/mkg/ - mechanical keyboards general

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Who wants some brobots?

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MEMES NEVER DIE

im tired of clears
whats a good fullsized keyboard with something lighter like cherry reds

>>55429337
put lighter springs in your clears
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs?mode=guest_open
except don't buy from here

$90-100
USA
Browns or reds
Ansi
full size, dedicated media keys are a nice bonus but FN+F keys for media keys is acceptable
white backlight, or no backlight, i don't care about RGB
horrible shitty keyboards, i've been buying the shitty $10-12 ones from target/best buy/walmart when i wear it out


currently looking at the logitech g610

>>55429393
I know you guys are pretty into this mechanical stuff, but at what point do you stop? When you convince yourself that you absolutely have to design your own switch molds for audiophile-like gains (i.e. nonexistent)?
It's just a keyboard, damn it.

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>>55429494
Quickfire XT.

>>55429510
>When you convince yourself that you absolutely have to design your own switch molds
If someone were to do that with a design that isn't mx-style or something else that already exists, that'd be pretty cool actually.

I don't know about audiophiles, but when it comes to keyboards modifications such as different keycaps, different springs, different backplate materials or even the exact same switch design (i. e. gateron vs. modern day cherry in terms of smoothness) from different companies can actually make a very obvious difference. Either in how it feels to use the keyboard, how it sounds, or how it looks (I haven't seen an artisan that releases smell upon keypress yet). If that's worth all the fuss about keyboards to you or if you're just fine with a cheap chinkboard with the stock laser-etched abs caps, that's up to you. But even someone with no understanding could notice the difference in a direct comparison.

Unless their fingers are dead, like that guy from the last thread.

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>>55429510
i'm the wrong person to defend mechanical keyboard faggotry, because i think it's retarded too, but i enjoy it

i think you just need to just keep in mind what is an industry/hobby for enthusiasts (autists) and what isn't

How are Gateron browns?

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>>55429510
there is always something new to try

the real autists are the people who get worked up over other people's hobbies

>>55430163
best switch

>>55429619
The RK-9000v2 is 20 dollars cheaper than the Quickfire XT and they're made by the same OEM company. I'm not sure what benefits the quickfire has besides having the input multiplier or whatever it's called that lets you spam shit.

After spending so much time on silencing my NT i feel like a Topre silencing master, AMA

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/g/ents I'm on the market for a new keyboard.

It must be:
>$100 or less (But i'm willing to spend more if I feel like it's justified)
>backlit
>roughly 75% (anything without a numpad)
>whatever switches are best for prolonged typing (I don't game)

Right now I'm looking at KBT Race II but I can't seem to find one for sale in Canada.

Any tips/suggestions are much appreciated.

Here are some tits for your trouble.

Never used a mechanical keyboard before so I don't know what switch I'd prefer although everyone I know praises blues. Are blues good for a beginner or should I go with reds?

Budget isn't an issue, all I ask for is dedicated media keys because I spend a lot of time doing music production.

>>55431105
I like browns for music production for easy doubletaps
But I also use a 60% so I have room for other peripherals on my desk

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>>55429637
>there is no space

>>55431161
Did 40% fags go too far?

Price range: 50-150€ (200 If it got a killer feature)
Country: Germany
Switches: Brown or clear
Size: 60%, fn key
Backlit: Would be nice, I can't really decide if it's worth it. What do you guys think about it (If I have to choose, that's a yes)
Previous: Chink stock keyboard that came with my second computer. Don't care about it.

What to do gods of /mkg/ ?

>>55431161
yes there is
http://atreus.technomancy.us/cheat

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>>55431320
Madness.

>>55431293
Forgot to add layout: ANSI pls

Well, I got a new package in from Clueboard with a replacement mounting plate and the caps he forgot to send the first time. Plate is still not quite right - it's just a little too wide. I think I can modify it this time, though - seems like it's just a little notch in the way.

