize the Earth's atmosphere significantly attenuates everything in the microwave band (how shocking, given all the hydrogen up there...) and that most of their background exposure isn't the cosmic microwave background, it's from radon and muons.

>>56066974
I don't care if Google and Facebook know what I'm into for the most part. They don't see my whole life. When I need privacy online I switch to Tor

>>56068726
You have neighbors, friends, roommates, coworkers, and so on. Do you want to forget to lock your screen one day and have them see a bunch of ads for dragon dildos come up in your browser?

We're headed to a world where anyone can know everything you do. I don't know about you, but there's plenty of things that I just don't care for certain other people to know about me.

>>56068805
I don't have friends or roommates. I don't know any of my neighbors. I don't take my personal devices to work.

>>56068752
>>If you limit the info you give, you're good, right?
go through your privacy settings with a fine toothed comb. Run an ad blocker and a cookie-deleting addon to avoid letting facebook have pings of what you do when you're on non-facebook sites. Don't attach a mobile number to your account. Ideally, use a VPN whenever you aren't at home - since why should FB know that you're at a downtown coffee shop today? Always log out of facebook before going anywhere else on the web.

that's not perfect but its a start.

>>56068788
But data mining will improve, and so will its power. No I don't trust you or your intentions. You wouldn't give me unrestricted access to your bank account because I said, "don't worry, you can trust me, I couldn't use all your money even if I wanted to."

>>56068665
Thank you for your input

>>56068796
>muons
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/08/researchers-orbit-a-muon-around-an-atom-confirm-physics-is-broken/
My understanding of particle physics is so limited even when I had to schrödinger's equation in p chem.

How do muons affect us?

I once got tricked into getting naked on skype, got blackmailed for money, they had my Facebook friends list, I don't use Facebook anymore

>>56068766
Ah yes, 1999 was a great year. glad to see some still celebrate it. you've missed on some quite amazing milestones during this time. Tell me: does your horse break down quite as much as a car? buggies are very sturdy I hear. Do you make wood stoves?

Something also tells me you don't work much if you think that's work. sad.

>>56068769
Ads can be sketchy. I agree. I worked for a site that utilized these features you listed actually. Bought traffic, bought emails, bought clicks to trick people. But we actually offered people a decent service. One of the top in the niche industry. I still use that service to this day when I need to repurchase in that industry if only to compare.

On your second point, you contradict yourself. If Google didn't know what everyone was searching, you could not even "decide what I would like to find". How would you call you dolt, you wouldn't even be able to find the phone number. Unless you exclusively use the yellow pages for calling services and forming your opinion. You and mr.1999 would get along great.

Where's a good start to privacy? I have Windows 10 which I know has 0 privacy, but I download Ultimate Windows Tweaker and turned off all of the privacy concerns. I have my iPhone jailbroken with a few privacy tweaks, but I doubt that blocks everything. Am I secure enough?

>>56068856
Post pictures

>>56068852
I can't really put it in specific terms, but a muon is similar to an electron, but has a somewhat higher mass. When it interacts with an atom it typically causes it to emit xrays (similar to how photons are absorbed and re-emitted at a lower frequency).

>>56066974
Most people on 4chan are millenials, and by strawpoll numbers half of /g/ uses linux.
It's not that far gone, but for people who only use facebook they will probably never really care.

>>56068848
information theory says otherwise. any byte of data has a maximum amount of usefulness that can be extracted, but has a low limit to it's domain. Many datasets in research are already at the 99% threshold for usefulness. This isn't moore's law, there's some serious theory about limitations of usefulness for all current known methods of analysis. Trust me till Euler comes back nothing novel can overcome this, only bring it to 99.9%.

If you think what you're shopping for is as important as your bank account info you're an idiot.

>>56068788
Yeah, but you are just a tiny cog in a huge machine. You wake up, you go work for "the man", then you go back to bed. You opinion, while interesting and appreciated, is so extremely limited, that it should only be taken as a mere anecdote, and not as a definitive answer, nor explanation for what is, and what might be.

I do not intend to belittle you. I am just pointing out reality.

>>56068883
>emit xray
Actually, I might be completely wrong about that. I know the end result is ionization but I don't know the means.

Probably be better to ask someone else about that.

>>56068863
>resorting to baseless insults

I have a job, and work doesn't have to be hard to be valuable, as evidenced by the entire adverising industry making billions off of people's data.

It's funny how advertisers like you get frustrated when you realize I don't play your games, and I'm not a sucker making you money.

>>56068863
>Tell me: does your horse break down quite as much as a car? buggies are very sturdy I hear.
appeal to novelty will get you nowhere. Just because X used to be common, but now Y is common, does not imply X is better than Y.

>But we actually offered people a decent service.
it boggles my mind that you can think showing people ads is a service that is useful to them. If I want to buy something, I will, as I said, call you. If I haven't visited a web store, or searched for "where can I buy X", then what makes you think I would appreciate being bombarded with buy-me junk?

>>56068864
you aren't even close. Start with your web browser.

>>56068948
But you will install Windows 10, right? :)

>>56068864
Get off Windows 10 and switch to a user friendly Linux distro. If you can't tolerate that go to Windows 7/8.1 without tracking updates. Install a router that filters unwanted traffic to and from privacy-infringing entities. If your iPhone jailbroken on iOS 9.3.3? If not you are missing quite a lot of security updates. From there change your hosts, get a vpn, and minimize your footprint on the internet. Or drop your iPhone for an android that get its rom changed to replicant.

https://prism-break.org/en/

>>56068737
>People always assume that their government will be benevolent
This, why do people think this
My country was a dictatorship not even 30 years ago, people got arrested and tortured without trial for having an opinion

>>56068666
What is bad that if anyone does something in your area (friend,family member) that you will be spied on.
Whats even worse that you can't control your own data ( digital ID, work, e-mails, calls, school information, banking details, and more )
And you have to sign up everywhere to do shit and then suddenly a hack happend and database got pwnd and company will just say "we are so sorry" and you can't do anything about it because you NEED to sign up for certain services to do shit in life ( not talking about social media )

>>56068969
*Y is better than X, dammit.

Well, the statement is still true either way around, since the opposite is appeal to tradition. The old-style web wasn't good just because it's old and old stuff is better than new stuff.

But it had important advantages that we surrendered in the rush to active content and advertising everywhere. It was simpler, and more participatory instead of a company-offers-consumer-product environment. And importantly, nobody kept records of who I was or where I went. On the internet, nobody knew I was a dog.

It's worth giving up today's clickbait trash to get that back.

