Official retro /g/ thread continued from >>55833893

Old tech is inferior tech. If you use inferior tech, then you are an inferior person.

>>55855812
Stale bait mate, but thanks for bumping.

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best threads

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>>55855857
>tfw your waifu is probably a 70 year old granny today

>>55855759
I wouldn't worry about it desu. There's millions of replacement parts around and you could also replace anything with an FPGA.

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>>55855876
she's just "experienced" bruh

>>55855886
why just replace? just run the whole system in an FPGA
i mean its not emulation

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>you'll never have one

Could >>55848606 be repaired with heating the chip externally?

>>55855918
I'm not an expert on that so I couldn't tell you. But it doesn't seem to me like it would.

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>>55855911

>>55855911
My sister's husband lived in Japan in the early 90's and had one laying in his storage, I got it as a gift after I asked about it from him, that was like 15 years ago, but I sold it years ago, I'm not that interested in that kind of PCs.

>>55855952
>>55855911
moar p0rn

>>55850520
How? What's the use of more expansion ports if it only has 7 IRQ'?
Doesn't the 5150 itself already have enough ISA slots to possibly feed 7 IRQs?

>>55855886
So why of all retro computers, we rarely hear of anything but Commodore gear suffering component failures under normal use. The large majority of IC failures are caused by poor storage conditions (eg. sitting in a barn for 10 years), bad caps, or bad PSUs.

>>55855995
The early breadbox C64's cook themselves because of the shitty fabrication process used and the fact that it runs on 12V.
It's a couple of chips though, usually fixed by heatsinks.

>>55856016
Plus/4s have suffered far more than C64s for lack of replacement chips. :(

>>55856137
They will all suffer as time goes on.

>>55856137
>"An undesirable feature of the chip is its well-known tendency to destroy itself though overheating. To preserve a computer which employs this chip in working order, it is recommended to improve its cooling."

>>55856151
You can't make an FPGA?

>>55856162
The TED was one of the first HMOS ICs Commodore produced and they hadn't mastered the technology yet.

>>55856214
There exist things already like the Minimig and MIST that can run a bunch of cores for different chipsets and CPUs .
Also no, the original hardware will suffer, every piece will fail at one point and be harder to replace, hard to get old new stock items, etc.

>>55856269
Nobody is judging them, chill.

>>55855821
Old tech is inferior tech. If you use inferior tech, then you are an inferior person.

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>>55856525

1 shekel has been deposited into your account.

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>you will never daily drive a PA-RISC flagship

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>I accidently PC and Amiga
>again

>>55856616
been there, done that

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So, I had this great idea last night!

I want to make a 8-bit ISA card for use with the old 8088's, I'll put a RS-232 controller and a Raspberry Pi 3 (or Zero?)
It will be a stand alone way to telnet into the Pi from the 8088 without any extra fuzz, the Pi 3 also has Wifi and could store data/games.

What other ideas do you guys propose for my board? Floppy/IDE emulator? Network interface? I have the whole ISA slot.

It would be great for things like the one anon is making a telnet server for the 4chan API.

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>>55856649
please don't turn this into a shitposting war again family

>>55856675
you're going to tell me it was shit but I don't even care anymore

>>55856700
>please don't turn this into a shitposting war again family
Again? Not my fault if people like to shitpost.

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I'd love to collect old computers but I never see any and I dont have the room for them so I just get hi-fi equipment, vhs and old games

>>55855911
this is fucking cool man

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>not posting on /g/ from a PowerMac G4 w/ OS 9.2.1

>>55856700
>shitposting
shitposting is what keeps these threads alive in the first place
they would be out bumped by raspi and GPU threads in a hour

>>55856764
>not playing Quake glide with a Voodoo 2 PCI on your PowerMac G4 with OS 9.2.1
You could have at least bothered to fire up your G4 and not give some generic screenshot.

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>>55856786
I have the ATi Rage 128 16MB. It's 1:20am, I'm not going to go get it from the loft.

>>55856696
Always thought it would be cool to implement something like that with the SBC acting as a webrender proxy (and telnet server) that you can connect to through an emulated ethernet interface.

>>55856764
Got an 800 MHz eMac with 9.2.2 right next to me, still looking for a 10.1.4 image for it so I can dualboot it.

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>>55856764

>not shitposting from a C64

>>55856858
Awesome!
How's the telnet server going?

>>55856805
I got two G4's, ones a dual CPU one with a Radeon 9800 the other's a 500MHz one with a Rage 128 too.
Leopard and OS 9 dualboot.

>>55856843
eMacs are awesome, I have 4 OSes on it in multiboot.

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>>55856764
fyi, qemu recently got support for running OS9

>>55856616
dat CDE mmmmm

>>55856894
how is this related?

>>55856894
QEMU could run OS 9 for years already with the modded OpenFirmware image, it just recently got "official support" for it.