>>55431293
>>55431495
no backlit (better keycaps, cheaper):
https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Keycaps-Cherry-Mx-Clear/dp/B00OFM6F80

backlit:
https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-coating-Keycaps-Mx-Clear/dp/B014T4PK0M/

if you'd prefer a plastic case to aluminum, go with a kbv60 or something

>>55431596
First one looks very comfy, thanks for the advise ツ

>>55429224
>Guy gets banned from our discord for TAK TAK TAKKAKAKAK TAK TAK TAK

TAKAKAKAK TAK TAK

Just coming in here to say you're cancer if you buy a loud piece of shit.

thinking about buying a noppoo choc mini with browns

Are they any good?

>>55431716
You're blaming keyboards for something that's clearly the fault of the microphone ;)

Anyone know any alternatives to the KBT Race II?

>>55431716
gotta be pretty simple for shit like that, everyone in my channel has a mech, makes a little noise but who gives a fuck

what do you guys think about the steel series apex m500

>>55429224
Where can I find that filing cabinet on the left with the stickers?

>>55431087
God damned dude, i have a very sensitive ears and i fucking hate NT's noise. Where should i start?

>68 key
>can't swap Caps and Fn

why

>>55432439
You need to buy 2 pieces of black pads from elitekeyboards (cheap and take a lot of time, inconsistent sound) or hypersphere's Topre rings (pretty expensive, easy to install, consistent sound) and very thick silicon grease.

trying to choose between an HHKB keyboard, or a pok3r keyboard. help me out

>>55433275
do you want cherry switches or topre switches?
do you want an aluminum case or plastic case?
do you want a standard layout or doesnt matter?

>>55433358
this would be my first mechanical keyboard, so idk really much about the switches. The brows and clears seem nice to me tho. and aluminum casing seems cool

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>>55433275
even though i dislike the backspace placement, the HHKB is miles better than the Pok3r layout

>>55431568
THIS BAG OF SWITCHES MARKED "70" ONLY HAS 53 MATIAS QC INSIDE

IT'S JUST FUCKUP AFTER FUCKUP

>>55433536
http://xahlee.info/kbd/idiocy_of_happy_hacking_keyboard.html

Is this a bad choice? I have a full size one now, but really would like a smaller one for my desk. I'm not sure how hard it would be to adjust to it though.

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1486

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How can anyone not pick clears over anything is beyond me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_4ngJzKY_s

>>55435299
>what are preferences

>>55433275
pok3r told everyone to fuck themselves literally 0 availability with no ETA

>>55435254
seems good but I would recommend the magicforce aswell.

>>55435314
Do you think Cherry got raided by mooseloms?

>>55435299
I find them too stiff for video games or anything else that requires you to hold them down for any significant time.

I do use them at work though.

ducky one for €135 (in europe)
should i?
it's my first mech, and i can choose mx browns or blue

>inb4 they're both shit
looks like eurpoors don't get anything else, and i'm not going to spend more than €150

noppoo mini 10 keyless best buy that I ever made for a keyboard.

>Budget
£150
>Location (continent at least)
UK
>Preferred switch type
Red
>Layout
ISO
>Form factor
Full
>Backlight
No

>>55438331
filco

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What do you guys think of the Drevo Gramr 84-Key? It looks like the Noppoo Choc Mini but it is backlit and uses Outemu switches. I think the cord is also detachable.

Just got my hands on some Gateron tactile clears, aka. Zealios. Is this a fucking joke? These things are nowhere near as good as people claim them to be. They aren't horrible, but not even close to being worth 0,75 a piece, or even 1$.
I swear to god, the more hyped switches I try, the worse they get. At least they were cheap and still much better than orange Alps.

Put some o-rings on my MX Browns Daskeyboard. Makes this shitty switch feel a bit better.

>>55439896
>still much better than orange Alps.
lel, anything is better than alps orange
zeals are horribly overhyped and overpriced

you should try some gateron browns

>>55439929
>using O-rings ever
What are you doing here?

>>55439950
I use this keyboard at work and I wanted to reduce the bottom out sound.

Some of us have jobs, senpai.