>>56068933
yeah, belittlement not taken. I've worked in this industry for 6 years now from spam to fortune 50. seen the dirty and the clean. I read about what the other cogs do and I know many cogs. So much like a mechanic, I know how the car works, and even made my own car once. Talking in this machine metaphor implies someone actually designed it in it's entirety. Mostly lots of small local designs that go into the biggest of machines make the difference, "the cogs". I don't believe there is "the man" just a few men, bleed blood just like me. I digress.

>>56068948
hardly baseless when you said you don't use javascript. Make enough money w/o you, so I'm not worried about you, I assume you make your life difficult enough with all the hoops you jump through. The party welcomes you any time.

>being this much of a slave of society
I always love to block everything and deny these companies any money.

>>56068993
What's bad about iPhones?

>>56069081
>>56068863
Was ment for this

>>56068933
>The individual is supposed to be weak. But far from powerless -- a single person has the potential to ruin the world. - JD AI

>>56068969
>>56069012
you point out my logical fallacy I'll point out yours of having rose colored glasses on the past. It's always been shit and will continue to be shit. I have no opinion on buggies vs cars, but I know the web+javascript is objectively better than raw html

Ads are a service by the fact that they are idea generation service. CTR is important but there is a much larger importance for being "out there". We don't just do historical, we do predictive which is why when you're not in a closing position ads are still present to you "bombarded with buy-me junk".

the informed consumer of the modern era has been built on the back of ads. Ads are how many here even are giving suggestions, but mostly through subliminal reinforcement that your choice in product defines who you are. We wouldn't be the same with no ads. Better worse, who's to say doesn't matter to me

>>56068932
>any byte of data has a maximum amount of usefulness that can be extracted, but has a low limit to it's domain
The domain of figuring out what makes people tick doesn't need to be very complex.

You seriously lack imagination. I understand you've worked very hard and you've been given a nice stake in society for your efforts, but think about the repercussions my friend. Don't be a mindless drone just because you can benefit from it.

>>56069081
don't worry, you're usage data is useful enough to suggest better ads to people who don't have it turned off. Thank you for browsing.

Assuming you should have rights from technology you're borrowing anyways.

The notion that the Internet is yours to do with as you please and no one should be able to see what you do with it is hilarious. You're basically paying to borrow it from someone else, and that person is the government. Pretending you're a special snowflake who has a leg up on normies because you don't have a Facebook account is a bit delusional. You might be an anon here, but that doesn't mean that big brother can't watch you as he sees fit, because you're basically playing in his back yard.

I just recently deleted my FB. Are my all comments and pictures and stuff really gone and deleted, or just "unlisted"?

>>56069181
Unlisted

>>56068993
Linux, while being user friendly, have a plethora of security vulnerabilities. You can't fully block the telemetry on Windows 7/8.1. Using a custom ROM foes not get rid of data tracking on Android, especially when you have location tracking chips embedded within the hardware. Everything you mentioned are placebos for the paranoid.

>>56069147
>The domain of figuring out what makes people tick doesn't need to be very complex.
HA sound like me when I first entered the industry. Domain is far more focused than "what makes people tick". And even then it's much more difficult then you think. very naive.

Repercussions? You mean my patents and papers are bringing society backwards? net-net I see more value than drag. Drone? Silly, silly. You only have one time, so cut your place out. it's not cookie cutter, it's innovative to do it well.

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>>56068245
>There was a brief technoutopian delusion
>tfw when I believe the free sharing we had on the internet was the first steps into a human society with not need for money

Instead of becoming an utopia it became a dystopia

>>56069146
>>the informed consumer of the modern era has been built on the back of ads.
That was true a hundred years ago when ads concentrated on facts. What the product is, what it does, why it does it better than other products, why it's a good value. Ads don't bother with that these days. They appeal to emotion. Have you ever seen a Coke or Pepsi ad that is anything more than "something vaguely positive happens, then someone drinks the soda"? How many supplement ads do you see saying it "supports" this and that, with no data or evidence and a warning in tiny print that these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA? How many car ads talk about mileage and reliability as opposed to just showing beautiful people driving the car?

Advertising has been an active enemy of the informed consumer for many years now.

>>56069181
Most companies never delete anything when you close an account. Because they can keep it and you have no way to check that they got rid of it, you just have to take their word for it.

>>56069173
If he can see everything, why are there still pedos on Tor? Why haven't they all been busted? Why haven't all the terrorists been killed yet, if the government can see everything that happens online and read everyone's communications?

>>56069272
OK, I will admit, it's not an easy problem to solve, but is indeed a solvable problem. What happens when that day comes? What makes you think it is not the intention of the government and large tech corporations to solve this problem? I believe good can from this but there is also a danger to it. We should not be so trusting.

Anyways, I'm glad I had this discussion with you, it's given me a lot to think about. I appreciate it. I must go now, good day to you.

>>56068666
Post your name,surname and address now and with proof.

>>56069093
Can't look at source code entirely. You can decrypt the files that make up the OS using Apple-generated keys. But these keys can only be gained off the device if it has root access (jailbreak). From there you just decompile them in Ida pro for arm/arm64 architecture. However you will get pseudo code which may get you back to source code. And that's only if they didn't strip the file when compiling. I am not expert on this but I have been playing around in hopper (a decompiler for Linux and Mac) from information on jailbreaking on YouTube and the jailbreak subreddit. Been spending most of my time comparing differences between iBoots in various iPhone firmwares in the hopes of getting close to an iBoot (bootloader) exploit that ih8sn0w, a jailbreaker dev, found back in Feb 2014 but still hasn't been patched. Unfortunately I am having to learn assembly at the same time.

Back to the point since it takes all this effort to get information on how an idevice runs, then you can't entirely trust it to be safe. So you go with open source roms of android just because of the fewer hurdles and ability for any random person to check on their own. Although it should be noted that out for the big three I see apple as the lesser evil however their hubris does cause them to neglect checking their software throughly before release. Which why they have shifted to open betas, bug bounties and a decrypted kernel for iOS 10.

I do use an iPhone 5 btw, and would shift to other platforms but I am a poor and lazy grad student. And I have already invested too much money into iTunes since I got my first iPod in '05.

>>56069321
Why? Are you providing me with a free email service with 100% uptime?

>>56069321
What is your Privacy Policy when it comes to data retention and use? Can I please read it first?

>>56069333
no I'm just going to mail you ads

after all I have a right to make money off the content I've posted in this thread that you're reading.

