Why does AMD take so long between leaps?

Orders of magnitude less R&D money means they can't afford to have more than one thing at once.
It takes about 7 years to develop a processor, and intel are developing 7 new processors at once more or less.
AMD can barely afford one

Intel rejects goes to amd

>>56043341
>It takes about 7 years to develop a processor

4-5 max

>>56043325
AMDrones like to claim that it's because they support the budget-minded consumer that they don't change sockets, but that's just a byproduct of their lack of competitiveness.

>>56043366
We're talking about AMD here
They develop a processor, release it, then release a fix 2 years later.

>be me
>old h77 mobo breaks
>search for replacement
>only shady secondhand models
y live

>>56043359
This. Also ATi lost lots of talent to nvidia.

>>56043325
Because AMD actually makes improvements when they "leap".

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>>56043982
Bulldozer was a great improvement.

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>>56043325
Because AMD is a dying company.

They are running out of money fast, and will likely be gone in about 4 years when it's all gone.

>>56043325
They don't have the same funds as Intel.

>>56043325
why can't I spen 1 hour in fucking /g/ without runnind iunto an intell shilling thread?

>>56043325
partly because they're not jews.

Intel changes two pins and says "buy another motherboard faggot you don't have a choice", there's seriously no fucking excuse for it as far as I know

however, it's clear that they've been ignoring the desktop x86 market since ~2012 or so in order to focus on Zen. it makes no sense for them to keep releasing inferior products

so it's safe to say that AM3+ and all its chipsets are dead as fuck and you shouldn't spend money on them

>>56044040
>ignores the whole market
amd supply many low end sectors and nvidia does super compute
gpus are one aspect and the emergence of crypto currency has caused more damage than the quality of the gpus.

They wasted so much on stupid APUs that no one wanted instead of updating AM3 and servers.

>>56044280
Fucking this, this was a dark period, everyone focusing on tablets and APUs, glad it's over.

Can't wait for Zen APUs to launch with 2+ TFLOPS.

You stupid faggots are going to want them in your gaming PC for faster frame rates.

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>>56043325
>amd zen has as expected on broadwell/haswell IPC
INTEL FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH


Actually all I wanted to do is post this webm.

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>>56043325
> amd

Remember how the 480 was going to beat a 980?
Kek
And now Zen is going to beat ivy bridge

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on you, fool me thrice, I'm a fucking moron, fool me quarternice, I'm an AMD fanboy

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>>56045772
>wanting anything AMD

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>>56046107
>Remember how the 480 was going to beat a 980?
That was hype from idiots here.
>And now Zen is going to beat ivy bridge
That's slightly more realistic but I'll wait for actual benchmarks before commenting on performance.

>>56046394
AMD just always fails to deliver

>>56043325
Intel has a 1000% larger R&D budget

>>56046107
they never said that, and it is faster than a 980 in some DX12/Vulkan titles

>>56046107
There was a engineering sample leak of the Zen and it lost by a i7 4790k and barely passed the i5 4670k. You have to admit that AMD is going to be gone in four years

>>56048275
>only one game out of the four that's worth playing that has vulken
you can't be serious here

>>56048288
Engineering samples are SAMPLES. They're a proof of the underlying concepts. They're typically not clocked the same, you don't know about the motherboard or memory used, and there doesn't exist an OS with proper kernel support yet.

Shush yourself.

>>56048275
Yeah, but only if you have $500 CPU. Use something older and it will lose to GTX970.

because it's a fucking socket

could you imagine the fucking disaster if the average American socket became obsolete?

The only real reason for constantly changing sockets is to grab more money from you goyim

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>>56048288
A 6700k loses to a 4790k as well kek

Funny how the stock market thinks AMD is the shit right now. And g thinks AMD will be out of business shortly.

>>56048288
clocked at 2.8ghz familia

>>56044280
APUs are really good value at the extreme bottom end of a new PC budget. Other than that I'm not sure there's a purpose.

>>56043325
Why does /g/ want a company to go out of business?

>>56043325
Because it's a dying company.

