Official retro /g/ thread

>>56009941
Bumping for retro awesomeness~~!

>>56009950
Ew, can't wait this to fade into the darkness of history.

>>56009950
great os btw but died so fast ;_;
msn and core 2 duo times

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>>56009941
i have a few

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>>56009990

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My new toy I got recently!
486DX4

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I'm working on a (somewhat) retro PC build, and currently looking into buying the CPU. Obviously have to buy used/referb. Is it possible that a CPU that's been abused (overvolted, overheated, overclocked, shorted to death, etc.) could damage my other components, my motherboard in particular?

The CPU in question will be a Core2 Duo (probably E7600 or E7500), in case that matters.

>>56010098
>The CPU in question will be a Core 2 Duo (probably E7600 or E7500), in case that matters.
I don't think even a Pentium 4 is considered """"retro""", yet alone a Core 2 Duo, ask in the /sqt/.

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It looks different now but this is most of what I have

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How old is retro?
I have an Athlon XP machine dual booting Windows 98 and XP for old games.
And a pretty good CRT monitor.

>>56010121
Still using old shitboxes as tables for even older shitboxes?

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I dunno how much you guys can help me with this, but in my childhood I visited a friend's house a couple of times, and his father had a pretty neat collection of old computers.

I distinctly remember one setup that he had running on a shelf. Everything was jet black - monitor, keyboard, case(s?), and the monitor was orange monochrome.

He was running ELIZA on it. I can't honestly remember if it was two of the same computers stacked side by side, or if if the case just looked like it, but here's a drawing I made that's about as accurately as I can remember it.

Can anyone identify anything based off this?
(Whoops, just missed the new thread)

>>56010131
Depends, guess when you're 20 and you had a computer 10 years ago, it might aswell be retro for you.

>>56010133
Wow, are you a graphics designer? That's neat!

>>56009864
http://zx.zigg.net/LRR/

This is a board which replaces the 4116 RAM in the ZX Spectrum with a modern SRAM chip. No idea how it works, but there's only three components on the thing.

>>56010138
I'm 30 but I don't keep my older computers.
That Athlon XP machine was built specificity for old games, in my mind it's a bit too new to be retro, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>56010150
I'd guess it's thanks to that chip left from the memory chip.

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>>56010133
Eh?

>>56010149
Haha, thanks. I have no formal training whatsoever and rarely draw anything, like, ever.

>>56010162
That's a 7805 voltage regulator which I believe is used to to downstep the 5V power from the Spectrum PCB to whatever the SRAM uses (probably 3.3V). The other big chip is some thingie to demux the address lines.

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>>56010133
This?

>>56010150
In theory this should work on anything that uses 4116 DRAM, though not sure about the Atari 400/800 because custom ICs tend to do funny stuff with the memory addressing.

>>56010182
That's in the ballpark; I'm leaning towards thinking it was just a pair of cases side by side, but it really has been a while - it definitely had big, chunky floppy drives with the eject button/lever, and there weren't any rounded edges on it. It was squarer than a Thinkpad.

>>56010114
Bare with me, I'm using a legacy support motherboard (Asrock 775i65g r3.0) with native drivers back to Win98. The CPU and motherboard may not be retro, but the rest of the PC will be, including it's OS.

>>56010185
>That's a 7805 voltage regulator which I believe is used to to downstep the 5V power from the Spectrum PCB to whatever the SRAM uses (probably 3.3V).

A 7805 regulates a 5v output. 3.3v would be a 7803.

There's probably one on that board because the older chips in the Spectrum can tolerate far more noise & voltage fluctuation than a modern SRAM, so it has it's own linear regulator to be certain that the voltage doesn't exceed 5V.

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found this in a box outside a charity shop
I'm fairly sure it was to be thrown away

it works but occasionally the screen fucks up, might be a connection issue

>>56010259
>There's probably one on that board because the older chips in the Spectrum can tolerate far more noise & voltage fluctuation than a modern SRAM
You'd think so but you're way off. Those oldskool DRAMs are very sensitive to voltage levels. In particular, the 4116s will be toasted if the -5V line doesn't come on first at power up and shut off last at power down. They'll form parasitic diodes and self-destruct.

>>56010282
Specs?

>>56009838
>>56009807
>>56009779
>>56008642
RAM is always rated a worst case scenario. For example, 120ns chips can usually run as fast as 60ns while 100ns chips can run up to 55ns.

