AMD ID DEAD, 1060 WIN ALL THE SHIT

don't post a wccftech link on here in the rest of your lifetime ever again

>>55650348

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Techpowerup
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X Review @ Techpowerup
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Hardwarecanucks
Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming Review @ Hardwarecanucks
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ HardOCP
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Phoronix
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Techspot
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Eurogamer
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X Review @ Eteknix
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Nordichardware
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Techgage
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Cowcotland
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Arstechnica
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Techradar
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ TweakTown
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ PCPerspective
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Expreview
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Computerbase
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Tomshardware
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ 4Gamer
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ PCWatch
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ HKEPC
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review @ Arabhardware

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>costs more

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>>55651213
>

>>55651213
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16814125879&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL071916&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL071916-_-EMC-071916-Index-_-DesktopGraphicsCards-_-14125879-S0B
They're actually selling for $250.

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>>55651213
>He cant pay 50 extra dollars to get a gpu that is better in every single way to AMDshit

Being as poor as an AMDrone must be difficult breh

>>55651213
Didn't take long for buttblasted amd loser to say something. Hope your shit company goes bankrupt sooner so we don't need to see you obnoxious fucking faggots around here.

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>Is actually more expensive
>Will be slower by the end of the year
>Will be gimped when the Pascal successor arrives
>6GB VRAM
>Inferior DX12 implemantation

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>>55650293
>30-40% slower in Doom
>10-20% slower in DX12
>costs more

nice outdated card, goyvidia

>>55651288
>Shit that doesnt matter
>Muh gimping!
fucking dank r/AyyMD meme right there my boy

Poor AMDrones cant afford a new GPU every year so they have to settle for frying their motherboards instead

Should I buy Asus GTX 1060 or MSI GTX 1060 and why?

MSI is 25-50$ cheaper in my country

>>55651255
Why did they not show the 4GB RX480?
Why did they not show any DX12/Vulkan games?

>>55651255
That chart only shows the 8gb rx480, not the 4gb, and that's the 3gb 1060 at the bottom. The 4gb 480 would be a better value.

>>55651288
>Will be gimped when the Pascal successor arrives
This in and of itself, is reason enough to avoid Nvidia

>>55650293
>gets utterly destroyed by 480 in Doom vulkan
>actually has worse performance than 980 in vulkan
Enjoy your paperweight in a year.

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>>55651310
I too upgrade my gpu every year so I know a lot about them and i an with you.

>>55651310
>"NICE MEME FAGGOT"
>Uses out of date exaggerated meme as retort
Wat

>>55651334
The 4GB model is being wholly ignored so it's pretty much a non factory anyway. I don't think anyone has actually even confirmed if they'll make a 4GB version yet.

>>55651213
>the honda civic is better that the porche 911 cause its cheaper

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>>55650293

NO SLI

I just pre ordered a Nitro+ for 249 UKucks based on the 1060 reviews and pricing.

There were 2 GTX 1060's for the same price on OCUK the Palit and Gainward which I would not touch. All the others were either too expensive or only pre orders. The gains for the GTX 1060 are marginal at best for certain games and lacking for others. Overall I feel the Nitro+ is the better buy.

>>55650293
how much is nvidia paying for you to shill in /g/, pajeet?

>>55651400
Saying Nvidia gimps is a meme when it outperforms AMD in every way that matters. Nobody wants Windows 10, nobody is a freetard.

Meanwhile AMD has fried motherboards due to being incompetent retards

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>>55651334
ITS THE 6GB...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/28.html

>>55651413
Why would you want to SLI a mid range card?
Oh right, special needs.

>a more expensive card performs better

WOW NO WAY

>>55651413
Wait, I'm confused. I thought we hated multi-GPU environments? Or do we only do that when it's the other guy?

>>55651419
Much as I'd like the Nitro I'm sick shit of waiting. If I order tonight I'll have a 1060 at my doorstep before the Nitro is even in stock anywhere.

>>55651443
>better
not really, that's the hilarious thing. just look at the guru3d review.

>>55651292
Does anyone know her name?

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>>55651213
NVIDIOTS CAN'T STUMP THIS, BTFO

>>55651438
If you can get a 'good' Nvidia partner 1060 for $249 it's a good buy. Go for it. This coming from an AMD fan.

Avoid shit brands and reference though.

>>55651456
We do currently but as DX12 and Vulkan take hold we can add another GPU later for a boost in performance. This is another reason I chose the Nitro+ over the 1060. I can pop another Nitro+ or whatever in later if I need to. Sure you can mix and match green andd red cards in mGPU in DX12 and Vulkan but I would rather not since I can still CF those titles that support it.

>>55650293
I'm still hoping AMD will lower its price to MSRP standards even the 3rd party ones or even lower by September, currently it looks bad.

I really want to buy a 3rd party AMD so I can play them CEMU and RPCS3, which I heard is better with AMD due to vulkan.

And Vulkan supported games looks good. Unreal Engine 4 also use Vulkan so that's a lot of upcoming games outside of Dota 2 and Doom

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Seems like the 1050 will be an actual direct competitor in the same price point.

>>55651622
These benchmarks are bullshit and you know it. They are heavily undercutting every single card in there.

>>55651493
Just look up Ellen Baker ahegao cosplay

>Higher price.
>Worse DX12 Performance.
>Gonna get gimped a year later or less.
Yeah, no.

>founders edition $299
Good look finding one for less than that, third party will be even more expensive pike $350 probably. Sure prices are always high at first, (see amd) but nviduas price issue is not going to be dixed any time soon aince their shady pricing.

Is it worth jumping to anything in this generation if I fell for the 970 meme?

>>55651817
I'm asking myself the same question

480 would be a minor upgrade but I could just stick the 970 in another PC and not have to deal with shitty Nvidia blob drivers or FPS dips in high vram usage games.

>>55651261
>out of stock
Nvidia has sold some couple thousand 1080s and 1070s combined. Don't think they'll sell any quantity of 1060s soon. It's another paper launch.

Meanwhile AMD still has some 80.000 480s on backorder.