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>>55856901
think that one's actually running VUE, CDE's direct ancestor

it looks nicer than standard CDE if you ask me

>>55856929
Beautiful

>>55856616
>>55856649
>>55856700
>>55856858
moar p0rn

>>55856929
oh yeah it does. i love that old look so much. so many memories!

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>>55856885
There's something about the aesthetics and the whole "reliable fleet shitbox" angle of it that really makes me like them even more than the regular iMacs. The display is also pretty nice, too.

What are you running on yours?

>>55856964
ok

>>55856976
On the eMac?
Tiger, Debian, MorphOS, OS 9

>>55856996
Nice, almost want to try a 10.1/9.2/BSD tri-boot but I've only got a 60 GB drive and my autism compels me to keep it stock.

>>55857086
Nice autism, I just upgrade and keep the old parts in a box, tagged.

>>55856302
I wouldn't worry about that happening in my lifetime, maybe my kids and grandkids though.

>>55856858
Nice to see one working breadbox and...you do have the stuff heat sinked, right?

I just changed the battery in an old Thinkpad today. Looked at some old diary entries and Simpsons smutfics I wrote when I was like 19-20. Wow, are those terrible and embarrassing to read.

>>55857150
But it will happen, some platforms and chips sooner than others.

>>55856302
>Also no, the original hardware will suffer, every piece will fail at one point and be harder to replace
As the other guy said, doesn't feel like it's very imminent. There's still tons of early semiconductor equipment out there in working shape.

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>>55855911
How much of the existence of these threads can be attributed to Steins;Gate, do you think?

>>55857202
See
>>55857182

>>55857236
Never denied that, or intended to, but the process seems quite slow as it is.

>>55857248
Even chips made with the same fabrication process can be very different, some failed a few days after use, some will last longer the most of the others.

>>55857255
It seems like those kinds of duds generally fail fast in my own experience.

Dunno, I've rarely had issues that were directly related to the ICs themselves, solid state devices are generally quite reliable, especially newer surface-mounted components.

>>55857216
0%

But Steins;Gate was a good game. And Steins;Gate Zero should be getting an english release in about a month.

>>55857350
>>55857216
>>>>/v/

>>55856696
ne2000 compatible network interfaces?

>>55857314
Like I said, Commodore just used shitty manufacturing processes and a lot of their ICs failed when they were new out of the box. My dad knew a dude who bought a C64 that died and he bought a new one, put the dead machine in the box, took it back to the store, and claimed it was DOA when he got it. However, my dad had his C64 for 10 years without any trouble, so it probably depended a bit on luck. Sometimes a good batch of chips went into your particular machine, other times not.

Also Bil Herd claimed that Commodore tended to use too much boron in their chip fabrication which led to bad passivation and a runaway electromigration effect that caused brand-new ICs to self-destruct. The early PLAs made in 1982-83 were the worst and would almost die if you sneezed on them. He said the early 7xxx series chips (including the Plus/4 chipset) were also very prone to this problem, which under a microscope resembled an oozing purple slime.

>>55857386
How would I approatch that idea? FPGA? I think the raspy itself can't do it?

>>55856616

How long do you think that render took?

>>55857438
I should add--he got his in 1984. No clue when the other guy bought a C64 but it might have been earlier. By 84 they'd largely fixed the early teething problems with them.

>>55857478
A few seconds, they were extremely fast machines

>>55857438
Weren't you the guy in the last thread talking about how the breadboxes had shit thermal design or something? I've got a bunch of them and most of them at least start up, but I don't really use them often enough to really consider myself qualified to speak to their reliability.

I'd believe that though, one of my few IC-related failures was a Plus/4 that died the day after I bought it. Think it was the TED if I remember right.

>>55857478
Probably not as long as you'd think, since it doesn't look textured or anything. That 750 would have been pretty bitchin'.

>>55857561
Not the case, I said the ICs are prone to overheating because they use 12v power and weren't always made with the best manufacturing processes. They should have been heat sinked from day one, but they weren't and I'm not even sure if heat sinks even existed in the 80s. I've never heard of them anyway.

>>55857599
Oh, that's right.

To be autistic, there were heat sinks of course but I definitely doubt they were offering them for low-end 8 bits like that.

I think I might take you up on that recommendation though, if I can find some good sinks.

>>55857634
Get the ones used on old GPU cooling kits for the RAM chips.

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Short board C64Cs are much better to have than the breadbin since they have HMOS chips with only 5v power. The only chips that get kinda warm are the VIC and SID, so you can heat sink those if you want but it's not as crucial as with the breadbin VIC and SID which get like a hot iron.

On the downside, short board C64Cs are far more common in Europe than the US.

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>>55856764
I'm trying my best

>>55857683
Kek

>>55857634
I doubt anything but mini and mainframes had heat sinks back then. I've never heard of a consumer-level computer having them before the 486 era. You could look at any 286/386 board and there's no heat sinks anywhere to found.

