/hpg/ - Headphone General

DAC: Schiit modi 2
AMP: Schiit vali 2

Trying to decide between the hd 600 and hd 650, which would be better for my setup?

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end game headphones reporting in

>Budget
$150 hard cap
>Location
US
>Source
*See note
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
N/A

*My motherboard audio has constant hissing on it, every os i use has the same problem.
Do i buy an audio card and then plug it in to that?

Need a mic too, prefer boom

>>55637939
see
>>55637950

Really you can't go wrong with either. Theyre very similar. But if youre going to use them for immersion and to enjoy music, movies and games, get the HD650.

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Sony MDR7506, are they good compared to the other Flat frequency headphones on the market.

>>55637939
HD650 is an overpriced, dark and low-fi HD600.

>>55637939
The hd600 is more detailed than the 650 and it's already more than warm enough and full sounding as it is.

That should tell you everything. I've tried both and the 600 is the best headphone i've ever tried in my life.

>>55637978
Sounds like you need a DAC.

>Budget
Under $200
>Location
US
>Source
Samsung Galaxy S7 and PC
>Preferred type of headphone
fullsized,overear(just not iem)
>Open or closed
open/closed(open preferred bc of soundstage, but bass is preferred)
>Comfort level
anything that's not really uncomfortable, have longer hair and Portpros really fucked with that so I'm wishing I can get a pair that goes around this
>Preferred tonal balance
warm and smooth(beefy bass)
>Past headphones
Portapros, and bunch of IEMS

I want to have a decent soundstage and good, beefy bass. Bass>soundstage.

>>55637978
Buy a fiio e10k, done.

>>55638133
New to all this.
I get the jist of dac, from the wiki, but i have no clue where to start after that.
Only had shitty $5 headphones over the years and a gaymer headset that came part of a graphics card bundle i bought years ago

>>55637939

Despite what everyone here will tell thy sound incredibly similar. The HD 600s are cheaper so get them. I have HD 650s because I got an incredible deal on them but would be perfectly satisfied with the HD 600s.

>>55638124
>hd600 is more detailed than the 650

Couldnt be more wrong.

The 650 has more details in the highs, and extends way lower in the sub bass. It does have more mid bass as well, but it really just expands in all directions in comparison to the 600.

I went to a audio store down town and tried out the HD800, HD700, HD650, HD600, and some Audeze massive cans. Walked out with the HD650 because they were the best over all. Theyre the HD600 but with more texture, lusher, and more everything.

I dont know how to describe audio. But to say the 600 has more detail is just wrong. The 650 is so much more resolving in micro detail. I may agree the 600 is more neutral in sound signature.

>>55638277
If the HD600 is more neutral than it's automatically more detailed. What you heard that day was a lie confirmed by your biased expectations towards the HD650.

>>55638277
The 600 just sounds fucking 'right'. The extra midbass masks detail on the 650's imo.

Both very good but the hd600's are better. They're nearly perfect.

>>55638320
>HD600 is more neutral than it's automatically more detailed
not necessarily. The HD800 is more detailed than any of them and they're treble canons.

>>55638239
first step is get some decent headphones
those will be good without a dac or an amp

then you decide where to go

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Need some noise cancelling headphones, are these the best option?

>>55630216
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112253.0.html

This guy can tell the difference between 144kbps opus and flac with shitty $2 earbuds
I think that you may have hearing loss.

>>55638541
Won't it still be 3.5 rca connectors though?
Don't i need to replace the motherboard audio panel with something else?

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Recently one of the clips like in pic related on my AD700xs broke off, but even before then there wasn't quite enough support for my small head and they slid down a bit and ended up not being too comfortable. Is there anything I can buy the replace the weird half headband thing?

>>55638744

For noise cancelling they are still the best. One of the few things Bose does very well.

>>55639024

I put a hair tie around the wings on the top and it significantly improved comfort and it staying in place.

>>55639053
That works really nicely but it looks bad and doesn't solve my problem that one of the pads broke off, can I buy a replacement pad?

>>55639158

Yeah you can still order them from Japan. Last time I looked they were retardly expensive. Like $40 with shipping

>>55639190
sucks to suck i guess

>55637922
>Budget
£50
>Location
UK
>Source
Laptop+phone
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Fairly comfortable and I need them to go fully around the ear

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-akg-k7xx-red-edition?mode=guest_open

Are these in any way different from these?

http://www.akg.com/pro/p/k712pro

I'm asking because I can't tell the difference in specs, but that price difference is throwing me off. I'm also new to this game of cans thing.

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>>55637922
>Ears on top of head
>Headphones on side of head

How will he hear the moosic /g/?

>>55639294
The whole point of massdrop is that it's cheaper you dumb cunt

>>55639332
Thanks friend, I'm just jaded to jewish trickery I suppose.

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>>55639328

>>55639328
The ears on top are like radar and other signaling systems. It enhances the auditory system, while there are normal human ears where headphones are.
Think of it like echo location. Dolphins can use their eyes and see fine. But they use echolocation to enchance their awareness of their surroundings

>>55639358
Oh don't worry you'll get jewed by the shipping times upwards of several months

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>>55637922
The ayyyiluminati sticker is covering the horrid brand logo.

This is my final setup, I have no reason to improve any of this stupidly expensive setup.

>>55637939
Flip a coin.
>>55638223
Fidelio X2 or DT770 Pro 80ohm.
>>55638277
Sub-bass extension on the HD650 is the same as the HD600, the HD650 produces less upper midrange to treble gain, because of this it is perceived as having more bass.

I think 'details' is a massive buzzword at this point but after hearing the HD600 and HD650 side by side, the HD600 is what I'd call more detailed since it's brighter and I can hear the nuances clearer, not that it can't be heard on the HD650, it's just less apparent.
>>55638393
Would disagree here.

>>55638541
>first step is get some decent headphones
Perhaps you failed to notice the part that said:
>My motherboard audio has constant hissing on it, every os i use has the same problem.
Great idea suggesting he get better headphones to hear the hiss even better.

>>55618304
anon my LCD-2 came in and i run it through my motherboard and they definitely get loud enough are much more clear than my HD600
10/10

>>55639668
>LCD-2 more clear than HD600

That's just impossible, lel.

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Should I sell my 99 Classics for an HD 600?

>>55639513
>Sub-bass extension on the HD650 is the same as the HD600
No, even though
>the HD650 produces less upper midrange to treble gain
is true.

>the HD600 is what I'd call more detailed since it's brighter and I can hear the nuances clearer
To borrow some visual terms, that's not detail, that's messing around with the color balance to make certain things *pop* out.
Detail is information. Headphones don't lack information in the same way that a display would. If the frequency is present with a minimum of distortion, the information is there.

Aside from the spatial cues that no device can get right, headphones don't have a particular restriction on "detail". It serves as a heavily misused term in audio.

>>55639668
Were you the one asking all those questions about the LCD models?

>>55640286
Why (are you/would you be) selling it? Why the HD 600?

