> Have shitty old netbook, replace HDD > Fresh install

>>56001820
Mint handles trackpoint-scrolling *way* better than Windows 10 on my ThinkPad X200s. It also wakes up faster while Windows sometimes doesn't wake up at all for some reason. I really wish Mint wasn't as bloated and would allow for a custom installation where you can select packages manually. Oh, and I'd much rather have OpenBox or some other light-weight WM instead of full-blown Desktops.

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>>56001820
>he fell for the Linux mint meme
It fucked up my laptop pretty bad, but regular Ubuntu managed to run just fine.

Why would any sane person choose mint over Ubuntu or Debian?

>>56001820
>>56001890
isnt the mint site almost constantly compromised?

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>tfw you fell for the debian meme

R E K T

>>56001914
>>56001909

Last time I checked, which was a long time ago, Ubuntu was a meme distro and nothing worked. Thought I would give mint a go and it was fine.

Getting curious about Ubuntu now. Its been about 10 years since I last installed it.

>>56001945
Ubuntu always worked great for me, I dropped 8.10 though after discovering my games wouldn't run, but now I'm running Ubuntu mate 16.04 and it's running flawlessly on my d2500 atom.

Mint was noticeably more sluggish, even on mate instead of cinnamon and it was pretty buggy, I tried mint 17.1 though, not sure about 18.

>>56001820
You got lucky. Mint didn't have drivers for mine. I had to connect via ethernet in order to download them.

>>56001820
Well Linux drivers get updated while Windows drivers are from 2005-06 with a new GUI

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>>56001820

>>56003881
>People still falling for this Meme-Pasta
KEK

how the fuck does mint not have wifi drivers? i dont give a shit about mint or use it. I am on windows. But I know damn well it literally ha slike %95 of them lol

>>56003936
It didn't on my Samsung laptop, but Ubuntu 15.10 did.

Mint is an outdated piece of shit

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>>56001820
mfw Debian doesn't have wireless driver after being installed.

>>56004233
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

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>>56003936
>>56004175
Running mint and lubuntu on my aspire 5560g. For some reason lubuntu works great for browsing and all the graphics seem smooth where as mint doesn't. It's almost as if it's missing a driver but nothing shows up in the driver tab on either lubuntu or mint and yet it just works better on lubuntu.

Any clues?

>>56004293
That's just mint.
Mint with mate ran more sluggish and used more cpu% than Ubuntu mate did on my old d2500 netbook.

>>56004472
Even windows runs better than mint. I have a feeling the hardware is not being used at its potential.

So if i installed cinnamon on lubuntu, it should be faster, no?

>>56004500
Faster than mint, but not faster than lxde.

Have you tried lxqt? It looks nicer than lxde imo

Samsung cock sucking in supporting there devices. I got a samsung

Debian minimal installation. with no DE. just install i3 windows manager on top.

>>56004538
Nah, I'm using xfce right now. The start menu is dreadful though but lxqt looks good. I need to uninstall the 5 other de's I've tried first haha

https://i3wm.org/

>>56002000
>>56000000

>>56001820

Did you try finding the hardware device ID in the device manager and then using pcidatabase to lookup your wireless card and then searching the manufacturer website for drivers?

I usually just extract the .exe and point the device manager directly to the driver folder.

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I know that feel op been trying to install Windows 7 with proper drivers for a dell laptop I am going to be using for Uni. After several days of shit luck with all the drivers I have given up and am going to be installing Fedora for actual use.

>>56004911

I have always been able to use the generic manufacturer drivers for various laptops. Forget the dell website or those shitty driver sites. Figure out what parts are in your computer and go to the manufacturer.

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>>56004938
Other Reason is because I am going to Uni soon for Computer Science (inb4 cs maymay) and when I sat down and talked with my main instructor He told me we would be using mostly Fedora 23 & Red Hat. So I Figured might as well dive straight in.

>>56005012
Sydney uni? We used Fedora there

>>56005048
Unfortunately No Tech School In the Midwest of the USA

>>56005108
Go to bed Randy

>>56005108
You are fucking retarded, there are plenty.

>>56005144
No I meant I am going to a tech school in the midwest sorry for poor grammer & word choice

>>56005169
Well Fedora is a nice distro.
Currently using it with mate and only issue I have is midori not loading YouTube videos.