>>55651817
I bought a 970 last year. I have no reason to upgrade given that I run a 60Hz 1080p monitor. I'm waiting for Vega and a 1440p fressync monitor with high refresh that isn't shit.

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>>55651622
>the 1060 beats the 480 in Ashes
Oh my god my sides.

>>55651276
>better
Yeah, better at rendering old shit.

Here's what happens when you throw an up-to-date API at them.
>>>55650111

>>55651817
Prolly not. 1170 will probably have HBM2. Huge bump in performance.

>>55651843
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/
The 1070 is easy to find in stock. The 1080's production is bottlenecked by GDDR5X memory, which the 1060 doesn't use. The 1060 also uses a smaller chip than the 1070, so yields will be better.

>>55650293
>>faster than 480
That card is 6 years old, what did you expect?
>>less hot
I mean that's a given, right?

>>55651880
I think the 1060's die is even smaller than Polaris.

>>55651430
Hundreds of fried cards is worse from "superior" drivers

You gotta be retarded if you think nvidia doesnt gimp older cards

>>55651817
Nah this gen is a huge rip off.

970 was out 2 years ago. 1060/480 are now out at the same price with the same performance.

Hopefully the 1170 will be back in the $300-350 range

>>55651901
The die is slightly bigger than Polaris (14nm vs 16nm), but idk about the actual chip size.

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Can someone remind me why ASUS gpus are trash?

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>>55651908
I just bought a 390 because it was cheaper than any 480 (reference) or 1060 non reference.

Did I do good /g/?

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>>55651310
>gimping
>memes
>there's nothing wrong with a 780ti getting BTFO by a 290 or 970

Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>55651880
>Every card in stock is 100$ over MSRP

The cards are just priced so high that they collect dust on the shelves, let's not kid ourselves there.

>>55651932
If you pay for Nvidia ASUS they are good.

Sadly for AMD they just Ctrl-C Ctrl-V the same design as Nvidia, which is not always perfect.

>>55651928
he said die size not lithography

polaris has a smaller die but larger transistors

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>>55651943
>BTFO by a 290
>GTX 780TI - 69 fps
>R9 290 - 68 fps
>BTFO

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>mfw AMD has nothing going their way
>mfw AMD disappointed me again
Why can't Pajeet get something right for once?

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>>55652064
Pajeet only recently took control AMD/Ati
his plan is to drive the gpu division to shit so Intel can buy them out

>>55651467
I'm not in a hurry so not a problem. But yeah if you need something right now then I understand. It's unfortunate AMD decided not to release partner cards at launch. Now they are stuck filling back orders on the fucking reference card and partners got fucked over.

>>55652092
Oh and those back ordered reference cards will probably now end up either cancelled or sit on the shelves due to the 1060. AMD makes some bad marketing decisions even when their hardware is good.

>>55652080
SHIT! LOOK OUT! HE'S GOT A BOMB!

>>55652148
QUICK, TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE IT BLOWS!!

The 480 is cheaper and better in modern (DX12/Vulkan) games. If you plan on using a new 1060 for less than a year, sure, you can pay that premium for a minor bump in DX11 performance. Otherwise the 480 wins.

>>55651255
Watch those AMD subhumans defending their subhuman product by saying 4Gb is cheaper even though they constantly bash 3-4gb vram products of Nvidia. Gas them all mods.

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>>55651941
I dont think so

>>55652224
>3-4gb
You mean 3.5?

>>55652254
Sup AMD subhuman.

>>55652264
but did you mean 3.5?

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So now that AMD lost, can anyone explain to me why AMD didn't start selling their cards much earlier?
They already presented working cards in january.

>>55652286
Actually I meant the 3gb 1060 gtx shitposting and the denial of your subhuman Pajeet race when you guys found out 3gb 1060 gtx doesn't even exist.

>>55652304
someone is a real fanboy fulltime

>>55652241
I dont care about power comp, I live next to a Nuclear Facility. Prices are extremly cheap

>>55652288
AMD were dicks about selling their reference card instead of launching partner cards on same day. Stupid decision. Now they have to fill back orders and partner cards are delayed.

>>55652326
Someone is a poor subhuman full time.

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>>55651411

>>55652288
how could we know? we dont know details
I think that they rushed to get to be ahead of gtx1060
imagine the reviews if rx480 would come after the gtx1060 kek

>>55652334
you might think so, and for example rx480 vs 1060 it would not matter
50W difference translates to $10 annually if you game every single day for 6 hours
but boy, with the 100-160W difference... you will feel it

>>55652344
is it you? go home pajeet you drunk

>>55651943
There is nothing wrong with that.

>>55652371
Back to your AMD shed Pajeet.

>>55652381
pajeet go learn how to use toilet

>>55651391
post the friendship restored image

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>>55651439
>Why would you want to SLI a mid range card?
>Oh right, special needs.

Because i can buy a mid range card in 2016, and than buy a second handed one in 2018, for 100 dollars, on ebay, and put that in sli.

Why do you think they disabled SLI on the 1060? Because people would not use it, or because people WOULD use it? Where is your logic?

I'm not asking for a triple or quaduple SLI card, I'm asking for a fucking SLI card.

I will never ever buy a 1060 if i can't put 2 in pair.

>>55652544
did you ever in your life sli or cfx?

>>55652544
>Because i can buy a mid range card in 2016, and than buy a second handed one in 2018, for 100 dollars, on ebay, and put that in sli.
This is a dumb idea most of the time. Even 2 year old graphics cards tend to be overpriced as fuck on ebay, and even so you can probably buy a GTX 1060 equivalent of the 2 years in the future day and get better performance than SLI 1060s with whatever additional features and architectural refinements are a big deal at the time.
I remember I got a GTX 460 a long time ago, the only time I wanted to upgrade it to SLI was when I first got it because it was weak. After that I just wanted a new card because it was so loud compared to new and better designs.

I don't think SLI on these cards is relevant to anyone but a handful of users' "what if fantasies". Not that I'd blame you for not buying the card for that reason. I wouldn't buy it for different reasons myself.

