/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Why do Linus and Richard hate each other?

>>56022078
just richie hates linus

>>56021923
What was said in the thread that has you doubting Debian? I found it to be mostly full of bullshit anecdotes and memes.

>HE FUCKING BOUGHT THE MACBOOK
HE payed for HIS computer and they go rootkit his ass up.
>HE
These things happen all the time in all first world countries. It's like insanely immoral to do that, hell even just allowing this to happen around u without realizing how bad it is is immoral too. Where's the justice? Like HOW the FUCK is this even remotely okay..... FUUUUUUUUK ME LAD
The linux era is ACTUALLY never going to happen, at least at this rate.

What's with the Debian shills? Debian really is outdated and offers very little compared to other distros.

>>56022045
Please please help me. My Desktop running fedora recently just had a power issue (my household had a black out) now when I boot into fedora it just shows the terminal. Doesn't matter what kernel it boots from its always booting ti terminal.

Please help

>>56022332
I've been wondering this too. I've never used it so I can't really claim to have a problem with it but I fail to see why it's so beloved compared to the other distributions. I can't comprehend wanting to use outdated kernel packages.

If they specified that they were shilling Testing or Sid I'd be alright with it.

And this last part is just me being autistic, but why the fuck do they name their distribution after toy story characters? It really pisses me off.

is mint really -that- bad?

>>56022350
What do the rolling release versions of Debian have over other rolling release distributions, though?

>>56022346
Try reinstalling your desktop environment (or better, install KDE regardless of which one you were using).

You may also need to reinstall your display manager. Then it's just a simple matter of executing startx.

>>56022379
No idea. Brand identity, I guess.

Maybe better support? Debian is more popular than Gentoo or Arch.

>>56022346
Any additional info beyond "it boots to the terminal"? Does it get past the boot loader? What does the terminal show? Can you enter commands and view your files?

>>56022346
>>56022350
>why all the Debian shilling
Because it's the most popular and reliable distro (probably thanks to Ubuntu), minus all the Ubuntu bloat, and plus the care for muh freedom.

>>56022379
Nothing. People like to wave the flag for their team, even if the odds are against them. Same for Linux distros.

>>56022403
>Nothing. People like to wave the flag for their team, even if the odds are against them. Same for Linux distros.

Yeah, I guess. I'm just trying to figure out the advantages of Debian over something else. If it really is superior I want to know why so I can consider using it.

why is dhcpcd a slow piece of shit? It severely slows down my boot time

>>56022388
>>56022403
It boots into rescue mode.

I cant install new environments because it says update cache has a problem or something g

I still don't really understand fonts.

I'm installing firefox in Arch and pacman is asking me which ttf-font package I want to install and I have like 10 options.

ttf-dejavu? ttf-oxygen? something else?

>>56022507
Ahhhh.

You might need to reinstall. I'll freely admit I've never dealt with this particular issue before. Google is your friend.

You could boot into a liveCD and chroot into your system and try to repair it from there. Reinstall some packages, run an update, execute dnf clear all. It's possible your install simply got fucked but I can't really imagine why that would happen.

>>56022528
ok wtf

Why is Arch installing Wayland shit when I just want Firefox?

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>>56022453
Rolling-release/bleeding-edge distros are constantly changing from the upstream, so they're inevitably going to be unstable, and users are more likely to experience bugs.

Most of these distros have a short testing period (or "cooling time") to make sure things aren't completely broken before being released to the primary users. For example, Debian has an "experimental" section for these sorts of things (pic related), so that Unstable/Sid users don't have to be concerned with crazy huge issues.

>>56022546
Would memtest do anything to fix it?

I know how to g3et all my files back - it's just I have re-installed Fedora twice this month and I'm getting sick of Fedora now

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>>56022622
...I know an alternative that starts with d

>>56022649
I think I k ow what you're talking about, is it

Definitely not Debian?

>>56022622
I'll be 100% honest - I was never clear on what memtest did. I though it tested the RAM.

> have reinstalled twice this month

You may want to consider a different distribution. Or it's possible there's something wrong with your computer, but I'd recommend you try, say, Kubuntu or Korora on for size and see how those work out for you.

Might I ask why you had to reinstall the last two times?

>>56022688
2 days ago due to laptop not being able to create documents with one charachter in it.
Computer had 20gb of free data left. Yet still wasn't working.

About a week ago cause my Desktop kept saying an error has occurred on all 4 kernels after Fedora 24 update

Is poobuntu the only option for a laptop? It's the only distro where the keybindings and hardware all werk without having to pull some hacky shit.

>Arch is still on Linux 4.6

Where's muh bleeding edge software?

>>56023048
What feature does Linux 4.6 have besides a higher number?

>>56023022
fedora, absolutely

>>56023092
Tumbleweed is on Linux 4.7

Arch isn't bleeding enough.

>>56023099
Seconded. I run Fedora 24 on my laptop and I am immensely satisfied.

>>56023092
Security patches, better hardware support, general improvements. Not every new release carries some dramatic, big change.

>>56022688
>>56022346
I found out someone having the same problem as me. But the guide the dude posts on this requires you to use the fedora Gui to download drivers?

What's /g/'s recommended method of cloning (or rather, moving via cloning then deleting) several partitions to another drive? I've got a dual-boot Linux/Windows setup that I'm planning to split into two separate drives. Should I use cp, rsync, dd, or something else to move my home, usr, etc. partitions onto the new drive? I'm only moving the Linux partitions. Boot is on an SSD so I don't need to worry about reinstalling the MBR, I don't think.

>>56023221
> fedora gui
Try using DNF.

Or you could reinstall one last time to get back into a GUI and try to fix it that way.

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I may have messed up my MBR.
How do I fix it if I don't have a back up?

