How long until 8GB of RAM is no longer enough?

just get 16, ram is so fucking cheap

No longer enough for what?

I'm on 4gb atm and it's still enough on a laptop, but I'll get another 8gb module before ddr3l becomes overpriced
basically buy now before ddr3 becomes legacy

>>55913855
my chink cube i7 tablet is 4 GB and it's plenty fast for typical tablet tasks

>>55913847

Like two years ago

>>55913811
>indie game with mods
>running out of 8GB constantly

today apparently

>>55913983
>mfw my two year old laptop comes with an 8gb stick and a spare empty slot for me to use over time.
The knew it, based Acer chinks

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>>55914011
Sounds like a unique problem with a unique solution - stop running complete garbage stacked on top of other garbage.

Depends on how long you plan to use Chrome.

>intensive user
>8gb ram
>not even a pagefile enabled for the SSD not to wear out
>sofware less ram-demanding over time
>never ever max'd out ram yet
Glad I didn't fall for the 16gb ram meme

>>55913811
On a performance rig?
Back in 2012.
On a day to day normal task, and gaymen
Still holding on, though, there is no excuse to upgrade to 16gb since it's cheap.
Normie machine, it's perfect.
Casuals can easily get by on 4gb.

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It already isn't enough.

>>55914011
Never had this problem.

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If I can get my old p4 to just fine with 2 gigs in 2016 (I know, I know)
you shouldn't be worried with 8gigs for a while yet

>>55913811
12 years ago.

>>55914011
What game is it?

>2016
>people still use RAM and storage separately

>>55914140
I really hate this bloat the web has been getting.

>>55913811
Depends on the usage. As one who fell for the "8GB is enough" meme, I'm now having problems properly running a Windows VM due to the RAM requirements.

>>55913811
>8 GB of RAM
holy shit, what a poorfag

currently using 16 GB of RAM with 32 GB of RAM on its way in the mail..

>>55914174
Starsector

Open another tab of Chrome. You will now need more RAM.

it already isn't enough

I like my women like I like my computers:
Rammed.

8GB isn't enough if you are using a VM or more. I wish I has 16GB but I am poor.

>>55913811
I upgraded to 16gb just because its cheap now. Glad i did. I can now open more tabs of porn in chrome.

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my macbook only has 8gb ram. and it's soldered

>>55914174
Cities: Skylines.

Or anything in Unity that uses agent-based simulation

>>55914409
open case and unsolder, ohh wait.

>>55914409
And people still supports this shit company.

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>implying it's enough now

>>55914558
That Fallout 4 better be pirated.

I often hit top memory with chrome open if I forget to close it while playing a game.

>>55913831
>just get 16, ram is so fucking cheap

on a desktop

DDR4 16 GB 2133 MHz for 60€.
Yay or nay?

>>55914776
Why are you asking us?

>>55914776
Ynay

>>55914776
>ddr4
>ay 2133

lmao my ddr3 is faster than that

>>55914652
Why would I pirate a game?

>>55914812
Isn't this a RAM thread?

Even 2 GB is enough still

>>55913811
>crucial
never again

>>55913811
What are you using it for?
If all you're doing it browsing the web and typing up documents then 1gb of RAM would be enough as long as you use a linux distro.

>>55914833
>what is latency
Lower clocked ram may be faster than higher clocked.

>>55914852
Obviously not. There's no suicidal wojak with red filter on the OP.

>>55914879
I believe that's the point he's trying to make rex.

>>55914776
>MUH MGAHUERTS
>doesn't list CL
lmao

>>55914928
CL 15

>>55914962
>2133 MHz / 15 = 142.2 MHz
lmao, that's slower than the DDR3 ECC 1600 MHz CL11 memory I just ordered:
>1600 MHz / 11 = 145.5 MHz

enjoy your shit performance I guess. (in b4 “but muh DDR4”)

Alll my friends have at least 16GB. They'd nickname you ghetto kid if u showed up with less than that to our neighborhood

>>55915017

Ditch those "friends".

>>55914502
Why can't he?

Do memory ranks make a difference?

>>55914999
keep in mind this is ECC memory, which is already inherently slower than non-ECC memory.

>>55915037
Implying macfags know how to solder

>>55915060
I figure that, but I was wondering if Apple did something else to fuck these dumbasses even if they know how to solder.

>>55914901
How could that be when he doesn't know the clock latency values of the ddr4 ram his ddr3 ram is supposedly faster than?

>>55915095
Yeah, they made their products so shitty that the only people who can stand using them are morons - which is the best security feature against tampering you can have

>>55915095
They already break warranty anyway

Still using 2GB for normal day stuff.

>>55914011
indie game devs are worse at writing code than literal pajeets, they pull off writing 2d games with 90s level graphics that barely get 60 fps on 2016 hardware

>>55914999
> ECC
> 3 MHz difference
> DDR3
> lmao
You should be 18+ to post here

>>55913811
>How long until 8GB of RAM is no longer enough?