>>56069292
you're an idiot. The FDA exists because of the snake oil "hundred years ago ads concentrated on facts" were actually junk and bunk. Nothing had changed, but you now can actually research and compare informed by ads. It's been revolutionary.

>>56069350
That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me.

>>56069352
So since the ads can no longer contain falsehoods, they avoid stating anything at all that could be shown true or false.

>>56069333
>>56069337
What's so bad about 4chan having your info?

Post it, nothing to hide right? Are you a pedo?

>>56066974
>millennials
Do you think shitting on a group everybody shits on lends your more credibility? Are you implying that older tech illiterate users are any better? Intentionally forgetting that older generations push the botnet while an even older one helps with the legislation?

>>56069371
Why should I give you my personal info for nothing in return? When I give my personal information to Google they are offering services in return.

>>56069360
well gee, it's almost like you wouldn't want to give people your information just so they can send you junk mail.

>>56069318
if you read this, it's not solvable. period. current theory says the day will never come.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapnik%E2%80%93Chervonenkis_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-completeness

that's why I don't care. take care.

>>56069352
The FDA is a revolving door for industry and exists solely to provide false comfort to needlessly medicated consumers.

>>56069388
I'm building a database of 4chan posters in order to make better generals target to them, cmon post it.

>>56069265
Better than doing nothing. Although at this point in their life it would appear to be unusual to have a such sudden switch in behavior. Which if I were at an information gathering entity I would implement something to closely scrutinize individuals who try to "fall" off the grid.

Why don't you suggest some uncompromised hardware for the anon then?

>>56068580
You don;t have to do shit. Ironically, that spastic you're replying to is a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Unless you're standing next to the antenna of a TV mast or in front of a radiating microwave dish, you're going to be fine.

>>56069365
no, nothing has changed. but the mode of delivery has lead to the most informed consumers of the industrial revolution. ads add value.

>>56069395
of for sure it does now. I was speaking of it's noble origination

>>56068344
>Do you want your parents know about the shemale porn that you wank off to?
That's a pretty stupid example. You'd want your girlfriend to know your fetishes, so you can both try them, and if the botnet knows your porn likes, it won't show you BBC porn if it knows that you browse /pol/, so you're going to have a more enjoyable wank.

>>56069421
Hearing a hundred companies screaming "Buy our shit, it's good!" makes consumers more informed how?

I mean, after all, the only reason brands exist at all is because they're effective at making consumers less informed. They cause people to take a mental shortcut and buy something they recognize, even if the price is higher or the quality is lower or their need for the product isn't pressing. Duping consumers like that is the way a brand creates pricing power - if that didn't work, there wouldn't be any brands, certainly not any with billion-dollar ad budgets.

>>56069365
This anon has a point. Several research entities leave out data they deem "undesirable" and stretch the limits of statistical analysis.

Case in point for anti-depressants and their effect on the nervous system is a contraindicative of how stable synapses are supposed to function. They induce false homeostasis that the body continually tries to outdo. Which is why gene editing is becoming more and more the likely candidate for achieving the desired corrections we have for defects in the body. And gene editing has become a very real reality with CRISPR.

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Fuck your Millennial meme. It's been like this forever, you fucktard. This has been long due ever since America shit the bed with rudimentary computer literacy.

The majority of people are technologically illiterate morons, and when they become diaper-filling geriatrics, they're technologically illiterate fossils pushing legislation, thus making way for a new generation of idiots just like them.

People who can tell the difference between an operating system and "a PC," a computer and a CPU, are very few, regardless of age.

>lost millennials to the botnet

You contrarian piece of shit, you lost everybody to the botnet. They never cared. They never valued their privacy. They were never more technologically literate. It's always been about convenience and profit.

>>56069450
Not him, but what is wrong with searching for exactly what I feel like that day, without being given "suggestions" based on extensive logging from previous days/months/years? Are you so incapable of searching now, that you need someone else to hold your hand?

Also, if Google knows that you take it in the pooper from older men from Craigslist, while your deeply Christian parents are oblivious, then are you trusting a corporation more, than your parents? Seems like you have something to hide...

>>56069463
>Hearing a hundred companies screaming "Buy our shit, it's good!" makes consumers more informed how?
Yes the information deluge has allowed people to tune their own personal ranking criteria in a way never offered before in humanities existence. I believe increasing this information deluge is net-net good. It has resulted in some amazing technologies directly and indirectly.

To your second point, the research doesn't show consumers getting dumber, but smarter. Also big brands exist because of economies of scale not because they stomp on tinfoil hats.

>>56066974
Poor people get into prostitution because they're desperate. We need affordable libre hardware.

>>56069514
From someone who has written a search engine: you are that incompetent. You need your hand held.

You trust the corporation because you want to find hot old dick for your pooper. very few parents are good at accomplishing this task, and usual results in incest and crime.

>>56069517
>Also big brands exist because of economies of scale not because they stomp on tinfoil hats.
You can have the economy of scale without the brand. The same huge factory in India makes the ibuprofen, regardless of whether it goes into Tylenol or generic capsules. The only difference is that the generic costs less, since it doesn't need a marketing department. And yet consumers continue to buy Tylenol despite the fact that they could get the exact same product for less money, and its right there on the shelf next to the branded medication.

That sounds like consumers being less informed to me. The existence of a brand and its advertising is making them worse off.

>>56069568
As a chronic pain patient, I buy alleeve over ibuprofen because I huff that shit down so fast I am at risk for ulcers and stomach bleeding. Liquid gels of brand name are definitely better, albeit overpriced. Sorry, that example hits home.

But the generics still exist because there's a big market, so I don't see your point at all.....

>>56069517
The information deluge is win-lost honestly.

Getting to have what you want is great, but sometimes it's great when you don't, because you try a new thing and find out you love it!

>>56069514
You're using a search engine because you need somebody to hold your hand already, otherwise you'd just go to the shit you want directly. If it helps you to find whatever you want based on an analysis of your needs faster, it's doing a great job and saving you time (and your boner)

>Also, if Google knows that you take it in the pooper from older men from Craigslist, while your deeply Christian parents are oblivious, then are you trusting a corporation more, than your parents?
Different parties get different information. If I like to suck off old black hobos, the only parties who need to know it are the old black hobos and a Craigslist algorithm to help me find them faster. Just like your girlfriend needs to know that you're into anal, while your parents don't need this information.

>>56066974
Tbh I don't care I've got nothing to hide you filthy pedo, desu I think Google's services are the most useful if their kind. Do people like you suffer paranoid schizophrenia or are you just looking for illegal content? It can only be these two reasons. Also why do you care so much what other people do?