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>>55439991
yeah
post work keyboards

>>55439943
I'm pretty happy with Cherry ergo-clears actually, just hoped gateron/the hype would deliver for once. Maybe at some point I'll try their browns, but for the moment I'm happy with what I've got and am hopeing that some lube will rescue the Zealios. If not, I'll just go ahead and use regular clears with their clear upper housing, that doesn't seem to bad at least.

>>55439943
I think you're sponsored by makers of both Gaterons and brown paint.
Stop shilling 10 times per thread!

https://www.amazon.com/Varmilo-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Sublimation/dp/B01GHNK724/ref=sr_1_55?ie=UTF8&qid=1467811523&sr=8-55&keywords=gateron

I kind of want to order this but

>Ships from and sold by Ray from Bene (Benemate is your good friend).

>>55440044
yeah need more people shilling mx clears

>>55439896

>any cherry-based switch being better than ALPS
that's the real joke here, even black ALPS feel better than zealios

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I'm anon that posted pic related some time ago

long story short I found this kb-6151 in old storage room

finaly agot it home today and it turns out it's fried (probably one of integrated circuts but not sure)

is there any value I can get out of it orher than desoldering switches?

>>55440155

clean it up and buy a soarer's converter to use it with USB

blue ALPS are among the best clicky switches around

>>55440183
>finaly agot it home today and it turns out it's fried (probably one of integrated circuts but not sure)

>>55440196

why do you think it's fried? a teensy can act as the controller, but chances are you just don't have the right adapters

>>55440085
I don't think that Alps are onjectively better than Cherry, but then again I'm pretty weird. I prefer Matias QC to every other tactile Alps switch, dislike Topre and it seems like I prefer Cherry MX Clear over Zealios.
>>55440040
Just tried lubing them a little and it seems that saves the switch for me. Hooray!

>>55440196
>>55440209
Or if you don't want to spend 20$ on a Teensy, Arduino Pro Micro is a great 3.5$ alternative.

>>55440209
I got 5pin-ps2 adapter, and random keys on the keyboard(numpad and function keys) make diodes light up when pressed

>>55440085

I agree. ErgoClears too comfy tho.

>>55440155

Clean it up a bit and blow all the dust out and take good pictures of it and the switches. Throw it up on ebay with Blue ALPS in the title. Youll shit your pants at how much it goes for.

>>55440248

the pin-out doesn't matter if your adapter isn't made for the right protocol/matrix

that switch on the back toggles this somewhat, but it still has to output XT protocol

>>55440040
i've got a bag of ergo clears waiting for a massdrop board, which i unfortunately ordered with zeals

i might just order more gateron browns though

>>55440044
no

have you guys heard of gateron browns

>tfw no greens

>>55440296
Did you try lubing those motherfuckers? If it wasn't for the keywobble i'd consider them worth the 75ct when lubed.

>>55440275
tried different positions of switch and kb does exactly same thing

are gateron browns that much better than cherry? cherry browns kind of suck in my opinion.

how about gateron reds?

i want a lighter switch keyboard, but not really sure which direction to go yet.

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>Budget
$100
>Location (continent at least)\
USA
>Preferred switch type
Browns
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
60% or TK (prefer 60% tbqh)
>Backlight
not priority but nice if it has some
>Previous/current keyboards
Logitech K120 and Dell Keyboard

Budget - £200
Location - UK
Switch Type - Brown
Layout - ISO
Form factor - 100%
Backlight - Doesn't matter

>>55439846
Thanks, that's absolutely perfect.

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Which is better, Ducky One TKL w/ Blue LED or Keycool 84 PBT? Both in my price range but don't know which is my best option

>>55440357
yes
cherry has been using the same molds for too long and they rough as fuck

>>55436848

After about a month searching for info and stores, there's no better option for me than a Ducky One either. Ordered one with MX blues.

Also getting it on a discount price. 112 euros.

>>55440275
can anyone confrim this anon?

kb si lighting up different lock diodes with numpad and function keys, position of the AT/XT doesent seem to matter

I have 5pin/ps2 adapter

colored key caps piss me off
tiny keyboards too

>>55440853
I don't like fun either.

can someone offer an opinion on this pls >>55440686

>>55440883
Ducky One keyboards are solid, but I heard those blue LEDs can fail early.