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>>55637922
>Budget
$200 max, the cheaper the better obv
>Location
USA
>Source
laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
over-the-ear
>Open or closed
closed, but with the best soundstage a pair of closed cans within my budget can offer (I know open 'phones generally offer better soundstage, but I need closed ones for the isolation)
>Comfort level
not a big deal, but should be comfortable enough for an hour or two music listening sessions
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral most preferred, but just as long as it isn't too bassy or too warm with a great soundstage, I won't mind

currently considering the Beyerdynamic DT770 80 ohms ($150) and the SoundMAGIC HP150 ($129), so if anyone has any input on those, or any other recs, please share

thanks, guys

>>55640406
They aren't suitable for public use, the cups are a bit too small and the band tries to pull my hair out every time I take them off. Bass is muddy, and to make up for it Meze made it more boomy. When I got them I didn't know the HD600s existed for the same price
>HD 600 $325 current on amazon
>Meze 99 Classics $330 on website
and I bought it on impulse. When you search up reviews on the 99 classics everyone seems to say the same fake praise like the Meze guy paid everyone off. There are no critical reviews on the headphone that I can find.

Looking at the v-moda crossfade m-100.
I like durability from it, and it looks like it has good quality mixed.
Looking for a second opinion.

>>55640485
NAD VISO HP50.
They might be slightly above 200 bucks but they are worth it if you want good soundstage on closed cans and don't mind looking like an idiot wearing them.
I also own the DT-770 and the V-Moda M100 and the NAD are better when it comes to sound stage

>>55640406
i dont want to admit to it but yes i was that idiot

>>55640637

Small Soundstage but sound excellent. They are a bit colored but not distracting ly so. Makes for a very nice listen. Extremely durable. My friends pair works flawlessly after years of hard use and even abuse.

>>55640562
Sounds like a miserable experience.
I suppose HD600 will remedy most of those issues, besides a bit of clamp. I would consider slightly used sets as well.
Hopefully HD600 midbass won't prove too irritating. Got anything else in mind for portable use?

>>55640810
Asking questions doesn't make you an idiot, nor is it a problem.

Which LCD2 version? I presume Fazor, but which cups, Shedua or Bamboo?
How do you like the LCD-2 so far?

>>55640637
It sounds like a slightly nicer Crossfade LP, which was widely panned, but it is built tougher and such.
The fit (headband span, pad width, pad depth) comes up short, not a great set for home listening.

Has a case of closed headphone midrange, the part where the upper bass-low mid are missing. Retains many of the weird dips of the Crossfade, but smoothed out. I still don't like it, even if the general reception was more favorable.

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what's /hpg/ opinion on pic related?

Is there a /g/ recommended IEM for around $100-$150?I need something that isn't nigger bass and will last.

>>55641483
shedua fazor
i dont know anything about terminology or headphone reviews so i'm more throwing words out based on what i think is appropriate so sorry if its kinda poor/hard to understand

when i first put them on i thought i made a mistake because I was listening to rap and I didn't notice much immediately but when I changed to classical music that I'm much more familiar with I could definitely recognize that there was more clarity and separation

there is less bass i think compared to my hd600s
that or since it appears to be more punchy it doesn't last as long and appears as if there's less of it

im very happy with my purchase and i'm definitely not returning them
thanks anons for letting me preach

the more I wear them I think vocals seem somewhat recessed? thats not really much of a problem since i don't listen to orchestral pieces that have vocals in them

>>55641800
Shure SE215

>>55641520
If you cannot afford the XPT then the CAL is the one go for.

>>55641800
MA750

>>55640485
there are no better closed headphones in that price range than the dt 770. go ahead and cop.

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How do I find out if my motherboard can drive a certain pair of headphones?

Looking into buying a pair of Beyerdynamic DT880s since my Logitech headset broke after about 6 years of use. I plan on buying the 250 Ohm model and I dont mind buying an amp/dac but I'd much rather prefer to buy one at a later date.


My motherboard is a Asus z87-a, for reference.

>>55637922
>tfw you'll never be a qt3.14 cockslut neko boy
;-;

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>>55642931
Thank fucking god.

>>55642799
It will likely work but will likely sound rather flat in comparison to using a good DAC and amp.

My HD 800s worked and sounded like any other headphones until I got my schiit.

>>55641898
I liked the Bamboo (it's a grass) look more.
>based on what i think is appropriate so sorry if its kinda poor/hard to understand
It's fine and better than the audio press. It might help that I know what each headphone does.

>there is less bass i think
>that or since it appears to be more punchy it doesn't last as long and appears as if there's less of it
Flatter bass implies quicker bass (single driver, no other resonator, no ports).

To go on a tangent:
You can break down the bass of a headphone to the mechanical resonation of a driver. When you talk about a resonator, or the simulated resonators in a parametric EQ (use one, they're great), you define it by center frequency, amplitude, and Q.

Q has definitions of:
-how "focused" a resonator on a frequency range, its center frequency divided by the range in Hz
-how long it takes to decay, how long it lingers around
High Q means the resonator is sharply focused on one specific frequency, and lingers around for a long time. Low Q means the resonator, the headphone's bass bump, will be spread out over a wider frequency range, and decay more quickly.

The time and frequency have a relation that gives them an inverse relation to each other, one goes up, the other goes down. You could say it like this:
>(time)*(frequency) = a constant*
Time in seconds, frequency in Hz.

For headphones, a moderate Q bass lift leaves a fair bit of slow decaying bass. If this were the treble, the same Q would spread the bump over several thousand Hz, and would decay faster. An extremely low Q would give a response that is spread out enough to look flat, with very quick decay.
For your headphones, the HD 600 bass has a fairly low Q, with a few dB of amplitude at resonance. LCD-2 has a much lower Q than that, with less amplitude, and faster decay.
If you're wondering how the frequency stuff can tie so much into the temporal, they aren't separate


*This has a non-coincidental similarity to Heisenberg's Inequality

>>55640381
>No
Yeah, if you level match in the lower midrange, they have the same bass response. The HD650 appears less rolled off because of the compensation curves.

I hear more 'information' on the HD600 as opposed to the HD650.

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This is probably a stupid question - are there headphones out there with the same soundstage as an iem?

I currently have the monster turbines and I love them, bass is big, treble is low.

I feel iem's will give a more complete sound because the headphones go deep in the ear compared to over-the-head headphones because of the distance from the ear and the headphone.

so i just bought the AKG K7XX. i've been using the m50's for about 5 years now. i make electronic music. am i going to need a dac/amp, or will i get good enough sound without one? volume is not an issue because i need to protect my hearing anyway.

>>55644204
A dac/amp doesn't magically "improve" sound dumbo.

>>55644268
never having used one, i wouldn't know.

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>>55644012
I dont think you understand what soundstage means

or this is bait

>>55644291
A dac is only if your audio source has hissing and popping and shit. All an amp does is increase voltage to the headphones. To spend 250+ on these two things is unjustifiable. Check the voltage requirement on your k7xx and check the voltage output on your computer.

>>55644334
I know I used 'soundstage' inappropriately here, but I was hoping I wouldnt trigger anyone's autism and that they would understand what I meant, noted by the 'this is probably a stupid question...' in my post. I'm not sure how else to describe it.

>>55644389
Do you mean left/right separation?

>>55638803
Those guys would be people who are expert listeners, using a sample which is problematic for the codec and with EQ that seems to highlight artifacts. It's not comparable really.

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>>55637922
Anyone know anything about these?

>>55645450
Did you swipe that from a school?

Late night bump.

Why do you prefer headphones to speakers? Please don't say because you don't want to wake up your parents with Touhou remixes at 4AM.

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>>55646802
>Please don't say because you don't want to wake up your parents with Touhou remixes at 4AM.
Okay, I don't want to wake up my parents with lewd anime at 4AM.
On a more technical note, the fact that transducer is effectively coupled to the ear allows for greater audio resolution and detail retrieval than speakers without having to deal with all it's associated physics issues of Standing Waves, Room Modes, etc. Also they are a much cheaper and a better value proposition generally since the market didn't evolve over time to cater to rich old audiophiles addicted to vinyl (except maybe STAX).