>>56069548
>very few parents are good at accomplishing this task, and usual results in incest and crime.
Are you by any chance British?

>>56069610
I bet you read the newspaper and think it's just dandy when you find a swell potpourri.

It's fairly easy to turn off and have your romantic "adventure" to the restaurant down the street not on yelp, but tech addition makes it hard on some.

>>56066974
https://www.yahoo.com/news/generation-z-born-digital-age-160347762.html

lol

'millennial' here. It's not that I want to be data mined, just seems like an inevitability instead of an obstacle now. I try not to think about it too much.

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>>56069517
It's an arms race anon; consumers are getting smarter because marketers are getting slyer. From the dumbs ads of yesteryear of "buy this camera you fagit, bitches love cameras" to the "make memories and share joy" and logos-vertising of today. I can see the use in what you're doing, but all that behavioral nudging is toxic. The pursuit of stuff can never be fulfilling, and I do not mean it in a commie nor a hippie way. Wealth is power, but not if you're sinking it all in inconsequential consumer products

>>56069758
if history of war shows one thing for sure: arms races create large economic gains. And that's what I do, provide value, to profiteers, myself and consumers. Meh, I find myself more the hedonist, and don't mind. I agree that buying things doesn't fix things, but it definitely boost economic output and advances society.

If you know youre being spied on just dont do anything stupid on those services

Give me your worst case scenario with botnet
Then reread your shitpost and tell me its realistic

>>56069892
LMAO. this should be the response to around 1/2 the comments. savage

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>>56069842
I hope you are right anon, if only to reach the consumerist version of mutually assured destruction, permanently increasing feedback loops are not known for their stability. No societal system no matter how succesful is eternal, but if something will put us on Mars, it is a larger global economy. However, as a profiteer, you must agree that that economy is better stimulated with other people's money, if it can be helped, and not one's own.

>>56069892
In 2028 you run for a mayor of a city. Your noble platform is to eliminate overspending by government officials, and instead use the money saved for public works, such as schools, roads, and homeless shelters. Other government officials want to keep their unlimited spending accounts. They dig up your old Tweet from 2012 saying "Heil Hitler! LOL!"

Long story short, you withdraw your name from the ballot, and never show your face in public again.

Oh wait. You running for anything important ever! Haha, yup, I just re-read it. You're right. I am a moron. Clean up in Aisle 5, Anon! Grab a mop!

>>56066974
>am 25
>don't give a fuck about the botnet
>my life is convenient
>my name is Sonny

Meh.

>>56068196
what comes after Z? AA?

>>56069980
>permanently increasing feedback loops are not known for their stability.
well that's the definition for humanity so I hope you're wrong :)

and isn't that last sentiment true of humans. as long as it's them and not me :P

>>56070006
So everyone on /g/ is scared about botnet ruining their political career

>>56069272
>You mean my patents and papers are bringing society backwards?
What society? The western society is gone. All these marvels" and "technology" will be obliterated in the name of Allah in less than 10 years.

>>56070123
haha. at least I made a quick buck while I could

>>56070006
Hailing Hitler is a pretty stupid thing to do on social media with any age. I am not sure if I'd wanted a mentally deficient mayor.

Besides dumb shit doesn't have to be carrier suicide. Do you think Trump would have half of his attention if he took the effort to make his comments sound sane?

>>56070146
That won't matter when you will be beheaded/bombed/shot.

>>56070162
won't matter either when I'm an old man who didn't die of those hyperbolic things. But it was fun while however short it lasted in either case.

>>56069504
>It's always been about convenience and profit.
This isn't a bad thing :^)

>>56070177
Half a million of Amerifats die EVERY YEAR due medical errors, most of it caused by tired doctors and barely anybody gives any fucks.

Sandniggers need to step their game up massively to become a relevant danger. So far they aren't even on level of lightning strikes.

>>56070232
go back to /pol/ you're not contributing to the discussion.

>>56070232
Vending machines kill more people in Murica than the boogeymen do. Why isn't there a war on vending machines??

Speaking of data mining and selling addresses for ads, I literally receive at least 5-10 junk mails a day in my mailbox, and I only moved here 6 months ago. I don't even use facebook, instagram, snapchat or any of that other normalfag garbage.

How the fuck did these faggots get my address and name so easily, when I don't even use social media?

>>56070269
Good fucking question. I am tired of these fuckers stealing my money.

there are people here who honestly believe data mining is somehow "bad" but:

- have insurance
- visit a physician or other medical professional
- trade securities

all of these things and many many many many more lead into processes that mine data for *your* good. there are certainly good examples of unethical data harvesting, but don't be so naive as to think the field is categorically "bad".

>>56066974
i'm fine with using google services or facebook etc.

Really it comes down too how much data do you choose to give them? Nothing is stopping you about lieing about your data to use their services.

>>56070232
In Yurop we are averaging 2 terror attacks per week. And it's not bombings, it's mostly just them running people over with cars or attacking people with a machete in crowded places.

Amerifats always lag behind a year or so. Just wait for 2017.

>>56070071
AA ron

>>56067069
>i have nothing to hide :^)
it never gets old!

>>56070006
>being able to harvest more information (and in this case, very willingly "supplied" by the creator) about a situation is a bad thing
i'm glad to live in a time knowing i will be able to reasonably check in on the digital history of public figures, potential colleagues, and other people around me. if you don't want to broadcast your ideas on the web, so be it (and it's actually probably the smarter move), but the rest of us aren't delusion sheep just because we use them.

>>56069329
But aren't open source alternatives filled with security vulnerabilities? It's like having to choose from the lesser of two evils.

>>56070155
>>56070324
Either with Shillary or God emperor Trump, 2017 is going to be an interesting year.

>click all the proper buttons
>captcha gives you green check mark
>click post
>you seem to have mistyped the captcha

THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU SAY IT WAS CORRECT WITH A GREEN CHECKMARK IN THE FIRST PLACE!
FUCK YOU GOOGLE.

>>56070385
That's because of the lesser quality programmers that are in such fields (pays less). Or is just because such security vulnerabilities are only more visible with open source, when closed source could have the same amount?

I'm gonna say both

>>56070324
>it's mostly just them running people over with cars
Happened ONCE as a terrorist attack ... unless you consider grannies doing it as terrorists too.

>attacking people with a machete in crowded places
That method didn't even kill 10 people this year, and even if we count everybody injured as dead, statistically the number is still ridiculously irrelevant, specially if spread around on 400 millions Yuropoors.

