/retro/ - retro, vintage, old computer thread

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>you will never own a noc

>>56053278
>you will never hack the Gibson

>>56053278
What the fuck was that guy even doing with all that shit? Were you in that thread?

what is a noc?

>>56053297
That's boner material right there

>>56053307
>portrait
k

>>56053303
Network operations center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_operations_center

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>>56053303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_operations_center

>>56053307
>pic related

How energy efficient are CRT displays?

Is there any way to stick a dual 500mhz card from a sawtooth/Gigabit Ethernet G4 into a G4 cube without dremeling out bits of the guide rails?

>>56053317
>>56053318

One second anon, ONE SECOND

>>56053307
Where do you mouse with that mouse? There's no surface available.

>>56053337
Good question

>>56053320
LOLOLOLOLOL!

>>56053320
As energy efficient as electron guns with flyback transformers.

>>56053278
I want pie now

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>>56053314
>showcased technologies mostly geared at desktop publishing like WYSIWYG document processing
>more optimal for text jobs in general
>made by a fucking printer company

>>56053318
I really want the shit out of an Apollo system the more I learn about them, they're very underappreciated.

I'm planning on getting a C64, what was that new memory card based floppy drive called?

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Met a guy who sold me a CRT for my Pentium build, also brought a 5-pin DIN keyboard and some other useful stuff for a nice price.

So, I finally have this thing up and running!

It's got Dos 6.22/Windows 3.11 installed, but not much else - I'm waiting on some 3.5" floppies and a USB-floppy drive so I can start transferring games and drivers over.

The PSU fan seems unusually loud (but it's not a bearing noise), so I may have to replace that.

All in all, I'm quite happy it works.

>>56054049
That's awesome! What are the specs?

Get a network card, it's much easier to transfer things that way!
Also you have a CD ROM, can't you write CD's for it?
Using floppies to transfer stuff is kind of annoying, specially for such a newer machine.

>>56054073
not him but the problem with CD-Rs is that it feels like it takes forever to get enough software to pack into one to make it really worthwhile

also not really sure how well networking would be on DOS/3.x, but it is pretty damn effortless on NT when it comes to file transfers.

>>56054098
>also not really sure how well networking would be on DOS/3.x, but it is pretty damn effortless on NT when it comes to file transfers.
It's really easy and useful, just get mTCP stack under DOS and start the FTP server, it's as easy as opening FileZilla on your PC and dragging files to your old computer, I used that with my 8088.
You could also just use Microsoft Network Client for DOS and mount remote shares as DOS drives, but the first one takes less hassle.

>>56054073
>What are the specs?
-Pentium I 166 MHz, pretty sure it's MMX
-24 MB 72 pin RAM
-S3 968 graphics card
-ESS ES186X sound card
-8 GB HDD

>Get a network card, it's much easier to transfer things that way!
Working on it, I'd still need a way to put drivers on it though.

>Also you have a CD ROM, can't you write CD's for it?
Nah, none of my modern computers have CD drives. I have enough patience to work with floppies for the time being, anyway.

>>56054098
I'll probably look at putting Windows 98SE on another partition (if that kind of thing is doable), or maybe a Linux distro that can share files through another partition?

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>>56054174
That's really nice, get Quake and Duke Nukem 3D on it!
I have Win95 right now on my 486DX4, it's booting straight into DOS with 4DOS shell, what I mainly use and to get to Windows just by running the Win command. Gonna upgrade to 98 soon, my RAM upgrade arrived yesterday, then I can use the PCMCIA WIFI card.

>>56054225
Noice.

I'll be putting Quake, Duke Nukem, DOOM, and System Shock on it to start with, along with whatever other games I can find that interest me.

My sister also brought back some of the CDs for games we used to play on my dad's Celeron computers - Croc 1 and 2, Marble Drop, and Age of Empires.

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>>56054267
Awesome! Have fun!

>>56053337
just on the side of the case

>>56054295
kek

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>>56053337
You use this innovative new thing called a desk

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"I'm sure any new RAM chips are old stock."

That's not a problem; you can adapt modern SRAM with a little hacking. Some guy on there even did it with a C64C.

>>56053031

Bad heads seem to be one of the more common failure modes on 1541 drives which is not surprising given the hard life they typically lead and it makes me glad for modern storage solutions like the SD2IEC.

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>>56053258
I do!
Checking in with my loved PDA loaded with microshit CE.