>>55652544
>multi-gpu
>multi-gpu mid range card

stop

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>>55651622
>Nvidia's own """""benchmarks"""""

>480 8gb
>1000 kebab
>1060
>1450 kebab money

480 it is for me

>>55650293
Better performance per price. This may be the greatest videocard of all time.

>>55651332
> why did they not show teh 4GB RX480

There are multiple versions of the graph.

There are no DX 12/Vulkan games. There's like 5.

>>55651288
Nvidia uses gameworks to gimp their older cards not drivers. Across drivers updates, performance stays the same or increases. AMD cards get gimped too. You don't have to buy the 6GB VRAM option. It outperforms the 8GB VRAM 480 and has better price per performance.

>>55651334
Both have the same price per performance depending on the scenario. Also, you have to take into account OC room.

>>55651908
Objective information shows they don't. There are thousands of games run on old hardware which shows driver updates. Overall a slight increase in performance.

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>>55652358

I'm just hoping that the AIB vendors get their heads out of their asses and price their shit to compete with the 1060 asap.

I just want a 240 dollar card with a DVI plug. I should've gotten a 144hz display with a fucking displayport.

>>55650293
>7% faster than RX480 4gig
>founders edition 50% more expensive
>cheapest version 25% more expensive

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>>55652544
Don't fall the SLI meme. Unless DX12 does something to enable SLI for literally everything with 60-80% scaling, then don't ever bother. DX12 isn't even used that much right now anyway.

Further the 1060 supports a new kind of SLI that only works via DX12 if developers enable it. So if you really were so retarded to do SLI and a dev supported it, it would work.

DO

NOT

SLI / CF

>>55650293
>NVIDIA
>Directx 12
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>55653509
The bad thing is that most of the games are still dx11 and when your average fag looks at reviews and sees that rx 480 is destroyed by gtx 1060 it's not a good thing.

>>55653533
Welcome to new technology. It always takes time for widespread implementation. DX12 might be omnipresent in a year or two, but right now it is not.

>>55653580
Yes and most of the people look what it can do now not in 2-3 years in future.

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>>55651411
AMD and Nvidia both have their sportscars, buying a good car for cheaper doesnt make it "for poorfags"

>>55653131
you mean 16 dx12 games and 3 vulcan one of which is nvidia game and they are getting raped?
sure lol
lets all pretend tpu bench is serious only with gameworks games kek

>>55652202
The price difference is next to nothing if you compare the 480 8gb with the 1060.
The RX 480 gets on average 5% better framerate than the GTX 1060, the exceptions are Hitman where AMD dominates and Rise of the Tomb Raider where nVidia wins.
In DX11 the GTX 1060 is about 10% above the 480. Is all about what games you play more.

>>55651213
you're probably a poor fucker living off their parents and can't spend an extra few dollars because you're nothing but a frugal jew
>kek

>>55653533

>The bad thing is that most of the games are still dx11

No, most games are DX9.

>>55653662
I don't think that the games you play matter that much these days. Either a 1060 or RX 480 will give you the performance needed to play ANY game at decent graphical settings.

Like whether you get 4 more FPS than one or the other really doesn't matter that much.

>>55653662
actually in more detail
on dx12/vulcan amd is a lot faster 20-40% (40 being doom as of hardocp)
on pure dx12 games its from 3 to 19-20%
on non gameworks games 480 is ahead some times on 1080p and as resolution goes up its ahead all the time
on gameworks games is behind from 10 to 30% (30 being gtav)
and i suppose this is stock to stock cause on 1900+mhz is on sapphire nitro level of 1350mhz and obviously will be a lot slower with the 1400+ cards

>>55650293
>faster than 480
Sure notice you left out price btw.

>lower power draw
Why should i care
>better overclocking
Ehhh, nvidea are fuckfaces with voltage though, but for casual consumers sure
>better perf per wat
Why should i care?
>less hot
Why should i care? (distance from tjmax matrers not temp, and if it's safe, it's safe)
>DX12 and asynchronous compute engine
Wow almost as good as amd here!
>costumes are available at launch
Wut?
>http://www.guru3d.com/
>http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-review-launch/
>https://www.techpowerup.com/
Can you get any shittier sources?

All and all its a wash imo

Does the 1070 also have async and dx12?

>>55653744
depends what you mean with async

what they did for time spy or what dx12/vulcan actually dictates as async?

>>55653710
AMD fag sure is mad.

>>55653778
idk
>this is how the average consumer responds

>>55653821
games use the paraller nature of dx12/vulcan
what nvidia is sponsoring on time spy is a single render path
now there is a problem with that bench
while on every single dx12 game you can see regression on pascal and even bigger on maxwell on time spy you dont see it mainly because the async usage for nvidia cards is virtually non existent
tl dr version
no

How soon should I expect to get my 1060 I have on back order? Got the MSI one.

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>>55652544
>multi-card
>consumer
>any day of the week
>any week of the month
>any month of the year
>any year of the decade
>any decade of the century
>any century of the millennium
pls
even richfags would do well not to fall for this scam again other than to show off their rigs (even then, they might just remove the excess gpus for a smoother experience when they're not showing off)

>>55653880
on amazon the msi one is on hold till august 19

>>55652028
you do know you just stated the 780 ti matches a r9 290. thats really btfo considering the 780 ti competed with the 290x. its performance dropped one whole tier.

let alone ignore the fact the entire keplar series gets defeated by a 380 in doom vulkan.

nvidia REALLY did forget about keplar.

>>55653645
wew m8 quite the list you got here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support

>>55653807
I use a 780. Probably gonna buy a 1080. Go be a fanboy somewhere else

>>55651213
>the better product costs more
What a surprise

>>55653744
Kinda sorta. It's better than last gen, but not great yet.

