So what do you think about this recent trend where every kid

>>55978442
Programming is no doubt a useful skill. It enables forms of expression and knowledge gathering that are not possible with only human languages and pure mathematics. Not every kid needs to become a C hacker, but it would be great for lots of people to have the skills (or at least not be afraid to learn how) to build their own tools.

It also has the added benefit of bringing down labour costs in the software industry.

>>55978442
dumb fucks

They should learn how to suck dick.

I hope nobody learns to code so that I can get paid more.

If it were a country like Finland or Japan doing it it'd make sense.

USA, on the other hand, can barely teach the 4 basic subjects at an adequate level.

>>55978442
Maths is already taught to literally every kid and they still suck at it. It doesn't matter.
Kid will learn hello world, pass the exam after 10 tries and then move on.

Plus if we're only going to teach the kids how to write code and not actually teach them anything about how the computer actually works, they'll grow up to be pajeet-tier codemonkeys that write HTML code and post obnoxious tweets about how empowered they are.

>>55978442
bad trend

you don't want everyone to know how to program. you know them to know how to solve algorithmic and logic problems. teaching kids how to program is tangential to what should be being done, but it's better for companies because they get a cheaper workforce.

I see classrooms full of failures teaching methods that were outdated when written.

Like pretty much all schooling.

>>55978665
>CS grad afraid he's going to get outsourced
Pathetic.

>>55978665
Just like how everyone is a great mathematician now after they have been taught math in schools

>>55978734
I'm not afraid because I'm above the average in my field (or, at the very least, I get better grades and have a better work ethic than most). Teaching people how to solve algorithmic/logic problems would be more threatening to me, but that's what I advocate anyway, because it's the skill that people actually need.

Shouldn't they first be taught how not to make a fallacious argument or basic statistics?

>>55978617
Why would it make sense in Finland? Most people here illiterate cavemen
t. Finn

>>55978442
To depreciate the trade and oversaturate the field with incompetent trash that gets indoctrinated in boot camps to do a horrible monkey's job good enough for things not to fall apart, once that's in place cuckerberk and his kike friends now don't have to pay a lot of money to a lot of competent programmers, they can layoff thousands of programmers and hire new fresh out of boot camp kode with klossie femanazi garbage who will work for food, thus saving cuckerberk and other kikes in the field millions of shekels.

>>55978442
programmers to be the new burger flippers

>>55978980
>best schooling methods in the world
>"most people here are illiterate cavemen"

Doesn't compute.

>>55978933
mathematics isn't as interesting to the average kid as making a website/app/game, plus the barrier of entry is lower for programming

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>>55978617

>>55978991
>implying they won't literally be flip-
oh right, robots

>>55979002
Most of these teach kids to code curriculums end at about fizzbuzz level

Then again that's better than 50% of CS majors

>>55979000
>schooling methods
>no grades
baka desu senpai famalam pie fampie

>>55979000
The schooling system is only succesful because it's completely free thanks to high taxes. Everyone gets the same education which would result in decent PISA scores in any first world country. It has nothing to do with intelligence, just socialism

>>55979010
USA is well on its way to being a majority minority country, those Massachusetts schools aren't long for this world.

Literally fucking pointless since by the time a lot of those kids grow up, AI will be the only one doing any programming.

I don't think that every kid should learn to code, but I do think that every kid should take a computer applications class. People should be able to do basic troubleshooting on their computer and remove malware on their own instead of having geeksquad rape their wallet.

>>55979055
Sweden's PISA score is fucking shit though, as is Denmark's and Norway's

>>55979069
Most computer applications classes are just MS word tutorials.

>>55979077
Why not teach LaTeX?

>>55978614
doesn't really matter, there's a finite number of people who can into code
no matter how hard they try, forcing pajeets and womyn in won't make a huge influx of real programmers

>>55979077
The ones that have an actual textbook instead of a MS Office book don't

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>>55979074
>tfw my country's PISA ranking is below 50

I'm tired of living among braindead people.