>>55646879
Doesn't it bother you to have shit on your head though? And to expose how much of a fuccboi I am, doesn't it mess up your hair if you use any product?

How much of a down-grade would a DT 770 be from a PM3?

>>55646802
1) headphones are cheaper, a decent 2.1 speaker setup is generally more expensive than 300€, which is the starting point of diminishing return for headphones
2) headphones are close to the ears, which means that their sound quality isn't affected by positioning as much as it would be on proper speakers
3) no need to spend money into room treatment
4) overall a better surround experience

>>55647068
DT770 are the standard closed headphones in music studios, where PM3 aren't. Are you really sure that DT770 is a downgrade from the PM3? According to me, it's the contrary.

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So the DT 990's I ordered went out of stock and I cancelled my order instead of waiting.
Now that I'm open for choosing again, are there any headphones I'm better off getting? About in the same price range, but I can be flexible.
Running the headphones through laptop -> fiio e10k.
I'll use them for gaming (mostly fps) and listening to mostly jazz, hip hop, and electronic music.
Thanks

>>55647268
HD600
DT880 600 Ohm (250 Ohm can also go well)
K702/Q701

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Opinions on the AD900x?

>>55646802
Apartment and don't want share my Vocaloids and eurobeat with the people next to me. Plus I don't want to bother with the room treatment stuff.

>>55647294
Will the E10K be able to power the 600 ohm 880s? Sounds a bit high to me right

>>55647631
A guy here owning the DT880 600 Ohm said that the E10K can drive it fine. I suppose that the E10K won't be able to push the DT880 600 Ohm at loud levels though.

>>55641800
MA 750

>>55647696
Yeah I read in a head-fi thread that it worked well but I'm still in doubt.
As long as I can hear the sound well enough to hear everything in a quiet room it's good enough for me.

>>55647631
>>55647778
>94.0 dB SPL/mW
The E10K can power it fine. K612s are harder to drive and can be pushed to beyond recommended levels through the E10K.

What amp/DAC combo would you fine gents recommend for a pair of Apple EarPods™?

I'm rather affluent so budget isn't a consideration.

>>55647899
Your phone.

>>55647835
> K612 are harder to drive
No because they have a higher sensitivity and a lower impedance

Should I get a bottlememe for my HD600 or just a magni?

>>55647944
Obviously the solid state option.

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Are V-Modas the fedora of headphones?

>>55648005
those plates are sick senpai.

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>$3999
>four THOUSAND dollars
LMAO

>>55648025
Yeah I have a matching fedora and a vaper to go with those
They get me all the ladies

>>55648026
It doesn't look bad.

>>55648041
You're going to pick up so many ladies riding ur scooter around playing pokemon go.

>>55648044
the channel imbalance alone makes it bad for $4000.

>>55648062
> channel imbalance
> 1 dB variation
Lel, ok dude

>>55648075
>> 1 dB variation
closer to 2. it should be less than 0.5 at $4000.

OK so how much different are the 880 600 ohms compared to the 990 250 ohm?
Is the step up in price worth it?

>>55647899
Low quality bait

>Budget
~200$
>Location
EU
>Source
Phone, Mac in work
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
They'll be on my head for a lot of the day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm, good bass
>Past headphones
Using Sennheiser HD 25s not comfortable for long sessions.

>>55637939
This is the easiest way for me to put HD650 vs HD600

>Do you follow the vocals and lead when you listen to music?
Go HD600

>Do you follow the bass-line, rhythm, and drums?
Go HD650

Both are fantastic.

>Budget
$75; More if possible.
>Location
USA
>Source
Phone, Laptop, etc.
>Open or closed
Closed, so no one hears my music
>Comfort level
If its able to be on my head for hours and take breaks, I'll be okay.
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 202-II left ear recently stop working. They were the best closed headphones, no one hears my music, while I'm able to hear the passive noises from outside so I can be aware of the environment. They were the right amount of comfort for long periods, and good amount of sound. Hated the constant reassurance of comfort when putting them on though.

Any recommendations? I think it was luck picking Sennheiser out of the blue, I don't want to fuck up and downgrade.

http://en-us.sennheiser.com/dj-headphones-closed-hd-205

Can i eq with apo eq and a DAC? Can i use the dac with all my PC audio? Which DAC and Amp combo do you recommend for an HD600 or the K702? Sorry for being ignorant

>>55650286

None has trebble? Or are they bothe the same?

>>55644570
No, like the music sounds 'fuller' with iem's as a result of the ear bud going into the ear canal. The sound is closer and therefore can dissect music and isolate different sounds or what not.

I own the sennheiser hd 202. But my monster turbines, again, probably because it goes in my ear, a better overall sound where I can get those deep lows and good enough clarity to isolate instruments. Where as the sennheiser is the opposite. It could be a result of the headphone not being tight on my head and the sound escaping?

I may be coming off like an idiot, but I'm having a difficult time trying to explain it.

Xiaomi Piston 3 vs KZ ATE?
Looking for a cheap IEM with as close to neutral sound as possible and good bass extension.

>>55650881
sounds like a case of low fidelity and sealing problems

>>55650511
superlux 668B only headphones worth under 100

>>55647158
>DT770 are the standard closed headphones in music studios, where PM3 aren't. Are you really sure that DT770 is a downgrade from the PM3? According to me, it's the contrary.
No, MDR-7506 is the standard.

And PM3 is leagues better than DT770.

For neutrality:

7506 > PM3 > DT770

>>55648026
Looks like shit.

>>55651001
I feel that way. I'll have to go to B&H and test my theory.

>>55639463
This stuff looks neat. Why am I poor. Also really interested in seeing your whole setup anon.

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Looking for a good first purchase
>Budget
50-100$ flexible but 160 max
>Location
North America
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Not sure yet, need advice *
>Comfort level
Comfort>Performance *
>Past headphones
N-none..

* I would be using them at home only (music and gaming) and I don't think I would need noise cancelling or anything. Based on that I'm guessing open?

*My ears are picky and start hurting after a few hours with headphones on, so I'm looking for a more comfortable pair over the best sound possible. Plus I'm a total newbie when it comes to headphones, so I wouldn't be able to "judge" the headphone's performance very well, therefore it's slightly irrelevant to me.

Thanks in advance.

>>55652052

Prefered music or tonal base?

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These things feel like clams on my head, trying to stretch them out.

What are some comfy over the ear headphones around $100?

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>>55637922
best soundstage under $200? all i really care about

>>55652415
Bassy.

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>>55646802
I don't but I just find headphones more convenient on my desk where I spend the majority of my time at home. When moving around on my desk headphones and in-ears give much more consistent sound and fidelity compared to loudspeakers because they only have a rather narrow sweet spot.

I also don't want to wake up my neighbors with 2hu remixes at 3AM.

>>55646921
If I've done my hair, yes it does, hence in these cases I either use IEMs or loudspeakers. I generally use headphones after/before work or going out due to them messing up my hair. I also don't want all the shit I put into my hair to latch onto the headphone earpads or headband padding.

>>55653467

V-moda m100

>>55653467

Or if you like warm (bass and mids) hd558 which are open

>>55645843
is it that obvious? No, my grandpa gave three pairs of them to my sister for some reason

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Just bought these for$259.99 at Amazon.