>>55857634
There's plenty of discussion on Lemon64 about heat sinks. Generally speaking, it's necessary on the VIC, SID, and PLA, optional on the CPU and CIAs.

>>55857691
I had a 8088 from '82 with a 8087 and the 8087 had a heatsink.

>>55857765
8087s are notorious for their high heat output because this is a very dense chip with a lot of stuff under the hood, probably too much for period manufacturing. Intel initially had very low yields and IBM didn't actually offer them as an option on the PC until late 1982 even though the socket for the chip had been there from day one. The high heat output is also why the 8087 had a ceramic shell instead of plastic.

I mean, 80-bit registers in 1981? That was really pushing it.

The VIC-II particularly gets hot, but it also depends on what you're doing with it. For example, Mayhem in Monsterland is going to make it work harder than an Infocom adventure, especially since something like 75% of the chip die is devoted to sprites.

>>55857829
I know, I was just proving him wrong.
>I've never heard of a consumer-level computer having them before the 486 era.

>>55856858
>>55856863
C128 would be better for this because you get 80 column text and 2Mhz speed.

>>55857885
>consumer-level computer
>8087
8087 was not a consumer level you pleb

>>55857599
>>55857881
Early VIC-IIs had ceramic shells for thermal purposes but this was later switched to plastic.

>>55857973
Yeah you're right. There was no real need for an 8087 short of heavy duty spreadsheets or engineering/scientific work.

>>55857986
exactly

>>55856858
>>55857438
The PLA is probably the most failure-prone chip in a breadbox followed by the VIC-II. The SID can fail as well, but it's generally asymptomatic until you boot up a game and there's no sound.

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I say, if you love it, put a heatsink on it.

It's as easy as that.

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This was from a Vogons thread. The guy cleaned a very cruddy breadbin with dead spiders in it, but remarkably the thing was completely functional and had no busted ICs in it. He then heat sinked the CPU, VIC, SID, and PLA.

>>55855876
Thats even better

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>>55858047
Didn't say it wasn't

>>55857675
C64Cs pretty rarely fail short of blown RAM from a bad PSU. Breadbins found in the wild have roughly a 50% failure rate.

>>55857675
It fucking hurts to see people ruining perfect machines, drilling holes and openings for custom switches and slots, fucking disgusting.

>>55858118
better than sitting on a shelf collecting dust

>>55858134
Just put them somewhere externally, no need to ruin the case.

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hay guyz check out my retro family computer

>>55858205
Nice, too bad you actually don't own one.

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>>55858242
you were saying?

>>55858330
Could have started with that and not some shitpost.

>>55858330
>>55858242
#REKT

>>55858205
>>55858330
That is still an overrated piece of hardware.

>>55858365
had to take it out of storage

>>55858389
no it's not

>>55858393
>out of storage
I keep my daughter locked up in the basement too, it's not like she wasn't born to experience the world, like the Famicom

>>55858330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dgnD93pwX0

>>55855911

Always wanted one. Almost sprung for an FM Towns Marty from one of those grey market importers in the back of GamePro back in '93-94 but spent my money on a Neo Geo instead.

>>55856616

Used to own an HP Visualize C360 w/512MB RAM back around 2003.

>>55858393
Says you.

Currently restoring a G4 MDD.
Fun fact: You have to remove one set of hard drive cages, and the entire optical drive frame if you want to replace the internal speaker.

>>55858547
yes, says me

>>55858551
I have an G4 MDD, right next to me, with an open side and I can tell you that I can unscrew the white speaker box without needing to remove anything else. You probably don't mean a MDD.

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>>55858330

>>55858576
I do mean a MDD.
Whoever owned this last unscrewed the speaker and cut the cable, so I have to replace both of them. The cable is routed through clips behind the optical drives and the lower hard drives, which I had to remove to get at the cable.

>>55856929
>>55856616
>>55856901

Does anyone know about a menu bar similar to CDE but independent from it?

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>>55858613

XFCE used to have it back inna day

>>55856858
How do you post? You can't access the captcha.

>>55858665
Probably the application is separate but related. I'll look onto it.

Than you.

>>55858695
>CAPTCHA
How new are you, don't you have a pass?

>>55858779
>giving your hard-earned shekels to Schlomo "Christopher" Poolowitz
I shiggidy dioggidy do.

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>>55858665
>The GIMP

>>55858695
BTW, what's the oldest browser that can display those?

>>55858786
Well, you seem to have no problem wasting your hard earned minutes of life shitposting here.
Might as well support the servers and save a few seconds not having a CAPTCHA.

>>55858786
Moot is dead, dude.