>>55653934
im sorry care to list all the big dx11 games that are coming on 2016?
what you mean only 4? wew lad quite the big list for an already obsolete api

honestly i can't see how can amdtards recover from this

>>55650293
It still loses in ashes and DOOM full an though

Only 10% faster on average. No sli. G-sync still expensive as fuck

Within a year the 480 will outpace it just like what happened with the 7950 V 780ti and stock fury X V 980ti

>>55653645
There is only one released game with full Vulcan support and that is doom. And around 2 games with good dx12 support. All other games is a shit job and actually decrease fps on the new apis.

>>55653997
actually its 2 but ok

also lol if you take gow and rotr before patch 7 every single dx12 is perfoming as intended
and if we take patch 7 of rotr into this well then its only gow out...

also no only one game actually was decreasing perf and that was hitman

>>55653936
>I use a 780
no wonder you're mad

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>>55651292
Ayy lmao

>>55650293
>slightly better than RX 480
>AMD Cards always perform better over time
>nvidia cards will get gimped over time to make the newest generation look better

>>55653990
But fury x isn't even near 980ti.

>both AMD and NVIDIA released the greatest perf/dollar graphics cards they have done in many years
>idiots keep arguing instead of just enjoying them

>>55654127
>both AMD and NVIDIA released the greatest perf/dollar graphics cards they have done in many years
no

>once again AMD is left waiting for the future to get their better performance

I remember this time last year the 970 was getting dethroned and AMD fags were super excited because their cards were going to get even better in the near future.

It never happened.

>>55650293
Nvidia still has the nvlddmkm / TDR crashes that's inherent to the Nvidia architecture and that has no solution.

Personally I'll never go back to Nvidia for this reason alone. I'll trade some less good performance for stability.

>>55654089
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/2f2bbf4c-a58b-4c88-a817-71d8c18e6d51/match-details/acd068cb-5e64-4763-bf12-3b2ca3acc4e4

>>55654076
At what?
It was a good value imho.
Disliked having to flash bios just for moderate overclocking but i can't complain.

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>>55654127
these faggots will argue about anything

test

>>55654139
and here we are on 2016 and cards from 2011 still being relevant as fuck today

meanwhile you have to upgrade each year on nvidia to keep up with an ancient card..

>GPU manufacturer A makes a mkd range card at what they guesstimate this gens midrange price/performance should be.
>GPU manufacturer B looks at the card and adjusts the price of their own card accordingly, either charging slightly more or less based on differences in performance so that both are at about equal value.
>retarded /g/pu fanboys still feel the need to have a catfight over it. Despite this having always been the case
The high end is really the only place you kiddies can justify fighting . Where shit like AMD not being able to show up this year. Or Fury X being able to slay the Titan X due to insane pricing/margins (though yes Nvidea saved face and beat amd to the punch with a better card at a much more reasonable price) etc.
But the 1060 is $50 more for being a $50 better card. As has always been the case for every midrange gpu since it has only been 2 companies. There is no room to fuck around in this space.

>techpowerup includes a "GTX 1060 at $249" price/performance figure
>$249
>a price point that will literally never exist since Nvidia themselves charge more than that for the reference model

>lower details from ultra/hyper/meme to very high
>lose 3% graphics (some shitty postprocess effects and out of place particles), gain 50% performance
>lower details from very high to high
>lose 3% graphics(some shitty postprocess effects and out of place particles), gain 50% performance

why are people paying for new GPUs exactly?

last time I did a comparison test on /g/ noone of you couldnt tell a difference between medium and ultra screenshots from last years AAA games.

>>55654298

im from a europoor land and GTX1060 is cheaper everywhere in my country than RX480

1060 is barely on par, more expensive, not future proof

480 won

deal with it nvidiots

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>>55654406

>>55654384
Gernany here, same shit

Poo in the loo can go and fuck themself

You're forgetting Nvidia has horrible hardware prone to going bad and burning out. AMD normally runs for years upon years without problems.

>>55654384
I'm in europoor and I only see reference RX 480 available. No sight of nonreference or GTX1060 anywhere

>>55654437
AMD runs for years with the problems present at day 1.

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>>55650293
>mfw this feels like the 770 vs 7970 battleground

Déjà vu all over again.

>>55651413
It's a new 750ti, think of it that way. SLI would just be wasted power.

>>55654413
>bait
that's how it is. the 1060 is trash.

>less vram
>50 bucks more
>only marginally better at running dated games
>loses in every dx12/vulkan title except one
>will see no driver improvements over its lifespan unlike the 480

and what do you get for the extra money? a card that runs 1db quieter and saves you 2 bucks per year?

there is no reason to get a 1060. it's DOA.

I bought a 980ti for 300, should I swap it out for a 1070 for 460?

>>55654527
nah you're set for a while with that one

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>>55654522

>lmao poorfags
>shilling a 250$ card
really shows how poorfags have to shill this bad to justify them spending their lifes saving on a shit tier card.

>>55654558
yep, you're dry

you've lost, just like your cherished company

you'll get over it

>>55654601
Here is (you)r reply m80.

>>55651332
>>55651334
All RX480s are 8GB.

>>55654541
I am still waiting on shipping for the 980 ti, so I can still swap if there's that big of a performance difference between it and the 1070. Should I still stick with the 980ti?

Basically, RX 480 runs better on future games due to DX12 and Vulkan, while the GTX 1060 runs faster on current and older games. AMD also now supports Freesync, even on HDMI. This alone benefits most gamers because no one wants to spend >100 dollars extra for a G-Sync monitor. Lastly, the RX 480 supports CrossFire, while the 1060 doesn't which is really a turn off.

>>55652064
i feel bad about everyone that just looks at cherry picked benchmarks instead of finding out the truth about just how inferior nvidia products are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVb25eomcrI
i guess blurred textures, gimped vram, useless features like x64 tesselation in games really makes nvidia "superior".

>>55654643
they cant even use tessellation as a weapon now lol

>>55654461
But that's just wrong.

>>55654631
I don't know why you'd ask me when you've got months of review articles to peruse

>>55654638
the 1060 has a marginal advantage in older APIs, and not in all games. that advantage also grows slimmer the higher your resolution gets and basically disappears at 4k. I base these allegations on the guru3d reviews.

as it stands though, the 480 is a better value. especially if you intend to keep it for 3 years. the 1060 looks okay-ish for a card that's 50 bucks more expensive but it will slowly be eclipsed over the years as AMGDPU improves (and lands on Windows) and more DX12/Vulkan titles are released.

seriously, the 1060 is crap. once the dust settles we'll see it for what it is.

