>FX-8350 performs 18.7% worse on benchmarks than an i7 6700k

It's a house fire.

>>56006218

The average /g/ user isn't intelligent enough to make those calculations on their own. Also when you spend that amount of money you gotta convince yourself that your decision was right; in that sense buying Intel or Apple is like getting an abortion and becoming a bitter woman.

>>56006218
the average /g/ user doesn't buy computers to run cherry picked benchmarks.

>>56006218
single core performance is a joke

Sorry but any i3 performs better than a FX-8350 since the IPC of it is abysmal.

A top of the line Skylake i7 is on a whole different level compared to any AMD has to offer currently.

Don't get me wrong, they're ok chips if you're on a budget and plan to use heavily multi-threading software, but in every other scenario, any i3 would perform the same/better.

>>56006319
I'm using this for transcoding and I currently have a Core 2 Quad Q8400, so it looks pretty sweet.

>>56006218
>Why does /g/ shit on AMD so much?

No idea. I've been running an 8350 since late 2013 or so. IIRC it came out in 2012, so it's a four freakin' year old chip and I still have very acceptable performance. I'm currently running two VMs and about a million browser tabs. I've also run several AAA games from 2015 with zero problems.

An 8350 with 32 gigs of RAM and a couple of SSDs is a nice combination.

>>56006218
Because your average /g/ user buys computer for Windows gayman.

>>56006371
That's what amazes me the most about it, it's a late 2012 chip with 2011 technology that is still kicking ass.

>>56006218
It uses like 3x as much power under load

>>56006383
Like the 2500k?

>>56006319
>IPC
Buzzword that is entirely dependent on the """""benchmark"""""" you run, typically babby video games.

>>56006218
>FX-8350 performs 18.7% worse on benchmarks than an i7 6700k
Answered your question right there

>>56006383
I bought it the time it came out as well, and ran 5-6 VMs, have 30-40 browser tabs at a time, while listening to music, compiling / transcoding. In that sense, the AMD FX is a steal for its price. Sadly, your average users on /g/ only cares how many FPS they can get out of Crysis on ultra settings.

>>56006405
Yes, but you can get a brand new 990fx board easily, unlike sandy bridge where you can only get a P67 board absurdly expensive or used.

>>56006419
True, but then you can get an i3 6100 which offers better performance for anything that doesn't scale perfectly across 8 cores for a similar price.

Another benefit is half the power consumption and ddr4.

>>56006449
>performance
*** in proprietary video games running on non-free operating systems

>>56006449
>half the power consumption and ddr4
That is true, depends on what a user wants really, new tech that's really efficient, or cheaper old tech that still kicks ass but its old.

>>56006371

Because a fucking 5 year old 2500k beats it in performance and power consumption, that's fucking why.

Then you have the typical retards saying: b-but it works fine for me, so it must be good!!
Yeah, and anything past Core 2 Quad will perform even better for you.

>>56006413
>m-muh benchmarks!

So you buy a CPU just to run benchmarks?
If I'm a baby, then you're an autist.

Also, any i5 performs better in benchmarks and any other scenario, except for those heavily threaded bullshit benchmarks which have nothing to do with the real world.

>>56006218
/g/ shits on it because
>muh gaems
>muh TDP

By the way, it only uses ~20% more power than a 6700K.

>>56006460
>performance
>>56006451

>>56006462
that's a LOT. Also, I bet AMD is low balling the power consumption.

When all you do is video games, every piece of hardware looks like a video game console.

>>56006218
see
>>56006238

i have an 8120 home server, i burned myself on the rear of the case topside of the io panel, the VRMs were so hot i could feel the heat radiating a couple inches away

msi 970 board, monster

that was with 2 factory fans added 2 more and better now. they have to move a lot of air to help though

>>56006451
>>56006469

I'm sorry that we still haven't found a cure for autism.

Maybe one day anon.

>>56006319
>i3

spot the /v/irigin, anyone with half a brain would get a i5 at a bare minimum.

>>56006482
AMD's TDP is the maximum power draw at stock voltages.
Intel's TDP is the thermal dissipation solution required to cool the chip.
AMD's 125W TDP is not a lowball figure, it's a worst case scenario, as opposed to Intel's average case 91W estimate.

>>56006498
def need i5 for facebook shitposting and word docs doc

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>AMD still basically used a 5 year old architecture and chips from 2012
>Intel has stagnated so much that a i5 2500k from 5 years ago can beat Skylake chips when overclocked

Computing is dead and it's all thanks to the web generation who don't care at all and just want their facebook to show up

>>56006521
>The 3 things you can do with a computer is games, Facebook and Word
t. /v/

>>56006535
i know, you really do belong there its sad

>>56006535
Daily reminder that simulation fags can fuck off back to /sci/

and Programmer cucks can fuck off back to /prog/

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>>56006554

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>>56006554
a-kay

>>56006554

DELETE TH-

Oh wait, nevermind, everyone knows that AMD CPU's are dogshit except for maybe 2 or 3 fanboys in the entire world.

>>56006568
>let me just fuck this up so nobody can see the shameful single core ranking
>>56006579
>let me just compare an overclocked CPU to a stock CPU
Yeah, ok, thanks Pajeet.

>>56006585
Pretty much. I only post so that innocent fools don't fall for the meme.

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>>56006579
That's 75'c on an NH-D9L as well, not a D15.

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>>56006579
Feels good to trigger Inteldrones

>>56006614
Mine is stock

Look at the cost of a whole system. Nobody just buys a CPU.

>Amd $850 build vs $1000 intel build

>Intel build is over 20% faster and isn't 20% more in total cost.

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>>56006614
Here's the result at 4200MHz which is the 8350's stock turbo.

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>>56006579

My 6700k is almost 2x faster in IPC (the most important thing nowadays)

Top cuck, what were you thinking AMD.

Hope they get Zen right or they're seriously fucked.

>>56006624
>$850 * 1.2 = 1020

off by a whole $20 on a mystery build with made up numbers

>>56006623
Shit nigger what are you doing? At least lock it at 3900Mhz.

>>56006643
It's about $120 more for an Intel CPU and about $30 more for Mobo. You can ignore the triple energy and heat costs (AC) of the AMD chip if you like.