>>56056584
Specs:

OS: microsoft CE 2.0 (Clit edition)
RAM/flash: 16 MB of total memory in configuration 40% data and 60% RAM
No additional memory.
Processor: MIPS R4000

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What a gorgeous piece of hardware.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-pet-2001-series-8k-ram-mint-working-youtube-video-in-description-/222217839516?hash=item33bd37239c:g:lmcAAOSwV0RXrpJi

An Ebay seller who actually knows how to power on and test stuff?

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My wall of old fame.

RAM and Pentium are form an old server of mine, my first build ever, I was 7 or so and after finding some parts in my basement I managed to power up an amazing machine with 20 gigs of HDD, 64 mb RAM and 3 floppy slots

>>56057551
>3 floppy slots
When I was a kid I thought more floppy drives was always a good thing. That computer must've been a beast.

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>>56053327
You can desolder the inductor and mount it on the edge of the board

>>56057578
That feeling bro...
It was amazing, I could load Flight simulator WHILE writing a text on another floppy. I even had a floppy full of crap and useless files just to look more professional.

>>56053307
Is that a Rank/Xerox machine?

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One of these is going on ebay for $100 (or $200 buy it now) - is it possible to hook these up to a relatively new computer, or would I need to look at some serious internal modifications to get it working as a standalone computer?

>>56057690
You should work a lot on it, anon.

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>I love restoring old hardware, don't you?
nah, not anymore. stuff doesn't flip as fast as it used to and playing with old stuff gets tiresome really quick.

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56009941#p56010792

He forgot something else. Some DRAMs are not multiplexed. ;)

>>56057683
Yes.

>>56055589
>>56058827
With who are you talking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6jQVqkpjc8

Just watched this, now I'm tempted to try and find some vintage calculators to go alongside the vintage computer collection that I'm beginning to make.

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Is this the best retro looking headphone one can buy for cheap?

>>56059512
yes

>>56059512
no

>>56059512
maybe

>>56059512
I don't know

>>56059512
Can you repeat the question?

>>56059512
it depends

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I know this is more /vr/ tier shit, but I just finished mod chipping my original PlayStation, fucking small solder contacts...

>>56057690
Does it have a standard RS-232 interface?

>>56060548
>>56057690
I checked. Yes it is RS-232 and should work on any normal PC serial port. This was actually the keyboard and monitor for the Wang 2200 minicomputer, a machine primarily targeted at the business market.

The Soviet Union purchased several Wang 2200s for use in state planning agencies, but reluctance to depend on Western computer hardware led to them reverse engineering the computer and producing a clone known as Iskra 226. However, the Iskra had a number of differences and was not popular with Gosplan personnel, so the machines were instead used in other Soviet bureaus and agencies while Gosplan stayed with the original Wang 2200s.

>>56060673
>Wang Laboratories
Are they the ones who make those magic pills advertised everywhere that make your manhood grow?

>>56061003
No, that was Dong Laboratories.

>>56060673
So how exactly do these work, anyway?

Do you just connect it to a remote PC via a serial cable of some kind, which allows you to boot it and use it as a keyboard and monitor?

>>56061217
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal

>>56061217
>>56061234

No, it's like an Linux terminal window, but with it's own monitor and keyboard, connected to a PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zze_PIEio08

>>56057690
Wow, I absolutely love the look of it.

>>56060474
>fucking small solder contacts...
You clearly haven't seen the PS2 installs yet... ~26-29 wires on the smallest fucking points to solder. You may as well turn to atheism seeing that shit.

>>56059512
>retro looking headphone
It doesn't even have orange foam pads.

>>56061502
Well, a PS2 is 2000s metal...no shit the stuff will be smaller and all surface-mounted. This isn't a Colecovision here.

>>56061502
Yeah, I had a PS2 with a Matrix modchip, but it was not done by me, I would shoot myself before I'd do that.
But soldering wires to those little tombstone resistors on the PS was not fun, breath a little and you're fucked.

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Armada E500 anon here. I just finished installing 98SE,cleaning up the crap left from 2000,and customized it to my liking.

I installed some games as well:

Beetle Crazy Cup (2000?)
NFS 5:Porsche 2000 (EU release I guess,US had Porsche Unleashed) (2000)
Need For Speed II(1996)
Oddworld Abe's Oddysee (1997)
Carmageddon (1996-1998)

Planning to add some more,like Carmageddon 2,and other good shit.

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>>56061586

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>>56061638

>>56061671
I have no idea if the heat sink on the TMS 9918 is original factory. It probably isn't.

>>56061638
>>56061671
>so much processing power Saddam Hussein is hoarding them for his missile program
>that's why they're sold out everywhere

>>56061718
Saddam was hoarding Colecovisions?