About 2 years ago

>>55915574
>being this jealous

>>55915629
I still haven't bought that RAM. I can buy a 16 GB Kingston Savage DDR4 2400 MHz CL 12 non-ECC RAM for 96€.

>>55915223
Actually, game engines nowadays are pieces of shit too.
It is retarded how 10 years ago you could build 3D games on Source which could run on fucking toasters, but nowadays you need a middle end PC to run 2D games.

>>55915663
>non-ECC
I hope your data is worth nothing

>>55915710
What that even means?

>>55915737
Yes

>>55915737
Systems without ECC memory are very prone to catastrophic failure including loss of your entire filesystem, crashes, or undetected errors in your business logic.

Imagine a bit flip while compiling, say, firefox. Suddenly you end up with a firefox process that will crash randomly, also causing potential data loss

Really, given the relatively minor extra price you need to pay for ECC (over non-ECC) there's little reason to risk your data and stability just for the sake of saving a few cents

http://danluu.com/why-ecc/

>>55915783
Non-ECC grant better performance though and I heard people say that ECC are literally useful only for servers.

People should stop upgrading to better hardware. Users having better hardware encourages developers to not write good software since they know the users can just brute force through the crap code anyway.

>>55914020
Yeah, nah, that's just cheaper.

>>55915813
>I heard people say that ECC are literally useful only for servers.
Because most people only story their data in the cloud :^) But keep in mind you also need a mainboard and CPU that supports it.

>Non-ECC grant better performance though
You can get the same performance by paying a bit more. Compared to your CPU or GPU it's still only a fraction of what you're paying anyway. How much is your data worth?

>>55915880
I'm planning to store my data on my external HDD, whereas I'll put OS and games and maybe even music on my SSD.

>>55915853
OR how about you just stop being poor.
Find a job, aspie. Leave your parent's basement. Be a real man.

I have 2GB in my thinkpad and an SSD.
I haven't really felt the need to add more ram because everything is so snappy, but it's so cheap now, holy shit.

Maybe I should max it out?
Am I wasting money?

>>55916059
2GB of what? RAM?
KYS.
You haven't even stated what laptop.

>>55915912
So how do you plan on keeping that data secure? Do you have a backup system in place? Does your backup system use ECC? Or are you relying on the hard drives alone? Do you have redundancy (RAID)? What raid technology? How fault tolerant is it against memory errors?

>>55914360
Don't you mean high-speed rammed?

>>55916083
x201

>>55914866
Barely, my machine has 2gb and works pretty well but I don't use it for much more than web design.

>>55914526
>and that causes me butthurt

>>55914866
2GB + SSD is god-tier

Unless you play games, this is enough for anyone.
Swapping is so lag-free you don't even notice the lack of ram.

Just make sure you have 4GB of swap on your SSD.

>>55914866
1gb is easily enough for casual use too.

>>55913811
>tfw fell for the 2TB ram meme

>>55916123
trash it away
get x220/x230

>>55916240
fuck off

12gb ram master race

>>55913811
16 gigs is the new standard tbqh, everything is bloaty as fuck these days

>>55914737
My laptop cost 1100... I got 16gb memory... i7-5700hq, gtx 970m 3gb, 128gb ssd 1TB hdd (7200) ..... just don't jew yourself when you buy a laptop. Not wanting to spend a few extra dollars now means your stuck with it later. Instead of buying it and upgrading it like a pc you have to think about what you need for the next few years and start there. Called using your head.

>>55913811
Depends what you do.

If it's a Facebook machine, 8GB is fine. If you do pretty much anything else you'll want 16. You may never use every megabyte but you'll be glad for the headroom.

Plus it's cheap as balls these days and you can always use the spare memory for things like a RAMDisk like I do. I have 2GB of my RAM dedicated to a RAMDisk which holds my firefox cache and some of my photoshop scratch disk. I can also use it to transfer large files between disks almost instantly. So if I have a chunky file I want to move from local to storage, I can move it to the ramdisk first in less than 2 seconds and then move it from there to storage in the same amount of time, whereas even on Sata 6Gb/s the file might take minutes to transfer directly from disk to disk, if I had more than 16GB I could move GIANT files around instantly, but 2GB is enough space to move most stuff conveniently, even if it means doing it in batches. If you really wanted to I bet you could even write a small program that would automate the process so that you could drag and drop files from different disks and it would automatically pass them through the RAM disk first.

>>55916305

My negroid compatriot.

>>55916423
>facebook
2GB is fine. Don't forget Windows 10 was designed to work with that amount of memory. There is also page file.

>8GB RAM
>i7 processor
>graphic card is an outdated Nvidia 540M and my coolers are so shit I can't even run stuff like Warframe on the lowest settings with everything disabled without apparently damaging my motherboard

I just wanna play video games. This wasn't too bad back in 2011 but I'm low on cash so I can't even build a proper PC or anything.

>>55916489
Well desu, I have the same card with quad core i7 and it's fine. You can even run GTA V on this GPU. What's your issue?