Unless you want to put a fx8350 in a $80 Mobo and have blown vrm in half a year?

>>56006649
My motherboard is old and flips shit when overclocking now for some reason. Doesn't really bother me too much tho. It'll last until Zen/Kaby which is fine with me.

>>56006659
You didn't put it in a 970 chipset did you?

>>56006654
>You can ignore the triple energy and heat costs (AC) of the AMD chip if you like.

More made up figures.

Also lol @ AC being a result of your computer.

And as for builds go I can easily make a AMD and Intel build at nearly the same costs with just as good hardware that will last years.

>>56006667
I have a GA-990FXA-UD3 Rev 1.1 to be exact.

>>56006679
I've seen enough fx8350 builds to see what kind of heat they put out and how much power they take from the wall. My i5 3570k system at 4.4ghz idles with 52w drawn from the wall. Every fx8350 I've seen idles well over 100w.

>>56006707
8120 doing nothing but keeping time and disk integrity - power1: 114.37 W

>>56006718
Yeah, that's fucking awful. I even have an r9 290 with that 52w idle. I'm sure if I took it out and used it as more of a workstation it would be closer to 35w.

>>56006624
Since DDR3 and DDR4 have equalized, comparing the price of the whole system isn't really fair.
FX8350 + Asus M5A99FX = $285 USD
6700K + Asus Z170-A = $483 USD
The price difference is almost 70% more for the Intel system.

>>56006695
Unlucky. I thought that was a good board. I'm doing surprisingly well on an M5A99X EVO R2.

>>56006728
Nobody buys an i7 when money is an issue, it's stupid. The i5 is $100 cheaper and brings it back down to even lower than the $150 gap I estimated.

>>56006741
That's still 50% on the mainboard+cpu

>>56006754
And it's slower at the end of the day.

>>56006754
Yes, then you add the rest of the system and the intel system is anywhere from 10-60% faster depending on what you're doing, for approx 20% more cost which might be negligible from electricity and heating costs.

>>56006707
>52w
>100w
>triple


>http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/10/27/141766341/the-price-of-electricity-in-your-state
>$0.12 per kilowatt-hour in my state
>24/7 uptime for a year
>literally a $50 difference after an entire year at idle speeds
>A few hundred dollar difference after an entire year for full power


Wew, it's almost like you welfare whores and min wags fags really think this is a killer

>>56006765
>20% more cost which might be negligible from electricity and heating costs.
Why the hell do intel dudes think the power cost is gonna shoot up when you're using amd? It would take you years and years to cost the amount of money that would make the intel cheaper, and by then both cpus would be old heaps of outdated shit.

>>56006759
That's not what the thread is about. Price-performance is what it's about, and for multithreaded applications, the FX 8 cores are great economical value.

It's also an argument that /g/ won't get over until zen is released, and there's not really any point arguing over.
I like my 8320, I'm not buying Intel, and that's all I care about.

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Wow so over 3 years you pay just as much and have a slower, louder and hotter system all along. This ignores load electricity which is even more gapped.

What exactly are you even arguing for. You've lost.

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My i5 6600k idles at like 5W and with Kaby Lake their i5's are going to be even better since it's a low power efficiency optimization chip this year.

I literally pay nothing in electricity.

Zen is rumored to be super low power too, but I hope not because AMD deserves nothing good.

The 8350 has the best ipc and the longest pipeline out of all cpus desu its pretty damn good dog

>>56006785
>louder

Inteldrones are really grasping for every step now. It's as if they think only Intel chips can have silent heatsinks or liquid coolers

>>56006801
My nigga, and for what it costs, 8350 owners don't need to go on here and defend their purchase like a bunch of fags because it didn't cost much to begin with.

>>56006218
As a 8350 owner, I am happy with the CPU, but performance is much worse than that in actual software and games.

>>56006809
Okay so you've bought a $50 water cooler for your AMD CPU while intel CPUs can overclock silently on a $20-30 cooler.

You're only digging your retardation further.

>>56006825
>Okay so you've bought a $50 water cooler

Nope, keep trying drone.

> intel CPUs can overclock silently on a $20-30 cooler.

So can AMD, it's okay for you to admit you bought a shitter cooler that requires you to never stress it because it'll become a vroom engine.

>>56006840
Nigga I have a scythe mugen 2 rev b. It was $25 and is like 2 hyper212 in one, with a 800-1500 rpm 120mm fan.

I make good purchases. It means I avoid fake cores with no IPC and 3.5gb ram video cards

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>>56006707
>100
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/6

Lol wasn't bulldozer considered one of the biggest disappointments of all time?

I remembrt waiting on OCN for the nda to drop and seeing nothing but salt about how garbage is was.

It was hyped as fuck by amdrones too, just like zen is currently

>>56006528
Well, yeah. An overclocked core 2 quad can also beat sandy bridge, what's your point?

>>56006872
An overclocked core 2 quad can't beat a overclocked i5 2500k.

A overclocked i5 2500k can beat a i5 6600k overclocked and get higher clocks speeds without massive cooling because skylake is shit

>>56006825
8350 can easily get to 4.7GHz on a 212

>>56006909
This, any voltage where you need water cooling is gonna shorten the life of the chip if it isn't a 9590.

>>56006634
Pretty windy today, huh? You can almost see the tumbleweeds rolling in the place that >>56006614's argument used to be.

>A overclocked i5 2500k can beat a i5 6600k overclocked and get higher clocks speeds without massive cooling because skylake is shit

No it can't. Stop talking out of your ass.

Skylake is about 20-25% better than Sandy Bridge clock per clock, and literally any 6600k can reach 4.5Ghz with ease.

You would need a 5.5Ghz (or more) Sandy to beat a 4.5Ghz 6600k.

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>Zen and Kaby Lake will only be supported on Windows 10 and not 7 or 8

why

>>56006909
>easily
I mean, I have a 8350, and the only stable OC I could get it to was 4.4 (I run 4.3 normally for minimum heat). It could do 4.5, but it kept overheating unless I set the fans watercooling fans to high while playing vidya at which point there would be too much noice. 4.7 would be stretching it.

>>56006954
My 8320 got to 4.5 on the stock cooler..
Did I just win the lottery?

>people complaining about fan noises

I use stock fans that sound like a jet, but barely hear them when I use my good headphones when I game.