Is Manjaro the only distro that ships an i3 exclusive flavor?

I want a Linux system with nothing but i3, but I don't have Ethernet to do NET installs.

>>56023448
Yup.
Manjaro's devs maybe idiots but the distro itself is fine.

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>>56022078
Why Bill Gaytes loves Linux?

>>56023161
Security patches don't work that way

>>56022045
Just installed Arch Linux coming from Windows 10, now I'm in search for a desktop environment to install. Any suggestions /g/?

>>56023877
XFCE

>>56023909
Screenshot of your desktop?

What the fugs happened here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8mKMtEg7M

Stallman got very upset.

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>>56023927
>inb4 manjaro

>>56023953
Nice. Is there an xfce applet that displays memory in MB/GB values?

>>56022332
i don't post much here anymore so i don't know about the debian shills, but i can say that i'm using it on pretty much all my computers and i find it to be very logically set up and rock solid
it's not as easy for a first timer as something like ubuntu, mint, fedora or any of the arch installers that set things up for you
things work in a little more of an old fashion way that's for sure

>>56023967
Kinda, it gives you a bar.
However if you hover over it it shows it in MB

I've been procrastinating since 1 and it's 4 now

I need to configure a kernel before compiling it
I've done it before but for some reason I'm scared again

how do I know exactly what I need?

I have trouble getting my graphics card to work

using Mint 18 cinnamon and R9 390
I can boot using nomodeset or recovery mode just fine, but i don't know how to enable or force to use the GPU instead of onboard

When i try to boot using default i end up with an Xserver error (segmentation fault)?

i've done a lot of googling, updating and purging so far
i even asked for help on reddit but nobody has responded in three days (i've asked here before when i had a different problem)

I don't know what i can try or do next

>>56023438

sudo dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/bios/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda

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>>56022374
yes, as example, the infamous blacklist (4 and 5 are considered "dangerous" and blocked by default)
https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules
additionally:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/02/linux-mint-hit-by-malware-infection-on-its-website-and-forum-after-hack-attack/

>>56022332
>>56022350
is this some sort of new bait?

>>56024832
>*linux-|*|5||
>linux|*|5||

>>56024832
https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mdm

>>56024832
After that hack they use GPG and SHA256 to verify rather than just MD5 alone, plus they stopped using plaintext HTTP and switched to HTTPS. Also, they offer no codecs versions of linux mint.

I just got a raspberry pi 3, and I'm thinking of installing ubuntu-mate. Is it possible to rice? Just asking. I've seen people do it but I'm not sure how they did it.

>>56024895
>>After that hack they use GPG and SHA256
Too late, it's current year.
>no codecs versions
Then what is this? https://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=22

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It's been a billion years. I've got a shitload of free space on my HDD and was thinking I'd put a linux distro on it. My ye olde memory of doing this was that re-partitioning a drive with existing data on it is likely to cause everything to die in a fire. Is this still the case or can I actually modify the size of an existing partition without it being a big deal?

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I use this notebook for uni for some time now but it's kinda sluggish, especially viewing videos/streams. Starting my browser/programs also takes some time. Is there a way to speed it up?
I thought about using lxde/lxqt as DE, maybe with Ubuntu minimal (is the "bloat" even relevant for the speed my system operates?).

>>56022045
>feeding the pidgeons on Piazza San Marco
I thought RMS knew better than that

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>>56022045
For the collectors.

I just bought a cheap 230€ asus laptop for a complete tech illiterate coworker of mine, dual core N3050 celeron and integrated graphics, 4gb of RAM

Since I know nothing about DEs, what buntu flavour should I throw on there? Something he can figure out by himself since I won't be helping him with it at all after I leave here.

Does anyone know how to safely change the UID on ubuntu if the home dir is encrypted??

>>56025048

resizing a partition with a filesystem on it has always been risky, defrag the partition and backup anything valuable just in case

it should be fine

CentOS or OpenSuse /w Gnome 3

>>56025280
That's was my gut feeling, cheers.

>>56025283

for what? centos isn't recommended for desktop usage for obvious reasons

>>56025320
which one has better Nvidia Driver support

I used to use Fedora - played a few games on it - still will. Just Fedora is fucking up and i just don't really like it - there is a ram issue and Nvidia Driver issue that just won't fix

>>56023092
I have severe screen flickering on 4.6 which was "solved" by downgrading to 4.5.*

It's said to be fixed in 4.7, so I'm sitting here waiting until 4.7 hits.

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>>56025377

>>56022045
what terminal are you boys using also why do I have a black line halfway through my terminal going down but only when I use vim?

>>56025961
Konsole

When I had windows I heard no fans

When I have manjaro I hear fans

Why?

>>56025839
Yes, in testing. I'm going to sit it out now

>>56025961
URxvt

>>56025961
The line is maybe related to your colorscheme in vim. Try a different one.

>>56026008
Why do people use urxvt over xterm?

Hey /flt/ i allways have a problem with my shitty broadcom wifi card drivers not working on ubuntu, only option for drivers for it are nonfree and it doesnt work even when you reinstall it so os there a different distro of linux that i have a better chance of the drivers working or am i just fucked?

>>56025961
gnome-terminal
it just werks

>>56026076
I don't actually get the question but you can use broadcom in many distros
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/broadcom_wireless

>>56025969
because your computer sucks and relies on some sort of software for proper fan control
>>56026050
fast, customizable
gives you elitist creds
seriously though it's a very nice choice if you're not using a desktop environment. if you are however what's there is usually the best choice

>>56023877 here
Which is the most riceable desktop environment? And how much resources does KDE really take? I'm running 8GB of RAM with 16GB of swap (if that matters at all)

>>56026076
debian netinstall with firmware included works in most cases, i've at least been able to get all wireless NICs ive come across work with it
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

>>56026126
You can use KDE without problems then. I like it and heard good things about it running on Arch.

