microsoft wants to destroy steam

>>55765427
/v/ ->

Whoever downgraded to windows 10 deserves it.

So, Steam is shit.

if you actually fell for the windows 10 meme you deserve everything you get

>>55765427
Good. 2021 Year of the Linux Desktop™

>>55766309
*2023

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>Tfw passthrough on Debian
Best of both worlds. None of this will affect me yet it still angers me.

>>55766341
>Slowly, over the next five years, they will force-patch Windows 10 to make Steam progressively worse and more broken. They’ll never completely break it, but will continue to break it until, in five years, people are so fed up that Steam is buggy that the Windows Store seems like an ideal alternative.

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Guess a bunch of people are going to upgrade to Windows 7

steam is complete rubbish and need to upgrade their fucking servers so that browsing the fucking store/community doesn't take 15seconds for a fucking page to load.

If MS can actually make steam client worse than it is then, well, I'll be pretty impressed.

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>>55765427
>2016
>Using Steam

>make Steam progressively worse and broken

What's worse, I hear valve is in on it as well

>>55765427
what a load of bullshit

if M$ ever decides to compete directly with Steam on PC they'll just do what they did back in the 360 days

offer devs exclusivity deals

Name one game on steam that is even worth playing. This doesn't seem too bad, getting rid of the disgustingly degenerate and underage steam community. Once in a while I look for games on steam, realize it's all indie crap and then go back to origin or battle net

>Steam
Thank god
Steam was only useful for the community and Discord eliminates any need for that.
I want physical copies free of shitty DRM back

Guess I'll have to play cs and tf2 on linux

>thinking that win32 applications will ever become deprecated

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1) your post's title should read "tim sweeny THINKS microsoft might want to destroy steam"

2) why are neo-nerds so defensive of steam? I remember when steam came out and everyone despised it as evil DRM and complained at how shit it was. now nerds worship it and are addicted little valve-drone consumers.

>>55766481
That's the most delusional thing I heard from somebody from the industry.

1) They marketed W10 to gamers by showing them Steam and Steam-related products. That's not something you do when you see it as your competitor and you are going to destroy them in the next 5 years.

2) The only company that is making Steam more broken now is Valve. They make billions a year and development of their platform took steps sideways or backwards, but not once forwards.They aren't investing money to make proper support for their product, but they sure invested plenty of money to do damage control when their incompetence caused major personal information leak.

>>55766520
>>55766566
>>55766568
>>55766579
>>55766660
>>55766667
>>55766681
>>55766710
You apparently didn't read the article. Microsoft is pushing their new Universal Windows Platform that requires users to modify the settings to allow installation of programs from sources other than the Windows store and as time goes on will eventually deprecate Win32. They're trying to push desktops to a more locked down smartphone like environment and this goes much farther than just games.

>>55766694
>people are this stupid

GABE WAS RIGHT,
HAIL GABE
OS WARS NOW

>>55766966
I'm completely fine with that.
Although I would love an actual source or reputable further reading in regards to MS ever deprecating WIn32 in the next 50 years.

God bless Microsoft. I'm still using 7, but if Steam falls out of favour that's only good.

>>55766966
that's basically what apple does with their platforms but i never see anyone chimping out over that. it seems to only be a problem when microsoft does things

also
>2016
>using wangblows
lmao

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>>55766966
t. 1984: The OS

but memeing aside this actually sounds fucking horrifying.

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>>55765427

Steam will crush Microsoft

>>55767026
>in regards to MS ever deprecating WIn32 in the next 50 years.
Simple
>Microsoft releases new features for UWP and not Win32
>developers want to use those features so they develop UWP programs instead of Win32 programs
>development slowly transitions to UWP
>eventually a new version of Windows disables execution of Win32 programs by default for security reasons and allows users to enable it if they dig through the settings, just like 3rd party UWP programs
They don't actually have to completely remove it to kill it.

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>>55765427
>>55765471
>>55766255
>>55766501
>>55767077

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>>55766966
>>55767026
>They're trying to push desktops to a more locked down smartphone like environment
>I'm completely fine with that.

>>55767077
>Lose Steam DRM in place of Microsoft's bigger, botnet as fuck DRM
How would this be good in any way?

>>55766413
GPU passthrough on Debian? I was planning on doing this with Arch because it had good documentation, but if Debian can do it and there's proper documentation on it then fuck Arch.