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>tfw browsing /g/ in lynx via a dumb terminal session on an Apple //c over a serial cable to an old iMac running OSX10.3
living the dream

>>55858800
I think Opera 10.10 might still be able to load them.

>>55858205

Can you provide three reasons why that abomination is preferable to a NES/SNES/N64 or GC ?

>>55858869
>>55856858
Oh. I was wondering how this works. I see you have a modern PC connected and use a null modem cable to send the text output.

>>55858890
I have this, but with real phones, been just throwing all kinds of old phones into a drawer for a decade.

>>55858895
You could use ethernet nowadays, like you used to dial-up modem and dial directly into a telnet server.

>>55858895
There was a video of a guy actually browsing the net on a Mac Plus. It was incredibly, unbelievably slow however he had Wikipedia loaded on it.

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>>55858890
Not gonna lie, I've tried sticking my hand into one of these.

>>55858979
How did it work out?

>>55859007
I got AIDS.

>>55859015
Touched an iPod, uh?

>>55859007
It was too deep, and the access door was locked.

>>55859057
Could you see inside, with a flashlight or something?

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>>55859072
I tried to peek inside but all I saw was a trash bag.

There might of been a phone or two at the bottom among the folds of the bag...

Also, they made the hole real small on purpose (compare the mp3/cellphone bin to the other recycling bins in pic related) because of people like me.

>>55859180
Fucking butthurt recycling faggots, I mean who does it hurt if you could give new life to the item?

>>55859249
because it means scrap/resale money to them

look at all the greedy fuck companies driving up prices of this stuff on ebay in the last 5 years,

>>55859273
What greedy fuckings and prices on ebay?

>>55859280
Average prices of these oldphones are around $40-100 a pop.

>>55859300
Oh you mean that.

>>55859280
most of the stuff in this thread has gone up 300-500% in the last 5 years thanks to them

>>55859307
Thanks to who!?

>>55859318
E L E C T R O N I C R E C Y C L E R S

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>>55856763
I really like that 90s "genesis does" aesthetic you got going there.

Here's mine

>>55859334
You mean the recyclers are the ones who get those old PC XT prices up 5x on eBay just to scrap them to raw materials?

>>55859351
No the recyclers themselves resell these items. Fuck melting shit down when you can make 5000% scrap value.

>>55859371
Then you mean resellers not recyclers, like the ones who buy cheap shit they see and sell for profit to collectors?

>>55858576
>>55858551
hey me too. got it at thrift for $10
wouldnt turn on
rewired an atx psu
sorta turned on but never chimed
reseated cpu and ram, fresh thermal paste
success!

>>55859389
Nice. Specs?

>>55856920
>>55856894
ok, so i want to install linux on my mdd g4
can i run os9 and/or osX in a VM?

>>55859430
No need, OS X up to Tiger has Classic built in, you can run OS 9 in a window or just run classic mac programs transparently.

But I still recommend dual booting it, fucking easier than on a PC box.

>>55859430
>VM
No virtualization, only emulators like PearPC and QEMU.
Stick to multiboot.

>>55859409
i got it because it was the dual 1.42. i always lliked g4s but never liked the g5s, so when i saw the most powerful g4 apple ever made sitting there for $10, i did not hesitate to grab it

had 2gb ram, radeon 9000 64mb (and i have a 9800 pro 128mb that will work), no hd but all hd mounting there. also had a sonnet usb2 card

>>55859467
I would prefer to have linux be the host OS

>>55859487
OK can I emulate a PPC on my PPC?

>>55859492
I'd trade all my G4's in for a G5...

>>55859516
>OK can I emulate a PPC on my PPC?
>No virtualization, only emulators like PearPC and QEMU.
Put on some glasses mofo

>>55859430
What do you need from Linux that OS X does not have? I mean you can just install X and a desktop manager if you don't like the Aqua environment

>>55858893
NES: Various games have more content or better sound than their overseas counterparts

SNES/N64/GC: All opinion but personally I prefer NES game library to those listed above.

>>55859607
That's /vr/ level autism here
So every single NES game for you is better, there's not a single SNES game you would maybe like to play instead a NES game

>>55859517
Id take one with the multi-core cpu in good condition, but the dual cpu one i had did not impress me

>>55859532
Can I emulate a G3 on my G4?

>>55859557
>What do you need from Linux that OS X does not have?
being open-source and able to easily run modern software. if dual-booting is the only reasonable way, fine.

>X and a desktop manager if you don't like the Aqua environment
well I would be more interested in running os9. I could do this with OS X via Classic; would this work if i was running X instead of aqua?

>>55859675
there's no dual core G4

>>55859675
>Can I emulate a G3 on my G4?
Holy cow, YES.

>>55859689
I know i was talking about the g5.

>>55859705
>>55859557
>>55859487
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacOnLinuxHowto

thats just what i was looking for. cant wait to give it a go

>>55857691
I've seen HS'ed 386en on the internet, but never anything pre-486 age in person either.