How much did i fuck up

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>>55638744
Get bose. As much as people critique it, it cancels out sound and has decent quality compared to others in the price range.

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So I see a great deal of IEMs that have a remote on them. I really like remotes and think they are really handy. However for some reason the remotes can only work on either IOS or Android not either. Is there a program for android that lets me use the IOS remote on an android device? Is there any other way to use a IOS remote on an android device?

>>55654735
>either
Both*

What type of headphone stand do you faggots use?

Like what do you place your headphones on when they're not on your head? You don't just throw them on your desk do you?

>>55655319
>You don't just throw them on your desk do you?
I lay them on my desk.

>>55655319
I made myself a little clamp+hook so I clamp that shit anywhere and I can hang my headset.

>>55655319
Banana hanger.

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>>55655319
Used to use a painted 2x4 and a $1 selfie stick, now I use a porcelain mushroom.

>>55652449

my at m50s sound washy as hell and I dont know why. did i get a shitty set of cans or is it something else?

>>55655926
nevermind im a retard who cant plug his shit all the way in in

>>55655979
was that really the problem?

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I'm looking for a spectrum visualizer that shows the accurate frequency bandwidth of the sound it's playing in my music. Does anything like this exist?

>Budget
Around 100 ~ 150 euros
>Location
France (mainly looking at Amazon.fr)
>Source
Notebook, no DAC or Amp
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
I don't have an actual preference. Gonna use just at home alone, so open or closed don't really matter to me, it would be more a question of necessity, and I'm not sure which one I need
>Comfort level
Won't be used for looong periods (2 hours sessions mostly)
>Preferred tonal balance
V shaped ~ balanced
>Past headphones
Just a shitty Philips SHP2000, I kinda like it

I'm looking for a phone mostly for music (symphonic metal, rock, some electronic music, which is why I think it should have some good bass) but also for gaming sometimes, being able to locate enemy positions in CSGO, for example, would be good.

I've been reading a lot and I'm mostly between the HD 558 (109 euros), DT770 (145 euros for the 32 ohm version) and ATH M40x (109 euros) (perhaps M50x (165 euros) if the extra money is really worth it)

The gaming part of my need got me the HD558, but realizing I actually listen more to music than play games and that I really like the bass, made me find the M40x and DT770, so I'm now between those 3.

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Bought Pic Related a few months back. Still waiting for them...(I know the don't ship until Aug 3) Do I need a DAC? If so rec me one under $100 please.

>>55655589
I have the same incense burner

>>55658580
>I want end game sound for under $100
>Don't tell me I'm wrong!

guys the nozzle on my sony mdr 7550 broke cause my fucking cat chewed it. what the fuck can i do? Its very fucking hard to repair it.

>>55659433
I asked if I needed one. No where did I say that I have knowledge of audio equipment. I am no audiophile, which is why I am here. If you think I need a DAC above my price range, I would love to hear your suggestion. I can go up to $200.

>>55658580
something gives me the feeling a lot of people are going to be disappointed with those, the he-300 was fucking terrible

>>55660367
They haven't even shipped yet. I've watched a few reviews on them and they've all been very positive.

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I need some advice, I just bought hd202 headphones and they sound great, im very happy with them, but i have noticed that they sound wayyyy louder on my old laptop than in my desktop computer, in my desktop I use the setting (pic related) on auto, sounds diferent than the other two, but i dont know if im doing wrong on this config
desktop codec is ALC887
(sorry if my english is not good)

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>>55656269
Foobar has something like that in its visual modes.

100 USD
USA
Notebook and Smartphone
Full size
Minimal leakage preferred. I don't want the girl beside me on the bus to hear my weeab tunes
High comfort will wear it for 4+ hours at a time. Cloth type earpads are better than leather.
Will mainly use it for competitive gaming, movies and media. Would want a good soundstage. Any balance that isn't harsh and fatiguing to listen to.
additional: tough wires that don't shit out from fraying and movement in a month

rec me up pham

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Just got some logitech g230s, huge reccomend if you're looking for.something affordable and high quality for the price.

>>55660961
HD558

How much would a dac improve the sound from a pair of audio technica m50x's over the onboard sound through my motherboard?

>>55640485
Sony h.ear on ear headphones. They're new, like $150 bucks, and pretty comfy. They're also very good sounding.

If you want to save a lot of money, you can find olcsr cans around for less than a $100, like the UE6000. Though I'd just go with the Sony's.

>>55641800
JVC hafhx30
Havi B1
JVC ha-frd80 (if you can find them)
Yamaha ep100
Audio Technica IM 02/03

does anyone here own ciems?
i really want to get a pair but only people who consume copious amounts of snake oil review them

Got a stupid question.

Why do people say the HD600s are some of the best dynamics ever made, but at the same time say they're "forgiving" headphones and "not the most detailed around"?

Isn't the whole point of expensive audio gear detail?

>>55662027
Honestly CIEMs are a major overpriced meme. Just get a pair of ATH-IM04 and be on your way.

>>55662504
First, you need to keep in mind that an individual's audio perceptions may vary from person to person.

Second, then you have a lack of a dictionary of terms to settle differences of what terms like "forgiving" and "detailed" mean.

Finally, you get people who prefer a bright sound over more neutral or "dark" headphones who often equate brightness with detail. I've had this discussion a few times with such people, usually use bass details using terms like "texture" and "boomy," to demonstrate that there is more to details than just crisp, clear highs.

I don't agree that the HD600 is the best dynamic ever made but they are pretty darn good and can be endgame if you have the sensibilities to restrain yourself from jumping into the high end "boutique" audio area of headphones. But to get to one specific complaint:
>"not the most detailed around"
The HD600 (and the 650) are may sound "veiled" to you. In effect it sounds like you are a couple of rows back and there's a like a cloth or "veil" smoothing/soothing the music. This can be confused with a lack of detail but I've ABX'd them with various almost hyperdetailed, unforgiving IEMs and headphones (I'm looking at you Ultrasone) and the HD600 produces all the same detail, the intake of a breath, the squeak of a chair, or even the hum of an amp, but just don't put it in your face or, in some cases, rub your nose in it. Thus why HD600s are considered "forgiving."

>>55662027
I haven't tried any CIEMs in the last six years or so(?) and my last pair was a set of UE Pro(?) before they started offering universal fit systems. I stopped paying attention to them because a lot of them were R&D experiments that were later filtered down to their universal fit systems or were boutique sellers which offer a 5-10% better performance (playing these percentages by ear - pun intended) at greatly increased costs. That and you cannot share your tips with a friend when you get that "Dude! You have got to hear this!" moment.

>>55662566
but is the isolation as good
my only issue is that i want to love iems but nothing ever really fits in my ear

>>55660776
Thank you very much. I wonder if I can find something like this for MusicBee as well. Do you know any other programs that have a similar visualizer?

Every time I move my mouse I can hear a faint squealing in my right cup, it's driving me insane. Should I embrace the meme and go for a DAC? What is the best one to get?

>>55662907
just get a cheap used soundcard (xonar dg is ubiquitous) off ebay. I got a xonar dg for about 10 USD and it fixed all the nasty noise, also it powered my IEMs far better than my shitty onboard audio

>>55662960
I thought there was no point in getting a sound card when a dac/amp can do better?

>>55663007
If you just want to fix the noise a sound card will be a very cheap fix for that.

But an amp/DAC combo will be far better (assuming your headphones are actually worthy of an amp/DAC, if you have something like a pair of HD558 might as well just go for the sound card).