>>55916502
My laptop tends to overheat when playing.

Just checked again, it's got a Nvidia 540M GT but the problem is the temperature, framedrops aside, it tends to heat up to around 70-75°C when playing.

>>55913847
to satisfy my wife

>>55916537
Clean it out.

>>55914020
>only one empty slot
>mfw 2670qm based laptop has 4 slots with 2 4GB sticks

Based asus

>>55916489
Asus n53sv?

>>55913811
It already isn't. You need 50gb nowadays for a single game. If you're gonna make a ramdisk, you will need 64gb minimum, then put around 50gb as a ramdisk. You're doing it wrong if you're paying hundreds to use a pcie/m2 ssd which is only a fraction of the speed.

>>55913811
4GB in my """Gaming laptop"""
Not once have I needed more.
mfw Windows XP

>>55913855
>DDR3
Still on DDR2 for my stuff.

>>55914140
>p4 2GB
Hello, friend.

You got HT yet?
Gateway 500GR / Dell Dimension 2400 / Compaq Evo D310v / Compaq Evo D500 SFF / Compaq Evo D510SFF here.

Socket 478 is the best socket.

>>55914264
>Chrome
You will now need a new browser.

>>55914360
underrated post.

>>55916537
>70-75C
Are you fucking retarded?
Overclocked 630M in my 14" T430 is getting 90C and it's fine. No drops at all, even turbo clocks don't throttle.
Mobile nvidia GPUs are rated for up to 105C degrees.

>>55917122
>dedicated GPU at 70-75C
Intel GM45 user here...

Only ever had two laptops with dedicated video, Dell Inspiron 8100 with GeForce2 Go 16MB and Inspiron 5160 with GeForce FX5200 Go 64MB.

>>55914197
Shut up AMD

>>55917122
My bad, has been a while since I checked. Just using Chrome right now and it's already at 80°C, it got so hot I could hardly use my hand to press the buttons yesterday.

>>55916699
Samsung RC730, was the best available at the time.

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8GB was never enough...

>>55913811
fifteen minutes

>>55917490
What the heck are you using, After Effects?

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>>55917490
How'd you get those cool dots in lieu of the miniature graphs like I have?


EDIT: found the option while opening task manager to post

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>>55917490
>83GB page file

>>55917490
Which program can use such an amount of RAM?

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>>55917587
>EDIT
Could you please take your tripcode and fuck off?
You should be dead by now. Why won't you liquidate yourself?

>>55917615
jvm

>>55917490
>tfw had to pass up a really cheap offer for 128 GB of used ECC RAM because the website ships to every european country except germany
feelsbadman

>>55917587
damn, is hidpi in windows 10 still that bad? not even the fucking taskmanager scales

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>>55917657
I changed settings but didn't log out like it said to. Here's how it looks now (I logged out just for this post)

>>55917657
Please stop responding to this trash. Could you?

>>55917729
>caring

>>55913811
Some years, still enough.

i have 3 GB on my laptop okay i guess .
i dont know how to open and add ram to this and isnt my machine but only one i have so i cant risk it.

it would be nice to have 24gb ram

>>55914140
ayy, I have a p4 with 512mb DDR, I'm doing just fine.

>>55917753
Yes, I do care. I fucking hate this autistic attention-whoring fat shit that contaminates every thread I visit. Really, every single person in this thread just posts the screenshot, now look at this trash's screenshot. He's so insecure that he fucking signed it with his stupid name. How cringe is that?
This shit was posting his dick and movies of literally cumming on this board. Why mods won't ban him? Oh right, it's a containment board.

>>55917795
>i dont know how to open
Usually there's a nice easy tray held on by screws on the bottom of the laptop that when opened exposes the RAM slots. Can't you just Google the manual for the laptop if you're really that concerned?

under debian with a ton of shit open and it's at 2GB with no swap usage
whats wrong with the huge windows usage? Dumb

>>55917807
>This shit was posting her dick and movies of literally cumming on this board. Why mods won't ban her? Oh right, it's a containment board.
You might have mistaken me for another poster. I've never cum on this board.

>>55917581
Server 2012 R2 running ~30 VM's in Hyper-V

>>55917599
Nope, only 20GB, but even that's on an SSD.

>>55917615
Server 2012 R2 running ~30 VM's in Hyper-V

>>55917622
A lot of times, you can get it for free or scrap value based on weight, as companies start to recycle.

>>55917831
but you still shit on every thread you visit with your lack of attention. Please, just abort yourself. Relieve your family of confusion and shame.

>>55917807
>I fucking hate
Well, that's your first mistake. Thinking anyone cares beyond trolling you.

>>55917856
>ruining the thread even more instead of just filtering or ignoring posts you don't like

>>55917875
>trolling
Well, that's a sign of mental illness. How alone and toxic a person must be to troll on an anonymous board about technology?