>>56026117
>fast, customizable
So is xterm.

>>56026126
kde works fine on most computers now, it was just in the past that it was kinda heavy for low end computers

>>56026214
xterm is probably more annoying to customize, and if i remember correctly rxvt also has some nice key combinations for various things

>>56026258
xterm is customized the same way as urxvt does it: Xresources, key combinations are supported aswell

Can you suggest me program for recording desktop, on Arch?
I need something where i can select part of screen to record.

>>56026291
Try gentoo.

>>56026291
simplecreenrecorder

>>56026291
ffmpeg+xrectsel/slop
>on Arch
how is this relevant

>>56026276
oh, well. there must be something people see in it then, i guess it has more features

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I'm gonna dual-boot ubuntu mate and use it as my main OS, how much disk space do I need? I'm gonna keep it on a 180GB ssd alongside with w10.

>>56026291
OBS is good for that stuff, if you just need something simple make a terrible bash script with ffmpeg

>>56026291
If I remember right, on GNOME you have a key combination to record the screen (byanz).

>>56026326
Probably less then you need for Windows. I suggest using Windows for gaming and using Ubuntu for mostly anything else. So everything between 20-40 GB would be enough for Ubuntu. Especially if you consider that you can access your Windows-Partition under Ubuntu but not vice-versa.

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Should I use the opensource drivers for my GPU or the proprietary ones? I'm running an old Acer Aspire 5560G (about 6 years old now) and all the DE's I've tried run really choppy. Scrolling is poor on Chrome and FF. Don't have the same issue with Windows though.

Also how can I find out what driver is currently in use right now?

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>>56026370
thanks anon

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How many of you /fglt/ards are actually balls deep in GNU/Linux?

>>56026318
i just wanna let everyone know that i have arch

>>56026388
Try fist the free ones, if they don't make problems, keep them, if they make problems, you can still switch to the nonfree ones.

>>56026404
Linux in my laptop, server, phone and my router

Windows in my VM

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>>56026404
Balls deep in Debian.

>>56026417
the problem I don't know where to find them. The additional drivers panel doesn't recommend anything.

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>>56025961
The one that comes with whatever DE I'm currently using, which is gnome-terminal right now. I like how they have their shortcuts set up like a browser by default. Ctrl+shift+t makes a new tab, ctrl+shift+w closes a tab, etc.

>>56025961
Terminator

>>56025056
bump and rephrasing the whole thing:

Which Linux OS + DE would be best for my notebook? (Please no i3 and such because I'm no poweruser.) It's an Asus Eee PC 1015P. It has a special Linux-Version which is really shitty ootb.

>>56026245
>>56026213
How is KDE compared to GNOME? I've been watching YouTube videos about desktop environments - one said that it was too slow for him compared to KDE, and the other said that the majority of users use GNOME...

>>56026659
Compared in what case? They are different in design (KDE is more like Windows and GNOME more like Apples OS.)
KDE uses Qt while Gnome uses GTK. To lazy to type it out, so I'll c+p:
GTK and Qt are user interface toolkits and frameworks. They are libraries that the developers use to design graphical interfaces.
When a graphical (GUI) program is written, first its core internals are developed. This is what makes the program run. You never see the core, they simply execute in the background. On top of this core, a User Interface (UI) is designed.
Now, the developers could design the complete interface from scratch, or re-use designs made by others. Re-using design has a major advantage. It allows all the programs in your computer to look similar. Hence, they use GUI toolkits. GTK and Qt are two extremely common GUI toolkits.
GTK is the standard toolkit for GNOME while Qt is used by KDE. From the user's point of view, it's just the looks that differ. The program remains the same at heart.

>>56022045
can I just execute a command with cronjob or does it have to be a script and could someone give an example

>>56026768
0 10 * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 notify-send -t 0 -u critical "Install Gentoo!"

This will remind you every day at 10 o'clock to install Gentoo.

>>56026796
Sorry, wrong quotes.
notify-send -t 0 -u critical 'Install Gentoo!'
is correct

>>56026796
>>56026813
Seriously, what is the "install Gentoo" meme?

Most of the desktops I've seen around here are 50% Windows, 30% Ubuntu, 5% Arch, 5% Debian, 5% Gentoo and 5% other (Manjaro, Mint etc.)

tl;dr it doesn't seem that popular of a linux distro

I just did a minimal Debian netinstall with no DE because I plan on installing i3. How do I do anything? I don't even have Audi, and because my laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port, I don't know how to connect to WiFi. Can someone help me?

>>56026847
Gentoo is basically the highest level since it allows you to customize everything at compile time. At the end of the day you have an operating system that does 100% exactly what you need.
"Install Gentoo" is /g/'s way to say "Lurk moar." Newfriends consider Gentoo is a meme, because compiling may take a while (only for huge programs tho). Also the word "compiling" scares some people, but IRL everything is done automatic using Gentoo's package manager portage.

>>56026880
>Audi
Sorry, I meant sudo

>>56026847
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/install-gentoo

bookmark this site kiddo.

>>56026917
Thank you for the explanation.
>>56026928
Thanks for the link anon, cleared things up a bit.

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>>56022045
I bet he fucked them all.

>>56025961
st, with the scrolling patch it is okay. Otherwise gnome-terminal.

Best audio editing application on Linux? Video?
Someting from AUR would be appriciated.

>>56026659
Everyone has different taste. Try them both out yourself. I like the polish and consistency of GNOME 3 compared to the KDE5. I think aesthetically KDE is fucking garbage out of the box. One ridiculous example of this is how the clock on the taskbar scales with the task bar. So many design issues, but I think it's easier to rice KDE.