>>55663019
do amp/dacs offer sonic qualities or do they just make your headphones louder than they already are

I sit at a desk all day and my HD25s are hurting my head.

>Budget
~200$
>Location
EU
>Source
Phone, Mac in work
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
They'll be on my head for a lot of the day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm, good bass
>Past headphones
Using Sennheiser HD 25s not comfortable for long sessions.

>>55663122
There's no aural benefit to a DAC over a sound card.

>>55655319
I use a Brainwavz Hengja. It's pretty expensive, but looks good.

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Looking for some headphones to help me be pro at CSGO. Are ATH-AD700 still the ideal open with ATH-A700 being the ideal closed?

>Budget
$150-$200 Australian dollarydoos. Can go higher but I would not really want to

>Location
Australia

>Source
PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Whichever

>Budget
$100
>Location
EU
>Source
PC, Laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
full-size
>Open or closed
open or semi-open
>Comfort level
I have a pretty big head and glasses so it needs to be compatible with that
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral preferred (a bit bassy is fine)
>Past headphones
Superlux HD330 - I liked the tonal balance and the big soundstage, disliked that they were pretty uncomfortable sometimes

>>55662617
>my last pair was a set of UE Pro(?) before they started offering universal fit systems
It's funny because UE has retreated almost totally into the niche of CIEMs for musicians. The business does well, but the 900S is more of an afterthought than anything else.

>>55662621
>>55662027
>i really want to get a pair but only people who consume copious amounts of snake oil review them
They market to the moneyed East Asian population, and the type most likely to go out and buy is not particularly skeptical of product quality. Some of them just want the most expensive of everything and don't care, some do enjoy attaching wires the size of sausages to their IEMs.
The earphones market is kind of a disaster, and not just the high end segment or the customs market.

Customs don't isolate as well as universals can. You should take care to keep your jaw in a natural position when taking the impression, or else the finished shells can get loose if you move your jaw too much. However you may be instructed, don't bite down hard while taking the impression.
>nothing ever really fits in my ear
I don't believe anyone who says this. There are at least a hundred different shapes and sizes of eartips. Can you honestly say you've used them all?

>>55664257

a $5 headphone is enough

you won't go pro anyway

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>>55648026
The Flow looks to have superior transient response to either the Flear or Utopia even though it is the cheapest of the lot (calling a $999 headphone cheap being the joke here) but I'd want to see some CSD plots to confirm.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MrSpeakersEtherFlowPreProduction2016.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FocalElear.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FocalUtopia.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD800sn15001SuperdupontResonator.pdf

The Utopia seems to be suffering from some serious channel imbalance issues. That could just be a problem with Tyll's sample but if it's not then that is a disgrace for a headphone costing nearly as much at the SR-009.

I'm also disappointed that the Flow, itself a Kilobuck headphone, can't manage sub-1% THD-N at lower volume levels. The Elear ($1800) and up can but that's pathetic. Also looking at the $1000 Flow's 30Hz Square Wave you can it has a slightly more controlled and tight bass quality than the other 2 more expensive pairs even though it lacks in bass quality from it's FR curve. Unfortunately I doubt you even EQ some bass boost into them effectively since their noise levels are already so HIGH by comparison.

All in all, what a mess. At least the Flow appears to kick the HD800's tail (except for Noise) not that beating a headphone released in 2009 should be that much of an achievement.

Other thoughts?

>>55665073
>even though it lacks in bass quality*
*quantity /fixed

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>>55642931
>>55643062

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but she's a CONFIRMED female.

Bought myself a pair of takstar ts 671 and unsurprisingly my onboard doesn't seem to be good enough (ALC887) with it. Shit doesn't like high volumes.

Think a Xonar DGX would suffice to resolve this issue? Just as I was cheap with the headphones I'd like to be cheap on whatever else I have to get.

>>55662504
The word "detail" is so ambiguous when you read people's opinions on audio gear. That's just their gut feel based on their anecdotal experience on the product. I completely disagree with HD 600 being "forgiving".

And no, expensive audio gear does not necessarily equate to detail nor do people spend a lot on audio seem to care much at all about fidelity. A lot of people just want to buy something expensive and that's a major part in driving the exceptionally pricey audio gear to the "high end" sector of the market. There are also plenty of people who think that's what more experience gives to them and equate whatever they are hearing differently after "upgrading" as "detail" or fidelity.

>>55664257
Anything that's comfy. Get closed if you need isolation, otherwise open is good. AD700, MDR-7506, HD 558 etc.

>>55663423
Sound card is a DAC, often a headphone amplifier and in some rare cases there might be audible differences.

>>55665265
>disappoint
More like a relief.

>>55665513
>That's just their gut feel based on their anecdotal experience on the product. I completely disagree with HD 600 being "forgiving".
Detail as I have come to believe it is related to 3 things in order of importance:
1. Total % noise (both harmonic and intermodulation distortion) across the FR, if you don't have a black background picking out instruments and layered samples and melodies becomes akin to doing bird watching in a fog.

2. Temporal performance as measured by CSD plots and Impulse response graphs. If the headphone cannot portray note decay and attack realistically then tones will bleed over one another and smear the audio signature.

3. FR, a lot of the "details" the human ear evolved to detect live in the 2-3K range and upper treble but too much in that region becomes fatiguing and painful to listen to and too little and the midrange and bass will overshadow it with auditory masking effects.


>A lot of people just want to buy something expensive and that's a major part in driving the exceptionally pricey audio gear to the "high end" sector of the market. There are also plenty of people who think that's what more experience gives to them and equate whatever they are hearing differently after "upgrading" as "detail" or fidelity.
This a lot.

>>55665073
>That could just be a problem with Tyll's sample
There seems to be another issue at play besides channel matching on the unit. I'm not sure what that is, but if any of my guesses are right, it's still a bad thing.

>Headphone prices
Elear is 1k
Ether Flow is set at 1.8k
SR-009 is 3.8k, less through import.
Utopia is 4k

>can't manage sub-1% THD-N at lower volume levels
Decent odds that the measurement gear is spitting out junk here, a measurement artifact.

>Impulse response
Really hard to glean the information you want directly from that. This is why integral transforms and Fourier analysis exist.
>CSDs
Simultaneous time/frequency analysis is fundamentally constrained, and it doesn't divulge anything that doesn't have other, more useful methods of visualization.
>Square wave
Just stop using it.

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>>55665661
>Headphone prices
Shoot I read the article wrong. If the Flow is really $1800 then screw it then. It isn't $700-800 better than the HD800 currently selling for $1100 new and less used.

>Square wave Just stop using it.
The shape and slope of square waves tell you more about the quality of treble and bass than FR. If initial overshoot peaks very high on 300Hz or the sqauare has very ragged hats then they will sound tinny even if the FR graph doesn't make that abundantly clear. Likewise, if the 30Hz crosses the 0v line before the waveform inverts then then there is phase noise being introduced bass will sound bloated and flabby even if the FR is ruler flat or close to it up to 20Hz.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-measurements-explained-square-wave-response#6JyRIoSwcuL82QEm.97
Learn to interpret it. It gives you a better since of the quality of difference FR regions in a more targeted manner that broad FR sweeps can't.

>>55662504
HD600 is extremely detailed though, I can hear everything in a recording with top-tier clarity and realism. It's more clear than the HD800 which is muffled and has less detail because of its inferior frequency response. The only thing that I've heard that's more detailed is the Ety ER-4S eardildo, that tops out at 16kHz but the past10kHz content can't be beat on that IEM on any full sized headphone.