>>55767154
you mean valve will crush microsoft or steam will crush windows?
Unless they develop a patch for CS:GO problem with detecting nvidias cards memory (setting.mem_level -1 bug) in the next month im pretty sure steamOS and steam on linux is going to die, leaving few Linux native games on GoG aside from the usual ID software/Unreal games or open source engines.
I really wish death to steam on linux, unless the linux ported steam games will be available from the developers or shops, but thats not gonna happen

>>55767271
Because I get all of the positive and none if the negative on W7. Hell there may even be a small W10 backlash.

>>55767307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-AN8E8ADL0
>Debian stable
>Step by step guide
>Virt-manager front end
>Works for both AMD and Nvidia if you hide kvm state
There is no reason not to do it, anymore.

>>55767154
It hardly even runs their own games. Other games have god-awful performance and graphics compared to anything running on DirectX.
How many people work on that anyway? 3 people that don't have anything else to do, like they do with their customer support?

>>55767361
>I get all of the positive and none if the negative on W7
And when Microsoft inevitably drops support for W7? Then you get shit on twice as hard.

>>55766341
*9023

>>55767221
That's called "progress".

I don't see you bitching over the fact that you can't run 16-bit executables on windows anymore either. Or DOS ones for that matter.

>>55766952
>"Embrace, extend, and extinguish",[1] also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] that was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

>>55766952
Well they did make it a bit better since the early 2000's, it was awful back then

>OH NO BOTNET I DON'T LIKE IS THREATENING THE BOTNET I DO LIKE!!!
Steam is cancer that taught people it's ok to not actually own what you paid for, and it's acceptable to have all your stuff taken away from you for any reason. And it also spies on you.

>>55765427
>It's well established that Tim Sweeney, co-founder of Epic Games and co-creator of the Unreal Engine, is not a fan of Windows 10.

>Now, in an interview with Edge Magazine, Sweeney has become even more direct in his criticisms, claiming that future updates to Windows 10 could serve to erode the usefulness of third-party applications and storefronts like Steam.

>claiming

So he's just making shit up

>>55767485

neat as fuck

>>55767557
Because this "progress" results in desktops being locked down like phones are and greatly limits user freedom.

>>55767616
>>55767620
See >>55766966 and >>55767221

Steam OS and Vulcan coup d'etat

Good, Maybe SteamOS will be ok by then.

>also
Fuck Games For Windows™ /Live

>>55767620
>So he's just making shit up

have 2 cents pajeet

>>55765427
Again what's to stop valve filing a class action if they can prove this?

>>55766228
Who would write something like this?

>>55767735
Microsoft doesn't have to attack Steam directly. They just have to only continue to develop the new Universal Windows Platform that requires users to turn off security settings to allow programs not from the Microsoft store and slowly wind down and eventually stop further development of Win32. Think for a moment. There's more ways to achieve a goal than just direct action and attacks.

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>meanwhile in reality
>all my games run better on Windows 10

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>>55768111
Yes, these performance gains are truly incredible.

>>55767485
Neat, thanks for the link. Ditching Windows now and I'll do that for my GTX 1070.

>>55768111
isnt this normal? usually half assed ports run slower on platforms they were not written for oreginally. Thats why steam on linux doesnt make sense.
t. steam/ubuntu user.

Have steam on debian, no worries

>>55767086
Because Apple does it to make things even simpler for all the retards, but doesn't fuck over people who don't need their hands held at the same time.

Windows does it because they want to force you to do shit their way, for no discernable reason.

Whereas when Apple does this shit, things actually become more streamlined, whenever Microsoft does it, they manage to make everything even more broken, fucked up, and retarded than ever before thought possible.


Although it's seriously looking like Linux will be the only choice in the next couple of decades.

>>55767616
To be honest, as much as I'm not comfortable with the idea of not actually owning my games, Steam has saved me a lot more than it's ever fucked me. I don't have to keep track of all my games as physical copies or download keys or whatever, and I have them all immediately available on whatever computer I log on to.

claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

also i think that the likelier scenario is that microsoft will just drop their windows store in 2-3 years and make all previously purchased software unusable. unlike tim sweeney's claim, this is based on something microsoft actually did in the past with GFWL.