>>56026847
Whoa. It's almost like popularity isn't a good standard to judge quality.

>>56027097
blender, audacity, sox, ffmpeg

Don't blindly install everything from the AUR.

>>56027208
thanks, that helps alot. I'm on manjaro so something in Arch repo(s) would be easier on me.

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HALP PLOX!

Installing Linux (Mint to be specific) for the first time. I have Windows 7 and I've shrunk Win7 partition to half (there's now 1TB of NTFS and 1TB of Free space) on my 2TB HDD.

I've booted Mint and I'm starting the installation and I have an option of "install Mint alongside Win7" or "Something Else".

This is what Somethign Else looks like.

Should I choose the first option or Something Else option? Something Else option requires me to format free space and set Swap.

Some help is really appreciated /g/ents!

>>56027283
>Mint
found your problem

>>56027304
shitposting is not helping. you're in the wrong thread, neckbeard.

>>56027283
So try the other option. Or click on the free space and see if will automagically partition it for you. Report back.

>>56027283
I assume you made a recovery disk on w7, so you can get rid of GRUB if you need to?

>>56027283
http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/07/how-to-install-linux-mint-alongside.html

2 seconds on google.

>>56027283
Seeing as you don't boot UEFI you can just make one giant EXT4 partition of the extra space. If you want to be able to hibernate, you can make a swap partition equal to the amount of RAM you have. Or make a swap file using Google later. Or use gparted to shrink the EXT4 part and make a swap part.

>>56027283
If you want to dual boot mint and 7, then install alongside. Which I assume you want to do since you repartitioned space for mint.

>>56027283
Before you proceed, consider installing a distro which isn't broken and doesn't come with lots of security problems.

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>>56027336
I have this.... after double-clicking on "free space".

>>56027358
no... i have no backup :(

>>56027371
When I initially started Installation, it complained about UEFI. So I guess I doboot UEFI.

>>56027375
OK, so first option is the best? I presume that thing will use the free space I allocated?

>>56027401
make it primary not logical, one big ext4. Honestly if you have 4 gig's of mem or more, you don't need swap. swap is for grils anyway.

>>56027401
If you do have UEFI, then make a 200 MB large partition as EFI, and mount point /boot or /boot/efi (not sure what Mint uses as bootloader). The large EXT4 partition has mount point /, just /.

But I agree, install alongside option will make be a nice and easy option.

>>56027283
>people still fall for linux mint

>>56027482
>But I agree, install alongside option will make be a nice and easy option.
OK... that seems like the way to go. I'm pretty sure I'll fuck it up somehow if I just try those advanced options.

Wish me luck... here I go!

>>56027495
What's wrong with Mint?

>>56027520
Mint and Ubuntu and similar are designed to automate most for you.
Linux in general does that, to be fair.

The people who go for the advanced settings usually go for Arch or Gentoo anyway.

Good luck, friend.

>>56027549
see
>>56024832
>>56024854
>>56024888

>>56027556
>Linux in general does that
No.

>>56027574
wtf I hate mint now

>>56027610
>wtf I hate %s now
Is this the a meme?

>>56027593
You plug in a device and it's usable. You boot it up on a PC and it manages power. You mount a partition and it knows how to handle it.
What of its functions doesn't it do for you?

>>56027574
When people come straight out of hell (Windows) I don't think they care about such (compared to Windows) harmless things.

Debian and sublime 2 problems:
I installed sublime 2 and created the sublime.desktop file
I write a new entry in mimeapps.list for text/x-python.
Double click still not opening py files.
I am new in linux so what i am doing wrong?
(sublime in terminal opens sublime correctly)

>>56027716
>sublime
Nonfree pig disgusting.

>>56027708
then why don't they at least use noobuntu?
what's the big deal with mint?

>>56027716
you're on linux why are you not using vim?

>>56027757
Because Mint looks more familiar, I'm guessing. And no Amazon crap.

>>56027716
First did you know there was new version of sublime called sublime text 3?
Use vim...

>>56027766
ubuntu doesn't spy anymore, I don't like canonical also, but compared to mint, it's the more professional distro and cinnamon (looks more familiar argument) can be installed anywhere

Should I upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04? I mean, is it worth it? Does the process take very long? Does it matter if I have kubuntu instead of ubuntu?

>>56027781
Normies don't know about that.

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OK, so I installed Mint and ended up with this.

But... when I boot, GRUB does not show me the Win7 partition :( How do I fix that?

How can I change the MATE icon theme from the command line?

I tried out Ubuntu and Mint and know my way around using apt. Now I'm thinking about going the next step using Arch or an Arch-based distro. I tried Manjaro on a Live-USB but am unable to install any programs using the terminal. I know Arch uses pacman instead of apt.
>are there big differences between pacman and apt?
>what are the advantages from pacman above apt?
>does Arch offer the same software-suite as Debian-based distros?

>>56027781
Is the whole Amazon stuff not pre-installed either anymore? If it still is, then it's not as great an OOB experience as Mint then, is it?

Can anyone show a working example of a herbstluftwm keymask rule? I cannot seem to get a basic rule working even for things like fullscreen.

Right now the rule I have looks like this and herbstclient doesn't show any errors parsing it... probably a stupid mistake on my part

hc rule class="conkerer" fullscreen=on

>>56027758
Why would anyone want to use a "text editor" that requires you to presh 5 keybinds to just start entering text?