>>55440891
>LEDs can fail early
I was going to just use them on occasion. The height bothers me on the duck one or are my eyes just wrong?

>>55440960
The height of what? The keys? I think it's pretty standard for mech keyboards like that.

>>55441022
nvm I was wrong. Can I swap the case for it for something aluminium?

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Is Pulse the comfiest set /mkg/?

>>55439846

I got a filco for $67 on ebay last week. So excited LMAO. Probably gonna get gateron tactile clears for it. Its my first filco. Ive owned a few quickfire rapids with various cherry and more recently gateron switches. I find them to be the best value keyboard money can buy besides the TG3 BL82/Data911. Excited to see if the venerable Filco is actually such.

>>55441231

maybe if comfiest means reddit/assdrop flavor of the month to you

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>>55441231
no

Left my window open whilst I was out and it rained. Now my keyboard won't take any inputs how fucked is it?

>>55441358

you had a chance with silica gel before you plugged it in, but you pretty much screwed 90% of that chance over

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>>55441358

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Talk me out of it /mkg/.

>>55441485
It was already plugged in.

>>55441529
I'd prefer this Japanese layout if that enter bar wasn't fucked.

>>55441529

NO! I got a 55g 87U JIS on the way from a friend NIB. I miss my RF I cant wait.

>>55441699
It's the enter from the superior layout, you disgusting burger.

>>55441721

no

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>>55441721
nah iso is fucking garbage

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>>55441757
>>55441783
>supporting retarded american layout
>on the asian asian cartoon screengrab sharing forum
You fags don't know where you are. You better shut the fuck up or me and my boys get this thread to bump limit in no time. Then we'll see which layout is superior.

>>55441837
it's so easy and fast to press enter on ANSI only retarded yuropoors have issues
look at this
look
how
easy
it
is
you can't do that, can't even come close

>>55441721
I'm in Oceania.

The whole fucking purpose of an hhkb is to save space. An ISO enter key does not save space. It does not need to be that big.

>>55441878
>has issues with iso enter
>complains about other people having issues with ansi enter
If you're having enter problems I feel bad for ya, son.
I got 99 mistypes but enter ain't one.

cuz it's big, get it?

>>55441916
Okay, genius, change the fucking layout right now. Let's change that ISO enter on that keyboard to ANSI enter. We have to move one key to all the free space you'll be getting.
You now have a choice:
1) Huge closed bracket/brace key
2) Normal closed bracket/brace key and one extra key?

Trick question, those are both retarded.

What is /mkg/'s opinion on the Filco Majestouch 2? My budget was $100 but I might expand it to $130 if the keyboard is worth it over the DUcky One TKL

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I must be cursed with bad luck, which in the end results in great luck. Let me blog about my mechanical keyboard purchases.

First story - I ordered a set of ISO Nordic pbt keycaps from corus-kb's site. 3 months later, they hadn't arrived, and they didn't reply to any of my emails, support messages, facebook messages etc. So I made a paypal dispute, which they didn't reply to - and then I got a refund. Couple weeks later, they arrived - after I had ordered it again from Amazon. Gave one set to a friend.

Second story - ordered a set of keycaps from ukkeycaps - it arrived pretty quickly and the communication was great. Then a week later, it arrived again. I did send the second set back to them, cause they were bros.

Third story - ordered a UK layout Novatouch from amazon, with shipping guaranteeing its arrival 3 days later. A week went by, so I emailed amazon support, and they refunded my shipping cost. Some more days went by, and I emailed them again, and they refunded the whole thing with lots of apologies.
And now it just arrived. I did order the same keyboard again from another site two days ago, hopefully my cancellation of that order goes through before they ship it.

Everything in the world of mechanical keyboards comes double it feels like.

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>>55442031
ok, so why is iso better
why is rotating the enter key 90° making it further away from home row better?

speaking of the JIS layout, why the hell didn't they put the ]} where the ANSI backslash is
that would have made so much more sense
literally no reason why JIS should have an ISO enter key.

at least in some ISO layouts you can pretend you're putting a more frequently used key there.