>>55767616
Holy shit it's incredible how dumb people on this board sometimes are. Steam is not the point you gigantic retard. The point is that Microsoft is using its leverage to impose their own platform and limit competition, not only from Steam but from possible future competitors. Maybe the next Steam-like store doesn't have DRM, but it won't be possible for them to compete with MS.

>>55767616
what has valve taken from anyone?

and as for the spying, well if you value your privacy then you don't belong on a computer. we've been living in a post-privacy world for a while now.

>>55768250
>Although it's seriously looking like Linux will be the only choice in the next couple of decades.
You faggots say this every year. The year of the Linux desktop is never coming, you fuckers are delusional

>>55766966
There is no way they are ever going to deprecate win32. After all their own fucking OS depends on the win32 subsystem. If they deprecate that they can kiss enterprise customers any everyone else basically goodbye because any application not written for UWP will not run.

>>55768160
No it's not fucking true.

>>55767086
You don't see people chimping out over it because people who hate the single-source silo business concept never switched to Apple. They just stuck with the PC's open ecosystem.

Now they're going to get the mountain brought to them.

>>55767221
I maintain software that's 20 years old. The only reason we use windows machines is due to windows still being able to run this legacy software with minor modifications. If MS decides to kill the legacy appeal then the company will either port or rewrite the software for linux or just cease operations.

The MS direction is worrying. The people that chose UNIX as the platform for their business critical applications did a wise choice. I've maintained software with origins from the 70s that just have been ported BSD in the recent decade.

>>55766413
>pci passthrough
Do you use a kvm switch for your monitor and keyboard? I've been thinking of buying the new Intel EE CPU with 10 cores. Don't feel my 6 cores are enough for the maximum gaymen experience if I dedicate 2 to the host.

>>55768437
Making a Enterprise version with Win32 support for third-party programs and a Home/Pro version without it wouldn't surprise me. They'll make up some bullshit, like Win32 is insecure or old or whatever and you should move to UWP, etc. But that'll take at least 5 years, or more. As you said they depend on Win32, but as you can see W10 has already UWP replacements for old Win32 apps, like Edge instead of IE (if they were able to port an entire browser to UWP there's no technical reason to not move the rest), the new Calculator, the Settings, etc.

They'll leave a subset of Win32 API for non-GUI things and mark GUI-related Win32 functions as deprecated, effectively killing the platform.

>>55767557
>I don't see you bitching over the fact that you can't run 16-bit executables on windows anymore either.
But you still can on 32 bit editions of the OS.

>>55768446
the fact that im running steam/ubuntu or the fact that some games, mainly ones that are ported from windows (borderlands 2 & ps, saints row 3 & 4, trine (esp 2), witcher 2, dead island in my experience) have either lower fps than on windows or some kind of weird bugs (for example euro truck simulator 2 opens in a quarter of fullscreen when fullscreen , only on my laptop, pc is fine). Im not saying linux sucks ass , i love it , but usually the ports are done really badly.
For example amnesia or dota 2 are good ports that run better on linux for me. Terraria is also less buggy than the windows version ,and i believe its some kind of mono port, since it still has .exe files in directory.

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>>55765427
what was that about you could disable all the shit you didn't like on windows 10 and you were tinfoil if you refused to "upgrade" to windows 10?

I think it was all the Windows 10 threads when it was released as a """""""free""""""" upgrade

Sounds like something that would make Steam OS bigger, and eventually push gaymen over to Linux completely.

Well done, Microsoft. Please continue on your path to self-annihilation.

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Holy fucking shit, the autism in this thread ...

And to think I used to visit 4chan on a regular basis...

>>55768562
Seems far-fetched. It's far more likely that MS will cease to exist for the home market. As a windows phone user the apps promised with the new "just recompile your android and iphone app and it will become UWP" hasn't happened at all. Companies just ignore that platform. It has gone so far I'm just going to switch to lagdroid after being a windows phone/mobile user for over a decade.

>>55766966
It's ironic that OS X gives you more control than Windows now. I can at least tell my computer not to update.

>>55768250
You know tech is shit when an OS thrown together out of last millennia's leftovers and today's dogshit, held together with the digital equivalent of bandaids, and maintained by a bunch of smelly NEETs who can't agree on anything is being referred to as "the only choice". Then again Linux might improve drastically if more people used it.