>>55917845
>tfw inferior Ubuntu Server peasant scum with 32GB of RAM, no ECC, and limited to 6 VMs

>>55917876
That's what millennials do when they don't like something. Ignore it? Nah. Hide the post? WHAT ARE YOU A MADMAN? I'M GOING TO WHINE LOUDLY UNTIL YOU GO AWAY LIKE MOMMY.

>>55917918
The poster above was simply commenting on the hypocrisy of the complainer. He's upset that the threads are ruined yet in reality he's the one ruining this one.

>>55917906
>Well, that's a sign of mental illness
Cool, I'll add it to the collection

>How alone and toxic a person must be to troll on an anonymous board about technology?
You tell me?

>>55914737
>For a desktop
Lmao what
An extra 8gb dimm for my laptop is $30

>>55917961
Very.
>>55917944
You're a trash and waste of air. kys
I hope this was the attention you expected by posting your name in this thread.

>>55916420
lmao wut... i dropped 1200$ on a laptop
got a gtx 980m 256gb pcie ssd 1tb hdd and 24gb of ram.

>>55914999
>Update
>Incorrectly labels megatransfers as MHz
>Uses that to try find the latency
>Calls that MHz too
You know what, fuck it. I have 8GHz RAM at 2133MHz with 18MHz latency and my tower measures 40MHz by 20MHz by 30MHz for a total of one metric fuckton of ultrahertz!!!1

>>55913811
>open a few PDFs and some tabs in chrome
>~6 GB of RAM
>each instance of firefox uses at least 400MB
I guess it's not longer enough now

>>55917795
On my lovingly named "faptop" (A Toshiba Satellite A134-S4427 I use to shitpost and watch pr0n), I've got 1.5GB total RAM. Only issue is that audio drivers are complete garbage and all the sound is fucked.

>>55917845
>a lot of times you can get it for free
This is very true, I once got a dual Slot-1 motherboard in about 2001 (Dual Pentium II board only), with a GeForce 2 and some other shit. Probably the best computer in my neighborhood at the time.

Later on I even got a dual Socket 370 mainboard for dual Celerons and got pushed to the top again.

Nowadays, though, people recycle it and I don't often find any good stuff anymore.

>>55918220
>Nowadays, though, people recycle it and I don't often find any good stuff anymore.
Right, but if you have a little cash, you can buy it based on weight, and offer maybe 10% more.

I bought a quantity of server drives that way. Paid $5K for the lot, ended up clearing $80K, and that was after selling them to resellers.

Obviously not every lot is going to be like that, but it's definitely possible if you know what you're looking at.

>>55917845
>A lot of times, you can get it for free or scrap value based on weight, as companies start to recycle.
Yeah, I snagged two used E5 2670s for $70 each, but I didn't find anything cheaper than $20/4GB or so for used DDR3 ECC memory.

(So I just sucked it up and spent $180 on the lot)

>>55913811
Even 2GB is enough for most normies

>>55918298
They had a pallet of 10k RPM server drives once...

Bought them all for $200.

There were probably a thousand there, but only like 8 or 9 still worked.

IT WAS STILL WORTH IT.

>>55918081
>Incorrectly labels megatransfers as MHz
Hertz is applicable to everything periodic. The unit is literally just “1/s”.

If you want to get pedantic about calling it “transfers”, then you also need a few other virtual units to the other numbers.

>Uses that to try find the latency
It's valid reasoning. If you need that many clock ticks for the memory controller to get you your data, that's the latency you end up with.

>Calls that MHz too
What do you mean, too? Wasn't that what your first point was already about? Why are you repeating yourself? But allow me to refer to my previous justification

>You know what, fuck it. I have 8GHz RAM at 2133MHz with 18MHz latency and my tower measures 40MHz by 20MHz by 30MHz for a total of one metric fuckton of ultrahertz!!!1
Enjoy your pseudoscience

>>55918323
nop, a windows system with a browser on youtube would struggle on 2gb

>>55915060
Are you retarded?

>>55918601
>It's valid reasoning. If you need that many clock ticks for the memory controller to get you your data, that's the latency you end up with.
Except that's HALF the latency you end up with as you're taking the megatransfers number, not the clock rate of the RAM you muppet.
>What do you mean, too? Wasn't that what your first point was already about? Why are you repeating yourself? But allow me to refer to my previous justification
That idiot referred to latency as MHz when we're talking about time, which is not measured in hertz but rather in seconds. If you don't understand this then you don't really belong in any discussion about the technical aspects of RAM.
>Enjoy your pseudoscience
That was exactly my point. Referring to random things as hertz is absurd.

>>55918786
tfw I ate sandwiches at a rate of 0.00001157407 Hz yesterday

>>55918786
>That idiot referred to latency as MHz when we're talking about time, which is not measured in hertz but rather in seconds.
Are you mentally deficient? Hertz is literally the same as time, it's just the inverse unit

Lower latency (s) = higher hertz (1/s)

As far as I can tell, you're the only one mentally incapable of understanding that you can also measure latencies in terms of throughput (where higher = better)

>Except that's HALF the latency you end up with as you're taking the megatransfers number, not the clock rate of the RAM you muppet.
Uh huh, I'm sure a factor of 2 on both numbers would change which of the two compared memory types is faster

>That was exactly my point. Referring to random things as hertz is absurd.
What the fuck? Do you fail to understand the fundamentals of basic SI units?