>>56006218
>Why does /g/ shit on AMD so much?
You mean /v/tards on /g/. FX series worked well for Linux because virtually every demanding program is multithreaded on it

>>56006952
>will only be supported
Supported on Linux

>>56006976
I wear open backed headphones. Silence is a luxury.
The loudest part of my system are the shitty deepcool fans which rattle.
Fuck deepcool.

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>>56006980
>linux

Oh look, its another tech illiterate retard shitposting about Passmark scores thread.
Passmark is only used by children crossposting from /v/


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1543

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>>56006792
Low power consumption is awesome.

>>56006992
Linux is great.
VGApassthrough for Windows 7.

>>56006992
Literally 95% of /g/ uses Linux

>>56006987
My case fans used to be loud as fuck and then I got a corsair air case or some shit and it's silence. The only thing I can hear now is my cpu fan when under load and at this point there's no reason to buy a better cpu fan for it, but next time I upgrade I plan to. By then I bet my systemw ill be near silent.

>>56007005
how do you see these numbers?

>>56007026
HWiNFO64.

>>56006980
>Linux
No one uses that piece of shit

>>56007277
>I am le troll
>I troll u
>hehe xD
Linux is useful if it's the right tool for what you're doing.
You wouldn't expect a carpenter to use a jackhammer.

>>56006885
nope. I'm also on Sandybridge but Skylake OCs just as well with similar or less power. Not enough to be worth upgrading, but it's basically an improved version of Sandybridge unlike Ivy or Haslel.

>>56006934
Depends on the load. Standard instruction set programs it's NOWHERE NEAR 20-25% faster.

>>56006238
Such bullshit, I have one and it never goes past 30 degrees

>>56007328
The dumb fucks that buy intel chips overly estimate the power usage of an 8350 while forgetting that intel made a 130w nahalem and the fanboys didn't complain about it because they suck intel's cock.

>>56007345

Blue lips and green buttholes. That sums up /g/

>>56007345
>nahalem
Yeah, power consumption was less an issue back then because both AMD and Intel weren't focused on it.

Now you have dual core 54w Intel processors beating an 8 core 125w fx8350 in both performance and efficiency.

54w vs 125w now, or 95w vs 125w back then?

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>>56006554
>+70% single threading
Holy hell

>>56007438
>This site that probably gets money to be biased towards intel says it's fucking 59% better on average when passmark, a combined average run by actual owners of the chip says otherwise.

>>56006554
>43% faster multicore
>>56006634
>9% faster multicore

>>56007488
It is kinda suspicious, though multicore benchmarking can be a strange beast.

>>56007573
It depends on what kind of instructions are used. AMD Bulldozer chips are reasonably strong at multi-core integer performance which is what I'm guessing CPU-Z tests.

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>>56006992
>linux

>>56006909
just as easily as i5 2500k can oc to 4.5ghz since every chip can oc to that on stock voltage like people said?

fuck off i have to use 1.36v to even achieve 4.3ghz and you fuckers hyped me that i can achieve 4.5ghz on stock i even bought skyscaper cooler to cool my fucking cpu i had to play with open case just to fit that world trade center cooler

>>56007600
Is that supposed to be a negative?

For strictly heavy gaming purposes the 8350 kinda blows, I would not pair any GPU faster than a R9 380 or GTX 960 with one. I went from an 8350 to a 4670k recently and never looked back. I had a 390 at the time and was getting pretty poor performance in quite a few of the games that I tried. Yes, I noticed little to no benefit in certain things i.e non-CPU heavy titles and really well optimized stuff but the upgrade was worth it in order to have consistently good performance across the board. You can't exactly eliminate a CPU bottleneck by turning down graphical settings. 40fps in half the areas in Dark Souls 3 regardless of my settings is unacceptable. The 4670k gets me gameplay capped at 60fps with no drops whatsoever and that's something that wouldn't have been possible with my old CPU. I played a lot of games that were facing CPU limitations but DkS3 is the most recent one and the one that pushed me into finally upgrading. The 8350 was fine when I first got it and paired amazingly with my old 7870 but it no longer met my performance needs so I upgraded, simple as that.

>>56007610
how could that possibly be a negative?

>>56006378
Absolutely disgusting

>>56007625
AMD GPUs require a lot of performance in single thread. I don't think the 8350 would be that bad when paired with a nvidia GPU. It depends on game of course, but I have about the same single core performance as a 8350 and my GTX 980 is a bottleneck in all modern games at 1080p.

Dark Souls is probably just a badly optimized game.

>>56006766
>not considering the extra money wasted in A/C during the summer.

>>56007625
I had the exact same result . was planning on zen but that was delayed to 2017 went with a Intel 6600k since my and fx 8320 was feeling slow. Man , what a world of difference in speed , power , and efficiency. My game fps doubled , I finally understand what all the Intel fanboys were talking about. I don't see myself ever buying an AMD CPU ever again. If their company dies nothing of value would be lost.

>>56007712
This.
Went from an fx6300 to an i3 6100 and even day to day tasks like opening files and shit feels snappier.

AMD FX processors just feel like core 2 processors with more cores

>>56007712
There was no delay.
Limited volume end of 2016, full volume in 2017. That was always the time table for Summit Ridge.

>>56007966
I hope zen or whatever it is isn't just a shrink of what they've currently got, but on DDR4, otherwise i'll just stick with buying DDR3 shit.

>>56007966
>limited volume end of 2016
Yeah, as in no volume. Zen will not be available for purchase in 2016, period.

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>>56006238
mine never goes above 60 under load, idles about 30-40.

>>56007928
>AMD FX processors just feel like core 2 processors with more cores

Well, thats pretty accurate.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/700?vs=49

2 module Vishera FX 4300 vs Core2Quad Q9650. You can see they're pretty neck and neck, going back and forth slightly in most test metrics there.
The FX 8350 is extremely comparable to two Q9650s put together in terms of performance.

>>56007987
Zen is a new core architecture, not at all related to the Bulldozer family.

I just hope Zen can compete with Intel at the Core i5 level. If I can get an unlocked Zen CPU for the cost of the cheapest i5 and not lose any performance, I'll finally have an AMD choice I can feel comfortable putting in friends and family machines again.