>>55654696
dont be afraid say it
its just another 960 only this time it doesnt have dx11 to compete

>>55654719
I'm trying to be impartial, even if I'm slightly biased in favor of AMD for ethical reasons, but to me the 480 is just more attractive

I will admit that much of its appeal leans on speculation though

>muh amd is better on hypothetical future games

Let's be real here: if you are buying a midrange card, you are going to be playing a whole lot of old games.

Does anyone know what it scores on steamvr compared to the 480?

>>55654762
Nobody here plays AAA games that may be worth the expensive cards.

I bet nobody here has even played Rise of the Tomb Raider.

>>55654762
if you're in that price range, you're most likely playing new titles at 1080p as they come out. do keep in mind those are mid end, now low end.

>hypothetical future games
the industry will switch to the new APIs and that's a certainty. the only uncertain thing is when those games will start rolling out, and for how much of the 480's lifespan you'll get to benefit from that advantage.

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>all this amdrone asshurt and damage control

it's fucking glorious. based nvidia putting amd in the ground once again.

>>55654801
>buy GTX 980
>play rimworld, prison architect and xenonauts

Money well spent.

>>55654822
y'all faggots have provided nothing but shitty memes and projection all day

accept your defeat

>>55654806
Not really. Any budget gamer is not gonna spring for the new titles as they come out, they are going to get only on sale.

The reality is that anyone springing for a card like this will spend their first couple years buying old games during steam sales and maybe a couple new titles. The 480 is a card that aims for the distant future amidst people that live day to day.

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1060 is both a better value and gains a lot from an OC. looks like it's what AMD hoped the 480 would be.

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>>55654807
>Hi guise, here's our new 229 $$ card.
>Did you like our new 299 $$ card?
>It performs like a 999 $$ card and you can have it now for just 399 $$

>>55651456
I didn't know/g/ was one person.

>>55654864
using tpu as a reliable source is as me claiming that i banged kate upton..
literally benched 1060 only on gameworks games and then goes and release such a table
lel

>>55654822
>n/v/idiots go on about how the 1060 is going to trounce the 480 in DX12 as well as DX11
>People who aren't n/v/idiots expect the 1060 to be faster than the reference 480 in DX11, but slower in DX12
>Turns out that this is exactly what happened
>Non-reference cards that fix the major flaws in the 480 will be launching literally in the coming weeks
Enjoy that lead in DX11, but if the reference 480 OCs are anything to go by, it's going to be pretty much even in DX11 as well as soon as the aftermarket 480's launch

>>55654849
>defeat

so because the 1060 wins in 19/20 games it's a defeat? ok m8.

you have to live a very sad and pathetic life to drop to levels as low as calling the 1060 a defeat when it's obejectively the best price/perf card right now and is considerably better than the nearest amd competitor. amd tried but failed, deal with it.

Did I make a mistake by backordering a 1060? Seems like it's gonna do 1080p just fine for several years.

>>55654880

battlefield 3 is an AMD sponsored game.

>>55654884
>but slower in DX12
But it isn't, go look at reviews.

>>55654901
holy shit
battlefied 3
a game of 2013 who literally only zero players are playing
is being benched on 2016
just as wow
and crysis 3
and wotanks
kek

>>55654643
So what causes this
A) shitty memory
B) gimping texture loading to increase "muh framerate" for benchmarks
What will it be

>>55654895
It's better price performance in DX11, but not in DX12 and with non-reference 480s that fix the flaws in the reference card launching in the coming weeks, it's not going to hold onto that for very long.

Enjoy your few weeks of being total value king, but non-reference 480s are going to be equal performance in DX11 and even better performance in DX12.

>>55654858
>Any budget gamer is not gonna spring for the new titles as they come out, they are going to get only on sale.

Doom and TW3 were just on sale. Those games will give GPUs a run for their money.

It's like you're trying to convince yourself that Nvidia sucking at async isn't so bad.

>b-but I've ran a market study and all...

>>55654864
do you have system shock 2 benchmarks as well? warcraft 3 maybe?

>>55654895
>so because the 1060 wins in 19/20 games it's a defeat? ok m8.
[citation needed]
>b-but wccftech review said so
you are a lemming, end of the line. I'm actually glad you're getting robbed blind

guru3d and even hardOCP show just how bad the 1060 sucks.

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1060s start at €329 in Europe.
€225 msrp my ass.

>>55654956
But they don't. At this point both the 480 and 1060 run them at 60 fps no problems.

>>55654903
yeah, tomb raider. congrats. I give it two weeks before a driver update puts AMD in the lead for that game too, like every other dx12 or vulkan title out there.

stop deluding yourself you fanboy shit

>>55654903
>Tomb Raider
>A good benchmark when it performs the same under DX11 and 12
The 480 beats the 1060 in Hitman, AotS and Doom showing that it's better at DX12. As for that new Futuremark bench, it's already been proven to be a really shitty implementation made with Pascal in mind with no AMD specific implementation.

>>55654983
but its already in the lead.. dont forget most of the reviewers actually benched 480 with 16.6.2.........

>Mid range cards run all games at 1080p fine
>wahh why would you want async compute it's not like you need it right now
you don't need anything stronger than a 200$ card either if you're still on 1080p so something that has async compute and will run future more demanding games is obviously not a bad thing.

>>55655002

looks like AMD is a stutterfest in vulkan/dx12.

>>55654987
It's no fair to show vulkan anon.
Only RotTR and Witcher 3 are valid results.
And 3dmark Time spy.

>>55655015
>Consistently higher FPS
>Average of 114 FPS (compared to 87)
>"stutterfest"
Well meme'd...

>>55655015
this is the fps moron not frame pacing

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>>55655015

>>55654950
do you understand how stupid you sound right now?

