What valid reason for using Windows is there besides video games?

Professional programs like CAD/CAM software, video/photo editing, various music programs.

>>55859456
>CAD/CAM software
Siemens makes CAD and CAM software that is avaliable on linux, which is used by Mercedes, so this arguement is invalid.

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What valid reason for using Linux is there besides acute autism?

>>55859436
There's none

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Windows has a better UI than linux (objectively speaking)

Linux just steal ideas from Windows and Apple UI. Basically unoriginal and not forward-thinking. I believe some of them have Win98 philosophy which is pathetic in this age.

So in essence: Windows has more risk-taking UI, better support and more options.

>>55859486
It is not as good as autodesk though.

>>55859486
>this company makes a special snowflake software that one other company uses so it totally counts
No, fuck off. Until Solidworks and or CATIA are linux compatible, the argument stands.

>>55859436
Video editing.

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>>55859531
>autodesk
>good

>>55859456
You can use Wine for that you know (the only major problems I know about Wine is that it doesn't support beyond DX9).

>besides video games
Oh dear, it's such a tragedy you can't play your shitty new pseduo-game movies on GNU.

If a game isn't available on GNU, there's a very good chance that it's shit anyway, and if it's one of the very few that is good but not on GNU, there's a good chance wine runs it flawlessly. And any left over, who really gives a flying fuck?

There's no reasons left to run Windows. None.

>>55859617
WINE does not play nice with CAD/CAM software.

>>55859436
For me it's an Equalizer APO equivalent, and yeah video games too.

Linux is used heavily for backend stuff you do not see like servers and such
Android is also Linux based
Windows is just popular because lots of people grew up with it, it comes with every new computer that is not a Mac, and because nearly every piece of software is made really only for windows.
Mac is for normies who don't like or know how to use PCs and artists/musicians.

>>55859531
I used both and its way better than autodesk

>>55859543
>an actual company that produces vehicles on global scale uses cad software on linux
>hurr durr it doosnt count because i say so

>>55859562
dat industry standard though, as long as it's used in professional places it's over.

>>55859618
not sure about you but a number of my favorite games are only on windows or on consoles, and the way they run on my PC makes me never want to play the console version again.

Granted I've never actually tried running those games on linux. Have no idea if they work or not.

>>55859659
>a shitty company that produces shitty vehicles that break all over the world and cost a fortune to fix use a cheap no name CAD software without even a decade of pedigree
>probably only runs on linux due to Mac compatibility anyway
Color me surprised.
>>55859671
AutoCAD isn't the industry standard by any means. Solidworks is far more popular and CATIA is what all the bigwigs like Boeing use.

>>55859741
>runs on linux due to Mac compatibility

Holy shit this is the people in /g/ now

I don't have to break open Terminal every 30 seconds, or edit 90 config files every time I want to make a program work correctly on my hardware.

>>55859436
>What valid reason for using Windows is there besides video games?
it is the OS that came on my computer

considering I just browse the web and use word, what valid reason is there to use linux?

>>55859767
>making it Mac compatible isn't already most of the way to making it linux compatible

A lot of hardware, including that in most laptops, lack Lincucks drivers.

>>55859808
> you just browse the web and use libreoffice

also your privacy stays intact.

>>55859436
Non gaymen related software.
GNU/Linux sucks as desktop platform
I like Windows platform.

>>55859858
also installing linux is pretty hard

if it was easier I would do it

.NET development C#

>>55859527
I don't think you understand how udderly retarded you sound. There is literally thousands of themes, multiple DE and fuckin millions of original icons.

Please, just drink the bleach or take some of your Valume with a few shots.

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>>55859741

>>55859894
>also installing linux is pretty hard
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5iFE6zBHPE

>>55859938
>There is literally thousands of themes, multiple DE and fuckin millions of original icons.
And this somehow makes a better UI?
No, it doesnt. More things dont make a turd better.

>>55859626
Or anything Adobe.

>>55859894
Are you baiting us?

>is pretty hard

Lurk more faggot and learn a simple shit by using google or whatever.

>>55859974
> Windows has a better UI than linux (objectively speaking)

Linux just steal ideas from Windows and Apple UI. Basically unoriginal and not forward-thinking. I believe some of them have Win98 philosophy which is pathetic in this age.

