AMD Pricepoint

>>55815819
Because AMD has not released anything "new" in 4 years.

>>55815921
Well, that's pretty stupid. What have their engineers been doing for all of that time?

>>55815950
Not using a loo, that's for sure.

>>55815950
continually making extremely small tweaks to their disastrous bulldozer architecture

if the die's weren't so fuckhuge because awful architecture they could sell them for way lower, but at under $99 they're basically selling for less than what they spent on that amount of silicon wafer

https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html
>only AMD offerings in first 20 aside from Xeons
Sure thing chap.

>>55816119
are you implying that userbenchmark.com is biased?

>>55815950
Getting fired

>>55815950
learning how to use the loo

>>55815819
The i5 6600K is easily one of the worst performance per dollar chips, because you can slice your budget around to get an i7 6700 for the same price

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6hswwP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6hswwP/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($297.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($63.98 @ Newegg)


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9DsRB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9DsRB/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)

>>55816245
You can overclock an i5 6600K and you can't overclock a i7 6700, noob.

>>55816245
>B150

>>55816261
8 threads at 4ghz turbo > 4 threads at 4.5ghz

>>55816286
What does H/Z 170 offer that the average person actually needs?

That board has solid power delivery and USB 3.1

>>55816261
>you can't overclock a i7 6700, noob
http://overclocking.guide/updated-msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide-new-bios/

Retard.

>>55816288
name 3 games that use more than 4 threads. buying a i7 6700 is like buying a hummer to take the kids to school.

>>55816298
Too much of a pain in the ass to OC the locked chips

and nothing is stopping intel from releasing microcode updates like they did with the G3258 overclocking on non Z chipset boards

>>55816295
z170 is the only skylake chipset that can overclock. By buying a b150, you are locking out any upgrade potential for your rig if you ever decide to replace your CPU with a k

>>55816245
Except I got my 6600k with z170 Mobo for $270 at the beginning of the year. 6700 even on sale is nowhere near there. And the 6600k overclocks and I don't render or anything.

>>55816298
yeah, have fun spending 20 hours to save $30.

>>55816298
Microcode is coming.

>>55816304
>MUH GAYMES
Fuck off >>>/v/

>>55816304
i like to game in one screen and have a youtube playlist in another

>>55816304
It's the same exact price you might as well get the 8 threads, an extra .5ghz on average per core is basically nothing

>>55816321
When would you ever need to replace an i7 running at 4ghz turbo? Kaby Lake is only going to be another 5% at best. The only major upgrade would be to X99

>>55816339
Then you found a deal or live near a microcenter and are clearly not the average person who has to pay full retail pricing

>>55816352
lol, what are you going to do with those 4 extra threads? Keep 42 tabs of furry porn open?

>>55816360
>.5ghz

No it isn't. It's a huge difference.
>its .7ghz btw

>>55816304
>name 3 games
so done. done with this board.

>>55816379
So sorry, .7ghz, while the i7 is 50% faster using 8 threads due to hyperthreading at 4gz, I don't think .7ghz is going to catch up there

>>55816381
there is literally nothing wrong with adults playing video games. keep overcompensating for living with your parents well into your late twenties.

>i can tell it bothers you.

>>55816381
you probably should be done if these kinds of discussions on a chinese cartoon imageboard trigger you so much

>>55816381
Your fault for posting on a retard thread

>go to <generic website>
>select <sponsored item>
>see I told you

>>55816245
They are both horrible value compared to a Xeon E3.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wfrjt6

>>55816492
>being stuck at 2133 mhz DDR4
>no overclock
>shit frequency
LOL

>>55816381
well I understand where you're coming from. in terms of raw performance with multi-threaded workloads AND multi-tasking, 4ghz+ht > 4.5ghz no ht, and that's a no-brainer.

>>55816492
>Server Processor

>>55816381
>>55816694

samefag

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>>55816726
sure showed me

>>55816774
using firebug to modify this webpage doesn't change anything, samefag.