Opera works great though, at the cost of much more ram usage

>>56001936
What problems did you even have with Debian? I bet they were trivial.

>>56001890
Net install

>>56004631
Install whisker menu, you'll love it

>>56001820
>Win 7-32bit
>32bit

There's your problem

>>56001909
>Why would any sane person choose mint over Ubuntu or Debian?

Because saying the name doesn't make you a tool.

>>56001820
>falling for the most unsecure meme distro

kys

windows 7 is very old.
Ubuntu 8.04 didn't have wireless drivers for many laptops either.
I don't know why /g/ loves windows 7 as if it was some sort glory days for microsoft.

>>56001820
Windows 7 has poor driver support.
Practically nothing on my 2013 laptop works out of the box.

>>56001909
>Why would any sane person choose mint over Ubuntu or Debian?
LMDE exists. But mostly because Cinnamon is one of the few sane desktop environments.

>>56001890
just install debian

>>56009244
I haven't tried cinnamon. Why would you say it is worth using?

>>56009267
It's similar to windows, but better.

Why would any sane person choose mint over arch?

>>56009298
What makes it better than mate, lxqt, or budgie?

>>56003881
>they do not care about copyright and license issues

How is that a bad thing?

>>56009363
How isn't it?

>>56003927
Really good response tripfag. I'm more persuaded by your "this is meme-pasta" argument versus an actual page of arguments.

(Fuck off)

>>56011847
You should be considering they can't even make any arguments themselves and just spam copy-pasta instead.

>>56012941
Saying "they just spam copy-pasta" still doesn't rebut any of the points it makes. If you're so confident, then make a copy-pasta reply that debunks all its points. Otherwise fuck off (or do anyway, tripfag).

>>56001909
Why would any sane person choose Ubuntu or Debian over Arch Linux?
:^)

>>56013037
They just post it, and if it gets rebutted, they simply don't care and post it again next thread too, then next thread, then the next one, then the next one . . .

That's just retarded. The point is that people rebut this shit all the time, but the poster doesn't care cause they just spam the copy-pasta and move on. Contributing to the spam won't fix anything. You're better off just laughing at anyone that tries to argue with parroted meme-pastas.

>>56003881
So much effort spreading FUD instead of doing actual contributions. That's why we can't have nice things.

>>56009324
Not that anon, but:
Active corners
How windows and virtual desktops are managed
It can be bastardized to a certain degree

>>56009307
>sane person
>arch

Pick one

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>>56001820

>>56009244
You can install cinnamon on both debian and ubuntu

Debian is still using version 2.2 and ubuntu cinnamon crashes with nouveau drivers

But you can

cubuntu.fr

>>56015752
what is backports...

>>56013252
Sounds like you haven't tried the other DEs

>>56003927
migrating from windows, trying to decide between ubuntu and mint, could you explain why this isn't accurate?

>>56017926
Just use Ubuntu, trust me. Mint is more hassle than it's worth.

I tried 17.3 and it was a buggy mess on my laptop.
Worst part was that even though it used less ram than Ubuntu, it somehow managed to perform worse in regular use like web browsing and shit

>>56017926
Just installed Mint 17.3 Cinnamon a week ago on my 2010 HP g72 laptop. No regrets, Win7 always ran like shit on it even when it was new. It overheated all the time, took 5 minutes to recognize USB devices, constant instability, etc. Everything works fine on Mint with none of the issues I had with Win7, the superior font rendering alone was reason enough to switch.

>>56017977
>>56018082
>I tried 17.3 and it was a buggy mess on my laptop
> installed Mint 17.3 Cinnamon a week ago on my 2010 HP g72 laptop. No regrets
What?

>>56018120
different people with different outcomes that differed what they feel about mint

>>56018120
The guy that installed 17.3 a week ago is a liar.
Mint 18 has been out for a while now

>>56018148
All of the previous versions are still available for download. 18 isn't stable yet so I went with 17.3, this is my first time using linux.
>https://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/linuxmint.com/stable/

>>56018204
Lol, okay buddy.
Enjoy using Linux mint "stable"

17.3 was so bad the wallpaper would reset to the default Linux mint wallpaper at least once a week

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>>56017926
Mint is just better for the user. Cinnamon is especially good for people migrating from Windows since you will feel right at home with it.