1.non reference 480 will either be the same price as current 1060 non reference at $249 or even more upto the advertised $300 price point

2.reference vs reference the 1060 comes out ahead by big margins in a lot of games (source: tpu)

3.non reference vs non reference (ie factory overclocks) will still make the 1060 pull ahead because of its overclocking headroom

reference 1060 > reference 480
factory oc 480 = reference 1060
factory oc 1060 > factory oc 480

deal with it

>>55654976
i literally just googled this and there are 1060's going for £229. about the same price as a 8gb 480 on amazon or a measly £10 more than the 480 on sale on another site. it's insane value for money given the performance.

>>55655076
480 sli > GTX1060 sli

>>55655076
249

keep on dreaming.
Nvidia says that a card costs 250 bux and has the nerve to sell it on THEIR site for 350 bux.

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wtf mods you stupid fucking inbred nigger cucks, is swearing not allowed on 4chan anymore?
fuck off back to moderating plebbit why the fuck was this deleted

>>55655095
>£

Well, you are not Europe.

>>55655113
SLIDE the sli

>>55655076
reference 1060 > reference 480
factory oc 480 = reference 1060

kek that is some stupid quote lol

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>>55650293
>costumes
what

>>55655113
>pairing low-end GPUs
>ever

Jesus fucking Christ, I know the poor can make stupid choices regarding money but this here is pants-on-head retarded.

Both the 1060 and the RX480 go for $350 minimum right now due to lack of availability.

1060 is 20% better, 15% worse at most depending on game, so in reality almost equal to the RX480.

I don't think anyone has been beaten here, other than the fact that AMD isn't competing on the high-end card market.

>>55655116
>>55650298

>>55655076
reference 1080/1070 offer same performance as aftermarket 1080/1070

So uhh... yeah

Meanwhile aftermarket OC >reference OC on RX480

So yeah.

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>>55651332
>Showing obsolete shit nobody is actually gonna get
>Showing thing that doesn't actually exist

>>55655157
cute, now try place an order and also check nowinstock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwlPmLRpiU

>>55655060
Frame pacing is shown by frame rate fluctuation if sampling rate is high enough.

Frame rate is literally a product of how long a frame takes to produce. Eg if a frame takes 16.6ms to produce your frame rate is 60 FPS. If the time to produce each frame fluctuates a lot, it's shown as a frame rate that fluctuates a lot. Depends on sampling frequency, typically people don't sample as much as those guys who provide those graphs.

Not to imply that this shows stuttering. As long as it doesn't take over 16.6ms to render any single frame you'll be getting solid 60 fps.

>>55655166
>theres no dx12/vulkan games
>its only an alpha
>its only a beta
>its only one game
>its only some game
>nvidia drivers will fix it
>AMD created dx12 and vulkan to punish nvidia users
>DX12 and Vulkan are shit anyway, who cares

>>55655132
sorry you're right. an oc 480 is actually slower than the stock 1060 in an amd sponsored game too.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/29.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/27.html

>>55655148
With async computing they give 100% performance increase. So you can stack up 4x rs470 and get a GTX Titan killer.

Oh, wait. I forgot nvidia doesn't have async or any of the modern technologies for that matter.

>>55650293
>DX12
>Windows
no, if im using a good GFX card it isnt wasted on a shit OS

>>55655076
>Reference card has issues with both power and cooling
>Non-reference cards aren't just factory OC'd they fix the power and cooling issues
>Nvidia launching with a non-bungled reference card which is still runs at roughly the same temperature as AMDs bungled reference 480
Non-reference 480s are obviously going to get a much bigger boost than non-reference 1060s. Non-reference 1060s are obviously going to need water cooling or something to match the cooling improvement between the reference 480 and the non-reference cards coming out soon.

Price wise they're obviously going to be bumped up to reference 1060 money, but the fixes are going to bring them to equal performance in DX11 and just widen the gap in DX12 and Vulkan.

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>>55650293

>>55655208
>claims AMD sponsor
>doesn't use mantle build for benchmark

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>>55655199
>1060
>nowinstock

>>55655208
still using bf3 as a relevant game

kek

>>55655220
Gotta love all those high fidelity games on linux, oh wait.

>>55655226
The reference 1060 doesn't run at the same temperature as reference 480. It's about 10C lower and doesn't thermal throttle nearly as much. Which is one of the reasons why it's better in some benchmarks. If the 480 didn't have a shit cooler it'd probably beat 1060 in DX11 benchmarks.

>>55651213
>not paying more for a better product

>>55655208
>Battlefield 3
>In 2016
Did you read any of the text or did you just link to that completely without reading anything except the bars?

I am going to get a card so I can put my 280x and xfire in an old AMD build with a severe CPU bottleneck!

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>>55655207
>Getting this mad over an objective price/performance chart because it doesn't throw facts away in order to champion "other side"
Brand loyalists like you are only degrading the quality of this board. If you want to shitpost this badly go over to >>>/v/.

>>55655253
>he doesn't understand consistency across OC benchmarks

amdrones, everyone.

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What the fuck is worng with AMD???

>>55651941
Get a 1080

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is there a feud going on at Hocp?
Is kyle safe? Did they restrain and lock him in the janitor's room while they were writing this review?

>>55655287
see >>55655297

neck yourself buddy

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>>55655270
Under idle it runs about 2C hotter and under load about 2C colder than the reference 480. It DOES run at about the same temperatures as the reference 480.

>>55651932
they're made for retards who don't know any better, especially retards who actually buy amd

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>$250 card only 18% slower from last year's $650 flagships
>not even overclocked

why is this allowed and when is amd filing for bankruptcy

>>55655297
>>55655331
>HAY GUISE!!! LETS USE THIS GAME FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT NOBODY PLAYS ANYMORE TO SHOW HOW WELL NVIDIA HARDWARE OCS DESPITE IT NOT BEING REFLECTIVE OF ANYTHING RECENT OR GAMES THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY ANYMORE!!!1
N/v/idiots everyone...

>>55655302
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
>(((DX12)))
there's your answer

>>55655368
Its not a coincidence.

