Midori

>>55707670
What makes midori use so much less ram?
Is that seriously how much ram it uses? Why doesn't adding tabs increase ram?

dude shut the fuck up about tabs. there is three fucking threads already. kill yourself.

>>55707910
Would you prefer muh rx 480 muh gimping muh thermi housefire meme Edition?

>>55707670
What makes midori so good at ram management compared to firefox? Why is everything else so bloated?

>has adblock and noscript
Wow

Stores things on disk instead of memory when not viewed? How hard is this to understand?

Come back once you've tested with 300+ tabs.

>>55709134
>using 300+ tabs
You're internetting wrong.

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>>55707670
>speed
>features
>memory

you can only choose one and you have to sacrifice the others

>>55709194
>faster than firefox and chrom*
>a ton of features
>uses almost no memory
MAGIC

>>55709134
Why would anyone need that many? I start feeling uncomfortable past 10 tabs.

>everything still works
Not in my experience, this piece of shit crashes all the time

>>55709242
Isn't that what op said?

>>55707670
give prouf nigger https://dpaste.de/yOAF/raw

>>55709560
>firefox
about:memory

How to stop midori from crashing so much? I like it but it's just too crashy to be usable

>>55707670
>>increase to 8 tabs, ram barely goes up at all
All my expensive RAM wasted!

Unused ram is wasted ram. Midori looks flat and slow.

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>>55707670
>midori
Sound kawaii sign me up <3

>>55710290
It's actually super fast and smooth on limited hardware compared to most other browsers, especially when ram limited. Opera is pretty good too though, somehow faster than even chrome which it's based off

>>55707670
>midori
>working browser
pick one

>>55707886
Is just a meme, bro.

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Wow, it's actually great! Thanks op!
But scrolling speed is very slow. How do I make it faster?

>>55707670
>Cuckdora
>Stability
tiptop kek

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Its nice with Trinity.

Haven't used midori for ages. Caused me some problems so I went back to chrome. Gonna check how it works now.

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>>55710740

>>55710690
Is yours crashing, or stable?

>>55710797
crashed once

>midori
Could never run it for more than 10 minutes w/out crashing.

The "unused RAM is wasted RAM" crap that people like to spew is only true half the time at best. Used RAM can just as easily be wasted if using it provides no perceptible value. In that case, it's like excusing yourself for driving a Hummer because hey, unused gasoline is wasted gasoline!

RAM shouldn't just be used, it should be put to GOOD use. I want to see my memory being utilized to make my life easier instead of being filled with shit for no good reason.

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>>55707670
>K-Meleon
>11 tabs
>~50MB

>>55707670
had like 22 tabs open in Firefox on a raspi 2 and only had like 400-500MB RAM used according to htop, and it was more responsive than Midori on the thing by a country mile
and with like 3-4 tabs, it was still like 200-300 (I get like 100-150MB idle, it's 123MB right now)

Ok, I've installed Midori:
>type in google.com
>"Midori can't find the page you're looking for"

>>55710897
>censoring your other processes

>>55709171
If you're not using software to and past its breaking point you're not doing it right. Any faggot can tell a browser to drop everything to disk cache the second its done rendering and then go "Look at me, mom, barely any ram used!". The real question is how well it holds up once it gets into the hands of someone who doesn't think facebook.com is the entirety of the internet and never opens anything else.

Keep that fucker running for weeks at a time, loading and unloading tens of gigabytes of data, load up 100+ pages, close them all again, load another 300 and so on. *That* will tell you how good its memory management is.

> Caring about memory
> In 2016

I bet you faggots still close exporer.exe because muh ram

>>55707670
>>firefox
>>4 tabs
>>1.4GB ram
Maybe don't install every single addon for it ?

> Using chrome
> Six tabs open
> The highest memory is Youtube playing in 720 60FPS at 250MB
> The other tabs are around 50-80 MB
Am I being memed here or something? what kind of shit browser would eat up 1.5gb of ram for 4 tabs?

>>55710841
It's also great when you're on a device with limited ram, like a netbook. My friends baytrail has only 2GB. Still handles ~10 tabs in chrome fine though, but I'm sure midori would run better

>>55711092
Single core 900mhz celery on an eee 900 with 2GB ram sitting on my nightstand. 65 tabs in firefox. Chrome is great for casual use, but does not scale well. No sandboxed multi-process browser does because there's a pretty hard limit on how well they can share memory between processes.

It seems great and all and I would like to use it, but what's the deal with this shit
how do I modify the UI

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>>55711225
forgot

>>55711244
Nothing in the settings tab? Top right I think.

>>55707670
Midori has issues with crashing everywhere. However because of all of it's plugins being written with the same GTK toolkit design the modularity of it is spectacular.