What's next, physicists who interchange wavelength and frequency are also retarded?

Why do new laptops come with soldered RAM? Other than trying to screw us over, do they have any benefits at all?

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>>55918655
No it won't

Have pretty much this setup hooked to my TV. Some lulzy 7 or 8 year old core2duo system from a relatives workplace. They were just tossing them out so kthx swiped.

no issues

>>55918917
I disagree from my experiences

>>55918866
>Are you mentally deficient? Hertz is literally the same as time, it's just the inverse unit
I should be asking you that. Do you refer to time as frequency and frequency as time? They're inverse units and so not interchangeable.
>you can also measure latencies in terms of throughput (where higher = better)
I... what? Are you a troll. Pretty sure that's the sentence that blew your cover mate.
>Uh huh, I'm sure a factor of 2 on both numbers would change which of the two compared memory types is faster
That's irrelevant as confusing the transfer rate with the clock rate is the issue here.
>What the fuck? Do you fail to understand the fundamentals of basic SI units?
Are you intentionally misunderstanding a joke or are you really just a mucous eating oaf?
>What's next, physicists who interchange wavelength and frequency are also retarded?
Yes, as anyone who uses the wrong units to refer to something in a professional environment (or even a school environment) is a mouth breathing knuckle dragger. You'll lose points in an exam and you'd cause serious problems with other members on your team.

>>55918917
AMD C-60 netbook for this purpose. 2GB of RAM and integrated Radeon GPU, actually runs all my games perfect and can do 720p video...

Only issue is that the screen is smashed to hell and back, and it's not worth my time to repair it, so I've got it connected to a 1080p TV to watch YouTube and Kiss Cartoon on.

With Windows 7, it lets me have 4, maybe 5 tabs open before it starts to slow down. i get the feeling it should be running XP, but it seems like everything I can find on it points towards it running 7 from the factory.

Acer Aspire One 722 I think. I'd have to look later when I can.

>>55918964
You think you need >2GB of ram to just use some simple streaming or websites?

How many toolbars did you click yes on?

>>55918975
>I should be asking you that. Do you refer to time as frequency and frequency as time? They're inverse units and so not interchangeable.
>once per day
>every 24 hours
yep, same thing

>>55918975
>I... what? Are you a troll. Pretty sure that's the sentence that blew your cover mate.

Let's think for a moment:
>CPU A needs 20 minutes per episode
>CPU B needs 15 minutes per episode
The second one is obviously faster (lower amount of time taken)

Now let's look at the inverse units:
>CPU A encodes 3 episodes per hour
>CPU B encodes 4 episodes per hour
The second one is still obviously faster, but this time it's the higher frequency that's better

Higher frequency = better = lower time needed

It's real, REAL simple stuff here

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>>55919069
Yup, troll. Thanks for the confirmation.
7/10, took me a few posts to realise.

>>55918975
>Yes, as anyone who uses the wrong units to refer to something in a professional environment (or even a school environment) is a mouth breathing knuckle dragger. You'll lose points in an exam and you'd cause serious problems with other members on your team.
Holy shit, what do they feed the people in your country to make them this retarded?

Over here in yurop even high schoolers learn how to convert between time periods in seconds and frequencies in hz. Does using the “wrong unit” present a serious industrial hazard in the land of the burger because people see “hz” and think “huhh???? what kind of time unit is this???? idgi.. it's not a second, not a minute... huhhhh????” or what?

>>55918917
The nigger probably has an 64-bit Windows OS running on 2GB of RAM

>>55919107
>Oh hey, this thing happens 20 times per second. Should I label it 20 hertz? Naw, frequency and time are interchangeable, I'll just label it 20s
That's what you're defending.

test

>>55919105
But I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely failing to understand how you fail to understand this basic concept

Every thing I have posted has been logically sound, and then you came here and bitched at me for using the inverse unit of time for comparing memory performance

Here, let me fucking make you happy by doing the conversion for you since you seem to be too stupid to use a calculator:

>2133 MHz / 15 = 142.2 MHz
>1600 MHz / 11 = 145.5 MHz
>second is better

1 / 142.2 MHz = 7.03 ns
1 / 145.5 MHz = 6.87 ns
>second is still better

oh, and before you complain about the factor of two also missing, let me make you perfectly happy:
>7.03 ns * 2 = 14.06 ns
>6.87 ns * 2 = 13.74 ns
>SECOND IS STILL FUCKING BETTER

wow it's fucking nothing

I'm getting seriously trolled hard here

>Tfw editing multi layered photoshop files of 11,000 DPI 8x10 large format photos
>le 8 gb is enough xD

>>55919184
>taking the b8
kys cuck

>>55919146
How fucking stupid are you? Do you not understand what an inverse unit is? You have to inverse the number when exchanging the label

20 times per second = 20 Hz

To convert that to the inverse unit you need to take the reciprocal or 1/20 s = 50 ms

This is REALLY basic

>>55919218
>hurr durr derp I was just pretending to be retarded
uh huh, sure

>>55919220
1/20 can't be bigger than 20, checkmate

>>55919184
>Still using the megatransfers figure to calculate latency
No, nononononononono you can't be this dim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM
Protip, 2133 "MHz" DDR3 IS NOT RUNNING 2133MHz. That is not the actual clock speed.