>>56061591
>>56061586
I actually have done a PS1 slim install. Talk about anything but easy. I also have a chipped PS2 that I got for cheap (needed a new laser and new controller/memory card ports) and the first and only time I got to the motherboard I was near the point where I'd nope the fuck out of doing anything,yet I did the Romeo fix (it's a silver v9,thus Romeo fix required so laser coils don't burn out) and the PAL60 mod. (which I found out myself).

>>56061638
Looking at it,my guess is that's a v12/13 board. Still have one of these but I need a new laser,and I have to solder the fan to a USB port. Not sure if I should simply ditch the disc drive and just go for a USB HDD,or just fix up my broken 77004 v15.

BTW,have you worked on a Original Xbox HUEG? Those are by far the easiest system I've got to mod,and cost me next to nothing. (save for the cost of the console,which was cheap,and to top that it's a 2002 v1.0)

>>56061701
It is. Like most GPUs, the 9918 does get hot af and a heat sink is mandatory on those things.

>>56061718
>>56061761
Kek

>>56061761
Now you see why he had to be stopped.

>>56061762
Awesome, I gave my chipped PS2 away as a birthday gift, didn't really play the PS2 library much.
No, never even owned a original Xbox, I'm not that into consoles, most Xbox games had PC ports anyways.

>>56062367
Yeah,I got a Xbox and modded it just for fun. I still have it in working condition,though the controller is broken and I need to find a replacement one.

>>56062496
I have a few Xbox controllers but I modded them all to USB, they are really comfy.

>>56053258
Where do you get your comps from? I would love to get into this but don't really know where to start.

>>56062954
Local ad's, thrift stores, garage sales, recycling centers, asset disposals centers,
computer shops that sell refurbished computers might have some in the back,
ask in schools, also ask around friends or if they know who might have some.

Forums and eBay are usually mindlessly expensive because of collector and reseller faggots.

>>56062988
Awesome. Thanks!

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>>56053258
yes but getting them for free or under 10$€£ isnt that easy anymore :/

>>56063300
It isn't that easy then 10 years ago, but it's possible, things like Commodore 64's or XT clones for 3€ still happen.
There are also still people having shit in their basements they want to get rid off, it's just pure luck if you happen to meet one of them.

>>56061604
That's cool! Glad you got it working.

>>56059512
Nope.

>>56063300
Is that all you have?

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Apple //e Anon here.

In this pic, I'm using my Raspberry Pi and getty to allow terminal access through serial.

Here's the command if anybody has a similar setup (and a USB to DB25 converter):

sudo systemctl start serial- [email protected]

Then I fired up screenfetch and took this pic.

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>>56065024
>floppy disks directly on top of monitor
Don't do that.

>>56065098
Okay, just put them back in their case because of you.

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>>56065024
Kek
>this is now a speccy thread

>>56065024
The Pi has serial pins on the GPIO header too, does it not?

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>>56065098
Better?

>>56065709
I guess it does? I haven't done much with GPIO on the Pi yet. I just went the easy route by buying a USB to DB25 converter.

>>56065024
>>56065745
Aw, it's missing a key

>>56065796
Yeah. :(

It's the six key. I've actually tried to 3D-print it, but I never got it to work.

... You actually just reminded me that I need to get back to the person that uploaded that file on Thingiverse.

>>56057690
>wang

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How's your notebookshelf coming, /retro/?

Yeah, I know, only two of those should qualify as "retro".

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>>56065818

>>56065826
That's cool as fuck, Anon. Keep it up, I'd love to see what it looks like filled with retro specs.

>>56065826
At least you got a place for that Speccy.
Did you figure out what to do with the SDK and Speccy?

>implying I stack my notebooks on a shelf >>56054292

>>56057690
>Sup anon?
>Nothing much, just playing with my Wang.

>>56065860
Anon, great moves. Keep it up. Proud of you

>>56066057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APxndget9l4

>>56065024
What other cool stuff can that //e do?

>>56065854
kek

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>>56065826

Just fine

>WTB: Commodore 64

What's a good price to not get ripped off?

>>56066540
Well, I have a custom card in it (Uthernet II), and through that, I can actually browse the Internet! (Well, the HTTP parts, because it doesn't support HTTPS.)

I use a browser on a floppy disk called Contiki, which also can do IRC and run a Telnet server.

I also can make my Raspberry Pi emulate a modem, and that way I can connect to BBS!

>>56067208
Holy hell, that's neat.

>>56067242
That's very cool anon!

>>56067281
Thanks! I'm super happy to even have this thing. It was my cousin's, stayed in his attic for probably about 20 years, and he let me have it! Lo and behold, it actually works!