>>55857829
Interesting, my XT has an 8087 but it doesn't have anything on it.

I don't even know why it was even installed in the first place, the guy just used it for pfs:Write.

>>55860064
How hot does it get? I guess they used different fabrication processes too, there were a lot of 8086/7/8 clones and even licensed ones made by many companies.
I don't have a heatsink on mine either but I can't touch it if it's running, it's that hot.

>>55859675
>able to easily run modern software.
honestly, most of the shit Tiger can run is still decently modern, 2k8 and CS3 I haven't really found lacking for the kind of stuff I'd want to do on a shitbox as far as mainstay stuff goes, TenFourFox gives you a current browser, Tigerbrew still maintains a ton of current GNU packages iirc

unless you're interested more in development it just feels pointless to grab something like a PPC Mac just to do the same stuff your PC can do but slower, OS X is half the "experience" of it, plus I think the software base is way better even if they don't have the latest version numbers

>>55860249
>2k8
office 2k8, I mean

>>55860249
Is there a way to play/sync modern ipods on tiger?

>>55860309
interesting question, you might have me there, it feels like there would be some third-party utilities but most of the hobbyist developers usually have newer boxes on the side for stuff like that anyway

>>55858205
>>55858330
>>55858377
>>55858584
>Not seeing (You)
F U C K
U
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>>55860309
>>55860354
I think the "iPod driver" had still a working version for Leopard (Dunno about Tiger) and work with the last iTunes provided for PPC.

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>>55860416
That's nothing, check out what I found.

>>55860534
>720KB of pure raw destruction
wew lad, hope nobody is ever gonna compile that shit and host it
oh wait

>>55858377
Wrong board

>>55860740
?

>>55858869
>>55856858

That's really cool, moar?

>>55859338
>Jurassic Park
>Die Hard
>Speed
Wew dude, you have all the classics

>>55858665
damn, that looked like a pretty comptent CDE clone

>>55861297
I know right?

>>55861301
it's at least way better than what GNOME1 and KDE1 was

>>55861325
I know right?

>>55857216
>jacketless sleeves

>>55861573
lmao

>>55855787
whats
>retro /g/
do we pretend it's 2004 or something?

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Why don't we have retro threads anymore that are active 24/7 and there's always one when you search for it like it used to.

>>55862498
>no plus Mac 1 | Steve Jobs
>US $30,000.00
wtf, i don't get it, so whats for sale, the corpse of Steve Jobs?

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>>55862662
it's the first mac, steve jobs himself made it

>>55862754
I never get why people cringe or get mad at that picture, shit like that happens all the time, it's not like the first time I've heard something like that.

>>55858850
too soon wtf

>>55858850
>>55862878
Moot is moot, dude...

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Will we ever see retro technology design return?

>>55862940
Hopefully when Playstation dies.

>>55862940
Lol no, never.
Mainstream does not like the "retro" look.

>>55862954
The Playstation might be going the minimalist look yet, closest to the retro white box look.

>>55860534
kek nice shop

>>55862940
Define retro. One thing i noticed in design everywhere, it fluctuates between curves and edges. And edges are quite popular now.

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halp I accidentally too many powerbooks

>>55863023
Holy shit, that's awesome, what's the state of those babies?

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>>55862961
>Mainstream does not like the "retro" look.

But they liked it years ago. What happened?

>>55863011
Maybe that's just me but I think it ironically looks like the material design that is so popular with UI design now. Matte, no textures, solid colors, geometric forms.

>>55863071
You could define both designs with those words but it's nothing like material, look at those 8088s, C64s, Amigas, Macintoshes, Sun workstations in this thread, they don't remind me of material.

>>55863047
Two PowerBook 190s, one working, one dead due to corrosion from leaky battery. Have both a colour and a black and white screen.

Three PowerBook 1400cs, all working except for the CD drive.

G3 Wallstreet, working except no battery.

G4 12" working fine except shitty battery.

>>55863071
>But they liked it years ago. What happened?
Back then everything looked like that, TVs, radios... guess it just changed, look how things looked in the 50's then in the 80's and now, all different.

>>55863098
Well I mean the lack of textures and shiny surfaces like aluminium.

>>55863106
That's cool

>>55862940
Yes.

In twenty years you'll think the PS4 looks retro. I also think the minimalist aesthetic of the 2010s is coming to a close soon.

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>>55863189
>I also think the minimalist aesthetic of the 2010s is coming to a close soon.

What's next?

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>>55861573
christina's sleeves have jacket tho

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>>55863207
Hopefully something even somewhat close to the same aesthetic of technology in the 80s. I hope boxy cars make a comeback too, fuck aerodynamic shit.

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>>55863207
Glass and Stainless Steel -or- White/Black steel with high end wood grain. Aluminum design is oversaturated as fuck and on its way out.