So in essence: Windows has more risk-taking UI, better support and more options.


You say that it's all copy's then try to refute it's just shit looking. If you're gonna shit post, keep it consistent.

>>55859894
Installing Lubuntu:
>boot up via USB drive
>select live session
>once it's started up, start install
>partition the drive you're gonna use
>input user info etc.
>browse Firefox for literally 5 minutes while it copies the files and installs
>restart

There, done

>>55859527
Objectively speaking, Linux doesn't have a graphical UI. It's a kernel.

>>55860021
can I use a flash drive that has data on it or will it rewrite all the data?

>>55859894
It really isn't. I bet you send everybody farmville requests too. Even your own friends don't like you.

>>55860014
>two guys can't think different from me!
>>55860026
Don't be a fool, you know to what is he referring to.

>>55860050
Not sure, I usually format my USB drive but I think it's possible to copy the .iso over without first formatting the drive.

>>55860014
Nice b8 m8
Yes all ioerating systems take good features from each other and there are more than a few windows UI features that originated with linux.
https://itsfoss.com/windows-10-inspired-linux/
2/10 made me reply

>>55860058
You literally said that they all copy from Windows and OSX. I then told you that there is millions of combinations in UI to choose from then you just say it looks like shit and say "I win." Thats not how this works.

>>55860021
>plug in second monitor
>break Linux installation
oops lol

>>55860093
Follow back on that, it was a quote of some faggot that can't even argue his point. I'm on my phone so it didn't come out like I wanted it, but I agree with you.

>>55860095
I never said that, because I'm not him.
I only said that having a gorillon things to combine and choose is not good, as you imply.

>>55859645
>autodesk

It's no 2006 anymore, gramps.

>>55860109
Diversity is not good? Hitler thought the same.

>>55860115
It is 3dsmax now, if I'm correct.

>>55860122
>le reductio ad hitlerum
Diversity was one of the reason for why linux and unix never came to the desktop first.
Diversity leads to balkanization.
Oh, and, with some precautions, that also applies to human groups.

>>55859436
>What valid reason for using Windows is there besides video games?
Office
Enterprise support
Exchange
Visual Studio
Autodesk (Inventor, AutoCAD)
SolidWorks
Active Directory integration

>>55859741
>XDDD All these companies are shitty because I say so, so that means my argument is right!

/g/ kids, everyone

>>55860164
>not even in the top five CAD programs used when there's only like a dozen ones actively used in industry
>thinking it counts

>>55860050
No, you need to format the drive.

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>>55859436

Yes, let me used Linux so whenever my Live TV Broadcasting got an error my boss will fired me because I'm such an autistic faggot who choose not to run a stable and more compatible OS or a stable and more supported non-FOSS software.

Fucking retard.

>>55860145
>Enterprise support
There is enterprise support available for linux
> Exchange
Works fine with evolution
> AD integration
Works fine with realmd.

>>55859968
>>55859996
>>55860051
>>55860206

I actually literally tried to install a linux distro today and it didn't work, it is NOT easy

and it is not because I didn't use google or research my problems, it is legitimately hard for people who aren't computer people or something, let me tell you what happened

first of all I installed the network installation to my flash drive and plugged it in and my computer couldn't find it

so I did some research and learned some computers block USB from the bios, also some newer computers have something called UEFI which doesn't accept USB boots or something

so I went into bios settings and no, my computer accepted USB fine, I moved it up to highest boot priority

but it still didn't work, so I checked if the checksum was right, if the formatting of the drive was right, it still only found HDD and ethernet(wtf? boot from ethernet?)

so it turned out some ports aren't bootable apparently, I finally figured out how to even open up linux but it still wouldn't install because it can't find the repo

after going through the settings I put in the wifi info to install and I kept on getting a "DHCP Configuration Failed", what does that mean? i put in the internet right, but even if I selected no auto DHCP it says "repository not found"

so I had to do it manually, inside, I followed the instructions and it asked me a bunch of shit like IP address with network prefix, Gateway IP address, Name Server IP Address, these are NOT things layman know about

and still after figuring out what those things mean and putting them in gave me a "repository not found"

so I did some research and found this
http://hnng.moe/BgR
apparently if you don't install it right on the drive it won't work? there is no slow USB speed, I think my problem may be my flash drive (2 gb) is too small/corrupt or something

and I STILL didn't install it. Installing linux may be easy on your computer but it's not working on mine. I will try later

>>55859626
this meme that ALL windows software can be run in wine needs to stop

>>55859436
There are people that love touch screen so much, they can't see the reason for a stylus.