However if you want light RAM footprint I'd also recommend Min, which is supposed to be for focused working but is one of the fastest browsers and has a nearly perfect HTML5 score. A few caveats, no download progress bar being the noticeable one. Has builtin adblock!

But yeah I think browser memory footprint is way off the hook and Palemoon has kept me coming back for offering a full platform and still the extensibility of the other big browsers.

>>55707670
>What is this sorcery?
webkit?

Honestly I just want a browser that works well, has codecs, extensions, and side tabs.

reee, etc

The trade off is that Midori has jack shit in terms of features.

If you don't use those features then that's OK.

>>55711556
Figured it out.
Change gtk theme and right click the correct part of the top bar.

Okay, one last problem. I need to duplicate the function of Open With.
How it stands in firefox, I can open a link to youtube with mpv by right clicking and hitting M, which is super quick.
How do I get this? it's changed how I use the internet.

>>55709231

because there's all that information you're going to read but not right now

Seriously, tab-hoarding is a disease.

>>55711680
lmfao that's exactly why midori is a shit browser

>>55711684
iktfb

What sucks for me is that I built this PC on a budget 2 years agoa and skimped out on RAM.

I only have 4GB and it really fucks me using Firefox with ~15 extensions and 50+ tabs open. If I'm reading different things a lot, I have to restart Firefox to keep things snappy as the RAM maxes out.

And as it stands I might be picking up a GTX 1060 before I get more RAM. But I've gotta make it happen if I want to make the tab hording sustainable.

>>55711749
Ram is cheap though, could you not just upgrade to 8GB for like 30 dollars?

Midori crashes a lot. Light browsers may be fast on slow hardware, but I find the speed advantage basically disappears if you're using capable hardware.

>just buy a better hardware if performance is an issue
I hate that attitude so much, that I'm actually glad that Moore's law is officially dead. Maybe in a few years you faggots will be forced to stop with that shit.

>>55712350
>also witnessing a second 8-bit era when resources were limited and people had to show abilities is something to look for

>>55712350
Agreed. Modern hardware certainly is powerful, but that's no excuse for incompetence

>>55711680
The worst part is, there's even a dialog for it in the context menu. I just can't seem to get the last inch.

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Going to give midori another chance tonight after seeing this. Hopefully it's less crashy than it was last year...

So I've installed Midori on ubuntu 14.04, but it cannot connect to any page. "Midori can't find the page you're looking for" is all I get. My internet connection works fine, other browsers have no problems.
Help?

>>55713842
Have you put in your credit card number? You pay per DNS lookup.

>>55713885
Fuck off.

>>55713842
Never had that problem, you check settings in midori? Haven't used it in a while but I remember it had weird settings for your ip and web browsing and shit? Idk

>>55713885
>>55713912
Ok, I figured it out. For some fucking reason, 127.0.0.1 was set as proxy by default in midori

>>55708802
Right? That completely invalidates everything.

>>55709205
Does it have addons?

>>55714019
Yes

>>55707670
>buhuuu using RAM is baaaaad
>we need more unused RAM
seriously kill yourself you autistic faggot
Get outta my /g/

>>55714050
2/10

I'm testing it right now. Works fine so far, but is there something for it like Ghostery to turn off the analytics? If so, I'm golden.

>>55714030
Noice. I might have to check it out.

>>55714050
Well I don't need unused RAM but I do like to have a lot of RAM available for other programs.

All the people who tried it ITT, does it still crash often?

I tried it early last year and it crashed all the time in Fedora 22

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>>55707670
For your knowledge, the second tab is a 2h youtube video.

The argument that if you have enough memory to spare then it doesn't matter how much you clog it is invalid.

Usually the more memory a process use the more memory access operations have to be processed to handle that data, thus contributing to a performance loss. This obviously isn't always the case, e.g. when you're doing some sort of time-memory tradeoff, but clogging up memory for no particular reason isn't indifferent for the cpu cycles.

>tfw Midori crashes everytime
EVERYTIME I install on windows. Every single time. And I do it periodically from time to time when Midori threads come up on /g/.

When will they make Midori on windows atleast stable enough? If they don't have plans, then do remove the Windows build.

I've been testing a lot of lightweight browsers on a laptop in the Windows 7 boot recently. Midori seemed good, but it crashes frequently.

K-Meleon and Opera Mobile Emulator seem to be better options until it becomes more stable.

>>55714350
>cpu cycles
on second thought, I'm more worried about memory bus usage

>>55707670
well shilled

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>>55707670
52 tabs, 48 addons
stfu

>>55714177
After the fixed the segfaulting at start up in F24 it seems to be crashing less than in F23. It seems to crash less but it still isn't stable enough to be my only browser. It's a shame too because I can run a VM with the resources Firefox and Crhome use.