Random story: When I first booted it up, my dad and I were dumbfounded that it even worked. And it actually had some business related floppy disk already in there with some random dude's name and number. My dad calls it, and that dude picks up! It was a little bizarre watching him explain that we found his number on an Apple //e...

>>56067318
Bahahaha

>>56067217
I paid $50 for my first boxed 64, then I paid $60 for a lot of three breadboxes (one boxed), two 128Ds and accompanying 1541s

they aren't worth a ton, stick to under $70 and you'll be good

>>56067346
Thanks! It can use Amiga joysticks, right?
Also, loading programs and games with your phone as sound files is okay for the beginning?

>>56067208
Sexy

>>56067356
not sure, but I couldn't imagine they use different standards

>>56065826
>notebookshelf
Shit, now I'm definitely going to start adding old laptops to my list of things that need collecting.

>>56067356
>Thanks! It can use Amiga joysticks, right?
Amiga, C64 and Atari all used the same joystick.
In a pinch you can use a Sega Genesis controller, too. If memory serves, B is the fire button.

>>56067812
If it's like the Amiga, then you have to swap pin 5 and 7 on the Genesis controller.

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>>56065024
I'm curious now, is it possible to hook up an old terminal like this >>56057690 to a RasPi board and use it for stuff like home automation, weather monitoring, etc?

I've been thinking mad thoughts about building a small bomb shelter for a while, and using that Wang terminal to control its systems would be so very Fallout.

Can you install a Superdrive Floppy drive into an original Macintosh SE? The Superdrive is from an SE/30 that's trashed.

>>56068103
Yes, it's possible, those terminals use serial, RasPi has serial on it's GPIO header.

>>56068160
Try and find out?

>>56068179
Awesome. Is there some kind of industry standard I/O code I can use? I've honestly never touched this kind of stuff before, I wouldn't know how hard it is for an amateur to do.

>>56068202
Depends on the terminal, some user RJ45/RJ11, some use 25-pin RS-232, etc.
Once you have the terminal you can find out it's pinout and then make a cable for it.

>>56067208
Awesome!

>>56057551
wat

>>56057578
>When I was a kid I thought more floppy drives was always a good thing. That computer must've been a beast.

But that's true, it was great having 2 or more floppy drives, you could load the OS from one and software from the other, didn't even need to change floppies! Great times.

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Has anyone gutted an old laptop and replaced the innards with faster/newer?

I love old laptop aesthetics but I need to do "computations" as well

>>56068727
its not usually possible to do that. theres nothing like atx for laptops. every model has a different board

>>56068103
I'm sure you could. If it has a DB-25 port on the back or something similar, you could just get a USB converter (which is what I'm using).

Or you could just straight-up use the GPIO serial pins.

Good luck!

This stuff seems really cool and I'm interested in collecting some of this old technology.
Where are some places I could get really old computers and other electronics from? Also, are they generally expensive or cheap?

>>56068896
Ebay and Craigslist are probably the 2 best sites for getting old computer stuff. Ebay even has a vintage computing section!

Craigslist I haven't tried yet, but I hear a lot of people get their stuff from there.

As for price, it totally depends on what you're getting. Do you know what computer you're interested in?

>>56067208
Unrelated to software but what do you use for lighting? I'm assuming LED strips glued to the back of the shelves?

>>56068935
I'm not sure for anything specific, I just saw this thread and though it seemed like a fun hobby to do on the side.
I'll do some research and try to find cheap old pieces of tech on eBay and Craigslist, since I don't have a lot of expendable income currently.
Thanks for the advice anon.

>>56068727
Ask around in the thinkpad general thread, I see them talking about upgrading older thinkpads with newer hardware from time to time.

>>56068979
No problem! Always good to get more people in /retro/.

And retrocomputing is a really fun hobby to do on the side! Whenever I have free time, I like to chill and see what I can do with my Apple //e.

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Oh shit, just looked around and found a pile of these listed. Should I go pick one up tomorrow, /retro/?

>>56067812
NO. Not a good idea. You'll fry the CIA and fuck up the keyboard.
Source: I tried this

>>56069219
Woah, that's pretty sick. What's the pricetag?

>>56069231
Hence "in a pinch".

>>56068896
See
>>56062988

At least read the thread

>>56068935
>eBay
Jewbay does not have anything great, full of collectors and resellers, they will make someone dislike retro computers very quickly.

>>56069219
Where did you find those beauties?

>>56069231
>>56069256
See
>>56067828

That's how you do it properly without frying your CIA.