>>56027804
add windows to the grub menu
arch wiki

>>56026117
>usually the best choice
Certainly most emulators will work just fine, but termite has great default behavior for tiling wms

>>56027821
>are there big differences between pacman and apt?
just read the manpage and learnt he new commands
>what are the advantages from pacman above apt?
none, both do basically the same thing
>does Arch offer the same software-suite as Debian-based distros?
arch's repos are a bit smaller comared to debian, but the AUR adds it up

>>56027838
it comes preinstalled, but since version 16, it's opt-in (you need to enable it first to be spied on)

>>56027869
quoted wrong, meant >>56027825

>>56027797
Should I upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04? I mean, is it worth it?
Dunno. Most of the time the answer to whether you should update is "yes".
Does the process take very long?
No. Except you have to fix something that broke.
Does it matter if I have kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
No. KDE (therefore the "K"ubuntu) is just your desktop environment. It is most likely already updatet or updates itself with the new Ubunut-version.

>>56027838
Amazon and such were only in the traditional Ubuntu using Unity as DE. As far as I know, they removed/ turned it off in 16.04. If you use another DE it doesn't affect you anyways.

>>56027869
wut

>change icons
>in mate
>from the command line

This is what I would like to accomplish.

>>56027898
read >>56027886

>>56027778
I use sublime because I feel comfortable with it in windows, but yes I am going to try vim (and his amazing learning curve XD). Thanks !

>>56027804
Now we know it's not UEFI/GPT, at least!

When logged into Mint, try opening a terminal and typing
>sudo update-grub

>>56027888
I don't really have anything special installed, do you mean that normal parts of the system can become broken after updating?

>>56027937
Hint: run "vimtutor" in the terminal. After 10 minutes you know the basics.

>>56027846
Honestly as someone who only recently began to use vim I completely understand this perception.

That being said you are missing out. Nothing is comfier than vim. You only get faster and faster (within two days I was already more productive than I was with a standard workflow editor) and you never have to reach for a mouse. I set my input style to vi keybindings and started using vimfx extension for firefox.

Try vimtutor (should be installed by default on most distros). It only takes a few minutes to get the hang of the basics and I am confident that you will see the benefits of the structure quickly.

I tried going back to my old Ubuntu Mate partition and couldn't stand having to use the mouse again.

Tl;dr
There is a reason many many applications allow for vi keybindings - COMFY and productive (eventually, but it doesn't take too long to achieve competency)

>>56027937
Try vim but if you are going to use sublime get latest version. Selecting it as default for *.py depends on file manager but as a rule, right click -> open with there should be use this or set as default

>>56027804
I warned you to make a recovery disk in w7 before you did this

>>56027966
i also highly recommend gvim i find it more visually appealing than terminal version or better yet spacemacs all goodies of vim and emacs

>>56027938
>When logged into Mint, try opening a terminal and typing
>>sudo update-grub
thanks. I got this....

 $ sudo update-grub
[sudo] password for art: 
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-21-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-21-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
done

will that do it?

>>56027950
>need to "spend time" to use a TEXT EDITOR

>>56027804
if partition is still there use
sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

>>56028042
>

Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1

looks good

>>56028042
Yeah reboot and it should show Windows 7.
If it doesn't, hold shift while booting and if it then still doesn't show, Arch should work.

>>56028042
oh right mint still has update-grub, havent seen that one in a while

>>56028044
dumb normalfag

>>56027966
Input style is referring to ~/.inputrc by setting the line

set editing-mode vi

Which can also be done for just the sh by setting

set -o vi

>>56028044
Lol
>need to "spend time" to LEARN SOMETHING NEW

Yeah that is indeed how it works but it is worth it, anon. Log out of your 4chan account for a few minutes if you can't squeeze time out of your busy day elsewhere

>>56028080
I have been using systemd-boot for a long time now so I'm out of the loop. Is update-grub bad, or what is the surprise?

>>56028044
Vim isn't a text editor. It's a (music) instrument that produces text.

>>56028072
>looks good
>>56028079
>Yeah reboot and it should show Windows 7.
>>56028080
>oh right mint still has update-grub, havent seen that one in a while
WORKS!!!

Just booted into Win7. GRUB showed me Win7, memtests and Mint as options.

Thanks bros! This wasnt that difficult.

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>>56028044
Can your text editor do this?

>>56027946
I give you a (bad) example:
I once used Mint + xfce, which is basically Xubuntu. After I updated it, there was a bug which didn't let me access some of my settings. After a clean install everything was fine again.
Most of the time you'll be fine. So just do it. If you want to be really safe, do a backup and update after.

>>56028080
I'm surprised, too. Worked on my machine ootb.

>>56027716
>I am new in linux so what i am doing wrong?
Using nonfree software from outside the repos for example.

>>56028133
I would never in my life need to waste my time learning retarded keybinds to fuck around on the internet, thinking i have an epeen

>>56028124
>>56028105

update grub is just alias for grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg, distros i used for 4+ years dont have it so i forgot about it thats all.

Systemd-boot never used it, any reasons for it over grub?

i'm a linux novice and just settled down on antergos as it was the only distro that I could get IceCat 38.8 up and running.

how do i make a wrapper script for an application so I don't have to keep retyping the dynamic linker because the application fucks up its own libraries?

>>56028161
>he doesn't have autism
Get outta here.

What application do you use to create a movie?
I've looked into libre office but it didn't provide any video format.

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I have an odd-ball request. I've been using Macs for the past 7 years and now I've built a PC with 2 Nvidia GPUs (need it for machine learning).

Which Linux distro is most Mac-like? I really like Mac UI and dont want a distro that emulates Windows or something like that.

Any suggestions on a distro?

>>56024208
> make olddefconfig

Wow that was hard.

>>56028225
any distro

>>56028225
Elementary OS

>>56028225
Distros have nothing to do with it, you are looking for DE. I dont know check gnome or Elementary OS (yea yea but pantheon is a bitch to install on anything else)

>>56028080
i thought this was standard in all ubuntu and ubuntu-derived distros

>>56028133
Whats the program that shows the typed keys?