>>55859436
Using DAW.
Using external sound card (actually having working drivers.)
Using a midi controller (actually having working drivers)
Gaymen.
It werks.

That's about it.

>>55860279
you're just dumb

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>>55860312
I know ;-;

b-but this is the only way to get better at computer stuff I guess

>>55859617
I can't use Wine with VST.
Sibelius don't like Wine.
I have applications that use heavily the undocumented Native API and they definitively don't work in Wine.

>>55860306
implying arch + linux-rt + jack config isn't better than any windows DAW
you shouldn't use a consumerist OS for actual media production

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>>55859527

>>55860279
I'm a Windows7fag but i don't get it how you got there, what distro were you trying to install?

Most distros come with a live cd where you just boot into it and just click next, next, etc with GUI and all, pretty straightforward.

Even debian minimal with the classic installer works like that.

>>55859436
It's a rock solid operating system with exploit mitigation.

Look at FreeBSD. It doesn't even have ALSR.

>>55860387
I tried it a while ago in a realtime contemporary music shit.
I almost was fired. I was a disaster.

>>55860430
>it was
The fuck.

>>55860387
Yeah, no thanks, I'm good, I actually like my stuff to actually work, and not crash. Kinda sucks to be in the middle of a live show, just to have a crash, and ruin your set.

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>>55859486
Siemens NX is used at SpaceX too...

>>55860387
>implying that OSX + CoreAudio isn't sufficent.
>Implying that Windows + ASIO isn't sufficent

>>55859436
What valid reason for using Linux is there besides coding and system administration?

>>55860491
why accept sufficient when you can have the best

>>55860471
which ironically is more likely on windows and osx

>>55860512
Because it's fun.

>>55860524
Because your solution sucks. Meanwhile, both Win and OSX are better and more compatible.

>>55860471
You're clearly not doing it right. You have to get the Microsoft Windows minimal iso.

>>55859436

>welcome to our company anon, this is your desk, where you'll work with this software we use-
>WHAT NO!!! I ONLY USE FREE SOFTWARE!!!

Let me guess, you still haven't finished school?

>>55860279
Don't write long letters in the internet, just git gud, nobody cares about your apology.

>>55859778
Why does no Linux user every recognize this fact?
I've actually been dual booting Ubuntu for a few days now, and this is really annoying, you have to look sometimes for a shitton of commands to make simple things. And you can't even guess those, you have to look them up on forums and copypaste.

>>55860805
>I'm dumb computers are hard

>>55860657
>working for a soul-crushing company that uses nonfree software
Time to break those chains and make your own way in the world, little one.

>>55860805
>ubuntu
>have to use the terminal
Wait, what? Ubuntu is dumbed down enough where you rarely if ever have to touch a fucking terminal. Are you sure you didn't install arch?

What loonix would you lads suggest for a laptop that only does browsing and media watching? I want something that's low maintenance.

>>55860805
Using the terminal isn't hard, specially if all you do is copy and paste commands, and there are a lot of times on Windows where isn't clear what you have to do and have to Google it.

>>55860964
lubuntu

>>55860353
>>55860306
JACK/JACK2 allows MIDI with very low latency. My Scarlett interface "just werked" with no driver installation needed on archlinux. ALSA immediately recognized it and had no problem playing audio through it. Installing JACK/JACK2 allowed me to pipe the XLR inputs directly to any program that takes an audio-in, like audacity or any VST manager or sequencer like LMMS. It has been a few years since I have mucked around with that software, but Linux-compatible pro-audio tools work fine if you aren't an idiot. Yeah, somtimes specific VSTs don't have a linux port, but most of the time the work fine with wine.

As far as the software crashing (during a live performance or whatever)- This has only ever happened to me with windoze VSTs that don't play nice with wine.