>>55768694
AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>55765471
People who buy a new computer don't always have a choice. Installing Linux is more difficult now than ever with the SecureBoot bullshit and even when you manage to get everything installed things usually aren't perfect for newer devices. Finally, WINE isn't a good enough substitute for everything (though its excellent for a lot of things)

>>55766952
>They marketed W10 to gamers by showing them Steam and Steam-related products. That's not something you do when you see it as your competitor and you are going to destroy them in the next 5 years.

No they didn't, they advertised exclusive Windows Store games with Windows 10 like Killer Instinct and Gears.

>>55768437
See >>55767221, it's not like they're going to push an update tomorrow that gives you the choice of either taking the mark of the botnet on your head or hand or ceasing to use Windows.

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>>55768146
>hitman absolution

>>55766966
I like the edge interface though

Not worth the absolute shit selection of apps windows store is in any manner

We all knew this was coming

>>55768111
>dumb chen poster

Linux

Vulkan

Gamers have always wanted to be tech savvy Linux users, with free software to boot fueling their moderate to poor average income

>>55767755
before Steam, PC games actually came on disc

fuck steam. it's the cancer that ruined both PC gaming, AND Valve as a game developer

>>55765427
>Microcucks getting STEAM destroyed
>Valve taking Steam Seriously

>People know how to dualboot to Linux in 2016

Microshit is dead

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>>55770800
>Nostalgiacucks

>>55765427
Being a successful software company on the Windows platform either gets you bought out, or crushed. Getting into the spotlight on the windows platform is the beginning of the end.

You know it's coming when you start. Shut up and take the buy-out they offer you. It will be shit, but more than you will get when MS crushes you through shitty business practices and "updates" that break your program's features.

True story.

>>55768828
>It's ironic that OS X gives you more control than Windows now. I can at least tell my computer not to update

Jesus your out of date.

>>55766710
I was one of those haters who now thinks it is allright

But my reasons were somewhat simple:
>Internet download of possibly multiple GB in 2004
Even though cable came around in 1999 back than a 1.5Mbps line wasn't even as common as dial-up still in the USA
>forcing more programs to run on an older computer
Just autism, but having anything chew up my 256MB of RAM ticked me off
>"Gee Billy what if Steam dies and I lose my game license rights with it?"
Well 12 years later...but will there be another 12 years?

Now I hate it for entirely different reasons.

>>55766966
that would be political suicide since literally 99% of all windows software is from individual own sources that can't really be consolidated, industry included

>>55770800
Before steam, the Internet wasn't as wide spread as it was when steam came out. distribution of software via discs was still viable but even by 2006 this was already starting to die out

>>55765427
well that's that, time to start learning loonix.

Windows 10 is such fucking garbage. I recently installed it on a new laptop of mine and it came with all this fucking shit like candy crush demos and stuff. It took over an hour just to uninstall all this adware and another hour to uninstall all the useless apps like Xbox.app.

Surprisingly I can't uninstall the Xbox.ControllerUI from windows 10 no matter how hard I try and I can't uninstall Cortana from the GPO either.

this is the worst garbage with the amount of useless and redundant menus. Why is it that when I want to change my mouse settings I go to my menus and I have to search control panel through a useless ass menu just to click "mouse options" to be brought to a useless menu that introduces the mouse menu just to click "advanced mouse options" JUST TO GET TO THE FUCKING OLD MOUSE MENU WITH ALL MY OPTIONS?

>>55767557
the difference on why you can't run 16-bit applications on a 64bit OS has nothing to do with design. Its a limitation of the architecture its built on with how processors run in long mode or compatible mode.

>>55768632
>the ports are done really badly
and how is that the OS fault ?
Blame the devs instead retard.

Gaming on linux make sense since it will benefit everyone.

>microsoft doing anything that kills compatibility
lol

>>55765427
Vulkan + Steam = PC gaming master race

Windooze is deprecated

>>55766952
What are you, like 12?

See WordPerfect, Borland, Netscape, and tons of other companies that experienced the same. The claim is not pulled out of thin air.

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>>55771179
Oh, did they get rid of apostrophes in the year 5000?

>>55767026
Then you are fucking retarded. Go get an iphone

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>>55767485
Oh shit son

>>55766667
>name games you like so I can tell you they suck

haha kill yourself

>>55766667
>Name one game on steam that is even worth playing.
So you actually don't like vidiya games?