>>56010300
Not him but he's talking about noise and fluctuation not what lines comes and goes off first.

>>56010322
Guess it depends what modern SRAM chips you use also.

>>56010002
It looks like those speakers would have huge ass magnets inside them fucking with the CRT monitor thanks to that wallpaper

>>56010322
There are some old custom chipsets that don't play well with other chips then the ones they were designed to use.
That's probably why some newly made expansions require things like CPLDs

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>>56010306

>>56010337
http://www.issi.com/US/product-asynchronous-sram.shtml

If you look at the chips listed here, they're rated at 10, 12, 15, 25, etc ns. According to the old thread, these would be way too fast for a ZX Spectrum yet that SRAM board appears to have nothing on it to induce wait states. There's just the RAM, a demuxer chip, and a voltage regulator.

>>56010377
If you're talking fucked-up stuff like IBM PS/2s, yes, but they always used their own silly proprietary RAM anyway.

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What do you guys think of the TRS-80 PC-2 Handheld?

I found one for AU$50+shipping, does that seem like a good price? I'm honestly not sure what I'd do with it, but it looks like a cool piece of hardware.

>>56010395
Then again, SRAM probably doesn't work the same way as DRAM.

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My home office needs some cleaning. So I post old pics.

>>56010385
Best version of Windows with the greatest Internet Explorer all times pre-installed

>>56010395
>>56010405
The speccy works, yeah, but some chipsets know that their RAM works at 120ns and using faster ones will throw them off balance and be prone to be unstable.
Not saying it won't work, but it's not as stable as original if no precautions are taken.

>>56010470
>best version of Windows
>uses 98 not even 98 SE
>not acknowledging that the best version is actually 2000

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>>56010467

>>56010056
How much battery life do these old laptops get?

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>>56010467

Bifibro!

>>56010490
>first version to not use annoying ass boot disks
>still semi supported
2000 is the best.

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>>56010497
>IN FUNCTION

>>56010470
can't actually get the net on it
it has just a 56k modem

>>56010502
This one's battery is dead, but some work as good as new, there were posts about it in the old thread.

>>56010477
>>56010395
To be fair, an 8-bit computer like the Spectrum has an exceedingly simple architecture. It's probably insensitive to RAM speed as long as it's equal to or greater than what the system board runs at. If you're talking a Windows 9x PC, that's a leagues more complicated machine.

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>>56010497

>>56010524
No PCMCIA?

it has a USB port but drivers for 98 are hard to come by

>>56010527
>If you're talking a Windows 9x PC, that's a leagues more complicated machine

Now take something like an Atari ST or Amiga... Even more complicated

>>56010470
>HIT PUNCH OR KICK TO START GAME
>hit computer
>nothing happens
>punch computer
>nothing happens
>kick computer
>it turns off
what a stupid game

>>56010543
>HIT, PUNCH OR KICK TO START GAME

>>56010559
thanks for clarifying the joke

>>56010566
np

Then again, the C64 has custom ASICs and an extremely tight, timing-sensitive architecture however you can use any RAM of 200ns or faster in them.

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>>56010543

>>56010282
fake, clock on PC is way off current time.

>>56010150
Would be nice to have more mods like this because I always feel slightly uncomfortable about using 30 year old DRAMs which aren't as reliable as more modern types to begin with.

For example, one of the 32kx16 chips and two of the 8kx8 chips listed in >>56010395 would total 640k. Imagine if you could adapt those to an IBM XT. Three chips for the entire system RAM instead of dozens and dozens of 4164s. Even just the amount of power usage you'd cut down on would be huge.

>>56010395
>these would be way too fast for a ZX Spectrum yet that SRAM board appears to have nothing on it to induce wait states

I don't think it should matter as long as the output is latched so it's there whenever the slow CPU gets around to reading it from the fast SRAM.

>>56010524
AOL still have dial up; I suspect a few other ISPs do, too. Go rock that 56k dialup, anon. For science.

>>56010750
Right. The other guy kept insisting that it would be impossible to use faster RAM on a 8 or 16 bit computer without intentionally adding wait states, but that contradicts everything I've always heard which is that the RAM speed is unimportant as long as it's equal or greater than what the system is rated for.

>>56010766
56k is more useless on the web today than the computers they're attached to.