>>56028186
it's not just an alias, it can detect if efi is used instead and update the efi partition if necessary

>>56028225
>>56028266 this. The DE is what you are looking for. I'd recommend GNOME or Deepin.

>>56028225
Manjaro has the option for propriatary drivers from the installer. I gaurantee this will save you headaches if you are a newbie.

>>56028266
>>56028275
>Elementary OS
>>56028276
>Elementary OS
Thank you. Will take a look. I see they're trying to emulate DE so that's good.

>>56028293
>I'd recommend GNOME or Deepin.
Thank you. Will take a look.

I've been using Ubuntu in a VM for years but never liked the GUI. Now that I have a beast of a machine, I want native Linux.

>>56028309
>Manjaro
Excellent. Thank you for a recommendation.

>>56028291
Oooh didnt know that, thought its just an alias
>>56028282
I havent used bunt/debian distros in ages

So, is systemd still pedophilia or can we use it now?

>>56028345

systemd usage is mandatory, citizen.

>>56028345
>>56028345
It's perfectly usable.

>>56028345
Use whatever works... Yea some of their dev decisions are questionable but it works.
Personaly i use openrc

>>56028134
Ok, thanks man.

>>56027556
>The people who go for the advanced settings usually go for Arch or Gentoo anyway.
I've always used the "advanced" setting because I want to be absolutely sure that my partitions and files are kept intact and in a way that I want.

It really isn't complicated to deal with partitions once you mess with them a little bit, and learn a few terms. All you need is
- a primary drive for your Linux installation (I always go with ext4 since it seems most standard),
- an optional bit of swap
- optional mount points for the other partitions you may want access to

>>56028437
I had to learn how to use the advanced/manual setup so I could use have my /home /var and /swap encrypted. It's slightly confusing at first until you figure out the diffrence between logical vs. primary

>>56028133
Funnily enough, you can do exactly this in Emacs with Evil-mode. I like to think of Vim as a method or control scheme rather than just an editor. I hope more vim implementations in other editors become a regular thing, and I hope they become as robust as Evil-mode.

>>56022078
Richard doesn't like Linus because Linus is more of a business man. He likes making money rather than making free software.
Linus doesn't like Stallman because Stallman is a free software extremist who wants all software under Linux to be free as in freedom.

Basically Linus thinks a user is allowed a choice between free and non free whereas Stallman thinks there should only be free.

WHY NO ADWAITA DARK OUSIDE OF GNOME

Why are you people encrypting hard drives? Seems like a hassle for nothing, what if i want to access my files on encrypted drive from live cd for fixing shit?

>>56028133
You should record all those keystrokes into a macro, paste the register, and post that as a FizzBuzz solution in whatever thread it comes up in.

>>56028548
Because GNOME 3 uses GTK3 and the non-dark apps are GTK2.

I haven't tried it, but this extension might help: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/957/pitch-dark/

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>>56028345
>>56028358
>>56028366
>>56028368

>>56022078
Linus writes beautiful code. He has published some side projects that he wrote all on his own and the code is just wonderful. He also lives in the real world while still maintaining his open source ideals and supporting himself through his work.

RMS is basically a homeless loser who hasn't made any real contributions in the last 20 years. He is still super butthurt that Linux beet HURD (but hey, HURD just got basic sound support in 2016!) and basically tries to claim Linux because Linus used GCC and the GNU coreutils. He survives on the charity of others and speaking engagements where he spouts his insane, paranoid, philosophy. Basically he won't be happy until all the programmers are homeless hackers like him and all the companies are shut down. How people are supposed to support themselves and their families in that scenario aren't things he has to deal with because he is basically a permanent grad student. He does make some good points about privacy, but for him, there is no middle ground. Anything that may reduce your privacy even the slightest bit (like movie recommendations on Netflix) is evil according to him, and must be destroyed. In a lot of ways he show classic signs of mental splitting, which is a classic symptom of mental illness. To top it off, when he does write code, he does so in the style of the awful GNU style guide which is a crime against humanity IMHO.

So, in a nutshell:
He's a bird-fucking, self-absorbed, power hungry, toe jam eating pedophile that thinks everything should be free and everyone should be forced to share, who looks like he hasn't showered in years so as to create a static shield around his body to protect from aliens. He also created an OS without a kernel because he's basically Steve Jobs gone communist. Oh, and he calls himself doctor though he holds no PhD.

>>56028543
>Richard doesn't like Linus because Linus is more of a business man. He likes making money rather than making free software.
Not correct, RMS doesn't like Linus views on freedom, he's doesn't care about if he makes money or not, since for RMS making money isn't a bad thing (he even supports selling free software).

They don't hate each other, they are simply different persons. Linus develops the kernel and doesn't care much about freedom, he just likes the idea of Open Source "I just want source code back.", while RMS fighting for user's freedom. The only debate Linus and RMS have is about the GPLv3, where Linus thinks it's okay to allow locking linux systems down, while RMS thinks users should have the freedom to use their system as they wish. The whole hate which is going on is just the community.

>>56028681
consider suicide
>>56028687
>The whole hate which is going on is just the community.
this

Can you install Ubuntu on a laptop with just wifi?

>>56028687
>selling free software
That he forks from someone, adds his name to, and then sells. How is this morally acceptable?

>>56028718
1 rupee was added to your microsoft account

>>56028681
More of an ad hominem on RMS than an actual explanation of anything. I think it's more accurate to say that:

Linus and RMS don't get along because RMS is very picky about "free vs open source" and the whole GNU/Linux thing. Also Linus wasn't a fan of GPL3. There's probably more than just that. Come to think of it, they're both just really opinionated and divisive figures.