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>>55863240
Or maybe just full glass.

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>>55863266
Pls no. I want to technology to look like technology. I am not a designer but it seems to me like they are trying to make technology blend in with modern furniture and household appliances.

For me personally it just feels awkward to see a terminal run on a shiny, sleek, glossy display Macbook.

>>55863327
Yeah, not something I want. Just taking a best guess at where tech aesthetics are headed next.
So see more planned obsolescence, fragility but drop dead gorgeous looks for the masses.

*Luddite thread

>>55863232
>>55863240
Tempered glass on everything is going to be a pretty big trend, I think. Apple has really pushed itself into a corner in regards to being able to smoothly transition into other designs, so I'm waiting for them to either make a huge change to their aesthetics, or for a few big brands to buck the sleek/thin/minimalist trend of brushed aluminum and do something new.

>>55863266
Never going to happen, not without throwing out the crash regulations and emissions regulations that currently have car design under a chokehold.

>>55863356
Could a company be profitable with products made to last? To me it looks like technology is progressing slower. For example you can still use a computer from 10 years ago, 2006 while a computer from 1996 would be barely usable in 2006.

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>>55863207
full retard

>>55863359
Nobody is saying that today's technology is bad, what has it to do with luddite?

>>55863406
It is, it's slowing down, we are expanding on other horizons, like ARM and multi core processors, smartphones, tablets, supercomputers on PCI-E cards.

>>55863410
At least they're trying something new, even if it's a pile of crap.

>>55863496
Even ARM is slowing down in development. Current chips are barely faster than the Snapdragon 800/Apple A7 for general purpose processing.
The only thing that has advanced is maybe VP9/H.265 hardware decode and gigantic SHA1 fixed function units to cheat Geekbench 3 benchmarks.

>>55863406
I was thinking about this the other day - I reckon it'd be quite profitable if you could manufacture legacy-compatible computers that use modern hardware and have the capability of using modern software, too.

There's heaps of businesses out there that still use DOS to XP era computers for stuff like running cashiers or interfacing with specialist equipment.

I know a car workshop that uses a dyno with hardware and software from 1995, and it'd cost them around 7-8 grand to upgrade to a system that runs Windows XP. They're worried that the shitty old parallel port inkjet printer is going to die one day and force them to upgrade if they can't find another.

Being able to replace shit like that with modern day, low powered, compact, and backwards-compatible hardware would be a great selling point.

On the other hand, the idea almost took off with Netbooks and the Atom-based all-in-one iMac-wannabes that they spawned, but that market died quickly once tablets and smartphones became commonplace.

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I recently got this (calculator not included)
Those floppy 'cases' a both full by the way (a total of 140 floppies)

>>55863698
forgot to mention i also got a 1541 disk drive with it.

>>55863710
Well, it would suck to have 140 floppies without a drive, uh

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>>55863410
electronics will become like jewelry
also china loves gold shit

>>55863755
Indeed, only problem is that I can't get any floppy to read properly.

>>55863763

Gold is disgusting.

>>55864045
Floppies do age badly, they might all be rotten, specially if they where stored wrong.

>>55864091

On men, yes. That is why Allah our lord forbade men from wearing gold. Looks nice on women only.

>>55858330

Are you using OS X? I like to think I can spot it instantly by the font.

>>55864136
Yeah, I got it from my dads colleague. She had it in the attic for around 30 years. The newest disk was labeled 'august '85' so yeah

>>55857174
Dump them on /b/ for ultimate OC

>>55858893
Not original anon, but i'll go with
1) Chinese knockoff carts are pretty much everywhere and dirt-cheap
2) Cracking a FDS disk is fucking easy, if you own a QuickDisk drive and some plastic to resize the disks
3) Battletoads.

>>55863209
Doesn't it get uncomfortable wearing a jacket wrong all the time?

>>55864136
You're thinking of 1.44MB disks. 5.25" media is much more reliable. There's dozens of things that could cause your drive to not read a disk.

>>55858893
It's red

>>55860064
>I don't even know why it was even installed in the first place, the guy just used it for pfs:Write

He could have gotten the computer used and someone else installed the 8087.

Also you could ask on Lemon64 or VCFED for help about your 1541 problem.

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Hey guys, still working on finding peripherals appropriate for my Pentium I build - I've tracked down a nice serial Microsoft Mouse and some vintage-looking stereo speakers, but there's very little in the way of keyboards that I can find for affordable prices.

Should I splurge out on some old IBM Model M, or should I try and wire up a new cable for an HP C1405A that I found on eBay? It's a 5-pin DIN model (apparently) but there's no cable for it.

>>55864785
>but there's very little in the way of keyboards that I can find for affordable prices
What. You can find usually 4-5 PS/2 keyboards at any thrift store for $2.