>>56009950
Vista was a fun time

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So this post, >>56000267

Dude emailed back and wants only 150$ now instead of 235$... there's a bunch of other parts and stuff, again same sorta era... I think I saw a P2 or so. Should I go for it now?

>>56010795
56k is plenty fast, if you're selective. Fire up that bad boy and hit Gopherspace: http://gopher.quux.org:70/Software/Gopher/servers

>>56010838
What's that? None of the browser links work, unfortunately.

>>56010871
That's because most browsers have dropped support for Gopher, the bastards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol)

>>56010871
Oh wait, looks like IE5 works?

>>56010121
what the fuck that yellow one looks like a microwave

>>56010838
>>56010795
Or hitup some BBS's over telnet, or wirh your number if you can. Really get back into that retro space.

>>56010921
It's a portable something.

We had the retro threads on /vr/ but they move at like 2 posts per hour and struggle to get more than 10 IPs per thread.

>>56010679
There are boards like that sold already for the XT.
8-bit ISA memory expansions using new chips.

What's up with "retro" fags in these threads that have no clue about anything.

>>56010792
As I understood him he said that there are computers that are picky about RAM and run unstable without those modifications.

>>56011002
There's one right now

>>56010931
BBSes don't really have people on them anymore.

>>56011169
And it's just like I said.

>>56011102
http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/vcf_motherboard_failure_history.htm

That's nice because judging by this, bad RAM is the second most common failure mode on IBM PCs/XTs next to capacitors.

>>56010679
How do you solve the parity issue? XT boards have an extra chip in each bank used for parity checking and while this can be disabled for expansion boards, you can't turn the parity checking off for the RAM on the motherboard.

>>56011202
Sadly.

>>56011214
But luckily they are socketed DIPs and easy to replace.
But still, glad to have options.

>>56010821
I would not get it for that price, but then again I usually only buy cheap local shit I find.

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>>56010530

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>>56012076

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>>56012101

>>56010502
Most are completely dead or have only a few minutes before turning off

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>>56012115

>>56010133
Maybe something NEXT-related?

>>56010490
98SE is only worth it if you want unstable WDM drivers
98 is more stable on Pentium1 than 98SE

How epic it might have been to actully read visual novels back in the windows 98 era. Japanese to english translated visual novels were rare I assume? But instead of vn I think you got your time killed watching Initial-d out of VHS and such. To think that you had to be quite /fit/ to carry this tech with you compared to the 21st century

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Post Sun hardware!

>>56012115
>>56012101
>>56012076
BiFibro, have you gotten anything new too recently?

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>>56010504
Hey bro.

>>56009990
I have that same keyboard, its nice.

>>56012233
Interesting ports, what's that Sun box called?

>>56012227
Recently found my old SGI Indy which need a new hdd and my Siemens PC-D but this machine needs a lot of work and i'm short of time...

>>56012306
Neat, good luck!

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>>56012261
No idea, friend. These images were posted here a long time ago.

>>56011175
Still a good number enough.

>>56012261
see
>>56012222

>>56010121
Fuuuuuuuuuck. I would kill just to have one of those original Pentiums. Nothing but late P4s and up in my area, and when something older pops up they're asking $200 for it.

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My Pentium 3 Win 98 laptop. has a fuckhuge screen (1400x1050) and 256 MB of ram. also a working battery

>>56012716
I'm jelly
What GPU does it have?

>>56012787
Mobility Rage P, with 8MB of VRAM

>>56012716
So thick, so smexy.

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WHERE TO COP THE TSHIRT

I have a toshiba satellite pro 4300 but both screen hinges are completely broken.

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>>56009941
Awesome, retro thread!
Reporting in!

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What about mainframes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmostrFetg

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Oldest non mac computer (thinkpad G40). I have a TiBook (2nd gen) in really good condition though.

>>56013292
What is that cube?!

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>>56013346

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVtHh9JoS3s

>The Connection Machines were a series of supercomputers that grew out of Danny Hillis's doctoral research at MIT in the early 1980s on alternatives to the traditional von Neumann architecture of computation. The Connection Machines (CMs), beginning with CM-1, were originally intended for applications in artificial intelligence and symbolic processing, but later versions found greater success in the field of computational science.

>Each CM-1 microprocessor had its own 4 kilobits of RAM, and the hypercubic array of them was designed to perform the same operation on multiple data points simultaneously

>The CM-1, depending on the configuration, had as many as 65,536 individual processors, each extremely simple, processing one bit at a time

Pic however is CM-5.