>>56049056
never listen to anyone on 4chan when they say something about business

>>56048321
That shows the hardware is actually better, though, doesn't it? If everyone supported it just as well, wouldn't it be the better GPU?

>>56043388
Yes, because there's so much real difference between the 1150, 1155, and 1156 sockets that there's no way Intel could have made them cross compatible.

>>56049552
i'd love it if amd thrived and came up with competitive products to push technology further, but now they just suck ass (except for maybe the poorfag segments) and i dislike their management, lisa su and raja or what's his name can't even get along, rumors are that raja is actively working against amd and is trying to get the graphics division bought up by intel

>>56048288
Yes, a 2.8GHz engineering sample of Zen beat an overclocked 4670k in a benchmark. Taking into account that Skylake gave virtually no performance improvement over Haswell, an underclocked engineering sample of AMD's new processor matches or beats an overclocked Sklyake i5. Eat shit.

>>56044040
>Only compares AMD to NVidia
>>>/v/
AMD manufacturers CPUs in addition to GPUs. Even if they fucked up the next release they would still be selling CPUs.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/233453-amd-zen-benchmarks-leak-point-to-potent-performance-against-intel-huge-gains-over-piledriver

Engineering samples usually suck donkey dick, this applies to Intel just as much as any other company.

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>>56044006
I love my Bulldozer. It was cheap and for 5 years it has delivered quality processing.

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>>56044040
Just because they are losing desktop market share doesn't mean they are in a bad business position.

Nvidia earns roughly $6b annually. AMD earns roughly $7b annually. Wanna know why??? Consoles?... Absolutely. AMD isn't going out of business anytime soon. AMD will be bought out before their end. Samsung, IBM, and Microsoft are already eyeing AMD.

Just to rustle Nvidifag's jimmies more I just bought a 1060. I would of bought a RX490 or newer Fury refresh but it looks like Global Foundries 14nm process isn't perfect even though on paper the rx480 should of been able to reach over 1.5ghz on the core.

AMD should bite the bullet and subcontract TSMC, Samsung, or invest in skhynix for manufacturing. Global Foundries can't compete with the likes of Samsung yet alone Intel.

tl;dr
>AMD is cucked

>>56050083
>Nvidia earns roughly $6b annually. AMD earns roughly $7b annually.

That's not even close to true. Have you even
looked at their financial statements.

Nvidia last year revenue 5b

AMD last year revenue 4b


But much more importantly, let's look at net income.

Nvidia net income: 614 million

AMD net income: NEGATIVE 660 MILLION

AMD is bleeding money, they are in deep deep shit right now.

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>>56049854
The problem is the silicone process. Global Foundries' 14nm LPP FinFet yields sub par clocking performance compared to Intel's 14nn FinFet.

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>>56050176
Lines can be drawn and cash flows can be expanded. They aren't in "deep shit" they are in a slump. They still rack in overhead of $4-7b. The point is AMD is a major and import x86 player. The next gen consoles and vr will push for cheaper gpu and cpu combos and amd sweeps the floor against intel graphics.

>>56043325
>new socket per year is considered good thing now
/g/ is dead. AMD actually outlive /g/

>>56050788
nothing wrong with new sockets, you're supposed to get a high-end cpu and keep it for some years anyway, and then you upgrade your entire pc not just the cpu

>>56044096
Congrats anon you win the "I have no idea wtf I'm talking about" award. Btw next two gens of Intel processors are using same socket, shocking I know.

>>56050901

see
>>56043440

Great until your mobo dies and even though your cpu is still decent enough your choices on new mobos is limited since the market is now 2-3 sockets ahead all of the sudden.

>>56049768
If anything it shows that cherry picked benchmarks and favouring GPUs still exists same way Nvidia's gayworks made cards like 290x run 20 fps behind 770.

>>56050901
>this is okay now

>>56050348
>Consoles

The fact that you praise your company for supporting an outdated concept with outdated hardware which holds back optimisation and graphical fidelity on PC just makes me sad.