Murica got 40-50 daily murders on the average and Yuropoors are still far away from that even if 2016 keeps being a bang.

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>>56069413
>Why don't you suggest some
Say no more.

>>56070387
That shit started to happen to me too recently. Feels bad, specially after the captchas where you have to wait for pics to appear.

>>56070423
>Happened ONCE as a terrorist attack
4 times actually. That's in my country only.
The ones with 1-2 killed aren't being reported internationally.

>That method didn't even kill 10 people this year
Killed 8 just in my country in the last couple of months.

>>56069892
The worst case scenario for me is that the US government decides to start enforcing its obscenity/lolicon laws (yes they exist) and locks me up for all my Pokemon hentai. Or they decide to lock up anyone who looks at terrorist websites. (This is an actual suggestion Newt Gingrich made and totally something that Trump would do.) Or they let the MAFIAA take a look at the NSA's data and sue the shit out of anyone who pirates. Or they use the information to punish even more nonviolent drug offenders. There are a lot of worst case scenarios. You shouldn't have so much trust in the government.

>>56067537
this is autistic, even for 4chan.

>>56070311
You may be lying, but your contacts won't be. Facebook/Google will use your contacts to learn more about you - the real you. Thanks, mom!

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>>56066974
>lost
the botnet has rid us of them

>>56068102
>Why do you care if we take your guns, its not like the government will ever turn tyrannical
We have no interest in your guns. What we want to do is be able to slap dickheads on the wrist (or worse) when they are immature and irresponsible with their guns. There's a huge difference between owning an electronically locked AR-15 and a .3 magnum in an old tin "gun box". We want people who choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights to not be total idiots.

>>56070412
>>56069329
I see. Thanks for the informative replies. I'm new to this so forgive me for the dumb questions. I pretty much tapped out of the whole 'run from the botnet' game that /g/ scares most people into when I heard radio antennaes can be used to track. It became pointless and tedious when this entire time I was running away from essentially nothing,
Too much stress into the cat and mouse routine of privacy measures when there is always an unpatched hole somewhere. Fuck it. I really don't care anymore.

>>56070431
>Using the equivalent of a pager in the current year

>>56068192
>Most just don't care.
It's not that we don't care. It's that we feel that the utility earned by communicating on a globalized social network is more significant than not being social online because a government body *might* take a look.

The other issue is that the internet, in itself, is centralized to a degree. Once we get pure P2P internet connections without this server bullshit, our habits will switch. But the tech isn't there yet.

>>56068240
A quick Google search would have instantly revealed this. :^)

>>56070445
>The ones with 1-2 killed aren't being reported internationally.
Well, it's pretty whack effort. There are basic traffic accidents with more deaths. Wanting to spread terror and killing 1-2 guys when having a car is just pathetic.

>Killed 8 just in my country in the last couple of months.
Well, no idea which your country is but if I recall it right Germany and UK had 1 death each, with 10-15 people injured. France quite a bit more but let's even say there were 1000, spread on population of hundreds of millions, it's nothing and close to lightning strikes.

>>56070448
>Or they let the MAFIAA take a look at the NSA's data and sue the shit out of anyone who pirates.
This one sounds pretty unlikely, pirates are just too big of a group. People into lollis aren't viewed very positively by society, so it could happen. Same with terrorist websites due paranoia.

Not sure about non violent drug offenders ... I am having a slight hope that now when pretty much all experts and data suggesting that the war on drugs is retarded, there might be a push in the right direction, perhaps it's being naive though.

>>56070448
That would be such a waste of their money and time to throw you in jail. It gets really fucking expensive to go draconian with enforcement of laws. Too many people would end up in jail and that would end up hurting the economy.

Just kick the illegals and those who depress wages out of the country. America is not the life raft to save everyone in the world from drowning.

>>56070474
Most gun owners I talked to don't seem opposed to it either. It's seems that just the small, vocal and brain dead NRA minority that goes crazy over anything containing the words "regulation" and "control"

>>56070562
Go make a thread about "Smart guns" on /k/ and prepare for the anal re-sizing they'll give you about why it's an idea pushed by people who have no idea what they're doing.
You're the equivalent of the french trying to ban encryption for "safety."

>>56070542
>Germany and UK had 1 death each
Germany. 1 killed a pregnant woman, 1 attacked people in a train, 2 attacked people randomly on the street, 1 attacked people in a club.
Of course all of them are totally insane and totally not terrorists.

>>56067405
>born 85
>fiddling with DOS configs to get games to work with sound
>dialup as a kid and teen. got all excited over 56k
>browser games were basically fancy spreadsheets which you had to tend to once a day
>trading svcds in school
>first filesharing networks emerge
>LAN parties were more convenient than trying to get games to work over the internet

>google didn't exist
>digg and myspace didn't exist
>facebook and twitter weren't merely non-existent, even their ancestors were not created yet

I don't know how people can think growing up during that time makes you computer illiterate.

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>>56070387
use it.

>>56070542
The problem with fighting for freedom and privacy is that you end up fighting for the freedom and privacy of criminals. Some of which are sick fucks that deserve life in prison. It's a shame that the rest of the good samaritans that only want privacy for their financial accounts, identity info, and personal secrets are grouped in with those of criminal intent. People own curtains and use locks on their doors for good reason. The problem with looking into find criminals means looking into those who are innocent and law abiding. It's a problem that is a cause of dealing in absolutes.

>>56070307
the question is whether it's properly anonymized or not. anonomizing is hard. and in some cases it goes against their interests (targeted advertising) to do it right.

>>56070474
The thing is that you cannot deny someone their right granted by the 2nd Amendment without lessening the right provided by the other Amendments. All of them are meant to reinforce each other and give power to the individual. To pick and choose which laws to ignore is an abuse of the system you claim to support.

Here's a solution and one that is actually found within Article V of the Constitution. Ratify an amendment to eliminate the usage of firearms. Do that instead of being a pussy and cheating the system with the executive and judicial branches. Which were never designed to have much power because of the fewer amount individuals that comprise them.

It's not a problem if you're mindful of the presence you leave on the internet and how that information can be used to manipulate you. Nobody is forcing you to hit the search bar, nobody is forcing you to share a picture.

This is all done to provide an (arguably) better experience and is something that shouldn't affect you if you again have a vague idea of how it works and how the data can be used.

I'm ok with Facebook knowing what shows I watch, the videogames I play, the public friends I have, where I live and work and where I'm going on vacation. I take an active role in sharing what I'm comfortable with.

>>56070586
Ah, the others probably had no other injured victims hence it wasn't reported as widely. Only recall the train guy.