>Budget
100-150€
>Location (continent at least)
Finland
>Preferred switch type
MX Clear
>Layout
ISO, preferably with FI/SWE layout or at least German layout
>Form factor
Tenkeyless
>Backlight
Definitely no.
>Previous/current keyboards
literally 15€ K120

>>55440827
anyone?

are dampening rings a no-go?

>>55444306
do you want to decrease the sound of the switches slightly and/or decrease how far you push down the keys?
if not, then yes

>>55442147
lucky fucker

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>Bought R65 RGB
>Red switches
>This gon b gud
>Typo every time
>Always press "A" accidentally when playing, because it's too light

>>55441783
where can i get that keyboard

>>55444693
I have that problem too coming from Cherry Blacks. My fingers got tired playing games with blacks though, especially my pinky that's holding down shift all the damn time.

I might try brown switches, maybe I wouldn't fuck up my typing as much and they'd still be light.

>>55444828
Have you tried Gateron yellows? They're lighter than blacks but heavier than reds.
I'm considering them, since I'm a bit afraid of blacks being too heavy.

>>55444948
Nope. I've had the Cherry black switches for a few years and then bought a Magicforce with Gateron reds. The Magicforce is defective though, so I'm sending it back.

Considering my options now, I might look into those yellows though, it might be a nice compromise if they're in-between red and black.

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>>55444713
nowhere
because i made it

https://youtu.be/LfyOs694lpU
>buys shittons of vintage keyboards
>poor
>can't touch type

Why do people like this exist?

>>55444530
And I just successfully cancelled my second order of the novatouch. Feels weird to type on a free keyboard man.

>>55445020
>i made it
>uses a bought pcb
shoo shoo tripfag

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>>55445042
well if you want to get fucking autistic about it

nobody makes their own plates switches or controllers

>>55445062
>sucking black cocks
you win this round

>>55444948
>>55445015
I can't find any keyboards for sale with yellow switches.

>>55445178
I don't know of any. I'm planning on using them in my custom keyboard, which is why I asked.

How are Outemu clones?

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>>55445178

like these?

Somebody just listed two IBM model M keyboards on Craigslist near me for $25 each

Should I buy?

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>>55445357
i think he means these?

>>55445393

definitely yes unless they're busted up 122s

Can someone that has XP with TMK please help me? I'd happily donate a few $ to the paypal of someone who can. Can't seem to progress any further...

>>55445062
Black, ABS and sucking

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new tkl

>>55446357
Where did you get those Debian keys?

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>>55445959
>XP

>>55446651
I was being lazy and couldn't be bothered to type experience. I also was thinking of what game to play too.

Regardless of that. My main issues are that my TMK firmware does not work on my Windows Desktop, it only works on my mac. The space bar doesn't work either.

All wired. no idea what is happening.

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>>55429224
Nice collection there m8

I've got a Model F 107 and a full size industrial model M on the way

>>55446776
Oh wait, you didn't mean the OS? Jesus.

You need to provide substantially more information on your board.

>>55446858
I love the look of the industrial SSK.
If only it wasn't ~$1000.

>>55446906

yea, would have to be nuts to pay that for a membrane ibm

>>55446930
Nah not really, it's bolt modded and it looks great. Definitely worth $1000 - to me at least.

>>55446944

bolt modding is only a necessity from the cheap plastic rivet construction.

most quality boards don't need it, there's just an abundance of model ms. you're paying for the color alone.

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just got my ducky one white & grey cherry red along with a 10 foot braided usb cable today.

so far, loving it!

>>55446999
Not really, my 2 other model M's have all plastic rivets in tact and the bolt modded ISSK feels much nicer.
I bought something that was so rare I'd likely never have another chance to buy one. If you want to think of it as just another coloured IBM then alright, but that isn't the reason they sell at such a high price.

>>55446897
Here are some photos of the underside and topside...

http://imgur.com/a/Ulcbh

And the code...