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>>55859553
>video editing
>not using apple

battery life

>>55859456
> music programs
Oh please. Are you a Sonar fenboi or something? All actual DAW's are cross-platform. Also, Core Audio on Mac is vastly superior to any other audio subsystem like ASIO or, God forbid, WASPI or Jack.

>>55859618
So the tomb raider series, metal gear series, bioshock series, etc are all shitty?
kys.

>>55859525
To browse child pornography or very illegal shit that could trigger agencies to follow you closely - via decentralized networks and well configured OS to get all the traffic trough that.

I see no other reason tbqh.

>>55861214
Apple software are not industry standards, nor are they a good enough reason to put up with Apple products.

>>55859436
A whole bunch of software. In fact as soon as you go past the regular stuff (web browser, media player, text editor...) things get sketchy in the Linux world.

OSX is better, but still doesn't have as much as Windows. But lets say you could live with it, you're still stuck with Apple hardware, which is another problem.

>>55861662
>I see no other reason tbqh.
What about setting up a web server for your Taiwanese tiddlywinks image forum

>>55861678
Depends on the industry. Graphic designers use macs almost exclusively from my experience.

>>55861696
That's because they don't know any better. They had macs at le art institute so that's what they know.
They still don't use Apple software though. They mostly use Adobe products I recon.

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>>55859741
>Mercedes
>shitty vehicles

>>55860312
>>55860696
linspergs everyone

>>55861214
You're living in the past, the day of Apple supremacy in music and video are over.
Windows = Apple
Linux is still really late tho...

>>55861692
I will pay someone to do that - if he wishes to use Linux for that - it's his job anyway. I will report if I have problems.

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>>55860140
>android
?????

Why bother? You guys are going to downplay any given reason.

>>55859456
>video/photo editing

Almost every professional photographer uses a Mac for this.

>>55862399
Why bother living? You guys are going to die anyway.

>>55862403
Do you actually make photography? As for music and moviemaking, I can tell you that a lot of people are still stuck on Mac just because of old habits.
Give me one good reason you can't make on Mac what you make on a Win PC.

>>55859436
BASH (tomorrow itll come to everyone right?).

thats 99% of the reason I use Linux right there

>>55859486
>Siemens makes CAD and CAM software that is avaliable on linux
And also on windows, like any other relevant CAD software, so your argument is still invalid.
Whatsapp is available on windows phone, so that must mean windows phone has ALL apps right.
You are a fuckin idiot.
BMW uses catia. You cannot use catia? You do not make business with BMW. Simple as that.

>>55862328
Android is a whole other thing. Google controls how android works, they are a company with power. Any app needs to work on any android phone. For having the same in desktop linux you would need to test 5034923 different distros. No one wants that.

>>55859486
>>55860490
>>55859531
I'd get NX for our company and move workstations to linux, if NX wouldnt cost +80k in dollaroos a pop. Autocad costs few $k's.

Better yet, if using only 2d cad, LT costs $300 a year. Librecad is free, yeah, but sadly aint usable yet.

Can I get something like Ableton or Max/MSP on linux?

>>55862858
Not really, no. And maybe you won't for another 10 years.

But don't despair. Just install Linux where you can, say on a dedicated internet/office/media playing PC. Show that you care.
Only if the user base grows can you expect niche software being made for Linux.

>>55862742
does NX come for linux? I've only ever seen a windows download. If I can get a native linux NX that would be great

>>55862945
I already have. I'll keep windows purely for anything else but I'd much rather have everything within my chosen distro.

>>55859436
I am awful with computers but i'm not completely braindead like applefags.

I'm an exhibitionist and I get off to the fact that Microsoft and the NSA know what horrible stuff I jerk off to.

>>55859436
MPC-HC and madVR

Literally the only reason besides gaming that I'm still using it

>>55859436
There no reason to use WinPOO any more

>>55863289
>what is mpv

>>55863659
>CLI meme player

>>55863724
>mpv
>CLI
What a retard

>>55863067
There should be unix version, wiki says
> Mac OS, Unix-like, Windows XP or later (x86/x64)

So if you're willing to give them $100k, you'll probably get one for linux? Our company would have to pay $500k for licences, and as we employ only 30 people, we could never justify the costs.

>>55861142
as a Linux user and Audio engineer i can tell u Linux is not a good platform for pro audio

>>55863937
as a Windows user and Audio engineer, i can tell u Windows is not a good platform for pro audio

>>55859815
no

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>2016
>not using OpenBSD
are you guys literally retarded?

