Is KDE good now?

Yes, I use it. It's great.

No it's awful

>>55760255
>>55760420
Nice

Cinnamon is better, but KDE takes second place.

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>>55760232
>logo is cringe

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>>55760732
This one better?

>>55760771
Putting the first letter of the product as a logo is just unimaginative.

>>55760232
KDE is the only option

>>55760232
Yes KDE is good, just use neon repo.

>>55760888
>neon repo
Wouldn't repos such as Arch's have the same thing as the neon ones?

Hasn't KDE always been a resource eater? My laptop is old. Can't afford that.

>>55760716
In what way is cinnamon better ?
>>55760905
Yes, neon is for Ubuntu (because canonical stopped funding KDE and pushed out everyone working on kubuntu).

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>>55760968
Never had an issue with resources. I had the original EEE-PC, back when those where a thing, and after playing around with all kinds of netbook distros, I just went "fuck it" and installed a normal distro with full KDE without any issue whatsoever. My old CoreDuo laptop also runs it without issues.

without issues regarding to hardwear needs, that is.

KDE5 is a horrible, unstable mess. Unfortunately, no recent distro ships KDE4, so I just deal with plasma crashing every 10 minutes, and dont customize anything, because I cant be bothered to put in the config work every month when I have to reinstall that fucking piece of shit.

But everything else is even worse.

>mfw cucked by KDE

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>>55760232

>>55761066
Kek

>>55760968
It used to be the case, but I recently compared the latest of cinnamon - plasma(KDE) - gnome... turns out plasma is now far more efficient than the other two(specially if you are using lots of extensions in gnome or cinnamon).

Also, kwin kicks muffin / mutter wm's ass.

Only place where plasma loses is disk footprint, it takes few hundred megs more than the other two.

If you want something lighter than these three, then try xfce.

>>55761063
Consider installing neon edition of KDE if you are using Ubuntu. Also try deleting ~/.kde* and KDE stuff in ~/.config.

>>55760788
Isn't it just called K Desktop Environment? It's not just the first letter, it's literally the name of the thing.

No, it's unstable as fuck.
Have you ever had the "explorer has stopped working" problem in Windows? If so, KDE is exactly like that and more.

>>55761234
Honestly, last time I tried KDE it crashed 3-5 minutes after booting a fresh install, so I gave up instantly.
Though, people now claim it's better with Neon or whatever, only one way to find out

>>55761155
Kommon Desktop Environment
Xforms Common Environment
Common Desktop Environment

>>55761267

Wasn't it Kool DE? Never official ofc.

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trinity (kde3) is nice.

I like it.
I does not matter if the DE uses more resources, is filled with bugs, it is better than everything else.
Everything on kde is better than the competition.
Kwin is the best stacking window manager.
Kate is the best graphical text editor
Kile is the best latex editor
Dolphin is the best file manager.
Krunner is the best launcher/window switcher/calculator/file search thing.

>>55761575
i dont understand why KDE4/5 isnt literally KDE3 but better looking

>>55761624
because it is better?
kwin has gpu support
krunner is now a thing.

What made kde3 worth using other than being much lighter than kde4+

nah

My laptop is old, and cinnamon was making it noisy, so I switched to MATE

How does MATE r8 in terms of resource lightness?

>>55761646
actually being useful

>>55761624
KDE has a shortage of developers, and the ratio of faggots:good developers is leaning more towards faggots now. Konqueror as a file manager is god-tier, dolphin is shit.
Also fun fact: chrome and safari's layout engines have roots to KDE's KHTML layout engine.

>>55761671
Gnome 2 worked really nice on an old pentium M machine with 1gb of ram i used to have. Kind of miss that Gateway M275.

>>55761692
dolphin is different.
I like dolphin because it is better for files.
To me it is basically a terminal with a graphical interface.
As a developer, you cannot keep piling features on to an application.
With dolphin, they realized this.
So they just put a terminal into it.
Now I can do everything I can do from a terminal in my file manager.
It is better.

>>55761692
>the ratio of faggots:good developers is leaning more towards faggots
Isn't all of linux like that tho?

>>55761692
>Also fun fact: chrome and safari's layout engines have roots to KDE's KHTML layout engine.

Yeah, they should do something about that KHTML thing.

>>55761919
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called ``Linux'', and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called ``Linux'' distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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>>55761692
>dolphin is shit.
Tiptop kek

>>55761971
+1

>>55761971
This was funny in the last century.

>>55761990
/r/linux detected.

>>55761624
because it is literally kde 3 rework that breaks everything each release.

>>55761779
I seriously dont understand why that is not a standard feature in every file manager. Best of both worlds!

All the convinience of a GUI, with the added power of the terminal, in one nice package.

>>55762244
People have been trying to get away from the terminal for so long that they don't see that it is hurting the platform.

Embrace the meme.

>>55762202
I wasn't the one who made this post
>>55761990

But I for one read about it on planetkde.org
So get the fuck out of here with your /r/linux bullshit. You must have been using reddit or else how would you know it was on reddit.