>>56013365
Looks fucking awesome

>>56013322
I am working on getting my x40 working. I ordered an IDE to CF adapter and a 32GB CF card. I am going to upgrade the ram from 256MB to 1.25GB as well. I also found an extended battery that uses the docking connector and covers the bottom of the computer.

>>56013400
Nice. I recently put 2gb in the G40 and now XP runs decently. Still the stock 20gb hard drive, but its still nice to mess with. Not having the windows key kind of messes with me though. I would have gotten an x40t but i already have an X61t for touchscreen laptops.

>>56013400
Eh, I ordered a CF to IDE adapter for my Contura 430C too.

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These threads are depressing me ;_; I keep dreaming about a world with modern technology but retro design.

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>>56013465

>>56013465
Time to make your own case anon.

>>56013322
>>56013400
>>56013448

what do you do with them?
they are too new for any DOS games and too old for any newer games?
they are even too shite to watch HD movies on or to browse the internet usefully anymore

>>56012076
I bought a Atari Mega ST 1 two years ago for 18€. With B/W Monitor and a fuckton of disks. Awesome condition too. Sold it to a musician because i needed the space.

I hate myself.

>>56013508
At least you sold it to someone who will use it!

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>>56013374
Each red light represents a processor and tells if it's working on something or not. Sadly I can't find no videos of the original in action.
There's however a few shots of CM5 at NSA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH8X8w8a4f4
Probably filmed around the end of the 90s

>>56013489
I am going to put a lightweight GNU/Linux distro on my x40. I love the build quality and form factor.

>>56013489
G40 anon here. Its a home defense weapon. I also use it to play fallout 2, shareware doom and as a space heater.
Also shitposting it on /tpg/.

>>56012341
>>56012354
>tfw no Silicon Graphics hardware
I just want an O2 or a Fuel, is that so much to ask for?

>>56013652
>is that so much to ask for?
>$$$$
Depends on how much you have?

>>56013728
Well this went for 140 bucks.
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16730737&sid=82542abaf33fe6fb87d061f644fd0bd7
So, apparently I can afford one if I can find one. From what I know the Fuels are worth even less since they're pretty much ATX PC like machines, but they're the most powerful outside of the Tezro or a high spec Octane2.

>>56013796
Yeah, the hard part is finding one...

>>56013523
The Discovery Channel used to be so good

>>56013993
Used to

>>56010411
>make at least five different computers with entirely incompatible architecture
>call them all TRS-80

Fucking Radio Shack.

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>>56013170

>>56014652
Bahah, kek

>>56014943
>0K
nice sciencejoke =^)

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>>56015219
:P yeah

>>56015219
>>56014943

>zero killed
why would you put a sticker with that on a mobo?

>>56010121
I dig the furniture made out of old computers bro

>>56015209
?

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Finally got my brand new serial 2 button mouse! Windows 98 box is up and running. Couldn't help but have a quick play of terminator system shock - runs almost flawlessly (as it should). Gotta dig around the internet for some original game ISOs, definitely needs tomb raider I&II on here.

Sort of occurred to me. Other than a bit of old gaming on a horrible ball mouse, what is there to do with a system like this? What do YOU do with your shitboxes?

>>56017203
Do old shit. BBS, IRC, old games, browse what websites I can. If you have enough RAM a Pentium 3 should be fine for almost any website. Could probably run YouTube if someone bothered to develop for this old shit.

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i got two libretto that still work perfectly

where do you guys get 3.5" floppies?

>>56017384
the internet
google it

>>56017431
I don't see anyone selling shit.

>>56017512
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imation-IBM-2HD-1-44MB-3-5-Floppy-Diskettes-25pc-NEW-OPEN-BOX-/142081058914?hash=item2114b0e862:g:3wgAAOSwaB5XqmHI

Are you this incompetent?

>>56017512
really nigga

google floppy dicks 3.5 and go to shopping and get your shit you fucking pleb

>>56011494
>But luckily they are socketed DIPs and easy to replace

The first 64k of memory on an IBM PC/XT is soldered. On the original PC, if a fault occurs in that area during the POST, the computer simply shows a blank screen. It's very hard to diagnose memory faults in the first 64k of an IBM PC with the original BIOS and in fact IBM's official documentation recommended that if this happened, to just replace the entire motherboard.

Athana does also make new 8" and 5.25" media for US government legacy systems.