>>56007606
>1.36v
That's barely more than stock.
Sounds like you just suck at this.

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>>56006218
>18.7% worse
>with twice the cores
It performs worse than my 6 year old Xeon X5650, even in multi-core tasks where it should win because it has two more cores. And I'm only overclocked to 3.8, can probably do at least 4.2.

>>56006579
>>56006623
>>56006634

>>56008091
What's the single core score on the FX 8350?

>>56008091
Oh wow, an equivalent product from the same era performs about the same and costs more!
>95W intel TDP heavily OC'd
You got a nuclear power station there?

>>56008122
~1240 without an overclock.

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>>56006623
>single core score 990
Is this real?

>>56008135
That's worse than my i7 870

>>56006218
>imfuckingplying
it's barely on par with an i5-2400 you nigglet amdrone

>>56008091
>Coming right up on that skylake with the OC
Based socket lga 1366 chip.

>>56008135
Holy crap I'm doing 1670 on my old as fuck 2500k

>>56008148
>>56008161
I'm sorry, is this news?
The FX line is still pretty good value.

>>56008166
>amd cpu's are dogshit
No it's not news, which is why I don't understand what OP was trying to do with this thread.

>>56008181
>what OP was trying to do with this thread
Putting another log on the fire.

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>>56006218
I came here to tell you something,
That's only the autistic people who beat off to
Youtube videos that are 20 minutes long about a guy who gets free PC parts every week and how he made a L33T h@ckzers machine

>Tfw i have over clocked all my amd CPUS for the last 9 years and never had a problem

>Tfw my temps are better then theirs

>>56008201
Post a HWinfo temp, not speccy.

>>56008201
>anime background
>amd cpu
Why am I not surprised

>>56006238
my i5 3570k regularly hits 90C

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>>56008181
The OP is someone who habitually makes these threads, hes a legit autistic NEET who spams Passmark bullshit all the time.
I think hes the same faggot who makes all the Maki posts, and spams the Amada Kokoro copypasta too.

Everyone can appreciate cheering the underdog, and there is something to be said about pointing out niche uses where they apply, but the straight delusion from this asshole is astounding. The whole BD family is plagued by major hardware issues. They're not good. It was an idea that was greenlighted by absent management, changed hands numerous times, had lead technicians up and leave the company, got passed around 3 different CEOs, and it never should have seen the light of day.
The BD architecture is a disaster, though it may offer good enough performance for daily tasks, and be somewhat competitive in highly threaded int bound workloads. No one should ever glorify a disaster.

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>>56008216

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>>56008243
Did I say HWmonitor?

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>>56008219
>On anime imagine Board
>Surprised to see anime

>>56008260
no im not installing your program to prove to you 3/3 that my temps are fine
Nigger

>>56008278
HWinfo is the only software I know of that accurately reads FX and A-series temperatures.
If you want to show off your ice cold FX, you better use it. There's a portable version, and it's open source.
https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hw64_534.zip

>>56008296
God fucking dammit

>>56008230
Isn't it a server architecture that somehow got used for desktop processors?

>>56008080
are you dumb? 1.35-1.40 is max safe voltage,

I5-2500k comes stock vcore 1.20v.

>>56008306
Yup.

>>56008318
Oh, I thought you meant FX. Apologies.
I'm sorry about your silicon lottery loss.

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>>56008296

>>56008201
>path of exile
at least you can rest easy knowing that all the performance issues are developer fuckups and not your shitty CPU :^)

>>56008339
Well shit, that's fucking neato.

>>56008322
Is it a bad idea to buy a used fx6300 if I want to get into video editing as a hobby?

Currently using a Sandy bridge vaio.

>>56008080
>>56008318

I OCed my 2600K to 4.5GHz on 1.26v, and it idles at 1.6GHz at 0.9v :^)

>>56006218
>32nm
>It's a housefire

Only if you're using the pre-wraith stock cooler. Which no-one should be doing unless you're using an AM1 Sempron.

>>56008346
Ma house is burning down

>>56008347
What is the model of CPU you have?
Do you have a dedicated GPU?

>>56008296
Oh really? Nice, I've been using AMD overdrive which is shit. Thought it was the only one to read their retarded algorithm

>>56007606
>>56008350
Also people mean you can OC to 4.5 on 'auto', which is often way more than you need and generally above 1.3. Go look up some 2500K/2600K OC charts.

>>56008306
Basically. High compute power per mm2 for tons of integer throughput would reflect well in a lot of datacenter workloads.

AMD first started talking about Bulldozer in 2005~ complete with marketing slides at some industry events and analyst days. They had envisioned it was a much different beast than it is today. It was going to be a wider design, the highest IPC core they had designed. Turned out that their wide design was larger than the K10 core, so they narrowed it, not that it matters with their front end issues, and laughably slow cache.

It didn't even fit its original intended goal. Its a core architecture that has no idea what it wants to be.

>>56008347
The FX 6300 loses out to a stock i5 2500k at video encoding.

>>56008377
>The FX 6300 loses out to a stock i5 2500k at video encoding.
That's not helpful at all.

>>56008347
If you don't do anything that requires single-core performance, sure. Just don't use "I occasionally edit videos" as a reason to buy a CPU with garbage single-core performance. Keep in mind a 2 core intel packs as much multithreaded punch as a 4 core AMD but doesn't suck at single-threaded stuff.

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>>56007005
I agree

>>56008386
Build an FX8350, all good video editing apps can leverage it, and itll smoke the sandy bridge laptop.

>>56006412
>I don't know how CPUs work, so I'm going to pretend to have a valid opinion

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My 2500k does not seem to clock back in idle situations, I see it dropping to 1.6 ghz a few seconds but then it go's back up to 4.4 straight away.

I have turbo mode enabled, any idea what might be wrong?

>>56008350
good for you

>>56008369

chart doesn't mean shit i tried to oc my cpu in last 3 years and i just can't no matter what and auto 4.5ghz forces my voltage to be 1.45v which is way too high

>>56008430
Check your background processes.

>>56008361
I7 2620., hd 6630m.

Overheats like a fucker with the gpu disabled though.

>>56008377
Are you sure?
By how much?

>>56008406
Isn't video editing something that uses a lot of cores?