>>55864686
>>55864656
Check the floppies and make sure the media is in good condition and there's no worn off magnetic coating, dust, or obvious physical damage.

>>55860184
Generally speaking, if a chip gets hot enough that you can't touch it without getting burned, it needs a heat sink.

Someone did a decap of the POKEY/ANTIC so it could be possible to reproduce them, with the small problem that nobody still uses NMOS/HMOS fabrication.

>>55864045
Remember that you MUST use them on a commodore, because of disk formatting

>>55865770
Vat. I assumed he was reading them on the 1541 but it wouldn't work for whatever reason.

>>55856858
C64s just aren't good for anything but games. Trying to run applications on them is painfully slow and limiting. The Apple II beats them hands-down in that category.

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-52813.html

this guys apple keyboard chip obviously failed from electromigration

>>55856302
>Also no, the original hardware will suffer, every piece will fail at one point
So is no different than changing a flat tire on a car, right?

>>55866828
but you can't get old chips anymore they weren't made in decades

>>55866991
Do you think ICs in 1982 were made out of rainbows and fairy dust? There's no magic to them at all. You could easily recreate all of their functions with an Arduino or PIC or something like that.

>>55857438
Recreating the digital parts of a VIC-II or SID would be simple, the problem lies in the analog components which rely on certain properties of NMOS.

>>55867081
I asked my dad about this and he's insistent the SID filters could be recreated with digital components, but IDK. He knows more about electronics than me however, so what do I know.

>>55867030
yeh but you'll trigger the muh authenticity fags

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>>55856016
Sticky xbox 360 memory chip heatsinks fit well (9mm height).

>>55867146
Would you have a working vintage computer or a dead one?

so the question has never been satisfactorily answered whether all chips are affected by electromigration damage or just ones exposes to high operating temperatures

>>55867347
If anonymous necjkbeard in /g/ syas it doesn, then it does

>>55864656
>'august '85
>attic
Storing floppies in a humid, temperature changing environment is a recipe for disaster, a few bad sectors and boom.

>>55865401
yeah, lemon64 is full of autists

>>55865770
>MUST
KryoFlux would work.

>>55867511
Why would you store something like that in an attic anyway? It gets to like 110F up there in summertime.

>>55864961
I know, I just have a bunch of 8087s, so I'm not really worried

>>55867276
then just get your vintage computer and put in inside a glass box and use a FPGA computer for actual use

I had a lot of floppies die when I was a teenager and my computer setup was in a room that got quite hot in summer, but that was more likely because they were garbage Chinese 1.44MB disks.

>>55867662
They weren't stored in an attic though.

>>55866828
>>55866991
>>55867030
>>55867081
>>55867126
>>55867146
>>55867276
>try finding a company that does NMOS fabrication
>try doing SID filters in digital, if the C64 on a chip can't even do it
if you're going to use a FPGA for those chips then just get a TUrbo Chameleon 64 and connect a C64 keyboard to it and you're done

>rainbows and fairy dust
we have rainbows and fairy dust nowadays, but we don't have the crap cheap shit things anymore

>>55867579
Why do you ask me, ask his dad's colleague >>55864193

>>55855911
But I've had two for 18 years? Yet, Sharp X68000 gets all the use (recently have not played anything else except Gradius and Akumajo Dracula).

>>55867081
The analog parts of the VIC-II are used entirely to generate the NTSC signal though, which is obsolete and deprecated now. There's no need to include those on a modern reproduction. That just leaves the digital part of the chip which would be simple to recreate.

>>55867347
>>55867487
>high operating temperatures
new chips will easily outlast you but those old ones every temperature is "high"

>>55867743
Commodore was somewhat unusual in using 12v power. Most ICs from the 80s period are 5v and don't get that hot. Of course modern ones with 3.3v or less power are even better.

>>55867765
yeah but even every chip in an Apple ][ will be have to changed in after a certain amount of time if you keep using one over and over

>>55867765
Yes well, Commodore were using outdated 70s chip fabrication. You'll notice that a lot of 70s ICs had high power requirements, for example 4116 DRAMs used triple voltage lines (+5, -5, and -12). The Intel 8080 was also triple voltage.

Most 80s ICs not made by Commodore were 5v and then 3.3v arrived during the 90s.

Most of the nineties, i used HP9000 735(125) as my daily driver, which i got for pennies when my employer moved to different environment (and this change was mostly the reason why i left that place).

But why use commercial unices after the change millenia, when linny and bsd's have acceptable hardware support and software (amount) that those unices can only dream of? Sure, i'd like to be on something else than x86 cpu's, but.

>>55867800
Based on my experience, IC failures in an Apple II other than RAM are pretty rare. Even then, they do not have proprietary custom ASICs like a C64.

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>>55863698
>>55863710
>>55864045
>>55864193
DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT use the original power brick, get a pic related instead, there are cheaper alternatives to pic related if you connect the C64 power connector yourself.
These power brick are known to fail easily and run badly and they WILL kill your C64 if they die, which is a even more typical than the chips failing.