>Of course all of them are totally insane and totally not terrorists.
Well, it's not easy to draw the line. Even if they were motivated by ISIS speeches, would they act they way they did if they weren't mentally damaged? Knife attacks aren't a very effective method and managing to kill in low single digits with a car is just embarrassing and doesn't speak well for the cognitive capacity of the person doing it.

Real terrorism requires bit more planning.

>>56070635
Well, it boils down to the balance of freedom vs safety, but given the rather low success of NSA data mining in preventing crime and even finding criminals after it's commited, while more focused methods that are also more considerate to privacy are more effective; it doesn't sound that hard to find the balance assuming there is a will to.

Besides some of the suggestions like banning encryption are simply not viable in the real world.

>>56067513
Hey so can I have the transcripts of the therapy you and your wife/parents/kids go to and post them on pastebin?

>>56066974
>Have we lost millennials to The Botnet for good?
this is where you are wrong my hirsute-jowled friend, the millenials were born into the botnet, we merely adapted it.

>>56066974
The millennial generation has a lower computer literacy than generation X. It has to do with everything being easily accessible and never having to troubleshoot.

>>56068427
>why do you think you're important enough to be interesting?
One wouldn't know they're interesting until it's too late. Punishment for thought crime is swift and unexpected.

>>56070757
>Real terrorism requires bit more planning.

That IS the real terrorism.

You do realize that the point of terrorism is to instill terror? Being randomly stabbed on your way to work is pretty scary familam, it works.

>>56071523
>never having to troubleshoot
I fucking wish, still have to deal with shit every now and then.

>>56071523
Thanks Applel

>>56066974
How do i escape google? i like to watch vids on youtube.

>>56071685
youtube-dl them through tor.

>>56066974
What the fuck is millennials?
Is that those retarded people who refer to people born in the 1980-2000?

I mean a stupid rich cunt named a generation which then was classed as being lazy.
This was then shamed by old cunts who had never used a computer.

Next time you say millennials I do suggest you fuck off and die. I am not a named generations because a rich cunt named us that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ

>>56071716
tor is botnet nowadays though

>>56071751
oh so you're an idiot too? just stick with google, you deserve it

>>56071751
Botnets wah wah wah.

If they make my life more easier and functional then it makes me earn more promotions at my job.

>Inb4 employed cuck wanting to earn my money working
Yeah, people can be employed and want to earn more.

>>56071765
Isn't tor heavily surveilled by the NSA?

>>56071790
I'm employed you dumb motherfucker.

>>56071564
>replies to one of my few smack comments
>ignores all other arguments in thread
we're decades off from that. wouldn't guarantee this course leads to that.

>>56071841
You may be employed but you sure are one of those dumb retards who cry over using a server/client architecture.

Always makes me laugh.

>>56068948
>I have a job
>I'm not a sucker making you money.
>instead I'm making some other jew money

>>56070350
I chuckled

>>56067969
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a pedo in 2016.

>>56066974
The thing is, it isn't a problem until it is. And then it's too late. Millennials don't think very far ahead and can't envision themselves in the not only plausible but likely scenarios where it will bite them in the ass.

>>56070505
>The other issue is that the internet, in itself, is centralized to a degree. Once we get pure P2P internet connections without this server bullshit, our habits will switch. But the tech isn't there yet.
And it never will be.

If you seriously think these large corporations and governments are going to allow the internet to move to decentralization you're deluding yourself

Every school age children should be made to watch "das Leben der anderen" and write an essay on it.

It may fail in the human element and characters but the dystopian society of mass information collecting it establishes is striking and poignant. It's not even a hyperbolic strawman what if scenario to drive home a point, it actually happened and could happen again, so long as you don't value your privacy

>>56066974
It is only fun if you poison the well.

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>>56068200
>>56070474

hey faggots
eat lead
guns are the great equalizer

>>56071726
it's like race, divide and conquer

>>56066974
I was fine with the bot net until fucking police started showing up at my work place whenever i went on weed based forums or looked at furry porn

>>56071726
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/millennials-outraged-over-tv-show-portraying-millennials-as-outraged-a7184771.html

>>56073149
how many rapes turned into murders though?

>>56073186
didn't happen

people think 1984 can still happen. it was a dumb book not real life. Just fucking live your life stop worrying about conspiracies that don't exist. Nobody thinks about you as much as you think they do.

>>56073218
>1984
If the only thing you got from 1984 was extremely intrusive mass surveillance, you didn't get the point of the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe64p-QzhNE

>>56073229
I'm not going to watch a fucking youtube video about a book I've read what kind of fucking retard does that. Fucking hell.

>>56068388
Don't post shit like that here anon, these are the kinds of people who want to take your snake from you.

>>56066974

This faggot is why /g/ is a shitbord. Anyone who has something real to hide will do it just fine... For rest of the humanity government can make the biggest database of masturbation habits in universe...

Jesus faggots. If you are on 4chan you are most likely of no value already.

>>56073244
You didn't get the point of the book

The point of 1984 is not authoritarian and mass surveillance, that's just the backdrop. The entire point of the book is the deceptive and manipulative use of language.

>>56067513
>you're a criminal for wanting to have a personal and a private life instead of being a sheep

>>56073211
About three fiddy

>>56073304
all these websites have privacy options. And facebook servers have never been hacked. So I don't see why you guys hate it. 1 billion people are on it what makes you so special.

>>56066974
Listen OP I'm a straight white man. I've never been persecuted and I don't care if Google knows that.

It realistically does not affect me at all. So I don't mind, because I don't notice.

>>56073218
No dude, i stopped looking at furry porn and browsing the not safe for work forums on the chans because fucking cops started coming up to the front desk and started asking me where i live, who my parents are, why i work here, and the whole time he was looking me up and down with his hands on his cuffs

I know that's just how cops act but it has only happened there times and they were the three times i fucked around on \x\ \b\ \gif\ and 420 Chan while at work

Your words give me courage but I'm fucking afraid too

>>56066974
>millennials

more like 99% of people, regardless of age

>>56073466
>No dude, i stopped looking at furry porn and browsing the not safe for work forums on the chans because fucking cops started coming up to the front desk and started asking me where i live, who my parents are, why i work here,
Correlation does not imply causation

>and the whole time he was looking me up and down with his hands on his cuffs
That's just your head tricking you desu.

>>56073466
lol fucking murica. Also, I think that's coincidence if it did happen and even so those places were not social media sites.

It isn't what we fear that controls us; it's our happiness. Our gratification and asperations control us. It's the advertisers that control those gratifications and asperations when you put yourself in their hands. Our downfall will be our own comfort and fun.