Speakers are also more detailed than headphones because of the more even high frequency response. A decent nearfield setup rapes any headphone for detail.

>bought end game headphones for the main purpose of listening to music
>still didn't REALLY get into music
please tell me i'm not alone

>>55666620
Got amps, speakers, dacs, multiple pairs of headphones...
Never actually take time to critically listen to shit just let it play in the background while shitposting on 4chan

>>55665652
>THD+N, IMD
For most headphones we might discuss seriously, this is of secondary importance, no matter much you seriously want to talk about the sound of your crystal radio from the 1930's.
Aside from powered sets, headphones lack any sort of meaningful inherent noise.

THD is known to be of limited use in determining sound quality (take a look at lossy perceptual coding sometime), but at the same time, it is the only measure anyone can agree on to perform.
Weighted THD measurements trying to make up for the disconnect between THD and perception have been in consideration since the 1930s, although Shorter really kicked it off in the 1950s.
We're STILL trying to better, and now we can use actual music and come up with all sorts of multi-tone signals to analyze distortion with. Not that there is agreement on how to conduct these measurement either.

>time/frequency
The frequency domain and time domain are very tightly linked; transfer functions can be written in the other domain easily enough. A change in time is a change in frequency.

>a lot of the "details" the human ear evolved to detect live in the 2-3K range and upper treble
Those details are spread throughout the spectrum, but let's lay a few things down first.
The physiology of the ear is very poorly designed to take in sounds above 13 kHz, and relies mainly on the frequencies below below 3-4kHz for identification. I trust you can communicate over a telephone, no?
Not that the those higher frequencies don't make their own contribution.
The frequencies above 4 kHz can determine additional information about environment, such as rough proximity (reflected sounds and absorption from nearby objects) and sound source altitude relative to the ear. The ability to determine azimuth is far better than with altitude, the rest of the basilar membrane can be used to make sense of azimuth.

>>55665863
A clarification first, since there seems to be some confusion by what I mean by "frequency domain". When people normally say "FR", it refers to the amplitude of the transfer function of the device under test. The frequency domain is more general than that, it refers to functions of frequency.
To completely define our time domain response, amplitude is not sufficient. The phase as a function of frequency is needed. These will suffice to define the impulse response, a complete description of all linear aspects of a headphone. Square waves being used to test signals have only less information than an impulse response.

It follows that
>It gives you a better since of the quality of difference FR regions in a more targeted manner that broad FR sweeps can't.
is incorrect, since amplitude and phase (both from frequency) gives you those waveforms.
In fact, one of the more popular way to generate these signals is run a sine sweep to obtain the phase and amplitude. These are used to generate the impulse response, which is then convolved with a square wave to obtain the final result.

I was looking for something online to mess around with Fourier series as an example. The best I could find so far is this:
>http://mathlets.org/mathlets/fourier-coefficients-complex/
It doesn't show as many terms as I'd like, but it has sound.

>Learn to interpret it
I do know what a square wave is. I can draw them from the Fourier series if you'd like, using the frequency domain graphs to set them up.
A long standing concern I've had with Tyll is that he can't put his own graphs together and realize the contradictions he's making. He can't figure out a target compensation curve to make for his dummy head, but he's set on what he wants his square wave and impulse to look like.


More later, if you'd like

>Buy speakers this one time instead of a new pair of headphones
>Now headphones seem pointless and /g/ the bunch of faggots and hipsters they always were

>>55666675
>Never actually take time to critically listen to shit
Why would you do that? I'd say my enjoyment with audio gear comes from the carefree nature of them and sound quality which you don't need to critically listen to appreciate.

>>55667732
>More later, if you'd like
Not him but I always like your posts. So yes please, if you will.

>Budget
$30 hard cap
>Location
US
>Source
PC
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Long use

>>55637922
I have a 200$ CAD budget and I mostly listen to punk, noise-rock and post-punk, what kinds of headphones should I get?

>>55668496
Sorry
>Budget: 200$ CAD
>Location: Quebec City, Canada
>Source: computers and mp3 players, 3.5mm jack
>Preferred type: Full size
>Preferably closed (I have children screaming in the background pretty often)
>Comfort level: Don't really care as long as it doesn't hurt after an hour or so. I should also be able to lay with my head resting on the side.
>Tonal balance: depends on the music, as I said I listen to post-punk, noise rock and punk, so I guess either bright or mid-centric depending on the music. I'd rather have neutral headphones and set them on an equalizer myself.
>Past headphones: Beats by dre, got them when I was 14-15, absolutely hated them. They just broke. I hated the bass on them, it was too loud. Bass should be background noise to me, not jumping at your face.

>>55667732
>>55668107
might as well put it on the wiki instead of aimlessly blogposting. you already proved your points.

>>55669026
This is a discussion forum. I for one enjoyed reading his insights

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BEST HEADPHONES FOR 50GB OF EUROBEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>55669560
Grado

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FLAC Internet radio:

mpv https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac

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>>55669560
cute

>>55670089
>Vinyl

>>55670115
not all eurobeat made it to CD

>>55669405
the discussion is over until someone challenges his statements.

I own something called a Roland Quad Capture. It's one of those audio interfaces like the Focusrite stuff.

Would it be able to play up the HD600? Or am I better off with one of the cheaper 50 Ohm sets of cans?

>>55669026
>aimlessly blogposting
That's not what you call blogposting.

>>55670141
Doesn't have to be an argument. Educating others is very much welcome and such quality content is lacking here.

>>55668591
MDR-7506
>I should also be able to lay with my head resting on the side.
That's a near impossible criteria to fill for any headphones.

>>55670247
From my experience Focusrite audio interfaces and my own Stainberg UR22 MkII interface have fairly low output power. It's enough for HD 600 but might not be sufficient if you are using EQ and like to listen loud and/or listen to things with high dynamic range. I've found it lacking when using EQ and watching movies. Same thing with a separate VC client and a video game where I generally need to use rather high volume for the VC program to hear everyone and still have both game and VC at fairly loud levels.

>>55664257
sometimes you cant compare at tournament because they have to use whats offered at the tournament
im not 100% about how csgo tournament regulation goes but i remember league players always had to wear earbuds inside of sound proof headphones so they wouldnt hear the commentator

>>55670630
Thanks guy.
Right now I'm using the meme cans for voice work because isolation.
But I use the Quad Capture for both movies and gaymen, besides music obviously.
So I suppose I'll have to start looking into wether it's 558 or 598 for those things.

>>55670729
>558 or 598
Both good, nearly identical. Go by looks and comfort here.

>>55670630
>Doesn't have to be an argument.
i'm just saying the conversation is dead. whatever is being posted next serves no other purpose than "educating others"
>Educating others is very much welcome and such quality content is lacking here.
it would reach more people if put on the wiki.

>>55662504
The thing with the 600/650 is that they do not do anything really wrong like almost all other open dynamics do. Most others are too boomy, too anemic and/or too glaring.

>>55670747
598 supposed to clamp your head less hard is it something like that?

They seem to have the same pads.