>>56043325
well i use intel but i guess i would like to see major performance improvements on the haswell/skylake jump , not just added ddr4 support and changed socket.
I feel like those are the same cpus with added ddr4 support and newer manufacturing process. Why that needs a new socket is beyond me.

>>56050288
>comparing cpu and gpu
nvidia designs have always be more clock centric after thermi.

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>>56051050
>yfw you realize I literally just bought a 1060

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>>56051122
You do realize the rx series uses the LPP 14nm process the same process Summit Ridge is gonna use?

>>56043391
>They develop a processor, release it, then release a fix 2 years later.

If they were Intel, then they'd respin it 1 year later, shrink it 2 years later, respin it again 3 years later, then fix it 4 years later with the next shrink.

And you'd require a new motherboard for all of those, with performance only increasing 7% on average per generation.

>>56051050
>hold back optimization* and graphical fidelity

Anon you do realize that it's because of optimization on consoles that the devs can push the hardware to its absolute limits, right? Take the PS3 for example, we got a game Called the last of us that runs amazing, and looks fantastic, all on a cell cpu because the developers were familiar with what they could work with.

>>56043325
Almost no money for R&D

>>56050348
AMD is has been losing BILLIONS over the last few years.

NEGATIVE BILLIONS

They will literally run completely out of money in about 3 years.

tick tock nigga

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>>56051346
Stfu with this FUD.

>>56051364
It's literally true, look at their financials

>>56049056
The stock markets opinion doesn't matter, nintendo was just valued higher than sony.

>>56050288
"Problem" is that since maxwell nvidia implemented tiled rasterization, like mobile GPUs, in order to improve efficiency and shader utilization...so they can compete with better GPU in a lot of scenarios despite having less flops.

>>56050348
>vr
stop buying into this like its going to matter.

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>>56051419
I did. Just because you see red doesn't mean they are out of business Dumbo.

You seem young and naïve about the corporate world. They still have a healthy $4b-7b (latest projection - current future's projection) of annual cash flow. If their cash flow dropped off the stock would drop to pennies because the company will have an extremely poor total evaluation, causing a bid war for the corporate assets.

The more you know.

>>56051581
murriburger stocks are overvalued because of memers like you

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>>56051653
Guess economic majors are memers but I always though that title belonged to the marketers.

>>56051708
i've got +25,0% YTD and +45,0% 1Y (these are my actual numbers even though they look made up because of how rounded they are), what have you got 6,9% YTD 4,7% 1Y S&P lol

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>>56049783
No reason to do so.

>>56050060
Eng samples don't suck, they are just the same shit you get off the store shelf with the exception that they are not supported after launch and the users beat them to shit trying to break them.
Unless you're dealing with a microcode testing sample, which may have crippling bugs.

>>56052211
during development they tend to underclock them just to make sure they don't fuck it up since they're kinda precious at that stage

>>56050288
AMD is stuck with GF
It's also like first gen 14nm, it'll prove with time like what happened from the 200 series to the 300 series

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>>56053844
Theres nothing wrong with it to begin with.
Electrostatics are absurdly superior in every metric vs 28nm HPP which all previous gen GPUs were using, and AMD's Carrizo uses.
Carrizo has absolutely no problem hitting clocks north of 3.5ghz, the X4 845 has a stock turbo of 3.8ghz.

Summit Ridge is an 8 core part with a 95w TDP going up against the likes of Haswell-E which is an 8 core part with a 140w TDP, and each of them clock in a similar range. If anyone thinks this is indicative of the process inherently limiting clocks then they're either completely ignorant on the matter, or they're a fanboy shill trying to push an agenda.

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>>56052160
No reason not to, either.

>>56044006
It had a substantial improvement in parallel tasks compared to the Phenom II 1060T

>>56050964
Intel traditionally changed sockets every year, where do you think the "a socket change every year keeps the goyim in fear" comes from?
AMD didn't release anything after Piledriver in the enthusiast/server market to focus on Zen and save money, since anything wouldn't compete well enough with Intel

>>56044280
APU's are the only thing were they compete well against Intel, and even lead them

>>56051141
You realise GCN has a quite short pipeline that has never clocked high?