>>56073320
>a shit ton of people are doing it, that has to mean it's a right thing to do

Not to go all /pol/ or whatever but it's similar with gun rights in the US.
>But the government would easily kill off the population
But the soldiers who fight for them would probably not enjoy slaughtering citizens. That is what they'd have to do if the citizens are armed. Hence they retain a state that controls them with moderation.

Now I don't think that's a good political solution but that's the story.

It has analogies in privacy as well but instead of death you face imprisonment or social ostracism. But it's harder to argue this point because nobody will admit to being a freak.
All you can do is take their information and show them that the state has more and is using it in more problematic ways.

>>56073466
>I know that's just how cops act
That's not how a cop should act. That'd be harassment here.

>>56068200
>Nobody is actually out to grab anyone's guns.
when will people stop saying this when they have to look for 5 minutes to learn that they actually do

>>56073478
>>56073481

Thank you both.

>>56067069
>If you try to explain why data mining is a bad thing, you'll see that your arguments are equally retarded

Only if you put forward retarded arguments in the first place.

Data mining in itself may not be bad but the way it is done surreptitiously and without honest regulation and the unfettered access the government of big corporation can do. Sure they can bury a little footnote in their EULAs or fair use agreements but they do this knowing no-one will read them being however many hundred of paragraphs long again being purposefully obstructive.

http://fusion.net/story/334603/sex-toy-we-vibe-privacy/
> This sex toy tells the manufacturer every time you use it

Reminder that Millennials use Windows unironically

>>56073704
Data mining initially was to help people find what they're looking for, but those were not people observing and judging you for what they observed

It was computers matching up strings of letters that were usually put in a row, and picture files that were usually attached to those letters

No observer, no judgement, just unbiased data being passed

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Op is just the kind of person that would hate me for liking die antwoord

>>56068196
>If you say Gen Y and Gen Z, people know exactly whom you're talking about.
They... Do?

I assume I'm Gen "Y" but I really don't watch enough daytime television or talk shows to know these stupid terms.

>>56067069

>the media needs terrorism fodder to report, so they invent a suspicious browsing history and use it to incriminate a random, but convenient individual.

wat do?

All Millenials born between the 80's and 90's in the West have pretty much grown hating Puritanism (and Liberalism and Femnazism are their own extensions of religious Puritanism with their own bullshit excuses to delude themselves into feeling good about their thought policing idiocy). They are also the "nerd loser" generation in terms of tech before being a "nerd" became a "trendy" thing. So i don't see those as lost.
Those born after the 90's in the West, i don't know how they are.
But i know that the generation born in the early 90's here in the 'East', especially among Slav nations, are in a lot of cases very anti-puritan, and still treat technology as a Wild West and love it that way. We fucking hate Marxist shit and the way political correctness was twisted and used to misconstrue us under that retarded rule, so we are at an edge there. We treat retarded parts of liberalism (feminism, LGBT, etc.) the same way you treat conservative rednecks in USA.

>>56073898
>liberalism is bad
Stop making shit up.

>>56073919
Religion is also liberalism. Turns out religion and ideology are just two different words for the same fundamentalist shit and same shitty end-result when a bunch of people organize into a jerkoff competition.
>let me teach you how to be moral and ethical, and chaste, according to my own rules
>you are a sexist (heretic) misogynist (blasphemer) pig (unbeliever/kafir) if you don't live in a pure manner according to my rules
Horseshoe Theory.
The same conservative Christians trying to ban porn in your shitty states are supported by feminists. Surprise surprise.

Listen man, you cant do anything against it, if the goverment really wants info on you they hack your pc or waterboard you for it

>>56073968
American liberalism is not liberalism

Would you like to spend your life in a work camp because you got drunk once in public?
Or die of hunger because you got ill and noone wants an ill worker slave?

Fucking faggot

Everyone who doesn't want or like it is forced into either compliance or silence by the legion of shittery that is the normie establishment
take for some examples the aggressive douchebaggery of systemd, windows 10, and universities that automatically register your name to every garbage website they can think of
what the fuck is an asshole born in the 90s like me supposed to do about any of that? complain on /g/ like everyone else?

>>56074027
It is liberalism, taken to the extreme and twisted. What? You think that because you like how a fucking word sounds that it is infallible in your mind and can't exist in the forms you don't like it to exist in? That's precisely the kind of shit i'm talking about.
No matter how good something sounds or how good an idea is, it can be driven into retardation and still be within the definition. That's the fucking folly of blindly believing in ideology much like religiousfags stick to religion.
Same shit, semantic difference.

>>56073968
Actually religion is conservative
>following the same set of rules without wanting to hear about changing it, even if it makes sense
Liberalism = giving new ideas to people to attempt to change the society for the better, trying out if things work or not, allowing people to speak their mind without being attacked by the society
Conservatism = preventing the creation of new ideas and sticking to the old laws and rules because of fear they'll change for the worse, preventing people from being individuals and making them tools

Religion doesn't give new ideas, it's stuck in it's old backward ways. True liberalism isn't really what feminists are yelling about, and doesn't necessarily mean you should agree on every single idiotic idea.

As long as they're not extreme, both conservatism and liberalism can work. Usually liberals would invent better ways of doing things (most scientists are/were liberals) and conservatives would make sure people don't do too many drastic changes which would destroy the society (majority of politicians, people in military).

Since this is /g/;
Most Linux distros = extreme liberalism
Android = liberalism
Windows = conservatism
Any Apple OS = extreme conservatism
Windows 10 = police state

>>56074206
Nope. Religions and LIberalism are both conservative when you treat them like mantras, like guidelines that you believe in.
On the other hand, if you treat religions and socio-political ideologies as !!!tools!!! that are inherently imperfect in the hands of humans, then you are talking about "allowing people to speak their mind without being attacked by society".
Hence my whole speech about puritanism. Puritanism is applying something absolutely, whether it be religion or ideology like liberalism, they both want to "set your free" in their own cancerous ways when taken for granted.
Treat them like impure tools however, and there may yet come out something that's good, in all cases.

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>>56071831
Isn't everything?

>>56074096
Everything in usa is the retarded version of what its supposed to be

Liberalism, religion, socialism, social justice etc

>>56068665

Nigger you need a phone for work

I just saw this thread. The usual post where an anon asks another anon who is against privacy to give him all of his passwords might have already been posted.

But.