>>55859617
Have you actually used WINE much. It's software support is EXTEMELY hit and miss.
Don't get me wrong, a reimplimentation of win32 is impressive, but its just not a replacment for Windows by any means.

>>55859815
Not if it relies on specific drivers or a core 3D framework, no.

Altium doesn't have an OSX/Linux version.

[spoiler]but even then you just use a VM to use it[/spoiler]

>>55860279
Debian?

And yes, boot from ethernet is a thing.

>>55859436
Anything audio

Because Microsoft snuck its way into basically every consumer PC, because Linux is a mess that nobody wanted to work with in serious large production numbers and Apple chooses to have MacOS run only on their ow hardware lest it just becomes Windows 2.

People have just got used to it, its familiar to everyone. MacOS is still the best operating system in existence though.

>>55861498
funny how this got no response at all

>>55859741
Every automotive supplier I've worked for has unsed Pro/E / CREO.

Software that was originally designed to run on UNIX, ported to windows while keeping all of the annoying quirks of the UNIX-based design, now with no Linux version.

It's a clusterfuck.

>>55859456
There's professional CAD on Linux, but it is so high up that you'll never touch it (probably because you're a NEET that thinks Photoshop is the epitome of professional software).

Linux has Lightworks and DaVinci Resolve, both of which have been used in blockbuster films. Krita is top notch for drawing. Inkscape is fair enough for vectoring.

Linux has Bitwig, Ardour, JACK, ZynAddSubFx, and a much better audio subsystem than Windows.

>>55859436
Really dude? I mean you are this much of a fucking retard that you do not know how Windows is not just used for video games? Seriously? Are you 12-15yrs old or something?

Ever had a fucking job that uses a computer? Guess what, most companies use Windows. Does that surprise you? I bet it does because you are an idiot who has never actually had a job that requires the use of a pc. I mean they don't count the till at McDonald's as a pc right?

And from the responses you got , I see most here have never actually had a job that did not involve food prep or serve as the primary task.

Good luck in 95+% of office env that use Windows. I can tell you will fit right in..

>>55866503
Oh well could you link some higher profile cad software for linux? Our autocad deal is due to renewal in a few months, I'd like to see the alternatives. Havent found any good alternatives yet. NX is expensive as fuck for companies, draftsight is kinda meh.

Ms office and the fact that it already does everything I need it to do.

>>55859436
Everything just werks

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>>55859938
>udderly

>>55860805
>Why does no Linux user every recognize this fact?
because it's a false claim

>you have to look sometimes for a shitton of commands to make simple things
No one buys this if you're talking about consumer oriented distros like ubuntu.

>And you can't even guess those.
You don't have to guess, there's manuals, it's not an obscure thing even if you try to imply that.

>you have to look them up on forums and copypaste
Do you prefer to follow long tutorials with a lot of screenshots or videos with a guy writing in notepad?

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>>55863937
Hot opinions dude and nice attempt at pulling an argument from authority fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

As a windows certified engineer i can tell you that the windows driver subsystem is a mess that no one should be using:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/12/microsoft-tells-j-s-joust-devs-their-game-is-not-possible-on-windows/

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>>55860026
Linux is an operating-system. Why? Because Linus said so.

>>55859436
I like being able to print in a constant basis from my wireless printer. Bluetooth not crashing after I connect my device would also be a plus.

>>55868655
If windows had a proper package manager and microsoft weren't a terrible company i would probably consider to use windows.

I haven't gotten a virtual surround effect à la dolby headphone to work

>>55867472
Linux is an operating system. But it likely isn't the operating system people refer to when they mention "Linux". Those people are likely referring to GNU/Linux.

>>55869374
>GNU/Linux
Don't you mean X/GNU/Linux? Or as Stallman took to calling it at one point, LiGNUX. Even then, the divide is somewhat arbitrary. Where does this name end? SystemD/X/GNU/Linux? Do we just keep slashing until the name is a wall of text?

>>55869449
No, just GNU/Linux as those components are just subsystems of the GNU framework.

>>55869469
>X and SystemD are subsystems of the GNU framework
You heard it here first folks!