Now, I am not going to waste time going over each of those items since they really won't matter to you, but I will touch on the one that will.

The image is bitching about how some of the ISOs come with codecs and shit. It's clear they are just bitching and moaning because their distro of choice doesn't do it. But the truth is, it just makes shit easier for you. You music and video files are more likely to just work because of it, rather than you having to try to fight with it, and figure out why they aren't playing.

What's more is that it was never an issue anyway because you could just choose to download the ISO without the codecs if you really cared.

So basically the entire image is a hit piece by someone that hates Mint but never actually took the time to look into it for real.

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>>56018235
>not using the default wallpapers or bliss
People do this?

>>56018235
Werks on my machine™ :^)

>>56018256
t. Someone who doesn't use mint

>>56018264
Yep

>>56018256

explain this though >>56018144

>>56018304
I dual boot Windows and Mint, so eat a dick.

>>56018256
>recommends the worst distro, full of security holes and broken packages
>tripfag

You're pure cancer.

>>56001914
Feb 20th, 2016.

>>56018295
>>56018256
>>56018204
>>56018082
>>56018332
>always do the opposite of what g says

>>56018335
Works on my machine.

>>56001820
>How did Win 7 miss such a basic thing?
Why would you ever use Windows built in drivers anyway?
The issue here is Samsung being retarded with their driver packages, not with Windows.

>>56018361
Why do people feel the need to lie on an anonymous image board?

>>56009223
>I don't know why /g/ loves windows 7 as if it was some sort glory days for microsoft.
More like it was the last time they shipped something that was not horrible.
Their glory days were way before 7.

>>56001820
>replace HDD
>doesn't backup drivers
welp

>>56018436
XP was their Glory days. 7 was just the first replacement that they offered that wasn't complete garbage. 98, XP, and 7 were surrounded by tons of crap.

>>56018400
what are you on about?

>>56018295
I got stuck using mint for about four months. I was busy, didn't have an external HDD, and already had partitioned my drive to shit. then windows died and somehow took down debian with it. I had a mint cd from when I was showing my brother some loonix basics, told him to learn what he needs and then take the training wheels off, and gave him a list of good distros, like arch and debian.

Like what I remembered from way long before, mint os is never goddamned stable. It accrues weird errors like oem windows installs do—randomly deciding the program association audio files is, and will always be, banshee, even if it is not installed and if you write over the association; breaking the interface by making transparencies show up with weird pixels; randomly uninstalling graphics drivers; some apps settings getting forever stuck, regardless of uninstalling, purging, and painstakingly manually checking dependencies; weird-ass network errors that appear and disappear; and so on—and they always happen after it updates. As a matter of fact, it reminds me of ubuntu spin-off distros.

But it werks, though only barely. It's like you're hitchhiking and a shiny car pulls up, you get in, but halfway to the next city it's sputtering and hiccoughing so bad it's making you reevaluate your life choices.

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>people recommending Linux mint ITT
>an OS using an outdated kernel and outdated drivers to emulate stability, but still manages to be a buggy mess.

There is no reason to use anything but Ubuntu or Fedora with your choice of DE.

>he is too dumb to use windows
Windows is the most easiest os installation known to man and you manage to fuck it up

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>>56018540
>there are people ITT recommending Linux mint 17.3
Always do the opposite of what g says.

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>>56018541
>most easiest

>>56018740
I think that was on purpose

>>56017926
Look, Mint is Ubuntu. They are the same. Consider Mint the Cinnamon spin of Ubuntu. Mint is a Ubuntu that just has a well-integrated Cinnamon as the desktop environment and some particular programs made by the Mint team. The selection of packages installed by default and the default settings vary between Mint and Ubuntu as well, but remember those are just defaults, you are supposed to change them to your liking. End of the story.