>>55761063
>KDE5 is a horrible, unstable mess. Unfortunately, no recent distro ships KDE4,

what is slackware ?

>>55762323
An OS for neckbeards

I prefer Unity, KDE is so Windows.

>>55762323
>what is slackware ?
Definitely not a >recent distro
I get it, a well configured slackware is a comfy and stable as it gets, but I'D rather spend the 10 years I need to get to that point with other stuff, like having a job, a gf, hobbies besides computers and seeing more of the world than moms basement.

>>55760232
KDE5 isn't ready for prime time yet. I'm still on KDE4 waiting for enough stability to be worth switching over.

What should I use if I want .debs - Kubuntu or neon?

does KDE5 have a windows to configure graphics tablet?
no?
... they forgot to port it from 4 to 5? ...

really make u think

>>55762388
Wow have fun with that then I guess.

>>55762388
So, never

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>>55760232
TDE is best

>>55762362
>It takes ten years to configure Slackware
Welcome to the Linux world. I see you've joined us in the past year.

I literally installed and set up slack 14.2 with alsa nix pulse on a new computer yesterday in like an hour. The actual installation took like ten minutes, the autistic rice took the rest of the time. Slack is stable and easy to configure.

>>55762979
>I see you've joined us in the past year.
Nope. I actually joined back in the days when slack was still relevant, and a somewhat easy to use linux distro did actually cost you money. I really need to take a pic of that fuckhuge SuSe Profesional box, when I visit my parents the next time…

But the last time I checked, it still did not have a package manager and a readymade iso that I just install and have everything working (that means: booting straight to a GUI, with everything you need already there.). Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, what's the conclusion? Is it good or not?

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It fucking sucks.
plasma crashes every 30 seconds
qt is shit

Use GNOME

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>>55763381
>plasma crashes every 30 seconds
Works on my machine.

>qt is shit
Your opinion is wrong.

stop spamming the "plasma crashing all the time" meme, it's not because you have a specific bug that everyone will have it.

and every one saying "qt is shit" are not programer.
they are just plebs who are mad about the bad integration of qt theme in Gnome

>>55760232
Seemed very nice on arch at the start but over time it started spewing errors and crashing. Using Xfce now, feels a lot better and I made it look a lot nicer.

>>55760232
People have been asking that since release of KDE 4.0 over 10 years ago.

Answer is still no.

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>>55761624
You want to understand what went wrong?

Here: http://otso.neocities.org/ramblings/kde4.html

Literally a long story.

>>55763552
>they are just plebs who are mad about the bad integration of qt theme in Gnome
Then they will get furious in two years when their server distro updates to current packages. Qt dropped gtkstyle for good.

>>55763552
>stop spamming the "plasma crashing all the time" meme,
But it does crash all the time
>it's not because you have a specific bug that everyone will have it.
How fucking specific can a bug be, when it shows up on a fresh install, without any customization or 3rd party repos?
Seems like Plasma working flawlessly is a rare bug, that you seem to have caught.

>>55763694
Different anon, but plasma5 runs smoother than gnome on my hardware. Even gnome's wayland session is laggy when opening the menu, probably because of neglecting making that turd usable.
Seems like Plasma not working flawlessly is a rare bug, that you seem to have caught.

>>55763753
>plasma5 runs smoother
Of course it runs smooth.
It also looks nice, and unlike Gnome3, it does not try to force a shitty workflow on me.
that was never the discussion.
Problem is, it simply downright crashes all the time.
And not just for me.
Everyone I know that uses KDE either has hundreds of storys of weird crashes, or uses something else now, and hates it even more.

>>55763788
Plasma5 only really works with arch and gentoo everything else is mostly too outdated or unusable. I have heard that shitty gpu drivers can make it crash too but since I use radeon since six years ago I never had any sort problem in that regard.
Guess I lucked out and have the same hardware as the developers.

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>>55760232
No, but we are running out of options, since GNOME/GTK devs have gone mentally ill and nobody is maintaining a GTK fork in a non-laughable manner.

>>55763788
but it doesn't crash all the time.
Right when plasma 5 came out, it had a lot of problems that made it crash all the time, but those problems have been fixed now, at least on my systems.
Sure I have experienced problems throughout the years of using kde, but major revisions like that will cause problems.

I hate the cult of K that comes along with KDE. Now you're obligated to use K-apps for everything. Same issue with Gnome. Gnome is a cult of G.

Maybe things are different now, but years ago when I used Kubuntu and chose to install G-apps that used a different framework, it was so ugly having apps that didn't have the same look to them. It was like running iTunes on Windows.

>>55763896
You say it is like it is a new thing.

>>55762323
Or Debian stable

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>>55760232
KDE is a good option if you want the 'big package'. I prefer XFCE but KDE runs nice on two of my machines.
>>55760716
Cinnamon is probably the best option for Windows users.

>>55763896
That's because nobody is able to make sense out of that terrible fucking mess of a codebase, its authors included. Can't wait for the day GTK is finally dead for good.

>>55763944
you have to install a gtk theme that looks like your qt theme, but then you can have other applications.