>>55654864
LITERALLY 980 TI PERFORMANCE FOR 250

IT'S WHAT AMDFAGS JOKINGLY HYPED THE 480 TO BE

>>55655353
>when is amd filing for bankruptcy

You don't want that. Samsung has been eyeing AMD for a long long time.
If the buy AMD, with Samsung budgets, factories and markets intel and nvidia would be dead within a year.

>>55655410
Well in DX12 and Vulkan (with good implementations) the 480 is as fast if not faster. However they did bungle the reference card in terms of power and cooling so the non-reference cards could end up being what the more rabid AMDrones thought it would be in DX11 as well.

>>55655362
>what is a consistent comparison
>what is using the same game to benchmark oc percentages and noting down correlations between oc percentage and performance increase in said game

trust an amdrone to find this too hard to comprehend.

>>55655333
Everyone else is getting different results. Either way the cooler on the 480 reference is objectively shit. It's just a stupid slab of aluminium. No heatpipes, no nothing. AND it's tiny. The cooler from the 480 is a better fit for a card like the 1060. It's shit but with 120W TDP you can live with it.

>>55655353
http://seekingalpha.com/news/3193401-nvidia-wells-downgrades-underperform-due-renewed-competition-amd-intel

>>55651310
You are calling people poor when you're in a thread about low budget cards? Nvidiots, everyone

>>55650293
DELETE THIS.

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>>55655215
MICRO STUTTERING

POWER DRAW

NOISE

NON-STACKING VRAM

COST

Pants-on-head retarded.

>>55655550
>NON-STACKING VRAM
It stacks in DX12 crossfire.

>MICRO STUTTERING
Doesn't happen in async.

>COST

$149*4=$596. For 18 tflops.

Enjoy your planned obsolescence, whole I will be buying another rx470 once my games stop running on ultras.

Nvidia has 81% market share on discrete gpus. Looks like it is going to go up again. Every Nvidia bought is nail in AMDs coffin and even better; killing these fucking braindead amdrones. Most of the upcoming games on pc will be optimised for Nvidia. There is maybe a handful of dx12 titles coming up in 2017, by the time they are there AMDs market share is less than 10% hopefully.

>>55655611
You will enjoy forever obsolesence soon enough. Dumb amdrone

>>55655657
Baiting GPU fanboys must be the easiest shit ever. Jesus Christ, everyone is so stupid, everyone, especially me.

>>55655657
>games on pc
Here's your problem. Most games are just console ports. And all consoles run Radeons. Games are optimized for Radeons by default.

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>>55655676
I don't even care about baiting I just wish AMD goes bankrupt soon. Their fanbase is most obnoxious easily beating Applefags and freetards.

>>55655657
i buy 5-6 nvidia gpu's at a time anyway due to the fact i know a guy in retail who can sell them to me for warehouse batch prices with massive cost reductions. i buy a bunch and sell them on to friends and others at cheaper prices than retail stores but still make a decent profit. i swear, i've managed to change like 200 people from amd to nvidia.

>>55655611
Crossfire is a DX11 thing. DX12 has multi adapter bullshit that is different from crossfire/SLI. I think it's also universally without a SLI/Crossfire bridge, assuming AMD even uses CFX bridges anymore.

>>55655712
-t nvidiafag

kek

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>>55655611
>It stacks in DX12 crossfire.
Not a single game in the market currently has been programmed to support VRAM stacking.
And no indication that it will get implemented anytime soon.

>Doesn't happen in async.
proof

>$149*4=$596. For 18 tflops.
What does tflops have anything to do with -gaming- performance ? It's like the console bit war all over again.

>RX 470
Oh you're just a drone.

>>55655712
Every time I feel like AMD offers the best product for what I need, I remember what their fanbase is like and any desire to buy it goes out the window.

So every time nvidia is losing in performance, I have to wait until they release a card that beats AMD.

>>55655747
>And no indication that it will get implemented anytime soon.
So you are planning to buy a new card every time something new comes around? My video cards last me 4 to 5 years.

>proof
That's what async was made for, idiot.

>Oh you're just a drone.
I'm jewish, not a retarded goy who wastes his money on shiny shit instead of investing it.

threadly reminder than the 1060 supports multi gpu in dx12. they finally got rid of the sli bridge shit.

>>55655820
Everything supports that.

>>55655712
>Their fanbase is most obnoxious easily beating Applefags and freetards.
>implying Nvidia fanbase isn't just Applefags mixed in with the worse videogamefags

Reminder, AMDfanboys are same as berniecucks.

Nvidia users are true master race. Like the Trump supporters. Nvidia will make PC gaming GREAT again.

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>>55655802
You're not as smart as you think you are.
1. You buy your high-end GPU on cyber week/black friday/christmass whatever for significantly less than retail price

2. Just before the new cards come out you sell it (if you did good when you first bought it you may gain profit otherwise break even)

3 You buy the current high-end GPU

Yes you do it every year AND you don't lose ANY money.

I recently sold my R9 Fury for 470€ (bought for 420€ last year)
Enough to buy a GTX 1070

The retarded goy is only you here.
Since you plan to buy a RX 470 every year for 4 years, after which your "titan killer" 4 cards are worth jack shit.

Luckily I didn't believe the shitty AMD hype. Time to buy a 1060

>>55653284
>being poor
Thats suits you

>>55650293
> can't fuck it
>Can't make chicken tendies
>faster than 980

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>>55655971

>>55654148
>AMD logo at the end
Gee nice shill

>>55654929
Nice cry amdrone
AAHAHA

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>>55655924
Fuck Trump, Nvidia don't support Israel like Intel, Apple or AMD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinationals_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel

Doom+vulkan seems to go the RX 480 way

http://m.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review/4

so can we safely agree that amd fucked up once again?

>>55656095
Look all the 480 shitty shutter...

>>55656182
Doesn't look like so.

With DX12/Vulkan on the brink of coming into existence. I'd say AMD gambled at the right time, FINALLY. They went in too with the GCN architecture. They should've went DX11 serial optimization instead of parallel back then. However going serial now is literally suicide.