>>55919237
I'm not him you dumb nigger

>>55913811
whenever my video games demand more
I could run comfortably on 2GB right now if I didn't have fucking video games to compute

I have 64gb of RAM

>>55919270
It's 2133MT/s It's 1066MHz.

>>55919184
>>2133 MHz / 15 = 142.2 MHz
>>1600 MHz / 11 = 145.5 MHz
>>second is better
Ok, going back and ignoring that you're still working off double the actual clock speed, you're saying that HIGHER LATENCY (as in longer time to get shit to memory) is better which is not the case.
>>55919304
Yes, thank you, finally someone that has understood it.

>>55919270
THE CONSTANT FACTOR DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER FOR THE SAKE OF COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT MEMORY SPEEDS AND CAS LATENCIES YOU MORON

I SWEAR IF YOU REPLY TO THIS AGAIN I WILL BACKTRACE YOUR IP SO I CAN UNSCREW YOUR HEAD AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK

>>55919318
>you're saying that HIGHER LATENCY (as in longer time to get shit to memory) is better which is not the case.
I WAS COMPARING SPEEDS

HIGHER SPEED ==== LOWER LATENCY

HIGHER
SPEED


LOWER
LATENCY

THEY ARE I N T E R C H A N G E A B L E

GET THAT INTO YOUR SKULL NUMBNUTS

I'M NOT EVEN ANGRY

>>55919344
kys cuck
Nobody even takes you seriously anymore. Take your incompetence with you and fuck off

>>55919344
Here is the formula from wikipedia:
(CAS / Frequency (MHz)) × 1000 = X ns
Now, here are the numbers you have provided:
2133MT, 15 CAS latency
1600MT 11 CAS latency
(15/1066)*1000=~14 nanoseconds.
(11/800)*1000=13.75 nanoseconds

That is JUST the latency, no mention of throughput or bandwidth. I cannot believe I actually did this out for you, you absolute imbecile.

>>55919413
(15/1066)*1000=~14 nanoseconds.
(11/800)*1000=13.75 nanoseconds

wow it's the exact numbers I posted >>55919184

>>55914174
Minecraft

>>55919493
That's just Java being itself there, find a game without 11,000 children playing it all at once and maybe you'll get decent performance.

>>55919413
I bet you're the guy who insists on writing every single number out to the 10th decimal place in a maths exam because “muh exactness!!!1!1!”

Yes, if you want to know the exact time you need to transfer the first word of any given memory region after a cache miss, that would be the full formula you have to apply

but the idea here was not measuring the full time taken, it was simply comparing two different DRAM timings to figure out which one is faster in practice. For this, only the coefficient function of the relevant parameters matters, as everything else is a linear function and therefore a poset homomorphism

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>>55919441
I give up. You have trolled me successfully. I'm going out for a drink with my friends. Have a random picture of a cow that I have saved for some reason. Enjoy your evening anon <3

>>55916544
That would be 8gb of bull

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>>55913811
>How long until 8GB of RAM is no longer enough?
If this thread is anything to go by, the real question is "How long until anon understands how RAM timing works?"

>>55914737
How poor are you?
Like HueHue poor or just eastern european poor?

>>55918066

I sure hope you didn't spend your money on a hulking sager, or god forbid you got suckered into the gigabyte P35 meme because that shit will catch your dick on fire.

>>55919593
College student poor.

>>55914558
UNUSED RAM IS WASTED RAM

>t420 with Xubuntu
>comes with 4GB RAM
>upgrade to 8GB RAM
>Free memory: 85%

8GB is a meme. 16GB is a joke

I don't do anything intensive, but I can't imagine needing more.

>>55919607
I'm sorry, i forgot there was worse problems than living in third world poverty.
At least their entire economy is based around the fact that everyone is dirt poor.

>>55919561
>Have a random picture of a cow that I have saved for some reason
You aren't fooling me with your subtle cow2beef reference

>I give up. You have trolled me successfully.
Says the one literally attacking me for using a formula that gives me the exact same result as the one you're telling me I was supposed to use

good joke

>>55914866
>Needing more than 256MB

Pleb

im still using 2gb on my desktop

>>55913811
not enough WHAT FOR?

>>55917845
>Server 2012 R2 running ~30 VM's in Hyper-V
Well there's your problem. Your average desktop user should never need to run more than 1, maybe 2 VMs at a time.