What externally looks like a noble attempt is just actually greed. Yes let's have even the president to encourage everyone to learn programming! Then we shall flood the market with all kinds of ''''''''programmers'''''''' and thus not needing to pay them as much

What CS and IT really consist of are genuine nerds, some eccentric normies that are good at it, people wanting to make video games, old people who had to learn it and the occasional girl that actually cares about it and isn't just nominally OK at it and just there for the notoriety of being a girl who knows how to use a computer. We don't need to expand this to include the worst types of people too.

>>55979074
They have more niggers

>>55979132
Not many high schools aare going to use SICP

They should though

>>55978628
>they'll grow up to be pajeet-tier codemonkeys that write HTML code
But that's the whole point of this :^)

>>55979141
It's not like a lot of people would be interested in programming. Unless it's mandatory, this wouldn't be a problem.

>>55978442
>pic
Just like everyone knows maths and physics because they learned it on school. Chances are that they will still be incompetent.

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>>55978442
Company owners and CEOs like Zuckerjew need the market to have a surplus of programmers so they don't have to spend as much on wages. That is literally all there is to it.

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>The programmers of today will be the wizards of tomorrow. --Gabe Newell

What did he mean by this?

>>55979922
That programmers are cucks who will still be virgins on their 30th birthday.

>>55980585
> He seriously wants to trade in his rad wizard skills for 5 seconds of joy
The true cuck is you

Should teach kids the basics of shitposting safely online instead. Would kill Microsoft and all antivirus companies.

>>55978442

>even janitors will know how to program

So you're telling me these faggy snowflakes with their tweeter cliques and chai tea won't have reason to have false sense of self-worth?

Where do I donate?

I believe students should learn programming, at least the principles of it, and physics alongside their maths. These two subjects force you to examine the hell out of what kind of problem you have and the necessary tools to solve it.

Teaching kids anything in school is like throwing jelly against the wall. Some of it sticks, but most won't.

Most kids will never be programmers beyond Hello World. Most kids will never writer their own scripts to automate stuff on their devices.

Teach kids about computing and how stuff works under the hood and some basic programming, great. Expect them all to become able programmers, and you're going to be very disappointed.

>>55978539
(((benefit)))

>>55978442
>So what do you think about this recent trend where every kid should learn to code?
If it produces competent programmers at home so we no longer have to deal with foreign Pajeets screwing up everything, I'm all for it.

Only if you're a H1-B visa loving, outsourcing fucktard """"manager"""" would you oppose this.

>>55978442
The ones driving it are obviously the big "silicon valley" companies, who need more manpower, but it is a very useful skill for the average normie too in today's society, where you have a computer in your pocket, not to mention that it could increase linux market share, since it would make normos less afraid off the terminal, and since most programming classes use linux.

>>55978562
Underrated.

>>55981545
>The ones driving it are obviously the big "silicon valley" companies, who need more manpower,
See >>55981459

The big silicon valley companies would rather hire cheap indians than hire locally, because indians would work for less than minimum wage.

Waste of time and money to be fucking honest.
I'm all for the open availability of technology education, but it shouldn't be forced down someone's throat. I mean really, look at all the people who take science classes in high school, or even mathematics. Over half of them have no clue what's going on, and even less of them actually enjoy the subject.
On the other hand, optional classes always have more students that enjoy them and have a higher understanding of the material.
Keep CS optional. The current curriculum is not bad, it doesn't need any changing.

>make programming a basic skill
>at best it'll make people hate computers that much more because not everyone is a bright crayon when it comes to computers as is
>at worst it'll bring down programmer salaries and wages cause it's a widespread skill

>>55978442
fuck that shit, all kids shouldnt fucking have to learn programming, it is a damn choice, THE FYOOTURE is looking pretty fucking grim, this is what cuckerburg wants, he's a fucking jew for fucks sake

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We can only hope for a world where you need to be able to program to run a computer, that would solve a lot of the usa's problems.