Regarding the picture you asked about:
>First
Mint is Ubuntu. Mint's CVEs are Ubuntu's.
>Secondly
Mint is Ubuntu, but Ubuntu with an additional repository for the core Mint shit, like Cinnamon, Nemo, Mint-made programs and some other common software. Software in this Mint repository is in theory built to be compatible with software in Ubuntu's repositories. Pic says that "results in system updates becoming unpredictable" and it may be true, but what I can tell you is that I didn't experience any problems with updates on Mint (used it for two years).
Also, the reason some packages are blacklisted by default isn't related to this; it's indeed in order to guarantee stability, but not because Mint having an additional repository make Mint unstable, but because updates in general can cause problems (or solve them), which is true for Mint, Ubuntu and every OS, and the Mint devs decided to disable updates for critical packages so that no problems appeared for novice users. Anyway, it's true that disabling some packages from updating by default is kinda retarded because you miss security updates for those packages, but remember defaults are there to be changed (it takes like two clicks).
>Thirdly
Well, yeah they fucked up that original mdm package. True but not a big deal. Their "X apps" didn't hijack any packages AFAIK, by the way.

(to be continued)

(continuation)

>>56019256
Here are other negative/whatever things about Mint:
- Firefox comes with its search engines changed so that Mint can monetize searches from Mint. I personally hated this. There was some package you had to uninstall in order to stop this.
- No firewall by default (this may have changed). You can (should) install and enable ufw to solve this, but you need to configure it in order to torrent, etc., or for shit like UPnP in general. Because of the needed configuration I suppose it didn't come by default, but a firewall is important.
- No apparmor by default. While apparmor is kind of a meme, you can install it if you want it.
- All necessary media codecs to have full multimedia support, which implies some proprietary or patented codecs are installed by default (patents aren't an issue outside USA, by the way). I think this changed (was "solved", if this was ever really a problem to begin with) in their last release.
- Flash (proprietary) by default.
- Java by default ([The "Java is bad" meme intensifies]).
- Non-free (as in freedom) RAR extraction support by default (there's free version but it doesn't let extract some types of RAR).
- Mint doesn't have a standard way to upgrade from a release to another. I think this changed recently.
- They have a LTS strategy now, so they only use the LTS versions of Ubuntu as the package base for Mint. Ubuntu LTS releases happen every two years. This means for two years Mint releases have the same, outdate package base (two years outdate at most). Note that the kernel can be updated nevertheless.
- Their website was hacked for hours some day some time ago, which meant some people downloaded a fake Mint ISO. Bittorrent downloads weren't affected. This was a WordPress problem. They fixed it. Remember to always check sums.

But honestly, Mint is just Ubuntu. Change deafults as desired. If you want Cinnamon, go for Mint. If you want any other DE, go for the respective Ubuntu spin.

>>56018485
>As a matter of fact, it reminds me of ubuntu spin-off distros
Because that's what Mint is

>>56001945
I had Ubuntu until maybe 12.10, and it was good for me then.

>>56019256
>>56019279
Looks fine, since I'll be dual booting I'll try it,

>>56019256
>>56019279
Mint is a rip off of Ubuntu, not a spin.
There's a difference.

>>56019330
I recommend trying Ubuntu and mate, the difference will be like night and day, mint is just that far behind Ubuntu. Cinnamon is a nice DE though

>>56019519
Ubuntu and mint *

>>56003881
Confirmed: https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules

>>56019600
Why the hell would one use a distro that literally needs to block kernel updates so it doesn't fall apart?

>>56019611
17.3 here (not interested in 18 for now).
Originally 17.1, then 17.2, them 17.3.
All updates enabled, also kernel (4.4.0-34-generic now).
0 problems.

>>56019611
looks mint its a cutting-edge distro like arch.

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>>56019656
>mint 17.3
>buggy piece of shit
>performs worse than any other distro

Yeah, pic related, don't install mint

>>56019691
"no"

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>>56019691
no problems here. you are just retarded that cant fix a prob.
the performance its perfect, using wine for play mmorpg, virtualbox to photoshop, torrent stuff to a ram folder and conky running, without performance loss. I cant believe i didnt found this Mint OS sooner.

Mint is essentially Ubuntu LTS, which is not something I recommend (it's not bleeding edge enough). Ubuntu's LTS can get so old that it falls behind Slackware.
Just go with a more up to date Ubuntu.

>>56019832
If you want bleeding edge then go with the LMDE version of Mint.

>Why did mint "just werk?"
Because install gentoo

dude 2 years max, and you can use PPAs for specific shit

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Former Linux mint user here. Do not install.