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>>55917490
Step out, pleb

>>55919561
>>55919704
Oh, before I forget, here's another neat way I could have arrived at the same conclusion:

λ (1600/2133) * (15/11)
1.0228870988364658

not only does this tell me what I already knew (the 1600 MHz memory is faster) but it also tells me by how much: 2.2%

enjoy having your mind blow, because this time I ain't explaining it to you :^)

>>55919302
You fell for the meme

>>55914737
Desktop and laptop RAM are not significantly different in price. Just DIY if you can't afford a base model with that much RAM.

>if I buy more, it is better!

I hate reading this shit. I've had 8GB of RAM since 2009 and my consumer-self only cares about tech demos, video games, photoshop and light vegas. I think my 8GB is fine

>>55919720
>Needing more than the extended registers and L1 cache in your CPU
plebeians.

>>55913811
>not using swap insead of ram

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>>55919804
>Desktop and laptop RAM are not significantly different in price
the jews don't agree with you

>>55920024
Why in the name of fuck would you buy off the Dell website?

>>55920024
>Paying for the Dell logo

>>55920051
I didn't, I just looked it up

if games need more than 8 gigs then I need to upgrade in the future, I was just curious how much it would cost

>>55920024
>buying from dell
Why won't you just leave this board?

>>55919961
>needing more than one register
lmao @ amateur “computer scientists”

>>55920135
>he doesn't like dell

>>55920150
ya got me there man, you win this round.

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>>55913811
tfw i only have 2 gb

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>not fully populating your RAM slots to use for cache and ramdisk

unused memory isn't wasted memory if you know what to do with it

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>>55920563
i am using 3GB for a folder to make fast file transfer, and put torrent stuff in there for not kill the disk.

>>55914558
How the fuck are you using 11 ram dude i max out at 3

>>55921875
It's technology.

>>55914409
why would it matter when the swap file on your pcie ssd does 1500mb/s read and write? fuck i have 4gb ram on my 2013 mba and it still flies despite having only a 500mb/s read and write ssd

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>>55922013
Well RAM is faster than the fastest SSD.

>>55922013
Getting more RAM is cheaper than getting a PCIe SSD, no?

>>55913811
It would be enough for everything if fucking developers actually optimize their codes.

>>55914201
>>55917072
>>55917803
>>55914140
Poorfags

>>55922013
>>55922050
no shit sherlock but for swap purposes (at least in a non-shit operating system like OSX) a fast enough swap can make completely make up for a lack of RAM. in real world usage you'd only really notice it if you were paging things large enough to fill up the all the physical ram (i.e. RAW images in Photoshop)

When I'm dead and in the ground

>>55922013
2013 MBA actually has a 750/700 read write SSD

>>55914652
>>55914558
>>55914843
Fallout 4 is so shit. I can't build anything for my settlements because I only have two crafting options, basically ruined the game for me.

>>55922059
>his computer didn't come with a PCIe SSD stock

LOL

>>55922117
>>>/v/

>>55922134
>he buys a prebuilt PC
cuck

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>>55922134
I don't think mine is hands-down king any more but fug is she fast!

>>55915916
Burned

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>>55913831
>>55914737
Yeah, so?

>>55922151
Most laptops are pre-built. Is there a problem?

>>55922142
Fuck outta here Jordan, remove that god damn trip you neet.

>>55922158
>Windows 10

LOL FAIL

>>55922173
>didn't get X running under alpine
weak

Also, ECS runs in VirtualBox?
had issues last time I tried, but it's been forever

>>55913811
Considering how many people are switching to phones and tablets, for a while I imagine.

I hope so because I'm still stuck with 6GBs

>>55922177
>using laptops
degenerate casual

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>>55922254
Joke's on you. I'm using my laptop on my desk with a mouse and an external secondary monitor to expand my desktop, and when I don't feel like sitting up, I can take it off my desk and continue using it lying down in my bed relaxing.

You just can't do that with a desktop.

>>55922158
>laptop
>those temps

several moments in a graphical manipulation tool

>>55922324
>what is a PC hooked to a fuck off TV and some wireless peripherals

total cost: literally dollars

>>55922158
> gtx970m
planning to buy the graphics amplifier?
will it support gtx1080?

>>55922371
It should support 1080, and at the moment I do not plan on any sort of external GPU solution but this laptop has thunderbolt and also that alienware specific port. When the day comes that the 970m isn't enough to play some game I want to play I might consider the external solution.

>>55919777
Now throw up a speccy showing that's it not virtual...

>>55919733
Who said anything about me being an average desktop user?

>>55913811
CPUs are at their end game performance wise. Unless you are working on a compute farm, 8GB is prolly all you'll need.

>>55923321
CPUs aren't the same as RAMs

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it is already no longer enough

god forbid if I wanted to run more than 1 vm.

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>>55914029
>stop running garbage stacked on top of other garbage

so stop using computers?

(new captcha?)