The major problem is that nobody have fixed the toolkits yet.
There is this ancient bug where the toolkit creates its own file dialog instead of calling a shared library.

This causes different applications to have different file dialogs.

>>55764020
That problem will get worse in the coming months/years when stablefags update their system and whine that Qt apps look like windows 95 again. Qt dropped their gtk2 support and will use the standard theme again like we are in the early 2000s. Now gtk fags will have to deal with the same problem Qt fags had since the beginning with gtk and must find themes that support all of linux applications and not only glorified css phone apps.

>>55761063
>Unfortunately, no recent distro ships KDE4
Latest Slackware ships with it.

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>>55761063
>>55761234
>>55762231
>>55763381
>>55763552
>>55763694
>>55763753
>>55763788
Plasma 5 crashes are caused by bad drivers. It's not KDE's fault. I had a GTX 750, running proprietary drivers, and I would get crashes within three minutes of using Plasma 5. They were so bad that they required a reboot, and made it unusable.

So, I ordered a $30 HD6450 for the sole purpose of being able to use the open source Radeon driver. Everything works flawlessly now. And incidentally, the screen-tearing issues I had in a lot of other DEs are also gone.

People like to promote the idea that Linux can run on any machine, but the reality is a lot shittier. Nvidia cards are shit-tier at desktop environments, regardless of how good they perform at vidya. Intel's latest graphics drivers are also getting really bad. If you're having problems with a mainstream DE, the solution is often different hardware, not a different DE. AMD's linux drivers aren't the best at vidya, but they will eliminate screen tearing and crashes. The situation is similar with wifi cards, bluetooth, etc: if you don't have the right hardware, you really should not bother with Linux.

>>55764653
>Plasma 5 crashes are caused by bad drivers. It's not KDE's fault. I had a GTX 750, running proprietary drivers,
Jokes on you, I have an intel GPU, in a thinkpad, those always work, and are good enough for anything besides gaming!

>Intel's latest graphics drivers are also getting really bad.
Well, fuck me sideways then…
Or rather, fuck me in the ass, since I probably will end up in the apple store, if that doesnt get fixed soon.

>>55764929
Intel didn't release a new drive since three years ago. Distributions are forced to use unstable development versions and that's where all the trouble comes from.

>>55764929
>Jokes on you, I have an intel GPU, in a thinkpad, those always work, and are good enough for anything besides gaming!
you'll be fine dude, the problem is just for people with newer stuff like Skylake.

>>55763511
where the fuck did you find this.
it's not on opensissy leap or tumbleweed or kubuntu.

>>55764151
triskel

KDE was always a best.

>>55763148
Not that guy, but I use slack on a desktop and it has a package manager. It also has an .iso with an installer. Once you install, you have KDE by default (or you could install something else if you don't like that), and it works out of the box.

I didn't really care for kde4 but I really like plasma 5. Every thread I read about it I find a cool feature I didn't even know it had.

The k programs are better than g programs.
Install some other wm if you don't like the k interface.
Not liking the desktop environment default wm is a piss poor excuse for running 2nd tier apps.

>>55766875
>Install some other wm if you don't like the k interface.

Better yet: customize it to your liking

>>55760771
You made it worse.

>>55760232
no, it's terrible. THERE IS A FUCKING LOADING BAR FOR THE DESKTOP. Think about that. you have to load your desktop like a fucking game. Plus it's broken as fuck on certain linux operation systems. It's incredibly glitchy on ubuntu, for example.

If you want something that looks nice but functions, I'd recommend gnome 3.

>>55767121

The splash screen is pretty pointless and after its disabled it loads just as fast as gnome. I can only speak from personal experience on glitches but they've been pretty rare for me.

>>55766235
its from the releng3.0 branch of this repo
https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=wacomtablet.git

How do you use kde if 90% apps are gtk? I woul like to switch but din't wana mske gtk/qt mess in my box

>>55760716
I'm currently using Cinnamon, and it still does have a lot of the typical gnome broken shit going on. KDE is Qt, so it's probably avoiding most of the gnome shit, even if the UI was designed by an alien.

Manjaro's skin looks pretty nice though.

>>55761619
/agreed

the rest are fucking shit tier, maybe lxqt will become decent but who knows

>>55761051
Better UI. It's got a decent amount of customization options without going overboard. They are easier to configure for most people since you can change it up in a GUI instead of spending time editing text files. It's more intuitive, and windows users will feel more at home with it, so it makes a change to Linux more realistic. Etc.

The one thing that KDE has going for it is thumbnails when uploading a picture.

I tried the new KDE, and I have to say I disliked it. It never seems to be finished, because there's too much configuration stuff everywhere. I mean look at it, two burger-menues on the desktop and configuration-options for the configuration menues. It's insane. Sorry for beeing a Gnome-fag, but changing a little parameter in a config file seems clearer to me than clicking through endless tables of checkboxes.

>>55760232
What's the best distro/spin with kde pre-installed for a noob?
- Chakra
- KaOS
- Kubuntu
- Manjaro KDE
- ...

>>55771175
Neon