>>56010405
Most PS/2s were MCA but a few like the Model 30 had ISA buses. Yet even those buggers have proprietary, unobtainium RAM.

>>56010150
4116s are kind of shitty because of their tri voltage power supply which means they get hot and die easily. But it was a chip that came out in 1976 originally; how reliable do you think something would be at that early stage.

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>>56015403
dunno...

>>56017577
>The first 64k of memory on an IBM PC/XT is soldered.
I hate the original XT boards, generic clone ones are so much better.

>>56018097
It's not any better or worse than a C64 or anything else with soldered RAM.

>>56018130
It's not about the RAM, that's easy to replace, but the board in general.

>>56018097
It's best to have a late XT with a 256k-640k board which has all of the memory on the motherboard and doesn't need an expansion card, also they have an updated BIOS with support for 101 key keyboards and things of that nature.

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>>56017333
Sold my L5 last year.
Pretty neat machine, but slow af, and would've cost a million dollars to replace the battery or upgrade the RAM.

>>56013286
That's cool, what's it running on?

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>>56010132
>>56010921
>>56012467
>>56015996

This is what it looks like now, a U shape
But I still really need some desks

>>56009941
>Official retro /g/ thread
>Official
What does it even mean? Is there also an unofficial thread, then?
According to oxforddictionaries.com, "official" means "having the approval or authorization of an authority or public body". The question arises spontaneously: who is this authority, this public body, who "approved" your thread in order to enable you to refer to it as "official"? The possible explanations are two. Either you are a liar, and this thread isn't as "official" as you proclaim, or there is an actual authority who has administrative powers and it's in the position to officialize threads. Who is this authority, then? Moot? The mods? Why is this organization unknown to us?

>>56018767
stfu

>>56018767
Someone should email RMS and get his approval.

>>56013286
Holy fuck, Sabrina!

>>56018521
What happened to the Toshiba?

>>56010502
3-4 hours if you have a good battery

>>56013523
The new Crays may be faster, but they certainly will never be as beautiful, physically or technically.

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>>56012222
if I can get around to getting new NVRAM chips I'm going to unironically build a cluster out of the 64-bit ones

>>56019670
Can I do anything with a Sparcstation?

>>56012306
I feel ya on that Indy. Acquired IRIX and got through all the weirdness needed to install it just to have the hdd fail soon afterward :(

>>56019186
I think it's hilarious that one webcomic artist was so enamored with his Amiga that his character is basically the Amiga mascot at this point.

>>56010377
>>56008642
Nothing is impossible with enough time and effort.

What Sun hardware is collectible besides the Ultra 45?

>>56011102
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>56019670
Fuck you Theo!

You can't fool me you Canadian dickhead.

>>56019670
What thinkpad is that?

>>56020404
Not the guy who posted the pic, but it appears to be a thinkpad 600 variant.

>>56020399
you better not be who i think you are

>>56020161
What about a Sun Ultra 10 with a Creator 3D card and 2 300MHz CPUs? 100 bucks, I'd probably offer 50.

>>56019757
I had an Octane once. Got a clean install going, went to bed. Tried to power it on the next day and nothing. PSU died. At least this was the early 2000s when old SGI stuff was super worthless.

>>56017384
From my closet? I was still using them for shit in school in the mid 2000s so why would I throw them out?

>>56019430
its behind the lamp
the other toshiba is with the other laptops

>>56021375
No, the other one.

>>56021549
the dark grey 3200? its behind the lamp

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Any opinion on the NEC Multisync E750?

I can get a mint one for AU$150.

>>56021576
The light grey one.

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I didn't know that ancient solaris versions could run on x86, too

What's the cheapest way of getting downloaded games from my modern PC onto my Commodore 128? sd2iec?

>>56021807
Yes.

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>>56018521
don't you ever worry about dust getting in all those old crevices? maybe i'm just ocd that's all i think of

>>56022268
There is no dust in Japan. It's a clean nation, unlikely your filthy western civilization.

>>56019678
if you have access to older commercial software for the platform, you can definitely put them to work for something new and exciting. they run NetBSD and probably some Linux distros still too, but it unless you're just interested in bare metal shit that takes a lot of the novelty out of it, plus shittier hardware support

used the SS20 to play text games on DOS boxes hanging off of it while it still worked, probably going to set up the SS2 for something similar when I get a new chip for it

>>56020161
depends what you mean by "collectable", 25/45s aren't really anything special, they're just just overvalued by resellers and a e s t h e t i c s-obsessed moddertards who are too hip to destroy G5s like the rest of them, most Sun workstation hardware is pretty iconic or interesting in one way or another

>>56020404
it's a 600E, truly the height of the ThinkPad line

>>56010002

This was my 2nd computer

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>>56022268
thems used to take the time to put cover over it.