>>55650293
vaporware never wins, fag

I mean, the TSMC process is better than GloFo, sure. Only problem is that apple is using all their capacity.

Poolaris was a meme

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>>55651185
>Good Nvidia reviews
Lamo payed for shills XDDDD
>Good AMD reviews
da truth has been spoke

Are you people fucking idorts?

Is the RX 480 actually more future-proof than the 1060 or is that AMD fanboy propaganda?

Because if it's true I'll probably grab the RX 480 because I'm poor and don't want to have to buy another card for years.

>>55656764
both cards will be outdated in no time. 970/980 performance is becoming bottle of the barrel tier performance with most games having a 970 as the minimum requirement. if you want true future proofing buy a model above eg vega or 1070

>>55656764
propaganda like hbm1

RIP AMD

>>55656764
It's propaganda. AMD cards are actually less future proof because Nvidia has such high market share, new games are made and optimized for Nvidia cards.

>>55656786
the mid-tier cards always get outdated but I always buy and use them for several years so whatever

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>>55656764
Going by history this is what it tells us. Also take into account that the same architecture is in both Xbone and PS4 and the 480's advantage in DX12 and Vulkan.

>>55653214
Dangerous shigo

>>55650293
Nvidiots on suicide watch

http://lomand.xyz/websolutions/

>>55656764
>entire kepler line being surpassed by the 290, and even the 7970 sometimes, when the 780 ti used to beat the 290x

yeah, it's true

AMD IS BANKRUPT AND FINISHED

>>55657079
Retard you can't compare benchmarks between two different tests.

>>55657175
>that fucking text to speech

I love it

>>55657175
Jesus, that's an annoying site.

>>55654801
I just spent money on two games that I never spend money on. I usually pirate everything. But for some reason during the Steam summer sale I grabbed Doom and RotTR. I am happily playing both and don't feel like I have been cheated. I'm a casual gamer anyhow so the mid range cards on my 60Hz monitor are just fine. I currently use a R9 290 though and will be side grading to the Nitro+ mainly to have a smaller form factor and less power hungry GPU etc. The R9 290 will get sold on to help towards the Nitro+ Yeah I know a side grade might sound stupid but the Sapphire Tri-X I have is a beast. It's power hungry and noisy when overclocked.

>>55655428
This is actually why I've been hoping AMD as it currently stands will die, so it can rise from the ashes like a phoenix.

>>55655764
I just ordered a 1060 this morning, but nvidia fanboys are far worse dude.

>>55657625
Nvidia fanboys are nowhere near vocal enough to be annoying and they usually arrive after nvidia fucks up or releases something. AMD fanboys are always there, hyping up the next product.

>>55657669
Because that's all AMD has. Hype, spinning, no actual results. Pretty sad that the whole company is built on lies.

>>55657669
this is actually true. go into every 1060 review comment section on youtube and the most liked comments are from amd shills screaming about muh async and muh nvidia jews

Nice hugbox you got here.

>>55657872
Seriously it's just awful. These retards don't know how to lose gracefully, they always try to spin it somehow.

>>55657669
>>55657872
Guess you guys weren't around back when InElite was here

>>55657977
No I was, that's just 1 particularly vocal guy.

>>55656786
>most games having a 970
Name 5

>>55658182
Probably got min and recommended mixed up

So when is the card releasing?

>>55658297
It came out today

>>55658362
Shit did it go up on amazon yet?

>>55658376
Yup, already sold out. There will probably be more stock in a few days.

>>55658411
Alright thanks.

>>55654801
Its designed to run like shit on my hardware and it cant be effectively pirated (yet), so no I havent.

>>55656746
>good nvidia reviews
DUDE CHECK OUT THESE GIMPWERKS GAMES THEY'RE THE WAY ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED(tm) NVIDIA WINS BY LIKE 4 WHOLE FPS(loses in anything using a modern api, but we'll show only 1 of those so the average gets pulled) AND ONLY COSTs LIKE 40 BUCKS MORE HOLY SHIT THE BEST FUCKING SHIT EVER ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES AT ALL ITS PERFECT I WANT TO SHOVE IT IN MY ASS

>good AMD reviews
yeah, so its a great value or whatever, and will probably do well in the future, but holy shit look at this ridiculous scenario that this card would never be used for that makes it go 3W over spec! It will definitely fry your motherboards we promise, you should probably play it the way Its Meant to be Played(tm) instead. Did I mention Shadowplay(tm)?

>>55658697
Uhh they just test normal games. The problem is the only shit where AMD even wins are niche games with weird settings that no one even uses.

>>55658744
>Doom is a niche game
>Hitman is a niche game
>anything running a modern API is a niche game

o lad

>>55658817
1060 beats 480 in doom easily

480 only has an advantage when you enable vulkan, which is off by default.

Hitman is the only game you could consider the 480 having an advantage and that is because it is literally sponsored by AMD.

Everything else the 1060 wins easily.

>>55651871
>new shit
>it wins at microstutter and massive chasms in max and min frame rate
Sasuga AMD experience rollercoaster

>>55658928
>1060 beats 480 in doom easily
not running a modern API.

>480 only has an advantage when you enable vulkan, which is off by default.

>The superior, newer API that may become standard doesn't count because its not the default! A...AMD loses!

Vulkan 480 absolutely creams any 1060 implementation. I guess if you want to pointlessly use outdated tech than the 1060 is better, but then again, clearly you do, since you're buying a 1060 to begin with!

>Hitman is the only game you could consider the 480 having an advantage and that is because it is literally sponsored by AMD.


AHAHAHAHA

guess gimpworks games are sponsored by the magic pixies who ream your ass each night eh?

>>55659025
>muh modern API
>random crashes and terrible frametimes
kek

>>55659025
Vulkan is buggy shit, it's off by default because it's not even finished yet.

According to you, every game other than Hitman is somehow sponsored by Nvidia which is hilarious.

It's all just a big conspiracy how every single game the 1060 beats the 480, too funny.