I'm down with it

In a year we'll be teaching how to recognize a kike and how to bake him properly

>>55981611
No. They're not saying anything about having more primitive computers, they're talking about producing more faggots who think they know shit cause they were able to write a basic HTML page with some JS functionality.

I’m starting to think it’s a horrible idea. Turns out everything that’s not a sekrit club is overrun by entitled bitches and memeing normies.

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>>55981667
The nerd culture has already been fucked over already anon.

>>55981724
Geeks infiltrating popular culture was a fucking mistake.

>>55978442
Transparent attempt to pay employees less.

I'm okay with a mandatory introduction to computation class to understand how computers work and think. Then maybe a logic course. Actual programming like "Java II" or "intro to Python," should be offered as optional for kids actually interested in computer science.

I agree with Torvalds stance on this:

We shouldn't be forcing kids to learn how to program. Not all of them want it or will use it. It's more important to give opportunities to the kids who want to learn.

In highschool we didn't have the option to take programming classes which was a shame since it was all I did at home besides play games.

Programming is a skill, just like carpentry. We don't teach kids carpentry even though it's used to build our houses and buildings because not all kids will become carpenters. Most of them really don't give a fuck.

We should teach kids the basics of how a computer works and maybe a brief intro to a language like python but that's about it.

>>55978442
Makes me glad I went the DBA + BI route instead of the straight programming route.

>>55981824
>We don't teach kids carpentry
But we do for fuck's sake. Every country has woodwork in it's curriculum.

No.

Computers and the internet in general should have stayed a hobbyist field. The internet and software were so much better when the only people using them were basement dwellers that actually loved it.

Normalfrogs should be locked out of the internet entirely, not taking /g/'s jobs.

fucking hell people are stupid.
regularpepes only want to do what's easy and looks shiny.
Getting these drooling braindead morons into CS/SE in the first place is why we have bloated js websites that need a fucking xeon to animate.

>>55978442
Honestly coding is a specialist skill and as such anything beyond rudiments is pointless to teach to the masses. Its pointless because only so many coders are needed in the economy and only the best will be chosen to fill that number.
I suppose you could make a case to say we ought be teaching the rudiments of coding. Though, as others have said, given how atrociously this goes for the other subjects we teach everyone, I'm not sure it would be worth it. Our education systems are fucking atrocious, and any standing our academically inclined achieve comes from a combination of personal interest, self study, and natural ability primarily.

>>55981860
>Every country has woodwork in it's curriculum.
lolwut

This is simply not true.

I don't know anyone who had compulsory woodworking in school.

They simply cannot. Some of them can barely read/write thanks to tablets.
Touchscreens are keeping them stupid, good for business.

>>55979067
literally (and figuratively)retarded

>>55981860
Not true. Engineering/shop (woodwork) in high school is optional.
In my middle school, it was a randomly assigned class, it lasted 9 weeks and you could switch out if you didn't like it the first week.

>>55978442
considering that most kids in US public schools nowadays are non-white, i can't see this going far, or anywhere at all.

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>>55981824
I agree with this anon 100%

>>55981866
Western countries that don't have woodwork in high school
>USA

Western countries that do have them
>everybody else

The US is fucked because your gubment and state gubments keep cutting funds, give college stipends to nignogs that are good at throwing balls in hoops, and teaching intelligent design in science classes.

>>55981918
I live in GA, in one of the whitest suburbs, I can count on my hands the number of white kids that knew anything about computers in my high school.

Go straight back to /pol/, you race bait nigger.

>>55981881
Least until the next generation, where the people who would be earning money to buy their kids dumb facebook toys can't earn more than minimum wage

But who cares about the future when there's money to be made now?

>>55981910
enriched curriculum semi-private high school in Canada here
"woodshop" was literally 2 periods of our science class one year and that's it.

>>55979089
literally cancer

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>>55978539
>benefit
Oh yes, throw another profession down into the kikes' endless pit of disposable oversaturated labor markets.
Wage slavery isn't uniformly enforced QUITE yet!