Also just get a bunch of cheap low profile heatsinks, it won't hurt you, like >>55858045

>>55867838
>Based on my experience, IC failures in an Apple II other than RAM are pretty rare
I just bloody cited one here >>55866680! Besides, the keyboard chip in the II+ hasn't been manufactured in 30+ years.
>Even then, they do not have proprietary custom ASICs like a C64.
The IIe/IIc/IIgs have them.

>>55867865
The C64 power brick is shit, but on the good side it usually just toasts the RAM and not the main ICs in the computer.

>>55867894
Yeah, it will overvoltage on the 5V lane usually, but you do not know what damage it could do to the system even if it looks working fine.

>>55867910
Actually it has more to do with DRAM being denser than the main ICs and less able to tolerate overvoltage.

>>55867885
Again though, how hard could it be to use a PIC to recreate the keyboard decoder in the II+. I'm not enough of an expert on PICs to do it myself, but should be easy for someone with the knowledge.

Regarding the analog components of an SID, you probably can't recreate those with an FPGA directly, but an off-chip analog circuit might work.

Apple IIs are pretty bulletproof and as I said, component failures other than RAM are pretty rare. Commodore PETs though always seem to have problems. You never find them without one or more things wrong with them.

>>55867926
I know, but I'm saying the 5V lane is usually more prone to failure.

>>55867988
PETs use the same general type of ICs as the Apple II though. Why are they less reliable?

>>55868126
Commodore didn't have as good build quality. You should compare the price of an Apple II versus a PET. Also Commodore of course used their own in-house ICs while Apple bought them from various manufacturers most of whom were probably better quality.

I mean, TRS-80s had rather crap build quality too.

>>55868126
>>55868165
Nobody made them with the idea to last that long that neckbeards on /g/ could jerk off to them 30 years latter.

>>55868294
An Apple II in 1980 cost about $2200 with two disk drives and a monitor. Adjusted for inflation that's around $5000 in today's dollars. A PET was about $600 which is probably about $1600-$2000 in today's dollars. So they were cheaper and as Bil Herd said, "If your Commodore machine lasted longer than 3 years, I did my job wrong. They wanted to sell you a new computer."

>>55868358
Exactly what I was saying.
>Nobody made them with the idea to last that long

>>55855911
THAT VERTICAL CD DRIVE IS RAD

THREAD MUSAK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSKJqvoQ6U

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Samsung Magic Station 3, circa 1995

>>55868358
That was when Jack Tramiel was leading thought and they used shittier and cheaper fabrication, thank God they didn't do that shit with the Amiga

>>55868383
Well it speaks for itself. Like I said, it's rare to have an Apple II fail other than RAM, but PETs have loads of problems. You can find many threads on VCFED about PET restoration.

Of course in a lot of cases the things were stored in a barn and got used for a mouse nest or other extreme conditions, so...

>>55868421
Amiga was after he left. I will say again, Amigas are very reliable compared to 8-bit Commodores and I've almost never heard of chip failures.

>>55865606
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/154479-new-gtia-chips/

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NMOS chips do get hot to begin with because they're less efficient and more prone to voltage leaks than CMOS. Note what he says that an NMOS chip wouldn't survive voltage levels above 5v very long without a heat sink.

Which is just what happens with Commodore 64 chips.

>>55868482
>Amiga was after he left.
That was my point.

>>55856763
That is an incredibly fucking 90s setup.
Is it recent or actually from then?

>>55869157
>4032x3024
>obviously not scanned picture
Didn't know they had that great sensors back in the 90's

>>55856763
Does Genesis really do what nintendon't?

>>55869210
There were professional grade cameras in the 90s.

>>55869364
Even the very very high end in the late 90's could do like 1600x1200 (but VGA resolution was way more common for consumer class) and they costed a few thousand dollars.
Their quality was nowhere as good as that picture was, even if it would be the same resolution.

>>55862754
its clearly an Apple II and not a Mac

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>>55855787
what OSes except Windows were in use in the 90's? never really used anything else
I'm really curious how advanced software really was back then and what could it do

>>55869594
>falling for bait this hard

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>>55863232
>fuck aerodynamic shit.

the 1984 Nissan 300ZX would like to have a word with you...

>>55869731
What the actual fuck

>>55869625
Mac OS
Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX, AIX, Tru64, and all kinds of other SysVs on exotic platforms
Linux
BeOS
AmigaOS and various derivatives
Many more

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>>55870061
I know about the names but I want to hear stories and details
I have read wikipedia articles about a few

>>55855787
Someone make a new thread, I'm too lazy.

>>55870530
here you go >>55870820

>>55870827
bueno

>>55865401
>vga
>on the way out
>5 years