>>55714680
I don't mind when someone shills something of value

>>55707670
It's runs like Shit on Fedora buddy

>>55714734
That's good to know, thanks mate

>>55710897
Can you get ublock working with it?

Is this the lightweight browsers general?

>>55714144
Firefox if freeing as much resources as possible when you're running out of RAM

>>55707670
It crashes because webkitgtk is fucked. Try something similar to midori that doesn't use webkitgtk — e.g. qutebrowser.

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>browser thread
>it's all webkit/blink based browser
>gecko is irrelevant
>presto is dead
>trident is dead
I hope servo will be great, ms will work hard on edge to make it even better (it's quite good) and another company brings a new rendering engine. I really hope browser competition will return.

>>55707925
Having the ambition of being better than the worst is not an ambition, it's a thick consolation.

Unused ram is wasted ram
How do gaymer kids not understand this?

>>55707670
>Firefox
>Old and complex codebase (XUL, XPCOM, etc...)
>Engineered to work with the latest HTML5 standards

>Chrome
>Multi-process sandbox, for security
>Engineered to work with the latest HTML5 standards

>Midori
>Slaps a WebKitWebView onto a half-assed GTK gui
>Doesn't work on half of the Internet

>>55716436
>unused space is wasted space

>unused clothes is wasted clothes

>unused cpu is wasted cpu

>unused body movement is wasted body movement

>tfw I actually max out 100% of my eating capacity by eating every minute of my life
>tfw I actually max out 100% of my living space by living in a coffin
>tfw I actually max out my clothes by only having 1 set of cloth that covers my entire body

>>55715964
Mozilla fucked themselves forever with two actions:

1. Tying Gecko to the ball-and-chain XULRunner is
2. Killing Gecko embedding

Webkit/Blink is everywhere because it's super portable, it embeds like a dream, and because it's written in C and C++ it's not tied a kludgetastic runtime like XULRunner.

>>55707670
>x tabs open, y memory usage

this is the biggest horse shit metric for any browser.

You can just open 4 tabs of about:blank in one browser, then 4 tabs of this picture in the other:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights_by_Bosch_High_Resolution.jpg

and then jerk off to how one browser uses 1mbyte with 4 tabs open while the other uses 2 gigs.

>>55707670
>memedori
no thanks

>>55710690
What DE is that, anon?

>>55716436
Are you trolling? Because that ram can't be used for other things.

>>55707670
"Good memory management" is not equal to "Save as much RAM as possible". RAM is there to get used, and if you don't use it, it usually means that shit needs to get processed once again (i.e. saving the HTML page and images in the RAM instead of saving the fully rendered webpage will save you a lot of memory, but usually costs CPU time and will increase response times etc. It will also increase battery usage). There is always a trade-off between CPU usage and RAM usage.

Shitty memory management is
>Putting as little as possible into the RAM and recalculating every little thing that is needed over and over
>Putting lots of useless shit into the RAM, leaky memory etc.

Good memory mangement is
>Smartly only put stuff into the memory that you expect to need again at some point.

Perfect memory management is
>Dynamically put as much useful stuff into the RAM as availability allows. Maybe compress the RAM if needed. Empty RAM is useless, period.

So stop measuring the quality of a program by its RAM usage only. It's pretty easy to write programs that use very little RAM, it's fucking hard to write programs that take best advantage of the RAM that's available.

>>55719692
you cunt it literally has the logo on it

>>55719908
It depends on the application. If you want your application to make use of all the system resources like a game or editing software, it's logical to use RAM as cache. Applications like web browsers should be very conservative on using system resources. I don't want my file manager to cache all thumbnails in memory just so it can show them faster.

>>55719908
Given the functionality of websites vs. desktop programs, the memory consumption of web browsers is hard to accept. It's a hallmark of a system being used for things it shouldn't be used for.

If browser tabs took memory representational of the content and function of websites, an exceptionally heavy tab might take 100MB. Instead, the *bare minimum* consumed for loading even a 500K HTML file (at least in Chrome) is somewhere around 250MB. That's fucking stupid.

>>55711584
>Min
>"Min is written entirely with CSS and JavaScript using Electron"
>Electron
>fast
I don't believe this. Every single application made with election I've tried has been slow as balls (Atom, Discord, Skype, VSCode)

>>55719908
>programs that take best advantage of the RAM that's available.

i.e., acting like they're the only program on the entire system. App-itis.

>>55720566
>file manager
>thumbnails
savage

I don't care about RAM usage. I care about power consumption. I want to minimize power consumption. I don't need to give up hours of battery life to just browse text sites.

From some preliminary testing, Midori seems to improve on firefox a little.
Is there a way to tell for sure that I haven't thought of?