>>55981866
I'm sorry you don't live in a real country

>>55981951
That won't be a problem, ever seen poor people who can barely afford to eat with phone contracts that are putting them in a mountain of debt for no practical reason and tvs bigger than yours? I see it all the time, most of the time even their kids have iphones and such.

>>55981942
cool anecdote, nigger. meanwhile in my majority white school anyone that wasn't trailer trash liked computers, and except for the women, most people assembled their own desktop.

then again since you're in GA you all probably lived in trailers, so it's not surprising.

>>55981927
I built an Adirondack chair in high school. USA

>>55982095
>cool anecdote
Right back at ya, nigger.

Expect many more neets who believe they can make it through coding from their basement.

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>>55981724
If only she wasn't so hideous.

>>55982092
I'm talking about a world where they're so unable to pay off debt that it stops being profitable to give credit to people like that.

Well maybe, I mean they'll still fucking try, getting $2000 in debt for a $800 iPhone or whatever

>>55978442
coding is going to be like cooking, car maintenance, etc. a skill that's potentially valuable to absolutely anybody.

but to expect everybody to learn it is a not reasonable.

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Yep. She's ugly as fuck. Smelly too

>>55978991
> bit flippers

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>>55982199
And a pervert!

Without a foundation in math and English it doesn't make sense to teach kids a programming language.

why not go full nazi on math?
someone good at math writes better software than someone who isn't, and lots of people do not want to work as a programmer, and being good at math makes everything in your life easier

t. Drunk autistic mathemagician ;^))

>>55982154
well if you decide to stop being a faggot then you can have a look at student's performance by race and you'll see that blacks are bottom of the barrel and hispanics not far behind. doesn't take a genius that any sort of programming class would be a waste for them.

one thing to introduce those classes in top schools with lots of asian and white students, and another to introduce them in all black and brown shithole schools.

>>55979010
>we're not dumb it's just the niggers
>we're not fat it's just the mexicans
>we're not violent it's just the niggers and mexicans
>we're not stupid it's just the californians
>we're not racist it's just the texans
>we're not jewish it's just the new yorkers
>we're not inbred it's just the alabamans
Americans are so pathetic. They're a part of your country. It's one country, you can't cherry-pick. If you don't want them you should kick them out.

>>55982245
you realized that you took your first two points and just repeated them 2.5 times, right?

>>55979097
This for the same reason every who was forced to take a wood shop in school isn't a carpenter.

People misunderstand the thought behind the movement. They expect people do know basic scripting, computer literacy and maybe visual basic or similar. Not to leave high school with a full education on software engineering. Enough to operate powerful tools on the computer and maybe use their own solutions to solve their problems, just like rebuilding a leg for a table, building a shelf or changing a tire.

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I think it's okay. Mathematicians don't get paid less because literally every school kids learns some mathematics. The truth of the matter is, a vast majority of people fucking suck at math.
Programming is basically no different, it's logic, and a lot of people aren't equipped to learn it. It also has the added benefit of making a lot of people hate programming since it's mandatory, instead of it being this illustrious subject that dumb shits flock to. They filter out earlier.
The programmers that do really like the subject get to start earlier and become better programmers.

What I feel is that people should stop glorifying programming. It's hypocritical to push programming this hard and completely neglect mathematics, when the building blocks behind these subjects are the same.

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>>55982245
we are trying
but the corrupt political systems we have now is taking awhile to remove

>>55982233
>writes out paragraphs upon paragraphs about how white skin is inherently better than all other skin on a nameless chinese cartoon discussion forum
How bad do your parents have to fuck up for you to end up like this? I mean, I don't give two shits about your views, I just want to know what went wrong. This is just pathetic son, at least find yourself a good town square to soapbox in.

>inb4 le ad hominem
>u can't answer my arguments so u just dodge them loool ecks dee!
Fuck off and answer my question.

>>55981860
Not in k-8, anon

>>55982295

>this is what flyover states believe

So you're telling me you're going to replace a corrupt political system with a system filled with saints?

Good luck wit that goober.

Here in the Netherlands people go to different high schools depending on their performance. And follow it up with a different education.