>>56028345
it's mandatory

you may not like it but you might as well learn all that you can about it so you can offer to improve it

>>56028718
OK, Bill Gates

>>56028717
the intel firmware packages are usually included by default

more obscure wireless hardware may need you to connect via ethernet or transfer the package over on a flash drive

>>56028345
>>56028667
>know thy enemy

>>56028437
Good thing the options are available in the Ubuntu based installers then!

>>56028186
It's based on gummy, for a time the only UEFI capable bootloader. Right now it's just a very clean and easy way to use a bootloader. Not sure if it even supports MBR partition tables.

>>56028124
Nice. That should be about the most difficult thing you'll ever have to face with Mint.

>>56028754
>>56028774
Fucking seriously
What prevents me from forking a project that uses GPLV3, adding my name to it, and then selling it? That is exactly what GPL allows.

You freetards are just lazy fucks who can think of anything orginal, so of course you support this "freedom"

>>56028810
Liscence is prohibiting you, freedom of use is allowed as long as you release your source you cant sell it

Dont go talking about something you dont understand....

>>56028810
Open Source/Free Software development ist faster and better, since other people will point out bugs and add ideas you'd never would think of alone, which makes a higher quality end product.

What you describe (forking, adding my name and selling) is pretty much acceptable, since the GPL prevents you from closing the source, but why would anyone pay you money if he can use the free source?

>>56028554
>access my files on encrypted drive from live cd
sudo ecryptfs-recover-private

>>56028848
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#section6

>>56028868
Okay but what do i gain i dont otherwise by responsible usage and common sense? Except that extra step?

>>56028858
>Anyone pay you money if he can use the free source?
1) They are of unbuntu level intelligence
2) They dont have the time to mange source code and build it them selves
3) They dont have time to manage updates manually.

Why do you think RHEL exists?

>>56028899
That's an argument. Agreed.

>>56028878
Is that LGPL then? Hmm ive got stuff mixed up.

In any case if i dont mind why not release my own source code under GPL or BSD? Sharing is caring

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>>56028888
knowledge Tyrone can't access your personal info when he steals your setup.

>>56028948
But if im behind firewall and dont go to weird .onion sites or install stuff from shady sources or use root acc, there is no bloody way ill get hacked

>>56028973
If you want a secure system, you will use encryption. End of story.

>>56028973
>I go in to your room when you are in the shower
>I boot from any live distro
>I see you have no encryption
>I dont need your password
>Mirror entire hard drive
Full access

>>56029002
>I watch you type password
>You walk into shower
>I decrypt using your password
>Mirror entire hard drive

or i just steal your pc
Physical access makes you god

>>56029002
>>56029019
>Mirror entire hard drive
How long does this take?

>>56028928
BSD is a bad idea since it allows closing the source.

>>56029019
Not with encryption, friendo.
And have fun remembering my 21 letter/number combo.

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I'm having trouble with "wget". It prints many info, but I only want it to report that a file was downloaded. So, I piped "grep" to print only "100%" out of wget, and this way get the screen cleaner. But, this is not enough for me, as each "100%" is printed on a new line, and this gives me a flood of new lines. Is it possible to pipe "tr" to turn the line breaks of the "grep" into spaces, and still be live? When I add tr, the "100%" are all printed at the same time at the end, and I need them live.

>>56029036
I just have a deja-vú.

>>56029019
>I watch you type password
This is a lot harder to make without being noticed.

>>56029050
I posted this yesterday. Is this what you mean?

>>56029029
> 21 letter/number combo
> not a sequence of four or five big words
> not typing really fast

Not even rain man could isolate my password.

>>56029036

EXIT STATUS
Wget may return one of several error codes if it encounters problems.

0 No problems occurred.

1 Generic error code.

2 Parse error---for instance, when parsing command-line options, the .wgetrc or .netrc...

3 File I/O error.

4 Network failure.

5 SSL verification failure.

6 Username/password authentication failure.

7 Protocol errors.

8 Server issued an error response.

>>56029036
wget whatever > /dev/null
echo $?

>>56029036
wget -q && echo success || echo error
?

>>56029036
Just for further use in linux and bsd there is this wonderfull documentation system called manpages where belive it or not you can find information and maybe even solve a problem. Neat right?

>>56029036
my idea
wget -q <url> && printf '.'
wget -q <url> && printf '.'
wget -q <url> && printf '.'
Result: ...

>>56029077
It's a very obscure turn of phrase. Think of something science-y, with a random character(s) sprinkled in. I didn't intend for it not to show up on any encyclopedia/dictionary lists, but it dosen't for some reason.

>>56029108
yet

>>56029084
EXIT STATUS is for when wget finishes downloading every file. I would need STATII for each file.

>>56029107
It's not possible now, as I send the URLs through a txt file. So, are you suggesting me to read one line each time, on a loop?

>>56029134
Just use -nv like everyone else.
How is it useful to know 100% if you don't know the file.

>>56029127
In formal English, you usually put "yet' immediately after not, but in conversation and less formal writing, you normally put it at the end of a clause

>>56029134
you could pipe it to xargs?
grep foo | xargs
or something like grep foo | awk '{print}' ORS=' '

>>56029161
>So, are you suggesting me to read one line each time, on a loop?
Didn't know you're using -r, but line by line is actually a good idea.

while read line; do
        wget -q "$line" && printf '+' || printf '-'
done < urls.txt

Untested tho.

>>56029019
If you would like to read the quote chain, you will see he belives a firewall is all that he needs to protect his system, and that encryption is pointless and just wastes time.

>>56029195
I'm not using -r for recursive, I'm using -i for input-file.