>>56008441
2620m*

>>56006244
>>56006218
>Look guys my garbage ayyMD card is only 20℅ behind Intel in this one cherry picked scenario that has nothing to do with regular mainstream applications like gaming.
>Why are those normies such idiots!

Why is every AMD subhuman out there such a two-faced lying cunt?

>>56008432
The chart shows what voltages people are needing to reach what frequencies while keeping stable. And yeah, you got really unlucky with your chip from the sounds of it. It's also possible your motherboard is responsible too; I had a shitty gigabyte and couldn't get past 4GHz stable, but after I picked up an asus z77 off ebay I've been fine.

>>56008441
Intel cores are roughly twice as powerful as AMD ones, and encoding/editing scales linearly with single-core performance too.

>>56008462
>Multi threaded applications are now cherry picked scenarios

>>56008441
The CPU is fine to get to 100'c, even though that seems high, it shouldn't come to any harm.
That's a fairly capable CPU, and even if it is overheating, you should rip that puppy open and replace the thermal compound before considering an upgrade.
It should be running at about 3.1-3.2GHz consistently on a full load, and the GPU shouldn't hurt its performance in a rendering workload.

If the laptop cooling solution is garbage, you could consider going to a desktop, but a 6300 at stock speeds wouldn't be worth the money unless you had other PC components lying around that you don't have to pay for.

>>56008481
AMD: Good at multi-threaded, bad at single-threaded
Intel: Good at multi-threaded, good at single-threaded

Only using multi-threaded applications would indeed be cherry-picking, in this case

>>56008502
Well yeah, the intel single thread is better, it's obvious, that's it's selling point, but all the new games and apps are written to slam out the 8 threads of an i7 , so the 8350 does get taken advantage of most of the time unless its old software, which would still run pretty decent, though not as fast as an intel.

>>56008481
80℅ of games made in last decade still don't use more than 2 cores. Shocking isn't it? I know you're just an autistic cunt but even you have to admit that not everyone out there is actually buying CPUs for rendering. As for "17 percent" which BTW also only shows in autism benchmarks and had nothing to do with actual performance 17℅ can be very subjective in the world of frames. 60 fps is playable, being 17℅ behind suddenly means unplayable shit feast in 40s and stuttering

>>56008339
I doubt your temps are that low with Prime95 load.

>>56008527
I don't think an 8350 would have trouble maxing out a game that's old enough to only leverage two cores.

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>>56008296
OC-ed 6300 with a measly 212 EVO

>>56008532
Shall we see?

>>56008532
Lets see...

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>>56008532
That was weird. 4chan wouldn't upload my photo

>>56008339
cheeki breeki

>>56008500
I'll just need a psu, but I have everything else, even a gtx 680 for video out.

>>56008541
Your garbage CPU can't even max Wildstar and is 30 fps behind Intel.

>>56008571
Wears your hwinfo and fanspeed?

>>56008522
>"but all the new games and apps are written to slam out the 8 threads of an i7"

Yeah, and this is why some of these new games get performance INCREASES when you disable HT on a 6700K.

The reason for this being that these games have very demanding main threads which can't be split across cores, so if they spike too much, framerate will suffer; HT will try to dynamically allocate this process to different cores instead of letting it run on whatever core it started on, actually slowing the execution of it.

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>>56008339
can corroborate temps
>mfw I paired this cocksucker with a fury

Benchmarks are not a proper representation of real-life scenarios.

The vast majority of programs use a single core, and AMD is absolute dogshit when it comes to single-core processing.

Honestly, I kind of pity the kind of person that has to take the obviously worse option just because you save a little money.

Do you also buy one-ply toilet paper just because it's cheaper and you don't mind getting shit on your fingers?

Wait, who are we kidding, Pajeet. Toilet paper?

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>>56008582
still not doing bad
im going to go have a smoke and come back and see if my room is on fire brb.

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>>56008576
Your CPU should perform similarly to mine.
Here's a comparison. The stock 6300 is poor, but overclocking it gives a fair boost and can be done on the stock cooler (albeit noisily).

You'll need an AM3+ motherboard, and at least 8GB DDR3. If that's worth it to you, go for it.

>>56008582
>>56008553
>>56008532
Here it is with Small FTT running after several minutes.

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>>56008626
Forgot the picture.

>>56008637
Thank fuck, I thought I was going blind.

>>56006554
DELETE THIS
DELETE THIS
DELETE THIS
DELETE THIS
DELETE THIS

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>>56008617
Who even cares about temps
What's that 39 ticks until TJmax? Woop.

900 RPM for the win.

>>56008662
you're running a bit hot there on the socket temps. you'll probably never gonna hit those temps in normal usage but just sayin

>>56006218
>>FX-8350 performs 18.7% worse on benchmarks than an i7 6700k

Most of these tests didn't use DX12.

>>56008662
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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It's actually less than 18.7% once you run the benchmarks on dx12.

>>56008621
Have the ram, Just need cpu, board, and psu.

The fx really performs that poorly? Wow, I thought they were supposed to be multithreading monsters

>>56008683
That's not particularly hot considering that's a haswell doing prime95.

>>56006554
the intel cpu is 3 years newer, and is 219% the price (currently)

>>56008716
That's at stock 3.5-4.1GHz (average ~3.9)
Pushed to 4.4, they're decent.
Personally, I wouldn't spend the money unless I was going to make it back with the video editing. A 2620m is plenty for fucking around and learning.

>>56008728
... cont
Especially if you utilize the GPU by encoding with an OpenCL accelerated codec.
Just don't render things out with all the effects until you're done playing around with the cutting and sound, use tricks to speed up the editing process until it's time to actually render it all out. Render small pieces at a time if you need to see the effects on that particular clip.

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>>56008553
>>56006909
>everyone posting nice overclocks with evo
>wonder why my temps shoot up at common overclocks and start throttling
>see this at coolermaster's site
>EU version is suckier than US version
>tfw felling for the EVO meme

>>56008437
thanks

>>56008764
Did they just put a shittier fan on it?

>>56008728
I don't think you understand just how bad the cooling is.
My laptop goes over 80 degrees from web browsing and the one time I loaded up bf4 for the sake of curiosity, it shut down after a few minutes from the heat, and that was with a cooler pad.