>Wi-Fi drops out every few minutes
>wallpaper resets itself every few days when I boot up
>mint forgot my root password after 2 weeks so I had to sudo -i every time I needed root access
>ui was more sluggish than w8, switched to Ubuntu now and it's much better
>had to manually mount every new usb flash drive in terminal when I plugged it in for the first time

Don't believe anyone who says they're using mint without a picture of their mint pc, because they're lying fucks. Don't fall for the trolls, mint is a meme distro.

>>56019855
>LMDE
>based on Debian Jesse
>bleeding edge
kek m8

Try Cub Linux.
I think it's great.

>>56019891
FINALLY
Someone who knows my pain and has proof so OP doesn't suffer.

>friend recommended Linux mint for my atom d2550 (17.1)
>ran like shit
>he recommended a lighter DE like MATE
>still ran like shit

>come to g for advice
>g says install Ubuntu mate
>fuck it, I'll give it a try even though I thought it's troll since mint is supposed to be Ubuntu
Holy shit it runs so much smoother, I can even watch 1080p videos in vlc, in mint 720p would occasionally stutter

Can't upload proof since that was a year ago, but I'll never fucking install mint again even on my more powerful computers.

>>56019891
>lying on the internet

I've never had a single issue with wi-fi other having to update initially for it to work. I had my wallpaper set to cycle through images in a folder every so often, and it never missed a beat.

>logging in as root

So basically you are an idiot, and if you are not lying this explains how your shit got fucked up in the first place.

I had no problem with USBs auto-mounting.

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>>56020003
Nice proof shitstain
>it wurks on muh machine bruh
Good for you, you lying fuck.

>>56019891
>that wallpaper bug
Fuck that was annoying.
Is Ubuntu really that much better? I switched to Fedora with MATE because I thought Ubuntu would be the same shit

>>56020040
Yeah Ubuntu is so much better, and I actually like unity more than Cinnamon.
Cinnamon was a nice DE, but it was trying to be too user friendly for windows users, whereas unity is still super easy to use but is different enough to be interesting

>>56020026
Posting a picture of a computer running Mint doesn't prove anything either way, retard.

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>>56019891
if wifi drops its because your wifi card its getting too much heat or or wifi sucks or you are far away from the source point.

my mom had its problem with Wxp, W7,W8, lubuntu, antix, debian, fedora, and a couple others i dont remember...was a fucking hell getting call to get their home to try to "fix" the issue.
So since i installed mint on my pc, and everything work good as intended, i did the same thing to my mom's pc.
Conclusion, never had a single problem, the pc worked even better than before, a not a single problem with the wifi. When a mess with her pc, she begs to not remove the Mint OS, believe me she is a pain in the ass to please, like every mother in the world.

The rest of the problem can be fix in 15 minutes, i had this on mine, and fixed that with no problems. You just need to get your hands dirty, its the same thing like having a car, dont expect it will work everytime.

>>56001890
>full blown desktop

>>56019855
Maybe LMDE 1 was acceptable because it was semi-rolling release and based off of Debian Testing. But it is no longer maintained.
LMDE 2 is built on Debian Stable and thus is even more out of date than Ubuntu LTS.
What are you going to suggest CentOS is a bleeding edge distro next?

>>56020062
Correction: "my mom had this problem (wifi)..."

>>56020081
It only uses Debian as a base. It is a rolling release for Mint and Cinnamon features.

>>56020058
It proves that unlike you, he's actually experienced the horror that is Linux mint

>>56020062
That's funny, because I didn't have that problem on windows 7, and I don't have that problem on Ubuntu.

It only happened in Linux mint.

>>56020125
You're an idiot. It takes like 10 minutes to let Mint install, and it does all the work for you so there isn't even a barrier of entry. All it proves is that he install it, faked the image, or stole it from somewhere else. The idiot didn't even install the updates.

>>56020109
>implying having up to date desktop environments is important
The most important thing is the kernel, which comes from the base, and is still Kernel 3.16.7
Ubuntu LTS is 4.4.0 right now.
Also LMDE is no longer rolling release.

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>>56020173
>it just werks
>but you have to install a bunch of extras for it to work
>I promise it's stable
>trust me, I am attention whoring tripfag!!!

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>>56020173
>shills a buggy piece of shit OS he doesn't even use himself
>calls others idiots

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>>56019891
I use win7as main and linux live usb distros on occasions to do repairs. one is linux mint.
It wasn't linux mint.
it was (you)

>>56020327
I see you finally dropped your trip.
Faggot.