>>55816261

Running a non k 4790 for some time now and I'm yet to feel the cpu is lacking performance. Why would I need something I can overclock?

>>55816555
with such shit timings too i bet
tehre's a fool born every minute.

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>>55816705
A "Server Processor" can do everything that a "Gaming Processor" can do.

>>55816810
im just echoing actual facts from the perspective of someone who actually uses processor intensive applications besides video games. Grow up.

>>55816871
the human eye can only see 30 fps anyway right?

>>55816889
Are you joking or just an enormous spastic?

>>55816350
you have the option to not update

>>55816871
False, gaming processors come with a flaming skull sticker.

>>55816881
>i lived with my parents too long and I'm really insecure about it. Consequently, I try really hard to convince others that I'm a mature adult and i ridicule anyone who reminds me of the fact that I failed to move out of my mom's house in a timely manner.

>>55816913
Well, i'm glad to hear you eventually got your life on track. Thanks for explaining why you were behavng this way towards me if nothing else.

>>55816317
u can only nonk bclk overclock on skylake z170 boards.

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>>55816245
>>55816288
>>55816871
"Because gaming favors fewer faster cores compared to many slower ones'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ59vHSFfZA

>>55816367
Compile

>>55816230
this

>>55817100
what kind of compiling requires a modern enthusiast grade desktop processor is all i'm wondering. generally speaking, it's pretty light work that can be done just fine on a tablet with an i5-xxxxU

>>55817141
Linux, Firefox, Chromium, Mesa, GCC.

>>55817100
compiling what?

>>55817187
Many things

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>>55815819
what ever happened to your white pride jewcuck?

>>55816705
They're practically the same chips except with no IGPU and extra virtualization features you dumb gaymer kid, those low-end ones aren't even made for server use, they're for single-socket workstations.

>>55817201
such as?

>>55817206
1. how do you know he's white
2. incompetent whites at AMD can't make a high performance CPU
3. fuck off back to /pol/

>>55817206
Homosexuality is implicit white identity

>>55817206
>AMD
>white pride
The company is literally headed by a poo in loo.

>>55817230
Operating systems, browsers, music players, window managers, desktop enviroments, many things

>>55817227
you misspelled gamer.

>>55817272
You misspelled gaymer

>>55817141
what kind of shallow 3D simulation requires a modern """""enthusiast""""" grade desktop processor is all i'm wondering. generally speaking, it's pretty light work that can be done just fine on a tablet with an i5-xxxxU

>>55817270
>compiling Operating systems

Wow. You must be like, a real hardcore programmer or something. For a minute there, I thought you were only defending your purchase of a product that you don't really need, but bought solely to compensate for having a small penis.

>>55817289
basically any game that came out after 2011

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>>55817257
you're thinking about Radeon buddy.

I see jewgle has trained you well.

>>55817302
Why are you so agitated I just said things that people might compile chill out retard

>>55817302
lol, rekt

>>55817316
I'm not even rustled. I just find your claim that 8 threads is better than 4 threads amusing.

>>55817328
Lel wut

>>55816321
Replacing a chip on a consumer motherboard is never a good idea. If you want to overclock, get a good overclocking board and chip to begin with.

>>55817328
ya but with hyperbreading u can 2 whole laofs at once.

>>55817341
He's right nigger. My 8350 is piece of shit. It has more cores but they are individually weaker than Intel's 4-core CPU's.
The i7 won't give you much of an advantage either unless you do CPU heavy tasks like graphics design, video/audio rendering etc.

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DX12 will fix the no threads meme.

>>55817404
apples and oranges lad, AMD manages to implement SMT scheduling so poorly that turning off one 'core' on each module offers better performance. Intel gains at LEAST 10% overall performance in multi-threaded workloads from HT.

>>55817404
I wasn't even arguing the thread thing I was arguing what someone might do with it I didn't even read the thing

>>55817348
you could buy a z170 and a Core i3-6100 now to save money. Then you could upgrade to an i5 6600K later.

>>55817474
>why pay $300 when i can pay $200 now and 300 later!