Consider this. The anon who's asking for your password can be a fucking australian in the middle of the boonies, or a worst korean, or hell, even your neighbour. Knowing the usual /g/ users, they'd probably have a malicious intent and not keep their promise of not doing anything but watching.

However, a big company like Google has very defined rules it has to follow. One trespass and it will be a very big PR trouble.

>>56074388
name one instance where that resulted in PR trouble instead of the company playing victim
sony drops account information on pretty much a yearly basis and people still give them cc#s all the time

>>56074206
Apple is more like jailed in police state.

Well, only 10% of the internet uses adblock and ghostery/ social blockers so from that we can conclude 90% of people are braindead.

You are an idiot if you think data mining started with computers. You are tracked, numbered and owned the moment you're born. This started long before computers were even a thing.

While I won't share my info on social media willingly, I don't care enough to make my life harder by not using windows, Google etc. It's just a huge waste of time when you really think about it

>>56066974
new headlines are
>Wikileaks is Getting Scarier than the NSA
They need to be burned at the stake.

>>56067124
Fuck off /pol/, that isn't related in any sense to datamining and mass surveillance.

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>>56075326
Yes this anon is right. Computers only made it easier to process the data.
Processing and storage are still limiting factors hindering the advent of the George Orwell botner.

What if I like Windows 10 and the service Microsoft provides me? I doubt they will ever care about what I do.

OP, you talk about millenials. My dad was born in 1949 and the other day he was talking about surveillance with a clerk at some store. He said exactly the same stupid bullshit about "if you don't do anything wrong you shouldn't worry about it". He doesn't know there's a dictatorship in germany.

There's many services that people opt in because they are attractive. It is attractive for someone to do a task in 10 seconds that he would otherwise do in 30. It's attractive for someone to be able to speak to the 30 people he knows with ease, instantly and without wasting much data or having to teach anyone how to use some program. It is attractive to have exclusive access to fairly powerful software.

As someone who travels on a weekly basis, Google Now's power to organize all that shit is a fucking godsend. My boss's secretary just forwards me all the emails and Google does the rest. It notifies me when to check in, if a flight is delayed, when I should leave to arrive on time, and where my hotel is, reservation number, and a button to get an Uber when I arrive.

I know this is really niche for most people, but if I were to throw a number on it, Google Now probably saves me 3-4 hours a week worth of menial tasks, which means that's 4 hours more of sleep on my already sleep-deprived schedule.

>>56077982
What they don't care about today, they will tomorrow.

>>56078283
Botnets aside, aren't you worried about being dependent on Google or whoever to organize your life for you just for the reason that if the technology ever fails to work for any reason, you'll suddenly find yourself not knowing what to do without it?

Friend of mine took a road trip and then broke his phone in the middle of it and learned a little bit too late that he didn't know how to get anywhere without GPS telling him what to do.

>>56078331
I think I'm overly dependant on GPS. I think a lot of people are; I have little to no navigational sense anymore and just do whatever Google Maps tells me to do, for better or for worse.

In many ways, though, technology's ability to organize my life is no different than technology as a whole. So many people are dependant on so many things that if they were to disappear, many would suddenly find themselves unable to cope with daily tasks.

If Google wants to handle my travel organization, by all means, that is not shit I'd like to trudge through. If Clara, my company's AI email scheduling system, wants to handle my meetings and stuff, by all means, that is not shit I'd like to trudge though.

We're a society overly reliant on technology and other social systems to maintain a quality of life. I don't think that'll ever change, and it's not necessarily something I worry about (aside from my inability to navigate without GPS).

>>56078317
I don't think so. Don't use social media since 2014, never commited a crime other than some torrenting, not a pedo, never got into deep web shit. Just the average NEET loser.

>>56066974
Answering your title- Yes. They have not been educated to build good enough context to know better, and it would take more time than they are worth in product value to educate them.

Data mining for statistics is fine, and helps businesses. Ideally. However there is no guarantee that the party you have submitted data to can secure, keep, and responsibly use the data for the purpose promised. Among many other reasons that are better suited their own wiki or blogpost.

>>56078416
>we have deep societal problems and I see evidence of this in my daily life
>but it'll never change cause that'd be really hard so I just don't worry about it lol XD

and we wonder why the world's going to shit.

>>56078643
That's not the point I was trying to make. It's the point that if technology wants to handle the menial, bullshit tasks in my life that I feel are a waste of my time, fine by me. So what if technology fails and now I need to organize my travel? If the tech fails that hard, I think we'll have to worry a lot more about survival from the incoming chinks and ruskies than when my next fucking flight is, or what street I should turn on.

>>56079056
>If the tech fails that hard, I think we'll have to worry a lot more about survival from the incoming chinks and ruskies
So you'll never be without internet access for any reason? You'll never be without a phone and a laptop? Google's engineers are perfect and will never fuck up handling your calendar, appointments, and everything that happens in your life that you let them manage? A solar flare will never knock out GPS over a large area? You'll never have a malware infection or identity theft that locks you out of all your accounts and deletes all your mail?

On a more theoretical level, it's okay for a large private corporation to be running your life at a fundamental level, and those of millions of other people? That's not any cause for concern because of the power it gives them over you? They could never act maliciously with that power, either on their own initiative or on the orders of a government? For that matter, you'll never want to switch to a different provider of anything for any reason? Making it difficult and inconvenient to switch away is how they make you a captive consumer with whom they can do with as they like.

And on a personal level, have you ever considered that you're subjugating important principles to everyday convenience? For that matter, have you considered that you're choosing to work at a job that requires all this travel and awful organization? Are you going to look back on your life in 40 years and be glad you spent so much time being sleepy on airplanes, in hired cars, and in hotel suites and conference rooms? Are you really content with living an entirely unexamined life?

>>56079326
I know this isn't the answer you want from me, but I got a lot more things to worry about than shit like that.

>>56079517
Maybe one day you'll change your mind.

also consider that people who do choose to worry about shit like that deserve a world where they're able to live in a manner other than you do.

>>56079550
You're entirely entitled to live that kind of life already, though. What is stopping you from not using Google or etc.? What is stopping you from stopping at a gas station, picking up a map of the USA, and using that to navigate?

You're still completely allowed to manage your travel via emails, or even phone calls to the airline, hotel, and cabbie.

Want to pay in cash? Sure, the only place that I know that doesn't take cash is being on an airplane and buying alcohol/food, and that's... I really don't know why but I chalk that up to safety.

Do I believe your quality of life will be the same as someone who embraces this technology? No, I don't, and that's simply the nature of advances: you're entitled to using the more archaic methods, but the entire purpose of advancement is to make things easier.