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>>56020345
That wasn't me, kiddo.

>>56020207
You can upgrade the Kernel in Mint if you want to.

>>56020755
Why is your desktop cropped weird?
And why do you have a trip?

I don't trust you.

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>>56020966
Because the Wallpaper is lewd and /g/ is a worksafe board.

>>56020985
I hope you know that many people, especially myself, think you're an annoying tripfag and you should abandon your gay name because it doesn't add anything and makes you look bad.

This is an anonymous image board.

>>56001909
Ubuntu just looks disgusting to me.

>>56013252
Tried KDE, mate, unity, whatever comes with lubuntu/debian/manjaro

Cinnamon just feels right. Everything is where I expect it to be, it's comfy af and even though I mostly run crappy hardware it's still very smooth

>>56017785
>Tried KDE, mate, unity, whatever comes with lubuntu/debian/manjaro
>Cinnamon just feels right. Everything is where I expect it to be, it's comfy af and even though I mostly run crappy hardware it's still very smooth

>>56024560
Yeah, cinnamon sure ran smooth on my d2550. That's why I'm still using mint.
*sarcasm*

>>56024703
To be fair, mint was absolutely awful on a ~20 yo Compaq laptop, which is why it got kubuntu

>>56020755
That's not the point, the point is that Mint is not up to date and does not have official support for up to date packages (like a kernel). And furthermore, LMDE does not solve the problem and does not make Mint bleeding edge.
Ubuntu/Fedora is better for updates and security, as is Arch/Gentoo if you know what you're doing.

>>56019891
Honestly I had more problems with wifi and ethernet cables on Windows.
>get a new router
>windows doesn't detect the cable
>connect through wifi
>disconnects every 30 seconds
>say fuck it and boot mint
>everything works
>download Ubuntu as I haven't used it in a while
>boot to Windows
>it doesn't detect anything in USB ports
>reboot twice
>suddenly works, no idea why
>wipe windows

>>56025605
He did say his problem was only on Linux mint though and it stopped when he installed Ubuntu?

>>56025570
You're an idiot. I just showed you that you can update the kernel directly from their update manager.

>>56001820
enjoy nogames and half-assed freetard software

>>56020173
I'm On windows 7, wanna dual boot, have 2 partitions, one for windows and one for all my files. How the installation process will handle it?

>>56029529
It has an installer similar to what you would see with windows. Only things you have to do is make sure to have windows installed first and point the Mint installer to the right partition. It has a GUI installer so just actually read the options and you will be fine.

>>56029658
I've heard linux use 3 partitions, like one for itself, one swap and one for data, can I make it recognize the data one I already use for windows?

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>>56029731
You really don't need to work worry about all that. It pretty much handles it.

You really don't need the 3 different partitions either. Most people just put the system and home shit in the same partition these days, and since everyone has so much RAM most people don't even set up a swap partition anymore.

When you get to this point, just choose something else. Choose the free space from the partition you made for it and mount point "/"

>>56027800
Yes, an officially supported out of date kernel. That's Ubuntus LTS kernel and it's more up to date than it usually is because Ubuntu 16.04 LTS recently came out and Linux Mint 18 is based on that.
Of course there is an officially supported kernel, are you dumb? You're not going to get a kernel like 4.6 or 4.7 unless you jump through some hoops on mint. It was worse before Ubuntu 16.04 when the kernels were 3.19.

>>56030400
What is in 4.7 that you need?

Also: What hoops? You copy paste a few lines into the terminal then reboot.

>>56030519
Being up to date improves security and performance. 4.7, although still unstable even for Gentoo/Arch, has been touted as bringing many improvements to handling of Graphics drivers.
If you install a kernel that is not officially supported (especially on LTS distros, as opposed to rolling release) you're very likely going to see breakage. Hence its more than just installation of the kernel.
Linux Mint 18 is not so out of date right now because it's new and Ubuntu 16.04 is also fairly new. Give Ubuntu a few releases (non LTS) and Mint will be far behind again.

>>56030708
See, we have different views on that. When it comes to the Kernel, my view is, "if it ain't broke . . ."

The only time I had issues with a Graphics driver was when the free drivers on the MATE version would cause screen tearing. It never happened on Cinnamon.