>>56069408
Really? I mean, I've bought stuff that I've needed from there. They generally have what you're looking for.

But I agree that scalpers are the cancer of the Earth.

>>56068935
If you're in a pinch sure. But you'll get fucked while you're at it.
I recommend joining a community or forum of people who trade in the equipment you're looking for.

It's how I got my Amiga 1200 and the accelerator for it

>>56069441
Parts, expansions, accessories, peripherals.
Those are usually in an alright price range (Not usually, mostly people overprice expansions, etc).
But there are a lot of things that are 3-4x the usual price, some have huge buy now price to scam people to bid higher.

>>56069452
Nice. Do you know of a good retrocomputing forum to do this?

The only Apple-centric one I can think of is Applefritter, and I've never seen that used for buying/trading.

>>56069459
I agree with this. I've never bought a full computer from Ebay, and I don't plan on it.

>>56068160
I doubt it. Not without at least swapping the Rom

>>56069452
How much was the 1200?
I know Amiga enthusiasts sell their computers for amazing prices, those prices have doubled, tripled, in the past few years already.

>>56069493
I can't quite exactly recall. I want to say about 60 to 80 bucks for an NTSC one

>>56069511
That's a good price then, I have seen them go for 300 bucks nowadays.

>>56069247
>>56069423
Free, craigslist. They'll be in a recycling center on monday if not taken.

>>56069566
Good luck!

>>56069470
I bought some junk back in 2009 before the scalpers went hellofamonkey.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Working-Apple-II-2-plus-computer-disk-1-2-monitor-III-/252486011556?hash=item3ac956caa4:g:2pcAAOSwtnpXoPDs

This is a perfectly fair price although the shipping would hurt you.

>>56069603
>23h
>2 bids
That will go way higher, trust me.

>>56069603
Like I said in a previous thread, an Apple II+ is kinda useless since a stock machine can't use a lot of the later hardware and software from the IIe era and they're not so reliable due to the huge chip count on the PCB and 4116 RAM.

>>56069830
It's ok for gaming though which is what 90% of retro computer fags care about. I'm pretty sure if you have a RAM expander card to bump it to 64k that you can run just about any games that don't use DHGR mode. Sure, you can't run late versions of AppleWorks on 3.5" floppies but hey, who cares, right?

>>56069881
Even so, there's truckloads of IIes around which run all that shit and older Apple II stuff (very occasionally an older program or peripheral will fail to work on the IIe) and they're more reliable.

Are there any good DHGR games you'd miss out on by having a II+?

>>56069915
One thing to watch for is that IIes very often had Micron 4164 RAM in it which were usually complete shit and it's common to have one or more fail. Apple bought crateloads of that shit because it was cheaper than RAM from a big name manufacturer like NEC or TI.

>>56069830
When something does break in a II+, it's easier to replace though since the thing has entirely off the shelf components while the IIe has a couple of VLSIs to reduce chip count.

>>56069915
One thing that doesn't sometimes work is II+ software designed for an 80 column display because there were several II+ 80 col cards which all worked slightly differently while a IIe has only one method of implementing it.

>>56069603
Apparently the original owner and it looks like he didn't play any games with the thing, at least the included software doesn't seem to indicate such.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-IIe-Computer-Monitor-2-disc-drives-programs-manuals-more/172294823768?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37470%26meid%3Dc7cb06a6c8de4cd4b8e1eeda40969f23%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D252486011556

"Apple IIe Computer and Monitor from original owner. Purchased in 1983. Both Computer and Monitor power up successfully. No other guarantees."

Wait, why do you only show a blank green screen on the thing? That doesn't seem normal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-II-Model-A2S1048/302035737593?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37470%26meid%3D5d702295adf540d18f4b4c3bbb8f5eda%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D252486011556

You can't plug it into a TV to test it?

>>56069994
Mostly but one thing that could give you trouble is a bad keyboard encoder chip since the IC used (SMC KR3600-070) hasn't been made since 1985-ish and it's hard to even find the things.

>>56070108
Peepeel are dumb.

>>56069219
Nice!

>>56070083
I don't trust that.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COMMODORE-PET-mod-2001-8-first-plug-and-play-Personal-Computer-from-1977-/252492076185?hash=item3ac9b35499:g:9gsAAOSw-itXp6dj

Most likely the problem with this is the 6550 SRAMs which were horrendously unreliable.

>>56069390
That post was a response to me you fucking idiot.

>>56068758
as long as you could find one the right size, you could just slot a tablet in where the screen was, then fill the rest of the space up with batteries and ssds.

What are some good terminal programs for XT/AT era PCs?