Working with your hands is dum dum level. They can fix cars, take care of babies, wield stuff and do your hair. (vocational).
Coding is normie level. No better than nursing, journalism, engineering, management and accounting. (applied science / bachelor degree).
Research is for the smarty pants. Doctors, chemists, math, artificial intelligence, archeology (science / master degree).

So nobody is wasting their time on shit they cant do or shouldnt be doing.

>>55981443
>>55982020
Learn some economics dumb communist stormtards

>>55982020
Are you a retard? Did you not spend even 5 minutes to read about why that graph is misleading as fuck?

>>55982266
I took woodworking in highschool and it was basically a short tutorial on how to not kill yourself before having four months to socialize while building a table. I'm certainly not going to be stealing someones job any time soon.

I'd imagine mandated programming classes would be mostly the same thing, except with you're making space invaders instead of a table.

>>55981860
I had a choice between sewing, cooking and carpentry.
I feel I made the correct choice by choosing sewing as I already had the skills for carpentry.

>>55983186
Space invaders would be too advanced as that requires interaction between bullets and enemies/obstacles/other bullets/you.
You'd be implementing bubble sorting and on some occasions dealing with input handling.

>>55978442
Programming is a specialized profession, why does every kid need to learn it? And why stop there? Let's teach every kid how to drill teeth, or operate a CNC, or install power lines, or do underwater welding.

>>55983262
Maybe not in the beginning course but I can see them getting to that level near the end of their education assuming the classes start in middle school.

>>55983262
I made space invaders for Gameboy in one of my classes. Wasn't too hard, hitbox handling was the biggest issue, and that was pretty much just a check on XY positions for the bullets and ships.

>>55978539
>not possible with pure mathematics
Math has conditionals and loops, so it should be Turing complete.

>>55981862
>bloated js websites that need a fucking xeon to animate
Isn't JS exclusively single threaded?

>>55983336
>should be
>implying it's not already
Isn't the criteria for Turing complete whether or not it can do the same things that a theoretical Turing machine could? I.e. read from a long paper and write back with new information?

>>55978442
It is 100% to drive down programmers' wages. They're trying to make programming the new manufacturing. I would not advise anyone under 20 to become a programmer because of this movement.

>>55978442
I honestly think it's important. I never had coding in school and ended up getting outsmarted by people much younger than me.
I can barely make my own website and I constantly forget shit in PHP, so I guess I'll never be able to learn a real programming language.
I don't want others to feel like that, so the sooner they start, the better.

>>55983380
>learn increasingly obscure languages and start learning about CPU design
>guarantee yourself a job in the banking and financial sector because servers can't ever hope to compete with mainframe speeds

>>55983375
To be turing complete, you just need loops, conditionals and to be able to read/write from an infinite tape. That would mean that you can do the same things as a turning machine.

>>55983323
>>55983319
I do agree that's something you should be doing by the time you're finishing your programming courses, but 95% of students taking it can't do anything beyond what I've already listed.

>>55983448
Yeah. Math has a bunch of syntax that covers almost all possible cases.
I mean hell, (theoretically, mind you, not with actual answers) you can solve all Project Euler problems using mathematical syntax and get exact answers. It's just a pain in the ass to actually follow them with pen and paper.

>>55982328
>>writes out paragraphs upon paragraphs about how white skin is inherently better than all other skin on a nameless chinese cartoon discussion forum
i did none of that, but nice strawman, you butthurt shitskin.

whites and asians > niggers and spics. that's a fact.

>>55983364
Every script runs in a different thread.
If JS was exclusively singlethreaded, reactJS wouldn't be a thing.

>>55978442

Its only companies trying to drive down the cost of labor.

You wont need more programmers per user ever.

>>55983653
If you do a busy wait in JS, doesn't it stall the browser?

I've never used react. What makes it special? Is it like AngularJS, where the HTML is now turing complete, but it also makes you want to kill yourself?