Keymap_poker.c
http://pastebin.com/T4kLEcM4

Keymap_common.h
http://pastebin.com/dfBZZMjW

matrix.c
http://pastebin.com/P7Z0dmc4

>>55447010
Cute
Do you really need that numpad tho?

>>55441529
I honestly don't know why spacebars are so fucking big to begin with, so I have no issues with this layout. Where can I buy one?

>>55447083
Are the spacebar pins touching the controller? Wondering if anything is shorting out.

Did you customise the code at all, or pull from an existing project?

>>55447169
https://www.amazon.com/PFU-Keyboard-Professional-Capacitance-non-contact/dp/B001KWJTD6

>>55447199
No white version?

>>55447180
Here is where I got the code https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard


The pins lay under the USB cable end and the teensy has insulating tape to cover the bottom from shorts.

>>55447259
I know the TMK repo URL, I'm asking if you modified any of the files before building and writing the firmware.

>>55447199
Get this crap out of here it's not mechanical

>>55447259
I've also tried swapping out the switch and the diode.

>>55447284
Oh right. Yes I have

I modified the above three files. Obviously to add my pin outs, and map the keyboard layout

>>55447294
Anti-Toprefags are just as bad as Toprefags.

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>>55447294
get fugged loser

>>55446526
>debian keys
>keys
those are clearly stickers, anon.
https://www.unixstickers.com/tag/debian

>>55447307
>Oh right. Yes I have
Is there no pre-existing ISO 60% project you can use, so that you can eliminate the code being the problem?

>>55447325
you never will

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>>55447344

>>55447325
>tfw already have a white HHKB
>tfw want a HHKB Type-S

>>55447331
I've not been able to find anything anywhere.

https://www.google.com/#q=メカニカルキーボード

Doing a quick Google search, it looks like mechanical keyboard options for the Japanese are limited to Filco, localized Corsair/Logitech boards, and Topre/HHKB. I know PC gaymin isn't exactly huge over there, but I'm glad we have such a bloated market.

>>55447396
Every Japanese gamer uses a HHKB.

>>55447437
>Japanese PC gamer
??

>>55447437
Topre sucks for gaming.

>>55447451
エロゲ

>>55447331
>>55447373
And the issue is that I've most likely wired it differently to how people have. Both pinout and the fact that my enter is on Row 3

>>55447457
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>55447166
yes

>>55447463
So it works fine on your mac except for the space bar, and doesn't work at all on your PC?

How did you build and flash the firmware?

>>55447527
The Caps button doesn't work, the "#" key writes as a "\" despite it being mapped as "NUHS"

And the spacebar doesn't work

On the PC it doesn't work, it mongs it out, requiring a re-start to restore it to normal.

I used makefile on git bash to compile it. I flashed it using teensy's provided software, Just load the .hex file and done.

>>55447199
I want this keyboard so bad but I know I'd have the buyer's remorse spending that much

just bought a happy hacking lite

can't wait

i'm finally japanese

>>55448190
man. I'm sorry.

>>55447354
Whats the problem? just buy hypersphere rings and silence it by yourself

>>55448190
>happy hacking lite
is that even topre?

or did you just pay $60+ for a less functional rubberdome

>>55447354
also this http://www.cmstore.eu/spare-parts/peripherals/novatouch-tkl-stem-set/
and swap the stems

>>55448224
No it's not Topre>>55448190

What's a HHKB Type S? Different switches?

>>55429271
Yeah I'll take one

>>55448249
S denotes silent model

https://discord.gg/ZgyU6

>>55448249
Silenced and longer stems.

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just ordered this (Deck Francium, Non-Backlit, MX Brown) how poorly did I do for my 1st MK

>>55448899
you should have got a $300 HHKB

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>>55448899
just get some good keycaps and rock it.

>>55448899
as quick as you can, cancel the order, and then order it with a different switch that isn't awful

Hey /mkg/ if you had the choice to get a magicforce (kailh black) or wait for a VA68m (any gateron) what would you do?

>canadian

>>55449123
wait

The only Cherry switches worth it are clear and green.