>>56008764
First guy you replied to here.
I have the EU version. Just look at my fan speed (1600)
>>56008637

>>56008589
Those are very, very rare.

Most new games definately benefit from hyperthreading, especialy in minimum framerates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxZiksWtRQ

>>56008764
>using the stock fan
Replaced mine with 2 1300rpm case fans in push /pull. Quieter and better cooling.

>>56008781
You should definitely rip that thing open and replace the thermal compound.

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>>56006218
because it does not run heebtel-optimised cowa doodys as well as heebtel pentiums

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>>56008798
Done that, it helped a little bit not much. Maybe ~3 degrees cooler.

Pic related is the cooling they're using for the CPU and GPU. Sounds like a mini jet engine at times

>>56008839
What thermal paste did you use? Shouldn't make that big a difference but maybe you'll be able to shave off 5 degrees with an AC MX4 which isn't electrically conductive (great for peace of mind when applied in laptops).

>>56006460
>work is irrelevant
>games are real life

Am... Am I having a stroke?

>>56008851
Used the leftover paste from my seidon 120v plus that I used in my desktop.

>>56008866
As I said, you'll probably be able to shave off a few degrees using the MX4. When you're hitting such high temps every extra degree lower is important. Still running very hot, that's the problem with laptops that use anything else than integrated graphics.

>>56008839
Shit nigga... What the fuck was Sony thinking?
That's tiny. No wonder it overheats. My E420 has a massive copper plate over the CPU.

>>56008791
6600K vs. 6700K (stock)
3.5GHz vs. 4.0GHz (Turbo boost doesn't come into play if all cores are fully loaded)
6M Cache vs. 8M Cache

60fps vs. 70fps average

Your own video shows that HT does very little. Even looking at the frametime graph, the 6600K is near enough on par with the 6700K in terms of minimum frame time.

>>56008462
>regular mainstream applications like gaming

Who the fuck games on a PC?

>>56008890
Fixed my friends 18 inch alienware a couple of weeks ago, the cooling in that was fucking insane.
Each graphics card had one heatsink with 3 heatpipes and the cpu had a heatsink with 2 heatpipes. One fan for each heatsink but it didn't get loud even when gaming.

Too bad it's a 6KG brick, haha.

>>56008888
Well, I was hoping to get my desktop running too since I managed to fry the mobo earlier this year when the psu died.

Sold the i7 870 to a friend for 30aud since he was on an i5 650.

I could get something like an fx6300+mobo for the same price as an i3 6100 if I buy them from aliexpress, kek.
How likely is it to make my new psu explode too?

This thread is just stinking of AMD shilling.

>>56008930
That was his point (I think) the dude he was replying to was damage controlling about how games could take advantage of 8 threads, but it's some how fucking the framerate up.

>>56008942
Depends on the PSU and if you're gonna overclock or not.

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>>56008944
this
stupid goyim don't know what's good for 'em

>>56008953
If it's an fx6300 then I'll most likely overclock

>>56008945
I'm the guy he was replying to and I was being sarcastic in that comment because there are actually many cases where disabling HT on a 6700K will have zero to marginally positive effect on framerate.

What the video he linked says is that a 3770K has more stable framerate than a 2500K, with both overclocked similarly, but there's more than just HT involved, as the 3770K has better IPC and cache, and we then see HT in the GTAV benchmark doing absolutely nothing for the 6700K.

>>56008990
Get a EVGA Supernova GQ or G2 then whichever you find cheaper. 0% chance of blowing up.

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>>56008991
>there are actually many cases where disabling HT on a 6700K will have zero to marginally positive effect on framerate
Not in new games
>with both overclocked similarly,
They weren't overclocked similarly, in fact the 2500k was clocked higher, 4.6 ghz vs 4.4 ghz on the 3770k, that alone would make up for the minor IPC difference.

The big difference in minimum framerates is definately because of the extra threads of the I7

Other reviewers have reported the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWMlJeEzf8


Here is a comparison between a 2500k and a 2600k, no IPC difference there, and a bit more cache is not going to account for such a huge difference in minimum framerate, new games often definately benefit from the extra threads of an i7

>>56008990
Literally any 550W+ power supply with at least a silver 80+ rating will do.
the 6300 will draw ~120W overclocked.

>>56009128
The quality of the ripple suppression will affect overclock stability though. Power draw alone isn't enough to decide which PSU to buy.

>>56006371
This, i have a fx 6300 and an FX 6350 and use em for video editing, transcoding ecc, since most of that kind of programs use well multithreading they're good, considered you can get em for 130€ or less new...

>>56009140
The motherboard is more important than that, and i wouldn't worry about ripple suppression unless you were pushing an insane OC, and it's too costly to go alongside a second hand 6300.

>>56009150
Depends where your priority stands. I value having a quality PSU above most other components.
Using a GQ right now with an FX 6300. If I had the chance to buy a new PSU it's still go for this.

>>56009147
>>56009159
But yeah, you need a mobo with 8+2 power phase design if you're gonna OC. Using a GA-970A-UD3 for that which is the best budget mobo for OC-ing imo.

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>>56006766
>Buy AMD to save money on your build
>Lose the money you saved in the first two years on power consumption alone

AMDfags blow themselves the fuck out constantly.

>>56009217
You takes always forget that intel also uses electoricity

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>>56009254
>mfw AMD is still a 240w housefire that can't compete with an 80w Intel

>>56008201
>using uTorrent

>>56009254
Right, but AMD uses MORE power, which means it COSTS MORE TO RUN.

How hard is that to grasp?

It's like two cars that get "similar performance" but one gets 30 miles to the gallon and one gets 15. They might be "similar" and the 30mpg car might cost more, but the money you save on the car with shitty gas mileage will be lost in the process of owning it since it will cost twice as much to operate. So you might save 1000 dollars on the sticker, but you'll spend that money on EXTRA gas in the first couple years, and that is a permanant investment. Gas mileage never gets better without gimping your car and power consumption never goes down without gimping your chip. So you might spend extra money INITIALLY to buy Intel, but you only spend that money ONCE. The extra money AMD costs you in power happens every single day forever.

Do you get it now?

>>56009318
Is still no where near two years. They eight

>>56009254
no
with intel when you buy the cpu with more mony
the electric forces is inclusioned into the price of mony you pay

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>>56009318
Most people on /g/ probably do not directly interact with their electricity bill.