>>56029207
Well its reasonably safe assumption isnt it? How often do you get hacked even on windows let alone on linux which is more secure

>>56029219
You're right. Typo.

>>56029207
No way, he must be trolling

>>56029036
Did you try >>56029186

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>>56028810
The money comes from being an active developer (fixing bugs, adding features, etc.) and by providing support for the product.

You can't just fork any FOSS project, relabel it, sell it, and expect people to suddenly flock to your version when the original still exists, has active developers, and gives support to users when needed.

The GPL isn't about making money (even though you can obviously make money in a variety of ways), it's about ensuring what should be inherent rights: the "4 freedoms" laid out by St IGNUcius.

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>>56029261
my nigga

>>56029261
I would like to interject and remind everyone it would be impossible to get the GNU/Linux operation system to move to GPLv3.

>>56029104
I already checked manuals, stack overshit, wikis, other search results... Only 4chan can help me now.

Do you think Stallman has groupies?

>>56029314
Try piping it to xargs if it doesnt work consider using python, pearl, ruby it might be simpler, just get output of wget put it into list and print inline

>>56029292
So sad he decided not to have children. He woun't life forever and what do we do without RMS?

>>56029319
yeah, a bunch of random Spaniards

>>56029229
It's not all about hacking. For instance; it would borderline retarded to have a laptop, and not encrypt your drives.

>>56029195
I tested here. It should give me N "100%", and it's giving me N "+"...

Thanks for the help, it already is an advance; but I will need to do something more, as it's returning success even if the file isn't downloaded: I use -nc for no cobbler (do not download the same files again and again). So there is success in not downloading on purpose.

Also, it's giving me almost N "-" at the end of "+".

>>56029358
Why? Laptop is one more pricey things you carry around, i certainly dont leave it laying around... Might as well throw money at people

>>56029247
I was trying >>56029195

Piping both solutions resulted in no output on the screen.

>>56029095
Same problem as: >>56029134

>>56029163
-nv is too verbose. The file names are irrelevant, and it floods the screen with new lines. I only need to show the files are being downloaded, nothing more.

>>56029427
I bet you never leave it in your car, and I bet you have never heard of people being mugged, or the phrase "burglery" before, correct?

>>56029576
>Get into Computational Physics course
>The syllabus looks really good
>Teacher then proceeds to shill Mac and Ubuntu, explaining other distros like Debian are not really human-usable because of how outdated they look
>Have to contain the urge to explain you can make any distro look exactly like any other one, even the default install of Debian defaults to GNOME 3.

ree.
/blog

>>56029576
sorry, didn't mean to reply to you >>56029779

>>56029576
Well in case you are mugged worse problem is actual theft, fact that mugger can access you favourite anime hardly matters? Tho i agree that in this case encryption might be useful besides unless you are living in some shithole chances are you wont be mugged

>>56029092
Why you suggested using dev/null? -q would be sufficient.

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Is there any way to get a top panel and have any type of dock add-on for Gnome or Pantheon on multiple monitors?

>>56029294
Why?

>>56022045
> implying

did you homos support the almost guaranteed fsf-approved mini computer? at 50% with 15 days to go

>>56030203
>doesn't even provide a link

I tried searching "fsf mini computer" but nothing came up. Thanks for that.

>>56030247
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

could have gone to your home page, which is fsf.org, and checked their blog but ok.

>>56022045
I just booted up my crunchbang partition and I can't log in. When I put in all of my credentials, it just tells me that the login command failed to execute. All I find are things for people who just installed crunchbang saying that they needed to create a home directory for their user in the recovery mode.

Does anyone know what's up? It was working just fine for the past two years or so.

>>56022346
>Fedora
>no backups
I'm sure it wasn't important

>>56030096
How would you convince the hundreds, if not thousands of critributors to the Linux kernel to approve of the v3 terms?

>>56029377
>>56029195
Thanks, you solved my problem. I assigned the "wget|grep" result to a variable, that was printed inside the loop with "echo -n", so now everything is printed on the same line!!!

>>56030203
While I like the idea of a modular laptop, the cpu they want to go for seems too weak.

>>56030365
I don't even know what's wrong with them, I'm a linux noob.

>>56030511
>Linux
I would like to interject you for a moment...

>>56030530
You'd better not

>>56030382
Nice. Have fun. Don't forget to read manpages.

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Hello /fglt/. I was wondering if there was a fix for this.

Basically, in the pic, every time I move the terminal it leaves a trail behind (I have a shadow effect behind the terminal). This also happens frequently when I move other windows around; they leave a trail behind but only for a very short amount of time.

Is there a way to fix this/a workaround? It disappears after a while but it's very annoying to look at since I frequently drag windows. I am using KDE and Openbox WM.

>>56023936
Basically, he was doing a speech for some people in Brazil. He offered the choice of doing the speech in English or Spanish, they picked English. Sadly, they were overconfident on their English knowledge and didn't understand much, so they asked him to change to Spanish during the middle of the speech. When he learned of this fact, he had a breakdown because a few people understood what he said, that he couldn't change it during the middle because people wouldn't understand his ideas and concepts, as you can see in the video.

->
-> >>56030584
->

>>56030594
I read manpages...

>>56030648
My condolences

>>56030610
I understood this, but where was this? An university? People didn't cared about RMS talk? Why, besides language? They were not into computers?

>>56030756
wut

>>56030511
For changing the license, it legally requires the explicit acceptation of every single contributor.
Some of them have changed email address, or have used pseudo. Some of them may be dead.
And if one of them rejects the change, then it can't happens.

>>56030604
And I thought that only Windows had this feature.

Good to see the Year of the Desktop Linux is approaching .

>>56026880
Please respond