>>55765427
Good, maybe steam will start getting actually serious with steam machines. YOTLD.

>>55765427
For what reason would MS disable Win32

This would fuck over app developers who use more platforms than just Win10 would it not?

Windows is and always has been a closed platform this entire article is ridiculous...

>>55765427
>The risk here is that, if Microsoft convinces everybody to use UWP, then they phase out Win32 apps.

People see UWP apps as mobile apps that work on PC and Mobiles.

There won't be any major software development for that shitty ass system.

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>>55766966
>>55767090
>>55768828
Fuck off dick babies.

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>>55772143
Not him but Steam is so flooded with shit and any game worth a damn requires high end hardware (see: fucking expensive) to play with decent settings

Might as well get a console if you just want to play video games, sure it will cost more in the end but most people have money then not now. Also name one exclusive that has come out in the past 6 years that is worth spending money on

>>55772969
Closed platform != Closed source

>muuuh video games!!

Grow the fuck up.

>>55772969
You're special, aren't you?

>>55773159
>muuuuuh grow the f**k up

Grow the fuck up.

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but steam already kinda blows, its stuck on x86 isnt it? its like complaining microsoft is deliberately making old controllers obsolete by removing old printer port shit. OH NOES MY MICROSOFT SIDEWINDER STICK CANT BE PLUGGED IN, ITS A CONSPIRACY

>>55773241
yeah dude mirroring him in a patronizing way is a great way to counter the maturity complaint

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>Tfw when the only option where you can still customize your PC is linux
>Tfw when Linux becomes mainstream then becomes shit
>Tfw BSD becomes the new Linux
Back to square one

>>55772096
Not what I meant.
See
>>55773005

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>>55773378
>GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY KERNEL NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55768551
You need a strong CPU as there's a bit of CPU overhead.
I use a KVM to switch between host and guest.
Synergy wouldn't be a bad choice either but my DPI related comfort stuff is windows only.

You can overcommit both RAM and CPU, not without consequences, in KVM

Host gets 8 cores and has to share with the guest, they might fight though, which is why I'm looking into a better CPU.

Audio crackles when my file system makes compression operations on disk read/write and it misses audio calls. I mostly remedy that by decreasing guest process niceness.
It's not bad when the I/O is low but when it maxes, it becomes noticeable.

CPU and RAM are top priority upgrades, GPU is an afterthought, funny enough.
Moar cores are, at long last, necessary and I'm kind of disappointed I only have 8 threads to dedicate.

>>55768874
How can formating avhard drive be hard?

>>55773804
>CPU and RAM are top priority upgrades, GPU is an afterthought, funny enough.
Just wanted to expand upon this a little more:

>GPU bottleneck
>Average framerate is slightly low / underwhelming

>CPU fighting/ bottleneck
>Framerate dips & stutter with I/O trouble

I'll take a lower average &/or less samples of AA over inconsistent frame times.

>gaymur shit
>using Windows

Wow idc

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>>55774240
>literally entering a thread you dont care about to post about how you dont care about it
>he cares so little hes totally not gonna reply

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>>55773378
>Tfw when Linux becomes mainstream

What are web servers you supreme meme.

>>55773159
>muh muh gaymes xDDD
troled

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>>55773005
>Steam is so flooded with shit
>Might as well get a console
you make not a lot of sense anon

>>55765427

I don't get what Tim Sweeney's problem is, Microsoft have already said that UWP games could be released on other platforms like Steam, but despite that, Microsoft would be fucking insane to deprecate the win32 APIs because it's not only games that use them, over 95% of applications running on Windows use those same APIs.

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>>55765427
> windows is all about games

>>55774240
anime poster go die in a furnace

>>55776832
Yes, windows is all about games. Without games there would be barely any enthusiasts using windows.

>>55766667
Dota, csgo, talos principle, binding of isaac, rocket league

>>55765427
>windows 10
Does anybody actually use this spyware-infested shit?

>not using glorious BSDs

>>55765427
Get GOG Galaxy.

>>55776832
Thats all I ever use it for. I can go for months without ever booting into windows.