I have pretty much every electronic device that's useful but my bill is less than $30/Mo and I never have to use the AC unless I'm having rough sex in the living room.

The savings on my electric bill by using an Intel CPU directly correlates to the low daily cost of living, which also increases funds available to fuck whores in the living room with most comfortable heat conditions due to low power use of my electronics choices, leaving the AC with an easy job of only dealing with body heat instead of burning vrms at the same time.

>>56006218
Let's compare single thread performance, something that actually matters for now.

>>56008226
There's something wrong or you're running a silly OC on a stock cooler. My i7 3770 maxes at 75C. 68 if I disable turbo, and that's a XPS 8500.

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About to purchase a used 3770k.

I'm a bit weary of the scratches on the surface of the die, is this anything to worry about? He also send a picture of the back and I didn't see any bent pins.

>>56009498
At what speed do you have it oc'd?

>>56006218
What benchmarks are you looking at?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1543?vs=697

>>56006415
Crysis isn't CPU-bound you dumb fuck

>>56009537
It's not. It's a Dell.

>>56009522
Looks fine. That's just thermal compound.

>>56009522
If it's a good deal don't worry about those scratches. Could possibly affect the cooling by about 1C.

>>56009522
>He also send a picture of the back and I didn't see any bent pins.
Good fucking lord these people.

>>56009522
>>56009604
Okay cool, I'm gonna stick a massive scythe mugen 2 on it anyway, so temps should be fine.

It was either this one for 140 euro, or a 2600k for 110 euro.

I figured I might aswell get the 3770k since it uses less power, and has a better memory controller so I should be able to run higher speed memory stable with it (can't get anything higher than 1866 mhz stable on my 2500k right now).

The 2600k is the better overclocker, obviously, but I figure from what I read I should be able to get the 3770k to 4.3/4.4 ghz with a proper cooler, at which point it would be about equal to a 2600k at 4.6/4.7 ghz.

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>>56009605
What?

>>56009634
Those arnt pins

>>56009634
All the pounds are bend you morons

>>56009407
So AMD is faster despite costing less than 1/30.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2721&cmp[]=2491

>>56009698
what

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>>56009634
dude it doesnt have any pins it will not work. if it doesnt look like this u are getting scamed

>>56009719
>>56009698
They are messing with you man, it looks fine.

>>56009725
GO BACK TO R'EDDIT GOD DAMN

>>56009719
>>56009725
Thanks m8, I've never replaced my cpu by hand so far so I'm easily trolled on this.

Last time I replaced my cpu it was already mounted on a new motherboard

>>56009318
If there is a $150 initial price difference and a $50 difference in electricity it would take 3 years to meet the cost of that intel.

This is at 24/7 365, which the average person doesnt do. Which means in reality it would be even longer.


Math is hard

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>>56009742
Delete this

>>56006412
You're fucking retarded, go sit on a cactus and rotate

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Buying an amd cpu or gpu is just asking for trouble. Sure you save a few coin, but is it worth the headache?

>>56009814
What headache?

>>56009768
>half the performance
>greater TCO
>dumps more heat into your room
There's a reason it's such a bad buy.

>>56009903
That doesn't change what i said, keep digging inteldrone.

>>56009906
>half the performance
>greater TCO
>dumps more heat into your room
Why are you paying more for less?

>>56009820
Well amd gpu's for example. Run hot, loud, consume more power, worse drivers, terrible driver support on new game releases to be more specific, overclocking headroom is abysmal. Compared to its nvidia counter part, it's not worth 30-40 bucks in savings to deal with this shit.

Amd cpu's just suck plain and simple. If your friends ever want to play dayz or arma, you'll get btfo. With every gpu relase you'll be wasting money as your amd cpu is always the bottleneck. Just ask anyone that has upgraded to intel.

>>56008589
>HT will try to dynamically allocate this process to different cores
you have no idea what HT is.

>>56009922
You arent, math is hard for people like you isnt it?

>>56009924
My R9 390 disagrees, its okay if you have to lie to make your own purchase justified, i understand insecure people need this boost.

>>56009939
>all his savings and then some sucked right out the power outlet
Why are you paying more for less?

>>56009969
>i cant do math

Okay then friend

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the real story

>>56009975
>All his savings and then some sucked right out the power outlet, as all the math shows.
Why are you paying more for less?

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>>56009956
Are you even trying? How exactly did your 390 prove me wrong? Did you get a whole 50mhz overclock on core?

>>56006218

>FX-8350 performs 18.7% worse on benchmarks than an i7 6700k

While having single core performance on the level of i5-750 I use right now.

Dont get me wrong, using AMD CPU for multicore software is fine, but most of everyday uses (and gaming) is singlecore.

>>56009980
The performance of those CPUs is not even comparable, and the AMD system is shit tier. Logisys makes Diablotek tier PSUs.

>>56009985
So what third world shithole do you reign from that $150 over three years in a hypothical situation amounts to your entire savings?

Dont tell me youre a chinese sweatshop worker....

>>56009980
The sad thing is this is probally a major expense for you, pajeet

>>56010006
Why are you paying more for less?

>>56006218
I feel bad for people picking up this piece of garbage new, when they could get a used i7 3770k or sandy bridge I7 for the same money that absolutely assblasts it in every possible area.

>>56009996
>hot
Nole
>loud
Nearly silent on my model, maybe you should stop buying reference blowers
>poor drivers
Never had issues
>terrible support
See above
>consumes more power
Only one you even remotely have a point on and its a non issue for me since its nearly idle most of the day or off.

>>56010017
Okay pajeet

I actually wonder what this guy is doing or has to have such low temps with that processor.

>>56009980
>$234 cpu is expensive
It's pathetic you haven't been successful enough in life to think $234 is chump change

>>56008226
stock cooler sucks desu.
my first gen i7 also went full lava mode, but with an evo212, it's all good.

>>56010004
it isn't. One would be in a pc computing and one would be in a box sitting there. Triggered by all that performance/$ ???
>>56010013
Intel build wasn't expense for you? Did mom or dad buy it?