>>55817404

So if an 8350 is weaker than an i5, a same series i7 is also weaker than said i5? I'm not sure I'm following your train of thought

>>55817496
The i3 only costs $118. you could use that for a year or two, and then sell it for used for ~ $80. Then, you could buy a i5 6600K for less money because by then it will be older and it will cost less. You'll be able to overclock it, extending the life of your motherboard and rig.

It's about getting the most bang for the buck.

>>55817512
>So if an 8350 is weaker than an i5, a same series i7 is also weaker than said i5?
Where did it say that?
But no.
Most games only utilize 4 cores efficiently so an i7 will perform similar to an i5 given the individual cores are similar in delivering performance.

>>55817573
>games
HERE WE GO AGAIN
>>>/v/

>>55817588
games are played on hardware. the individual games are discussed on /v/. The hardware they are played on is discussed on /g/

stop being insecure about living with your parents

>>55817565
That's actually really smart.

>>55817616
>stop being insecure about living with your parents
you seem to be the one being insecure, this isn't about games it's about hardware and the fact that raw throughput is higher with hyperthreading. Not much higher in most cases because it's still 4 physical cores, but better scheduling usually offers more performance than taking 4c+4t and bumping the clocks up by 10%

>>55817573

But what if I do more than games?
I have a lot of other shit going on while gaming, and my 4790 is showing better performance across the board, compared to the same workloads on my cousin's 4670k

>>55817650
you're implying that playing games isn't a legitimate use for hardware. gamers have different hardware needs than you do and they have just as much right to be here as you do. Grow up.

>>55817653
>>>/v/

>>55817653
Are you people fucking illiterates or what?
>>55817404

>>55817650
see >>55817025
"Because gaming favors fewer faster cores compared to many slower ones'

>>55817678
well as long as you only have a game open and nothing else i dont see why settling for a worse price:performance ratio is a problem! Enjoy your 6600k, at the end of the day it's still fast
>>55817653

>>55817678
Computers aren't toys fuck off

>>55817682
We are not discussing video games. We are discussing the technology they are played on.

>>55817713
To discuss consoles go to v

>>55817712
You do realize that most video games are played by adults, right?

>>55817728
No they aren't

>>55817725
no. here will do just fine. It's an appropriate topic for this board.

>>55817712
Get a load of this guy.

>>55817744
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/112380/Study_Over_50_Of_US_Adults_Play_Games_Platform_Choices_Split_By_Age.php

>>55817745
No it isn't fuck off
>>>/v/

AMD is total shit. CPUs, GPUs, anything by AMD is awful.

>>55817744
http://www.theesa.com/article/nearly-half-americans-older-50-play-video-games/

>>55817766
They aren't adults

>>55817784
>CPU's
agreed

>GPU's
Back to /v/ nigger

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God I hate man children and their proprietary video game benchmarks so much.
Compare the CPUs actually useful programs like GCC, PostgresSQL or R.

>>55817773
no. I'm staying right here. you can't make me leave.

you leave.

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>>55817314
Does this bitch look white to you?

>>55817805
No because I actually discuss board related topics

>>55817802
>useful programs like GCC, PostgresSQL or R

AKA shit nobody uses except autists.

>>55817682
>>55817725
>>55817773
>>55817795

This is very childish behavior. You're like a child throwing a temper tantrum, stomping his feet in the toy section of Walmart.

>I DON'T WANT VIDEO GAMEMERS TO BE ON /G/!!!! THEY REMIND ME THAT I'M A MANCHILD!!!

>>55817833
Gaming hardware is a board related topic.

>>55817795
Yes we are

>>55817865
All you do is call people names, but refuse to give reasons why games belong on g you fucking baby

>>55817902
I never said that games belong on /g/.

>>55817840
wut? are you retarded or something?

>>55817902
games are software. the computers they are played on are hardware.

the hardware used to run video game software is a form of technology that is an appropriate topic of discussion for this board.