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Apparently this makes you able to use an apple remote on an android device and vise versa. Has anyone here tried it?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016AHYRNW/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

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>Budget
£80 max, £60 preferred
>Location
UK
>Source
PC, Phone, Guitar Amp
>Preferred type of headphone
Over Ear
>Open or closed
Either
>Comfort level
As long as I can wear them for maybe 3 hours at a time without earache, that would be good
>Preferred tonal balance
No idea, but they need to have good bass
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD202, bought them twice, served me well but would like to move to the future

Want headphones which are great for music and good all rounders, want the best for when I've got albums on but may double up as my guitar and gaming headphones

>>55670768
>i'm just saying the conversation is dead. whatever is being posted next serves no other purpose than "educating others"
I guess but that's a very good purpose and interesting to read.
>it would reach more people if put on the wiki.
I'm fairly sure that anon has contributed plenty to the wiki already and while I'm all for this stuff being in there, it doesn't have to be him. Could be any of us who might learn a thing or two from these posts and contribute ourselves.

This reminds me that I had a re-written section for the driver types -section on the wiki which I lost.

>>55670829
Their construction is near identical, some differences in the baffle and earcup design. I think both are fairly easy with the clamp but you are better off trying them yourself or reading from someone who has used and compared both.

>>55670880
Thanks again. I'll just have to do that.

It's probably frowned upon here, but I really need help.

My old Steelseries 9H headset recently died and I bought a HyperX Cloud II. I really dont like it, it's way too fucking loud and I hate not having a volume slider built into the cable.

My question is does anyone know any headset similar to the 9H and/or has a volume slider on the cable for under a hundred dollars?

>>55671084
>HyperX Cloud II
You got the wrong HyperX Cloud.

Has anyone else that's bought a pair of Oppo PM-3's had their pads start to fall off after a few months? Because that started happening to my pair and I haven't seen anything about that issue online. I'm guessing it's a defect or something?

>>55671198
post pictures, please

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>>55671241

>>55671343
they look dirty and scratched. how do you treat them?

>>55671421

I've got the stand that I ordered with it, and whenever they're not being used they're just on it.

>>55671467
sounds strange then. the warranty should cover it.
haven't heard of anyone else having this problem.

>Budget
£100-£250
>Location
UK
>Source
Gaming music
>Open or closed
Closed but not that bothered
>Comfort level
N/A

>>55671189
Kill me

>Budget
None
>Location
US
>Source
Computer with Audioengine D1 Dac/Amp combo (willing to upgrade if necessary)
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
God like.
>Past headphones
AKG Q701 (Current)

Currently have Q701's and after a few years these bumps on the headband are causing hotspots that I've only recently have started to notice and are now genuinely uncomfortable to wear for extended periods of use. I'm looking to get headphones that sound like the Q701's but with god like level of comfort, as well as being fairly lightweight for extreme hours of use 8-16 hours a day. Also a detachable cable is definitely a must, but if there aren't any with that, then I'll settle for a pair of headphones without that feature.

>>55672116
>>Budget
>None
Orpheus

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>Budget
100 euros max
>Location
Europoor
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized, open i guess
>Comfort level
should be comfortable to wear for long sessions, but quality is most important
>Preferred tonal balance
mainly for video games, no idea what the fuck is best here
>Past headphones
Panasonic RP-HTF600 [great sound quality, cheap, decent build quality, dogshit pads]

>>55672262
le funny xD

Those things weigh as much as a sack of bricks.

>>55672389
Have you tried them? Not even shitposting I'm genuinely curious.

>>55672116
Just mod the headband on your Q701, my dude. I had some thick foam stuck on the headbands with rubber bands on mine, bet you can come up with something better. Heck I bet if you used google you'd get some nice guides.

QUICK, i need to buy new earphones today. It has to be something i can buy at a physical store.

Just have to not be shit, and the buds cant be too fucking big else my ears will always push them out. Not too expensive either.

What do you guys think about the Grado SR80 headphones?

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thoughts on this cuck?

What kind of amp/amp+dac would be sufficient to drive my headphones to their full potential on my PC? Headphones: http://av.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028320&pathId=210&page=3
My budget ranges up to 100$.

>>55672801
Depends on who you ask. Subjectivists will generally note they are fun headphones but being on-ears they are uncomfortable. Objectivists will generally note that they don't follow any preferred measurements.

>Budget
$20-50
>Location
US
>Source
pc for music
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfort for long music sessions, previous headphones started to squeeze my head too much
>Preferred tonal balance
bassy otherwise neutral

>Budget
Anything under 100
>Location
US
>Source
PC for music and gaming, mostly music
>Preferred type of headphone
Full Sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
as long as it does the job and covers my ears its ok
>Preferred tonal balance
I guess more bassy
>Past headphones
Steelseries 9H (The driver software was really good, I enjoyed the features, the volume control on the side was nice, and I didn't really like the microphone on it)

I've heard the K612 is the most neutral akg headphone. If I'm looking for a neutral headphone is there a reason to get any other akg headphone in that price range instead?

>>55673696
Used set of M50x

>>55674052
I would, but I'm not a fan of using used headphones :/

>>55673696
XPT100

>>55674291
Can I ask how to control the volume since there aren't many headphones with built-in analog controllers on them. I really don't like using the sound mixer in Windows cause it's shit and messes everything else up.

>>55674481
Two choices. Get an amp (which comes with a volume pot) which is preferable or an inline volume control.

>>55674569
What do you recommend for under 50 dollars? I've looked at amps, but I have no idea what I'm looking for.

>>55673364
Sennheiser HD 202 - these apply a lot of pressure at first but over time it lessens. You can stretch the headband using some books to speed up the process. Mine took about 6 months of 2 hours a day to loosen up
Monoprice DJ are also a good choice and come with removable cable

>>55666620
You should have gotten into music first.

Music can still sound amazing on cheap headphones. I know the M50 aren't exactly cheap, but they are in the range that most people wont miss the cash. Even so, I still get chills when I listen to some of my favourite tracks.

I know what I dislike about the M50, they are very narrow and in your head. They also tend to give me a headache (due to the clamp and weight), but when the right music comes on I don't really mind.

Good headphones should make your fav music even better, it won't magically make you want to listen to music.

>>55668088
I enjoy "critically listening" as in leaning back, closing my eyes and focusing. It's just so peaceful, and with the right song you get caught up in the beat, and the world just fades away. The world doesn't feel so bad while I'm doing that.

>>55672461
>Senn HE90
They don't weigh very much.

>>55674022
>I've heard the K612 is the most neutral akg headphone
It is,
>get any other akg headphone in that price range instead?
but why AKG in particular?
As for reasons, 612 has the lowest sensitivity of modern AKGs and no detachable cable.

>>55670840
The issue with Apple-Android control is that they are wired to different sections of the plug. A different wiring can solve that.

>>55674768
monoprice looks really good, sennheiser looks pretty good as well. I may go with the monoprice because the interchangeable cable sounds handy for further down the line

>>55638046
Are those better than MDRV6, Also what is the competition at that price range?

>>55675173
>why AKG in particular
I'm not just looking at AKGs, but the K7XX, K702, and Q701 are all pretty close to the same price, and I seem to see a lot more talk about those than the K612. I didn't know if there was some reason I should avoid it.

>>55675205
They're basically the same. I can't tell a difference between my MDR-V6 and my brother's MDR-7506.

>>55674651
anyone pls? im suffering here

>>55674651
If you cannot afford the basic e10k then I'd suggest looking at a CMoy or DIY mint tin amp.

>>55675506
I could, but damn, I was really hoping I didn't have to dish that out.

>>55675514
Then either get a mint tin amp or an inline volume control.

What's the best set of over ear isolation headphones I can buy from bestbuy?

>>55675532
Thank you. Really appreciate it.