>>56019670
Do you have a tutorial or guide about building a cluster? I also have some spare old machines that I want to use for this purpose but I don't know how to amd which software can run on a cluster.

>>56010795
>tfw use to download psx games on 56k.

>>56019979
He made a lot of shit on his Amiga back in the day way before starting the webcomics.
Amy was already a like a unofficial "mascot" way before Sabrina Online was a thing.

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I assume that's the Playboy Bunny? Anyway, this is formatted for an 80 column screen so trying it on a C64 or any other such 40 column one will fail pretty badly.

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>>56020175
You know self made memory expansions for those old XT's and clones have been a thing since the 80's? Nothing new.

>>56022268
What a shame that dust is such a hardware killer, once it gets inside it's impossible to remove and it will eat away your computer!
If someone just made a high pressure can filled with air to blow away all that dust!
Uh?

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>>56018331
Amiga 600

>>56021581
Nah, way to expensive.
I got a 24' MultiSync for 3€, used but never seen the sun.

>>56020031
Exactly, that's why computers are awesome.

>>56018767
>Moot?
Who?

>>56017384
>where do you guys get 3.5" floppies?

I, for once, forge them into existence with my mind.

>>56024879
I tried typing that in on VICE and it takes absolutely forever to draw the bunny thing. Someone should try converting the program for assembly language--it should be cake especially as there's no floating point calculations in there.

>>56025369
>converting the program for assembly language
Good luck anon

>>56024879
I hate entering those giant lists of DATA statements so much.

>>56025369
>>56025383
Coding that in assembly would kind of ruin the whole effect though since it would render the bunny so fast that you'd never see the ears and top portion; they'd get scrolled off the screen the second you start the program.

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>>56025369
>I tried typing that in on VICE
>he uses emulators instead of real metal

>>56025479
Why the fuck would anyone develop anymore on real metal if it's so much fucking easier with emulators?

>>56025493
It's just a BASIC listing. There wouldn't be any functional difference between typing that on VICE and a real C64.

>>56025511
It would still be way faster to type in on a computer and convert it to a wav file and load it on a real C64 then just typing it out on a real C64.

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>>56025479
I'm sorry I don't have a PET 8032 on hand, Anon (I actually tested it with xpet and not x64).

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>>56022268
no because I have a vacuum with a hose and I clean on a regular basis like a normal person

>>56025521
>It would still be way faster to type in on a computer and convert it to a wav file and load it on a real C64
Don't you mean sticking it on a CF card with SD2IEC?

>>56025550
>real metal
>uses shit like SD adapters
topkek

>>56012133
what is this running?

>>56025571
Corel LinuxOS, get some glasses anon.

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>>56025538
Oh.

>>56025597
As I said, that bunny program is designed for an 80 column display and xpet defaults to 8032 mode on startup.

One of the most retarded things about Commodore machines? You can't just overwrite an existing file like on most computers, you have to erase and then resave. Which means a lot of tedious OPEN15,8,15:PRINT#15,"S:FILENAME":CLOSE15 commands.

>>56025695
That's only necessary on the original model 1541 because the Save & Replace command is broken.

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Latitude c600
a few missing keys and networking is broke.

>>56025713
Oh well, I don't remember how to use S&R anyway.

I've never been good at programming beyond the simplest stuff; I can't visualize program structures in my head.

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>>56024879
It looks more like he has a collar rather than a bowtie.

>>56025479
Ugh, I hate that picture, always when I see it the chick in the blue reminds me of my ex.

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>>56026098
>the chick in the blue reminds me of my ex
sure thing

>>56025744
>>56025713
S&R is what you're supposed to use to overwrite existing files, but unfortunately it's bugged on the most common and widely used Commodore disk drive.

>>56026166
That's early Commodore quality cheaping out right there!

>>56026180
Programming oversights are very common and every brand of computer had them. That's not exclusively a Commodore thing.

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The white-cased 1541C made in 1986-early 87 has the S&R bug fixed; that only affects beige-cased 1541s.