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wow this thread is a real shit show

>>55817947
Anything made by humans are technology there are rules to this board faggot

>>55817986
have you ever even seen a vagina that wasn't in the form of pixels?

>>55818008
Yes ur moms

>>55817986
/g/ - Technology

1. Images depicting the technology of past, present, and future are all welcome here.
2. Tech support threads should be posted on /wsr/.
3. You may use

 tags to highlight syntax and preserve whitespace. To use them, just wrap your code snippets 
like this
.


Yep. Just as I thought. Nothing in the rules prohibiting a discussion about which computers are best for running video game software.

>>55817820
whiter than a jew

>>55817798
still salty that your parents gave you a job application for your birthday?

>>55817986
Where do the rules say "DO NOT MENTION VIDEOGAMES?"
Software is discussed, hardware is discussed, I don't see why certain hardware commonly used to run certain software isn't allowed.

>>55817312
that's not even true, my old box handles even garbage like fo4 just fine with its shitbin-quality nehalem xeon

>>55816317
>too much pain to choose which motherboard to buy

Tech illiterate arguments aside, this is just dumb.

Since this thread is relevant, i need some help.

I built my roommates computer like 6 years ago with an amd 4700 or something, he was on budget.

His PC has been tanking lately and i dont think his 670 is his biggest problem.
His birthday is Sept 3rd and id like to actually do something nice and get him a new cpu.
However when i search it seems the 8350 keeps popping up, which i used to own before going to intel.
Is there a better amd cpu for gaming?
Id like to get him a good cpu and cooler.
If i have to resort to intel mobo and cpu without cooler, so be it.
Please tell me theres something better than the 8350 by now.

>>55822232
Don't you have to flash your bios back a few months at this point for most newer boards?

AMD IS BANKRUPT AND FINISHED

>>55822145
But what's the gpu fartlord, i was talking about tablets with xxxxU processors which coincidentally don't even have dedicated graphics

>>55824090
>is there a better amd cpu for gaming?
860k?

>>55817798
AMD's GPUs are really awful too. The whole company is just one big fuckup.

>>55824090
there isn't
>>55825116
and no

>>55824090
The newer Athlon 845 might be up your alley. It's slightly better than both the FX-4350 and the 860k and it's a dirt cheap quad core

>>55825397
idk my man the 8350 with a fat ass overclock and one 'core' disabled on each module is about as good as you're going to get as far as gaming performance out of AMD is concerned.

Could always go for an i3-6100 build if the budget is that bad.

>>55825441
ya that's what I meant.

>>55825441
what's the point of disabling half the cores though?? seems dumb

>>55825555
AMD's implementation of SMT is utter garbage, you know how hyperthreading reduces performance in some games? Well imagine that but even worse, imagine stutter and lag simply because the one FPU that 2 threads are waiting on is too busy right now, well disabling half the cores/threads whatever you want to call them prevents this, that instruction can just fuck off to another thread that has its own FPU and bother it for cycles instead and it will essentially be an i5.

remember that every module only gets a single FPU and l2 cache to share, it just runs so much better if you assign one thread to each.

Obviously this changes in true multi-threaded workloads but games don't use more than 4 cores anyway... and those that do still primarily use one over all others and even the chance that one thread might have to wait for the module to have resources available for it holds up every other thread, after all you can't make a draw call on thread A before thread B has even done physics or decided what the AI is going to do.

>>55825727
wow these thoughts did not translate from brain to text very well, im quite tired, but whatever this is good enough. it gets the point across.

>>55825727
>>55825780
no worries. I kind of get it lol

>>55815819
The ones above the FX-8350 are all either very expensive or not very good.

FX-8530 confirmed for best CPU on the market.

>>55816119
this
AMD has nothing on $40 used xeons

>>55816288
>muh coars

>>55815819
The problem with this ranking is that they don't take into account the price of the mobo and cooler.

>>55815950
dicking around until the shitwrecker keller decided to put their asses in line

i wonder why intel can't find an engineer as good as keller? they have the money for it

>>55825727
CMT != Bad SMT implementation, you uneducated fuck