>>55672558
I've been thinking about it, but I've been feeling that these cans are sagging way too much onto my ears, like they're too big for my head. and that might be a big factor for the discomfort as well.

>>55675291
>I seem to see a lot more talk about those than the K612.
This might just be my perception, but most posters who like the 612 are more experienced than not.

>>55675551
NAD HP50 or the PSB M4U1, via Magnolia. Sound is decent, but frame/pads are small.

Are sony's headphones any good?

I bought both the AKG K712 and the Philips X2 Fidelio and I can't fucking decide which one I want to keep. It's been a couple days now and I really don't know. Convince me either way /g/. They both sound too good

>>55677196
Depends on the model. Most are boomy crap but some are okay.

>>55677238
Why not just keep both?
Also, if one of them was to break, which headphone's breaking would you be more upset about?

Any one know if the XTY mic from the wiki will ever be back in stock? I bought some shitty Neweer microphone and it's kind of terrible.

>>55637922
>Wireless is frowned upon

For desktop use, sure, but I'm thinking about going with wireless the next time I'm buying headphones for my phone. I mean, it's not like like you're going to notice a fraction worse sound quality when listening to music on a phone anyways.

What are the reasons not to?

>>55678380
>fraction worse sound quality
Only if you're used to crap headphones. The loss of sound quality, sound stage, and the odd connectivity problem I wouldn't call that a "fraction worse." I often use my MA750s with a wireless adapter and the usual problem I run into (other than loss of sound quality which usually drives me to listen to podcasts and audiobooks instead of music) is the odd stuttering which I suspect is a buffer issue as it clears up after while though it might be a signal/interference issue.

>>55642799
Check the specs for your board, find the audio chipset. Then check the specs for that chipset.

>>55677238
If you think they are equal in sound then judge them based on comfort and build quality.

>>55637950
sennshill go back to r eddit

>>55677238
both are shit, sell them and get a AKG K702

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>>55675291
The K702 is the best AKG.

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I just found this at a thrift shop. worth anything?

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>>55679306
And this one

>>55679324
>>55679306
>sennheiser
shit belongs in the trash

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>>55679331
Rude. Also why?
This one too

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>Budget
under 250
>Location
USA. ideally able to buy from Best Buy, i get an employee discount.
>Source
Galaxy S5, PC with Creative Labs soundcard
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized over-ear. I'd like it to have all the bells an whistles ideally - i.e. detachable coiled cable, maybe a case, replaceable cups
>Open or closed
closed, i will probably listen to porn in them at some point and i don't live alone
>Comfort level
comfortable as possible i suppose.
>Preferred tonal balance
I have some shitty Sony Extra Bass headphones i bought because i wanted Bluetooth for the gym and didn't want to shell out for Bose. They're so bassy it makes my head hurt. So ideally something crisp, clear, warm, won't make my head hurt. don't know what else
>Past headphones
Sony Extra Bass Bluetooth
Klipsch R6i IEMs
Siberia V2 for le gaymen

>>55679346
That one is gaymen trash, and sennheiser is all veiled shit, if you want good poorfag headphones get the K240 or one of its chink clones

>>55679363
Just a tip: Never use closed headphones and watch porn when your not alone. Actually, don't use headphones at all when not alone.

>>55679405
simple remedy to that, it's called a lock

>>55679363
AKG K553 Pro
wait for them to come back to massdrop

>>55679405
i keep the side facing the door on my head.

>>55679426
i like.

does massdrop have them cheaper? looks like amazon in stock for 195

>>55679584
On massdrop they are $120

>>55679584
>>55679597
That is when they are on massdrop again.

>>55679597
>>55679612
do they usually restock often or is it kind of an if / when situation?

>>55645450
Yes. 70s budget headphones. they have big 8ohm paper-cone drivers inside, and no real attempt at any kind of acoustic design.

>>55660257
...nozzle....

>>55661281
>How much would a dac improve the sound from a pair of audio technica m50x's over the onboard sound through my motherboard?
none.
Unless you're getting noise on the mobo output, in which case an external DAC should avoid that problem.

>>55679401
The steelseries one can be mine for a pretty cheap $28 but
thanks for the tip anon. I'll definitely check it out

Has anyone tried the FSL Zn30 earbuds? I hear good reviews about them besides it being fragile.

>>55679656
they come on massdrop often

Has anyone here tried both the MDR CD900ST and the K701? which do you prefer?

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>Budget
~£200
>Location
U.K
>Source
Computer tower
>Preferred type of headphone
overear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
Not that important but they wil be used for long sessions
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral

First real good quality headphones
I need a long wire for my headphones, should i get a male-female extender or just a long wire?

>>55680892
K550

>>55680995
Those aren't really neutral and the sealing issues make it either bass light or V-shaped.

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I am poor af here is my battlestation/headphones.

>budget
Under 200 for both headphones and mic with stand, no room on desk for it to just sit there.
>location
US
>type
Over ear, maybe iems? Suggest either, id have to see how i like them comfortwise over a long period before i spend a good amount on a pair.
>source
Motherboard has some fancy onboard sound stuff no idea of its good, z97 classified.
>open or closed
Prefer open but doesn't really matter.
>comfort
Not uncomfortable.
>past headphones
Siberia v2s and shit turtle beach headsets.

Neither have to be amazing sound quality wise, all i do is play FPS, but im tired of my cheap headsets breaking all the time.

Thanks boys.

>>55681272
>poor
>mac
>beats
>battlestation
Sorry I had to

>>55681272
thanks for sharing

>>55681272
Why the fuck are you so zoomed in?

Any ideas for neutral headphones?

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ONE THOUSAND TIMES FOLDED

>>55681281
K7XX on massdrop sells for 200.
Fidelio X2 sometimes goes on sale for 200.

Both have pretty damn wide sound stage for fps, I own the X2 the explosions and sound effects sound pretty good on it.

It is pretty damn comfy and built like a tank, I can wear it for hours on end without any issues. It is a bit heavy however.

In FPS I can easily pin point where gunshots are coming from at quite a large distance.

HD598 is cheaper and has pretty good soundstage for FPS.

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Is it shit? It's pretty cheap

>>55681523
forgot to add you might need an external amp for the K7XX, the X2 and 598 work fine straight out of onboard.

>>55681523
Like i said, 200 for headphone and mic+stand.
I don't have space on my desk for a dac either.
Im mostly looking for something more durable and comfy than anything.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

>>55681592
check out the mod mic or vmoda boom pro they cost around $30 and have decent sound quality.

Vmoda + pair of headphones with a 3.5mm female jack works quite nicely.

Phillips SHP9500 + vmoda boompro combo might be within your budget.the 9500 has pretty wide sound stage.

Superlux 668bs are pretty cheap with decent soundstage but that is probably way below you desired budget level. I think they cost $60. Not sure how good they sound.

A lot of people say they are good budget headphones for gaming though, might want to look into it further.

>>55681673
Any idea on iems?
I can just use my old headset as a microphone, since it doesn't sound too bad.

>>55681709
No clue on IEMs, hopefully someone else can help you out with better advice.

>>55681338
I have terrible eye sight and it manifests its shittiness when I am first getting up in the morning.

>>55637922
complete noob to IEMs here. I'm just wondering what size of IEM tips to use?
I've tried small and can't hear much bass, and large can't hear anything around me.

>>55682470
>can't hear anything around me.
Welcome to the world of isolation. That's one of the points of getting IEMs or most closed headphones.

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>>55682597
>>55682597