>>55979097

You need to research what big business has done to most jobs over the last 50 years. They are very good at getting 99 dumb asses to be good enough if they have 1 guy who knows what is up.

>>55978442
I don't see that is a problem or even competition. I agree it should be basic skill to at least fucking understand how a computer works.

But just getting past the CV+cover letter phase, and then past remote demo, then past inevitable whiteboard coding, then telling some ridiculous shit off the head like "name good design principle" is in whole other playground.

I kinda think tech industry is collectively bi-polar. "yay bring in the kids we need workers :3" and then the reality slaps with almost impossible entry level requirements. and once you pass those and end up with 925 programming job you get headhunted within three months into better place.

seriously fuck this shit I should have become welder.

>>55978442
with a good education system yeah it bunk that would be good but with the us they would probably just teach them enough for fizzbuzz and call it a day their education system is horrible

>>55983680
It does, but for different reasons.
Once particular script file is completely loaded it's fired off into a different thread. Same goes for css.
ReactJS flattens JS into a single thread ensuring that multithreaded environment wouldn't crash due to data races. The way my workmate explained it to me sounded like it does make you kill yourself

>>55982295
assholes can't be presidents

Europoor here, went to a highschool where programming was taught and after 3 years the vast majority of people still had problems with even the most basic stuff. Some people didn't understand it at all and failed, most just memorized the shit needed to pass, I was programming even before so it was a cakewalk for me.

I feel like for some people it just clicks and makes sense, but some are never gonna understand it.

>>55981824
This. When I was in middle and high school, you know what we got? Fucking art, music, and sports. We didn't have anything varied like woodworking, home ec, or programming. I guarantee that my schools would have had more people go on to actually give a fuck about learning how to program and other computer-related fields in general if we had the options presented to us; our computer classes were glorified office suite tutorials. People I knew who were good with their hands who could have been great carpenters or of a skilled trade fell hard for the "u kin be a SPORTZ PROFESHNUL" meme really hard.

Exposure >>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced teaching of programming.

>>55982020
Everyone can do well in an art class, but not everyone can be a good enough artist to get paid for it. In spite of this, schools still teach compulsory art classes. Is it a waste of time and taxpayer money, or does it make children into well-rounded individuals who don't have their eyes unfocus and cross when you discuss negative space within a picture.

The same will be said of learning programming. We won't be making master programmers in 8th grade, but we won't be churning out white pajeets, either. The most they'll get out of it is a new life experience and a new analytical way of thinking about systems and processes. Maybe a few will find a career.

>>55983807
so how did obama get in?

Lots of white pajeets

>>55981627
>>>/pol/

>>55978442
>So what do you think about this recent trend where every kid should learn to code?
It is short-sighted. Like teaching kids foreign languages. It wastes time and effort.
Someone likened it to teaching a pig to whistle. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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>>55978614

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN SHANIQUA COMES GUNNING FOR YOUR JOB?!

>>55985560
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/o/ven

>>55982233
>doesn't take a genius that any sort of programming class would be a waste for them.
Why programming specifically? By your logic, wouldn't any class at all be a waste for them?

>>55985594
>>>/pol/

>>55985587
I love how the racial aspect of femminism always backfires on white femminists. They can holler women's rights all the live long day but in the end they are still white devils in a system that is growing more anti-white by the day.

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>your computer science degree will soon be worth as much as a liberal arts degree
>your software engineering degree will soon be worth as much as a general education degree
Eat shit code monkeys.

>>55985657
not at all, prison survival classes would be quite useful.

>>55978442

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who code alike than those who code differently.

>>55978442
In fifteen years the people teaching it will be just as computer illiterate as they are now, if not more, and will not be able to properly educate the younger generation.

>>55978442
Can everyone write a novel or even a good article? No? Just because you can learn syntax and some toolsets doesn't mean you can write competent code.