Steam is a shitheap of a piece of software and should go anyway. Windows 10 too, but I'd like to see them destroy each other

>>55766667
>then go back to origin or battle net

casual faggot detected

battle.net is cancer
origin is ACTUALLY spyware, wish I had the image with the anon showing it scanning all of his shit

>>55777325
>literally poor man's Linux

>>55777669
it existed before linux though

>Developer crying because he's going to be on the receiving end of an enclosed platform when he had no compunctions regarding forcing an enclosed platform upon end users

Good, fuck him and fuck them.

>>55777669
Linux is the poor man's BSD.

>>55768426
>>>55767616
>and as for the spying, well if you value your privacy then you don't belong on a computer. we've been living in a post-privacy world for a while now.
I don't get this black-or-white approach. So I either have complete privacy in the hills of Alaska or I have to give myself in entirely to the botnet? There's no middle-ground?

>>55778153

false dichotomy bro

they can't prove there's any spying going on, just gut feelings and a bunch of blog posts from bloggers who ran wireshark without knowing wtf they were doing.

>hates botnets and drm
>supports steam
cancer. gog is the way to go

>>55766966
>Microsoft
>actually capable of implementing devious long-term plans like that

Nigga, please. I'm sure Satya Nadella has wet dreams about doing something like this, but that's about as far as it goes realistically.

>open platform
>Windows

Wtf am I reading?

>>55766966
If this is true, and I doubt it is, I welcome microsoft's suicide.
However, their death spasms will ruin a lot of things for a long time,.

>>55778562
That's a strange was of saying "vastly improve"

>>55765427
>source: some random person's ass
shoo shoo, loonix shill.

>>55768426
>what has valve taken from anyone?
Your consumer rights, like all digital download stores that don't give you fully DRM free files. However steam invading privacy is horseshit.

>>55768748
this basically

>>55771354
It always was viable, that era just saw a lot of paid exclusivity deals. Consoles were seen as way more profitable at the time.

>>55778542
Microsoft is notorious for this though. They embrace an concept someone else has, they inject their propriety shit into it, and they extinguish the concept creator's vision to hijack it as their own.

>>55765427
>kwt
What does this mean?

I'll just leave this here
https://gitlab.com/atom0s/Steamless

>>55765427
Both Steam and Windows 10 need to die.
It would kill 99% of the retarded underage gayman community.

Good. Fuck valve. They've been forcing their DRM cancer shit harder than any company in the history of software.

To this day I can still give a friend my copy of W95 and they can install it on their VM and mess around in it for kicks. Good fucking luck sharing anything at all with Steam DRM shit infesting everything including retail boxed software.

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>>>55765471
>when you manage to get everything installed things usually aren't perfect for newer devices.

How so?

>>55766566
you need gentoo for that

>>55766568
i literally just use it to browse games i might torrent or purchase and install directly

>>55781809
>gibsmedem gayums
your friend can get evaluation copies of all the windows shit to mess around with

>>55766681
>Community
>Discord

Hello hipster reddit

>>55781809

See this >>55781377

Only issue is no mutliplayer functionality and someone must have bought the game on steam already.

>>55765427
valve need no help making steam shit

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>>55768146
>dx11

>>55770800
What type of retard wants to kill the indie gaming community and reduce access to millions of games because of nostalgia?

Seriously, brick and mortar couldn't hold that many CDs and shipping then is less efficient than just sending data via electromagnetic waves, you dumb fuck.

I hope this is bait.

>I don't own my games from steam
Bitch, you don't own any games. EVERY GAME HAS A LICENSE AGREEMENT BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY DON'T OWN IT. You're licensing it, you fuck

>>55782891
>Bitch, you don't own any games. EVERY GAME HAS A LICENSE AGREEMENT BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY DON'T OWN IT. You're licensing it, you fuck
EU laws disagree

>>55766966
As if UWP could replace Win32.
UWP is the lowest common denominator between desktop PCs, tablets, phones, the fucking Xbone and the Holocaust or whatever it's called.

As a result, it's awkward on all systems and extremely limited. You can make phone quality applications with it, but why would you? You don't want that on your work PC.
Windows Mobile and the Xbone lack the userbase to make it attractive for developers.
Even from a convenience standpoint for developers, it's not any better than WPF.
And WPF at least has good looking results.

You can see how much trouble the edge team is having making a decent looking interface and they're probably in bed with the UWP team.

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>>55768874
>Installing Linux is more difficult than ever

>>55768428
>d-delusional!!! hahaha suck that linsux users!!!