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>everytime someone post their temps they have low as fuck temps
>have a be quiet cooler
>good fan curve
>still somehow my CPU never shows as low as these people

I don't get it

>>56010060
I'm guessing I'm double your age and muh build was $1400ish

>>56010060
AMD would be sitting on a pile of ashes because it'd catch fire within ~10 hours of purchase due to the shitty PSU.

>People buy more than 4 cores

Man you people are dumb. Most games can barely take advantage of 4 cores alone.

>>56010063
>doesn't show clocks
>doesn't show volts
>doesn't show fan speed
Well that's useful.
67W says you're probably running a suicide overclock, so there's that.

>>56010085
>implying that games are the only thing that exists in this world
I can use my cores just fine, thank you very much

>>56010085
You posted that without the least bit of irony. Try again, pajeet

>>56010030
nobody ever said it was expensive just that you can build an ayy amdee pc for the price of a cpu

btw the iGPU on tat $70 chip is better than the skylake.
>>56010072
you're 36? and still a virgin, sad.
>>56010076
45/65w apu could run on a wall wart

>>56010085
>Most games can barely take advantage of 4 cores alone.

You're wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxZiksWtRQ

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>>56010087
I have given up on it, so I don't care as much, maybe when I build a new rig.
I have it at 4.2ghz

>>56010090
>he's sitting at idle
>he's paying as much to sit at idle as I am at 100% load

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JUST

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>>56010085
>games

>>56010104
>45/65w apu could run on a wall wart
NOTHING is safe to run on that PSU. NOTHING.
Not even a fucking atom.

>>56006218
my 4.5ghz aircooled i5 2500k is faster and more stable than that piece of turd

>>56010106
It's not like you're anywhere near the danger area.

>>56010109
I bet I have lower power consumption than you both idle and load.
Unless you literally have a sub 75W 14nm processor.

>>56006415
This, AMD cpus are a bargain for 90℅ of consumer userbase, the only intensive single threading programs are muh gayms which are coded by nigger trannies

For every other use an fx shits on the Intel counterpart, especially when they launched in 2013.

>inb4 every application is single threaded
The average indian text editor or internet browser isn't capable of filling even a single AMD FX core like games do because they aren't really that intensive, and you also got the advantage of being capable of executing 8 of them because the OS manages to transfer the load across the 8 cores

Tl:dr you have no excuse in getting an intel cpu unless you play shit games or need enthusiast grade power only available on 2011 and xeon platforms

>>56010119
>triggered by all that perf/$

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>>56010152
>For every other use an fx shits on the Intel counterpart

No they don't

>>56010104
The whole point of this thread was to illustrate the lower cost of the 8350 vs the performance. It is really, really sad people choose the vastly lower performing option because they are too poor to afford a fucking 6600k. I am genuinely sorry for someone who buys a 8350 in (current year.)

>>56010129
Yes, but when I see someone having 40c temps or lower on their god dam processor, while running benchmarks it kinda makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.

I just don't get it.

>>56010179
Nobody is getting 40 degrees on their cpu while running benchmarks, maybe if they are at stock while watercooled, but who the fuck runs their cpu at stock when they have watercooling

>>56010112
>2500k

Best purchase I've ever made.

>>56010187
I have seen my friends get it, while not being watercooled.

hell even the anon here got his FX at low as temps.

>>56010041
Tbh stock fan isnt that bad. In my opinion most people have bad temps because poor cases and shitty fans.

I recently switched to a Carbide Series® Air 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case on both my intel main desktop and old piledriver server , both with stock fans, and saw close to a 15-20 degree drop in temp. This is all thanks to the Direct Airflow Path™ design which puts only the components needed to be cooled in the front comparment while the rest are in the rear. Thus not blocking or eating up air flow.

And sound? Non existent thanks to the AF140L 140mm fans. The AF140L is based on the award-winning AF140 and provides great airflow performance at lower noise levels than typical case fans.

>>56010179
Whats your voltage, cooler, and case setup? You do realize benchmarks are close to useless in the real world? It's just e-peen. If it's like your results, you probally won't ever encounter a situation that puts that much stress on your system. If anything, you didn't win the silicon lottery, and you have a "ok" chip.

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>>56010196
the shilling is real

>>56010179
What's your cooler? You are cooler at 4.2 than my i7 3770 is at 3.7 turbo on the stock Intel HSF. (75C)

>>56010218
>>56010106
s340 + 2 more fans from fractal design + bequiet cooler
I even begin to think it's the case sometimes.

>>56010087
>>56010247
That one didn't capture the temps so well.
This is how it mostly is with the test.
>>56010218
Also I know about the benchmark mostly being for e-peen but even idle temps aren't as low as other people, like 10-20c higher. that to me is what makes me salty.

>>56010262
I looked again and 40's are a bit too high for idle. New paste time? You buy that cpu new? Unless you live by the equator with no ac, it's a bit warm. That case looks decent enough to provide enough airflow with the extra fans. You have the two in the front as an intake and the one at the back as exhaust?

>>56010262
What is your fan curve set to? Does it get in any way loud at those temps? My 212 EVO only goes up a touch to keep me at 58C at 4GHz (i5 4670k stock volts). If you're not hearing much of anything you may not have it set to really come on until it hits those temps.

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>>56010262
Sounds like you need to remount your heat sink.

>>56010346
>You have the two in the front as an intake and the one at the back as exhaust?
Yes
>New Paste Time
I don't know been like less than 6 months probably since new paste.
>CPU
Has been around 3-4 years since I got it? I think.
>>56010370
Nah mostly my GPU fan is the loudest fan I hear to be honest.
>>56010401
I don't think so.
To be honest, even when installing my new cooler there was almost no difference. it felt like a waste.

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Reminder that VIA is catching up to AMD

>>56010172
smug nigger, I can't even afford a 8350

>>56010513
Btfo

>>56010445
Change the fan curve. Set your current ~70/75C point to 63. See what happens.

>>56010529
Wew a VIA is catching up to a decades old athlon

>>56010513
>8370

>>56010513
What site is this?

Dunno. I bought shares in and when they were just under $2. It's trebled in value.

Never believe /g/

I cant wait to see the intel tears when Zen comes out with haswell performance but 8 real cores and 16 threads and better overclocking to beat kaby and skylake

>>56006238
Mine stays at 60c, always, even on idle.