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>>55985560

>I don't like your opinion therefore you must leave

>code added to curriculum
>look at final question on programming exam

Which of the following is correct JavaScript?
1. if x = 1 { y = 2 }
2. if (x = 1) y = 2
3. if (x == 1) y = 2;
4. All of the above

>>55978947
>grades
>thinks he's part of the workforce

Try working for 3 years and come back skippy

>>55985958
Don't know JS myself but aren't all of them syntactically correct? Sure, 1 and 2 don't make a lot of sense, but it is valid code right?

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>>55985958
I dont get it

>>55986030
First one is invalid
Second one is "incorrect" because it's not the same as what's in their text book

>>55982425
In Norway it's based around what you want to do, which has a distribution effect. (Smarty-pants people are attracted to academic work. People who are great with their hands but not really into thinky thought stuff will become carpenters, etc.)

But neither carpenters nor academics are stigmatized. We just let different people use their different skills for make benefit glorious nation of Norwegistan.

>>55986040
What IDE is that?

>>55985587

I'll laugh, because Shaniqua can't speak Norwegian. And nobody here will hire you for any good job unless you speak Norwegian.

There are some good sides to being outside of the anglosphere.

>>55986345
That's Firefox. It's not an IDE.

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>>55985801
jokes on you im an 8th grade drop out

>>55985817
I meant compared to regular classes like english and math. The argument put forth was that they're unintelligent and therefore would not benefit from education in programming, so why would they benefit from education in other areas? It's not like you need genius-level intellect to program, if you can't learn programming despite putting in the effort, you probably wouldn't benefit from math or english either.

>>55985944
>genocide techniques are relevant to the topic of this thread

>>55985958
I'd say 3 is the "most correct", as in it runs without error AND does what you expect it to do.

I think 2 just assigns values to two variables, so an if statement is an awkward way to do it. The lack of a semicolon isn't ideal, but it's not strictly required.

Not sure if 1 will run at all, but if it does it will probably do the same as 2.

>>55986155
Isn't the '=' operator for assignment, as in C? So the second one isn't only "wrong" because it doesn't match the textbook, but because it's not actually doing an equality comparison.

>>55978442
I expect a lot of retarded shits demanding $170K/yr salary after making a bunch of Javascript toy scripts.

>>55981824
>Programming is a skill, just like carpentry. We don't teach kids carpentry even though it's used to build our houses and buildings because not all kids will become carpenters. Most of them really don't give a fuck.

You know what's funny? You'd probably benefit students financially by teaching them carpentry far more than by teaching programming.

At least in the US, real estate is a ridiculously large part of the economy. And it's THE way that people become WEALTHY. Not just making a good income, but building actual wealth.

You'd be better off with a mediocre paying semi-professional job where you buy up shitty properties, fix them up and resell them in your spare time, than you would be by focusing all your efforts on professional programming.

>>55985691
>system that is growing more anti-white by the day.
there is literally nothing wrong being anti-white.

we are turning beige in the next 20 years.

>>55979150
Then what's the big problem that we've started a 4chan thread about it?

>>55987590
I think you are confusing software design with programming. Programmers are the grunts, and literally anyone can learn to program.

The Software Designers and Software Architects are the ones that are going to make the money, because that is the hard stuff.

>>55987622
((()))
Implying that's a good thing

Normies aren't worth saving, they willingly finance their own destruction. The more they spend their future turns to dust.

When you are suffering, know that I have betrayed you.

>>55978442
I think it jives harshly with the common core approach to math and we would either see a useless waste of money or otherwise terrible coding practices.

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>teaching programming just like reading and writing

We barely teach reading and writing now.

>>55978442
Chances are kid won't like it, and will grow to hate it like how they hate math, so actually it'd result in less people going to CS which couldn't make me happier.

How about critical thinking and formal logic instead? That could then be applied to everything else.

>>55989052
>>55989095

>>55978442
There should be the option to take it, no doubt, but forcing everyone to is pretty silly, you force kids to take it they'll hate it.

>>55978442
and then people are going to realize how attrocious proprietary software is and stop buying his shit.