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>>55920024
>europe

>work for it based software
>dont know shit about hardware

I really thought laptop ram was proprietary and you have to buy from the manufactuter to get your gaming laptop ram upgraded

>>55923568
It is...why do you think Dell and Apple sell RAM on their site?

>>55913811
a few years ago

>>55914029
>never needing more then 4gb ram
why are you even on a computer little boy?

does the error that says "memory cant be read" mean you ran out of ram and need more.

>>55915121
I have a 2400mhz CL11 DDR3. It is better than your pos for sure

>>55913811
When you do CAD or real work and not gaymen.

>>>/v/

I have 5Gb of DDR3 in my laptop and I'm happy, why 8?

>>55924987
Because my OCD likes multiples of 2.

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>>55913811

>>55913811
you only need 4 megs of ram

its all you will ever need

>>55922084
Why the fuck do you care about my current and past financial status, or even my computer collection no less?

>>55926003
Why the hell is that good enough?

>>55926081
it runs doom

>>55926107
I'd prefer 32MB because DooM II and Windows 98SE / 2000.

>>55913811
I do a lot of 3d work and deeply layered high res photoshop work so I've been maxing out 24gb at times. I'm actually worried an upgrade to 32gb isn't going to keep me ahead of my needs for too long. You realize VRAM on mid tier gaming cards has reached 8 gigs now right?

>>55914377
how can you not afford 8gb ram, it's like 40$

>>55915783
>muh ecc meme

easily beaten with rowhammering. ecc is a placebo

>>55915880


>ECC
>For consumer grade use

Are you literally retarded? Did you google this and somehow come up with the idea that it's superior? ECC only ever becomes useful when performing a huge number of read / write cycles per day. Why don't you go ahead and drop $8,000 for a Xeon processor dude, it's worth it. Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY needs ECC unless they are running a server. Period. Do not give tech advice to anyone ever again.

>>55926363
>Why don't you go ahead and drop $8,000 for a Xeon
Are you literally retarded?

>Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY needs ECC unless they are running a server. Period.
Do not give tech advice to anyone ever again.

Well, you may not have nay idea what you're talking about, but you can at least take your own advice...

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>>55913811
>8gb ram is no longer enough

>>55913828
>3828
NO

>>55916083
i want megalomaniacs to leave

>>55913811
now

Please suggest me the best RAM for playing 2007-2009 fps games at high performance.
1) DDR3 or DDR4?
2) 8 GB or 16 GB?
3) ECC or not-ECC?
4) clock speed?
5) CL?

>>55923412
My point is that a CPU can't manipulate 64TB or RAM fast enough to utilize all the memory effectively.

>>55914080
Not having a page file actually increases ssd wear because stuff that would be buffered is not.

>>55913811
If you only gaym and fap to 4chan trap threads, then 8gb is more than enough.

If you do actual work on your computer, then 8gb can easily be not enough. Large photoshop PSDs and VMs can eat up memory faster than any videogame.

>>55927621
If you're building a new computer, get the cheapest available 8GB DDR4.

>>55927753
1x8GB or 2x4GB?
I'm building a new computer infact, but some people told me that video cards perform better kn 16 GB RAM than on 8 GB RAM.

>>55913811
One more year for gaming, ~4 years for office use.

>>55914409
Macbook Pro with Retina display doesn't have this problem... Wait.

>8GB DIMMs for literally €20
Why don't you just get four of them you peasants

>>55914409
Your fault for not spending more when you bought it. I remember when I was buying a new MBP after my old one's mobo broke at almost 5 years. I chose the non-retina '12 15" because I wasn't gonna pay the apple tax on ram and my eyes suck so retina doesn't look that much better to me.

>>55927621
can you use ECC with any CPU ?

>>55915853
>Telling consumers in a materialist society to not consume.

Good luck with that, you'll have as much luck trying to "shame" fat people to get healthy.

>>55927842
you won't find DDR4 ECC for €20

Everyday users 8gb will always be enough or too much, it's all the shit that people put on there laptops/desktops that isnt standard use and then moan about memory or it being slow.

One of the companies I contract for have been installing 16gb of ram in all the laptops and desktops because people think they're slow and more memory will make them quicker... I proposed the idea to only install 8gb and a SSD and they looked at me like i was crazy! They have a 64bit OS but only use 32bit apps....

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What about for music production? Is an Acer aspire 5251 with upgraded 8 gigs of ram going to cut it? They are like $100 and $144 total for 8 gigs.

Are there better options for music production?

>>55927974

I meant to ask... Are there better setups for Music production for under $250

>>55927951
That's because those normies probably never updated their applications. So many companies/software writers I have seen this past year have finally dropped xp and os x 10.6-10.8.

>>55915048
it's not slower if it has the same MHZ

people just think that because they didn't make ECC for very high MHZ

My CuckBook Air has 4GB and works just fine for development.

>>55913811
My computer literally have 2 gb of ram, It has been 7 years since a upgraded it and I never needed more, only if you're some kind of faggot who play video games will streaming his shit