>>56026205
Yeah, but Commodore is well known for cheaping out in the times of the company, as much as I love them.

>>56025695
Also Commodore BASIC other than 2.0 has a command SCRATCH for deleting files which means you don't have to type that nonsense.

>>56026275
Yeahyeah I know about the BASIC 4.0 commands. Though they only work on device 8, so if you have multiple disk drives, the others will still have to use the BASIC 2.0 disk commands.

>>56022550
>25/45s aren't really anything special, they're just just overvalued by resellers and a e s t h e t i c s-obsessed moddertards
Yea, that's pretty much what I meant. People want way too much for them and I don't feel like buying one for 2500 dollars.

So do you have an opinion on this>>56020752
machine?

They never bothered taking the dual drive support from the PET drives out of the 1541 ROMs either; stuff like the BACKUP command (used for copying an entire disk) is still there although it's useless.

>>56026349
BACKUP on a dual drive like the 4040 will copy the entire contents of a disk to the other drive in the unit, but it can't copy to a different drive unit.

Also using BACKUP to copy 8050 or 8250 disks (500k and 1MB respectively) on a PET with 16 or 32k of memory must have been hell. Probably take half an hour to transfer the entire thing.

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Here's what I have. 650MHz Pentium III w/128mb ram. I still struggle to get 98Se back in there and then pop some games. ATi Rage LT is the gpu and ES1978 Maestro ZE is the soundcard. The best feature of this laptop is the speakers. Holy bazonkers,they're powerful as hell,and the bass is based as hell. It's a Compaq Armada e500 btw.

Actually the 4040 drives have the S&R bug as well; the 1541 inherited it from them.

From what I understand, it was a side effect of the 8050 DOS being written first and then adapted for the 4040 and it doesn't happen all the time. Apparently triggering the S&R bug is somewhat random and it's more likely when the disk has <100 blocks free. Commodore it also seems were totally unaware of it for years until a computer magazine in 1985 confirmed the existence of the bug and explained the specific cause (something to do with excess file buffers).

>needing random neckbeards to do all the bug testing you should have done before releasing the shit for sale in the first place
I shiggidy diggidy do.

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>mfw those threads always turn into a copy-paste from lemon64 thread

>>56026619
>Commodore it also seems were totally unaware of it for years until a computer magazine in 1985

Then again, maybe not. The DOS source code listing for the 8050 drives has comments in it indicating that the programmers were aware of a potential problem with S&R, but nothing was actually done to fix it. In any case, the 8050 and 8250 aren't affected by the bug.

>>56025744
It's SAVE "@FILENAME",8

>>56026652
I didn't copy anything from there in this thread.

>>56026739
But they end up looking exactly like a thread from there thanks to all those C64 posts.

>>56023153
I have a dust protector plastic for my keyboard

bumping for interests

>>56019670
Interesting! Tell us more!

>>56026408
How are you struggling to install Win98?

>>56027924
He's posting a P3 in a retro thread, obviously he's not a very hardcore computer wizard.

>>56026116
>ineverhadasuccessfulrelationshipandshitpostong.jpg

>>56027940
I have to clean a fucked up 2000 Pro install,and so far no dice,I get access denied. I'll see if installing 98 then erasing the old stuff works
>>56027924
Joke's on you,I've been working with 486 stuff way before I got into this. I began with 486,and then I generally sticked to Pentium 1/Socket 7 stuff,until I got into Athlon XP/Pentium 4/Athlon 64 stuff (except S939,never got around having a board with 939).

As for this laptop,the reason I was struggling is because I don't have any good Live XP boot discs,or else I wouldn't have said it was hard to do in the first place. Anyways I got the 98 install sorted out,I just have to clean up the 2000 install. Any tweaks I should get?

>>56028384
Whoops,reversed the post order.

>>56028384
>what is format c:

>>56028410
My 98 disc is unreadable.

I actually stated I'm installing 98 FROM the HDD.

>>56028432
98 does not even support NTFS, which is what your HDD is probably formatted to

>>56028432
Can't you write a new CD? Or a USB adapter to connect the HD to a PC?

>>56028440
FAT32 is what it's formatted in.

>>56028445
My DVD burner won't write CDs anymore,and I don't have any HDD enclosure. I actually got 98 to run anyways.

What is some retro hardware that is genuinly still useful today? It makes me sad to see all those old computers which just sit unused.