He just wants to turn america into the next india.
Make programming work as worthless as retail or warehouse work and get an army of cheap trained monkeys to program his botnet locally instead of outsourcing it to pajeets

This really is irrelevant. They're trying to bring down the price of commodity programmers. If you're decent at what you do and provide actual value to the people you work for, you have nothing to worry. If you're a pajeet tier commodity programmer, you should be super against this movement.

It's a scam to lower the wages of developers.

If it works, it probably won't hurt me much, but it will suck for median and lower income devs.

That being said, most people simply aren't capable of coding, just like I'm not capable of doing anything requires dexterous physical labor.

>>55978980
They think everyone in Finland is computing from birth

>>55981860
This. In Finland (Torvald's home country) its mandatory on grades 1-7 (and so is sewing)

>>55978442
This is obviously a way to run down our wages. Let's not teach how to code to anyone. Keep it for yourself, keep it rare and in demands.

Are you people kidding?

America has been dumbing down our schools for decades just so Niggers can pass.

Asians and Indians are doing calculus in HS, while american Niggers can't even handle basic algebra.

American public schools have been catering to the lowest common denominator for years now.

It's only getting worse.

>>55989856
>America has been dumbing down our schools for decades just so Niggers can pass.

FUN FACT:

The Oakland Unified School District had so many niggers fail basic English, and couldn't graduate HS, that they came up with an ingenious solution: Make EBONICS an actual language/English class so niggers can graduate.

Look it up.

You can't even make this shit up.

>>55978442
>people still falling for obvious malware sites
>expect those people to understand programming
Meh. How about you teach them critical thinking first.

Why are people so afraid of new peop-e taking their job?
As one guy said, we reach people math yet most people really suck at it.
Hell, even people who study programing are terrible at it, so why are you afraid of them taking you job, unles you too suck this badly?

I took four different programming courses in high school and they were basically the same thing in different languages
70% of the kids needed the teacher to walk through assignments the day before, and if anyone had the focus to actually read and retain the material you could do the assignments in 15-30 minutes
>>55987590
That'd have a greater risk of saturating the market with things than anything else, and a lot of people are better with their hands than their heads so it'd stick better than technology or critical thinking

>>55989856
It hasn't been for the negro, friend, it's been helicopter parents demanding their special snowflakes be special without the system crushing their creativity
I'm not worried about diversity or genderfluid in schools, I'm more worried about when people get rid of grading altogether and respect non-binary answers to questions with factual answers because at least the children tried

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>>55982328
That's some fine butthurt right there, exaggerating the amount of text as "paragraphs and paragraphs", psychologizing and bringing up childhood.
>>>/facebook/

>>55982466
How is it

Dumb Americunt

>>55983336
>>55983375
>>55983448
What exactly do you think math is? It's not comprised of a single interface you can do things with. Nevertheless, math is trivially Turing complete because Turing machines are defined using the language of math. You can easily develop a theory of the lambda calculus in first order logic as well.

>>55989891
That school district does all sorts of stupid shit to get money.

>>55990442
That is, math isn't something like a programming language, it's far broader.

>>55978614
This

>>55979010
Go home, /pol/, you're /pol/.

>>55988873
>get kicked out of local private school because i literally touched another student on the top of their head gently with an open palm
>go to local school for behaviorially-challenged kids
>learned latin in 4th grade
>greek and roman history
>great works of classical literature
>2 hours of PE every day

>move
>go to regular public school
>recess literally doesn't exist
>PE need only be taken one semester
>read bits and pieces of great literature, cut and pasted into a textbook, with only small excerpts available and scant information on the authors or their lives -- most of the pages were multiple-choice quizzes on the content.

only in north carolina do you have to pay for your child to be taught classical history or learn a language that isn't spanish

>>55990463
>math isn't something like a programming language, it's far broader.
Wat? There's nothing you can express in FOL that can't be expressed in a TM. The entire point of the Church-Turing thesis is that there's nothing computable that isn't computable by a TM.

>>55989252
But Facebook is one of the most selective employeers. They pretty much only hire Ivy leaguers.

>>55978442
Mark sugarcube can eat a sugary dick