>>55449123
get the gaterons

>>55449049
Eh, I kinda prefer the feel of blues but will probably be too loud for the area and will play a fair bit of CS:GO so the press and release difference might be too much

>>55449123

get something else on aliexpress with gaterons

>>55449462
clears

>>55449522
The only options they had were red or brown, I haven't seen many clear options recently. The board was only $90 the other TKL options were $150+

>>55449637

send it back

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/87-keys-mechanical-keyboard-TKL-tenkeyless-gaming-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-blue-red-87-compact/32285359058.html

Help me understand /mkg/
I really like minimalist keyboards like >>55449011
But then I see stuff like >>55447325
can someone explain to me how some of the keys have 3 functions and how thats used

in the case of the latter keyboard why is the control in place of the caps key and the caps an alternative function of the tab key.

>>55450011
hold fn
all of the 60% keyboards have function layers

>>55450011
The Fn key enables the third thing on each key. Like Fn+1 = F1.

The Caps gets replaced by Control of Caps on those boards because it's far more convenient. You don't hit Caps Lock enough to warrant using it on that position on the board.

>>55450297
>Caps gets replaced by Control of Caps

replaced by Control or Fn, rather

Found a slightly used Model M walking the dead halls of IBM yesterday, and found another today, and of course im going to check the recycling area in a different building again tomorrow. If I clean them up how much should I sell them for?

is a Novatouch a good topre board?

>>55450906
Yes.

>>55450906

>good
>rubber dome

>>55450906

Yep its smaller than the realforce. Still got good build not as high as the RF but its cheaper. Plus its got the cherry stems in standard layout to set it apart.

>>55450906
Yeah, you can buy Type heaven for the same money, but you won't have a lot of choice when it'll come to change keycaps (both Type heaven and NT have crap stock keycaps).

>>55451313
You can buy a barebones NT for $150 direct from Cooler Master.

Nice and cheap keyboards? like 50 dlls or so

>>55451643
>Nice and cheap keyboards?
nope

one or the other

>>55451680
fuck it, im buying a logitech one

>>55451643
My keyboard says please and thank you.

>>55451562
Type heaven costs 153$ on Amazon

>>55451720

what you get for not reading the threads

>>55451720
enjoy using a shit keyboard

>>55450906
I ordered one that just arrived yesterday, been using it for a bit now.
It's different. My other keyboard is a MX Blue, and the Novatouch feels about the same weight, but pretty sure it bottoms out quicker. The bottom out thud is very deep and very pleasant.
I think I prefer my blues. The tactile bump of the blues is just so good, and the topre switch doesn't seem nearly as responsive. It feels exactly as you'd expect a rubber dome to feel - initial resistance, then essentially linear after the point. I prefer the actual tactile bump. Which is why I'm gonna get clears for my next board.
If you have the money to throw at it for experimenting with different switches etc. go for it. Personally I wouldn't say it's worth the price tag - fortunately I got it for free.

>>55451767

DELEEETE THIS BAD GOYIM

>>55451767
what kind of thought out opinion is this

dedicate many hours a day to call topre a meme, or get out

>>55451767
>>55451882
>>55452005
>>55450906

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0zNSEKK9e4n

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0lzWaU0ghlF

>>55452005

Plus he didnt even try glorious 55g. The novatouch not being released in 55g was the biggest disappointment to me.

>Budget
$150
>Location (continent at least)
NA
>Preferred switch type
not sure, maybe reds
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
CM quickfire (blues), pok3r 2 (clears) (current)

>>55447166
fuck off
>willingly reducing functionality of your keyboard

>>55452309
Why have it if I don't use it?

>>55452309
I like having a numpad, but I like having it to the left of my keyboard instead of to the right, so I can have my mouse closer to the part of the keyboard I use more often.
So I just have a separate 24-key macropad to the left of my keyboard programmed like a numpad in one layer and with macros in another layer.

>>55452309
why don't you need two of every other key too then?

200% keyboard new meme

Hey Mkg guys

Any switches that are light and quiet. Kinda like browns but maybe quieter? New to this stuff

thanks

>>55452387
Topre.