>>56028551
IBM Model M

>>56028551
Useful? In the "browse facebook and watch 4k movies" way?
They still do exactly everything they did back then, play their own games and run their software.

I don't have a single computer that sits unused, they get action all the time.
Only collectors stack their shit to be unused and brag about it.

>>56028596
I had a 286 motherboard as well,but it didn't work due to the barrel battery being killed.

>>56028551
I still use 40+ year old keyboards and mice on my systems, built like tanks and look like art compared to today's stuff.

>>56020161
The Qube series seems pretty rare.

>>56028637
How do you interface with them?
There weren't even any interface devices with common USB, RS-232, DIN or PS/2 interfaces 40 years ago?

>>56028551
Anything with a serial port can still be a terminal, which means email, coding, etc...
Of course that means two computers are doing the work of one, but hey.

>>56028857
How is old hardware in terms of energy efficiency?

>>56028892
It's less efficient than todays hardware. Be logical. My 8088 has a 300W PSU, but actually it never uses that much of course.

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>>56013523
That pic gave me the sudden urge to watch the film related.

>>56028857
>serial
>not having ethernet with RJ45 on your 8 and 16 bit computers

>>56029076
That post gave me the sudden urge to watch the film again.

>>56010671
You retarded? Ever heard of dead CMOS?

>>56029218
>dead CMOS
>dead complementary metal-oxide semiconductor

No, but I have heard about a "CMOS" battery/clock battery, what keeps the nonvolatile BIOS memory alive and the real-time clock going.

>>56029218
>You retarded?
No, but I am autistic, thanks a lot dude.

>>56029429
>Autistic
Same thing.

>>56029978
Kek, no, medically they are two very different things.

>>56030019
In practice, they're two very similar things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTU8WbTbZMI
Do I need to call your handlers?

>>56030046
Am I a bad person because I found this video very amusing?

>>56030109
Nah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE
There's /cow/ on 4chan * 2, you'd probably like that.

>>56030046
That's some pretty hot incest!

>>56030046

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/670921

enjoy

>>56029076
That post reminded me I have this movie on Laserdisc, and a Laserdisc player, and haven't checked to see if either of them work.

>>56030228
That's an autistic masterpiece!

>>56030419
Set them up ant try!

>>56026408
Holy shit, that screens response time, you can actually see two frames at once in this photo.

>>56030550
>a wild french IBM clicky keyboard appeared!

>>56030550
>>56030573
>Anon uses type!
>It's super relaxing!

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>>56030573
>>56030590
That's about the only thing I have to contribute to this thread (also got a german one, found both in dumpsters...). I have a dozen or so of cherry/alps, but not that many good pictures, sadly.

>>56025571
He
>>56025576
is right. Based on based Debian. It was really comfy, it's sad, that Corel abandoned their linux engagement. Draw and Photopaint for linux was also nice.

>>56030660
Very very nice

>>56010133
if you are european it might be an olivetti machine of some sort.

>>56030660
Man, wish I had an Amiga 1200 with cherry keys, too bad they didn't make any 600's with them.

>>56030660
What kind of switches? What do you want for the german one?

>>56030861
>What do you want for the german one?
Handjob?

>>56030889
Nah, that's not my style of paying.

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>>56030861
Got Cherry MY, Cherry ML, Cherry M8, plenty of MX Blacks (old ones), White Alps, BS. I think that's about it ? Been a long time since I looked in my keyboard drawer.
You want to buy the German one ? (the serial number indicate German on wikipedia, but I'm not sure about this because the standard german layout for recent keyboards isn't the same).
I don't even know how much would be a reasonable price...
>>56030889
not me obv.

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Got this. Its missing one whole key and a couple keycaps but i think its a good find.

>>56030984
Sounds a bit like my collection. Cherry everywhere, some white Alps, some mitsumi and some special snowflakes.
What switches are used in that keyboard?

>>56031094
>What switches are used in that keyboard?
Which one ??

>>56031114
this one
>>56030660

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>>56031149
White Alps. Probably my favorite switches, better than MX blues, but the keyboard is sooo clumsy... It was part of a "transportable" computer, with an old LCD screen etc...

NEW THREAD

>>56031340
>>56031340
>>56031340

>>56031216
Nice. I like These compact form. I have a cherry mx 11900 with blacks. Maybe I should solder blues in.

>>56030109
yea

>>56031216
>White Alps.
My nigga.