>>55452387
try using a decent switch, then maybe the feeling will actually make the experience worth the noise

anyway, my lubed zealios are just as quiet if not quieter than a laptop keyboard

>>55452436
Who started the meme that topres are mechanical?

>>55451643
Magicforce 68

>>55452466
topre

>>55452466
Pretty sure they did themselves.

>>55452446
its not the level of satisfaction with the noise, its the fact that there is noise. I have roomates and I stay up late.
>>55452466
If topres aren't mechanical: what do i do

~120 US
US
blue or black
ANSI
100% full keys
backlit preferred
first mechanical, looking for new one to last me a good while

>>55452516
rubber dome is the perfect switch for you

should feel better than those mx browns too

>>55452568
Ok but whats a mechanical switch that is about as loud as not mechanical rubber domes.

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Would you recommend either of these: Noppoo Choc Mini 84 or KB Paradise v60 Mini?

I'm looking for a keyboard with Gateron black switches. Preferably TKL. Any other recommendations would be great.

>>55452642
why does it need to have a certain buzzword for you to buy it. if it feels good and your find the sound of it to be acceptable, then buy it.

get topre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnccjYX2ItI

if this is too loud for you, then don't use a mechanical keyboard

>>55452681
yes, buy it
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1484

What does /g/ think?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/All-New-Magicforce-Crystal-108-Key-Baclit-USB-Wired-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Gateron-Switches/32667970090.html?spm=2114.01010108.3.226.wJaGX0&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_2_10017_301_407_406,searchweb201603_2&btsid=240f8d5c-f78c-488d-91ae-52b5237020d8


For $90 it seems good to me. Im looking for an entry level 108-key.

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>>55452947

>>55452969
Yeah thats why I decided to ask here. i no speak broken ingrish.

What are some good entry level mechanical keyboards without LEDs?

>Budget
Less than $75. Cheaper is better
>Location (continent at least)
SEA
>Preferred switch type
MX Red
>Layout
>Form factor
Full
>Backlight
None/non-configurable blue
>Previous/current keyboards
Some genius Keyboard

>>55452642

Geta V60 or V80 with quiet click switches.

>>55429224
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE POK3R RGB. WHERE IS IT I NEED IT. I NEED IT

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Just got a G80 with MX Blacks from the flea market, it's in pretty rough shape but I just want the keycaps anyway

>>55439896
nah thats how i felt too brah, going to be selling the rest I have and going full Topre

>>55439896
they sound meh too compared to topre

Guys, so HPHK, KBC and KBP is out of the option for me, even shopping online because of the ridiculous amount of tax for online goods here. I'm left with the option for the Ducky Shine 5 and Ducky Legend.

Which one is better? I honestly think the Legend with the black layout is better but everyone is bitching on how the Ducky 5 is perfect, I mean i don't fucking care about RGB but just the quality. Thoughts?

Holy fuck, sometimes I forget how shitty stock keyboards are

qb you got any customs??

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>Have to choose between a Korean Gon or a HHKB Japanese Type-S

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>>55454916
like what
all you need is a soldering iron and you can make your own

>>55456658
just buy both

>>55454608
I actually prefer the sound of every switch I've tried so far, with the exception of orange Alps, to unsilenced Topre. That includes tactile gaterons. I think silenced should be way better, but since I disliked Topre as a whole I got no interest in trying it again, I'd also need a HHKB type S+55g domes and I don't want to drop that kind of money on an experiment.
Experimented a little with my tactile Clears/Zealios, turns out they are pretty Ok with Cherry bottom housings and a little lube. Nothing too special though. Matias QC are still my favorite.

>>55456658

Why is this even something to consider? Obviously the GON

>>55456876
What is this hot new gateron meme?

>>55457369
Gateron tactile clears.
A limited edition meme that's out of stock.

>>55457369
I don't know either. As I said, I'm not impressed. It's true that Cherry MX aren't as good as they used to be and Gaterons are better ootb, but once you mod them (like 95% of the Zealios buyers) they are pretty much the same. One has more keywobble, the other one is a little less tactile. However their bottom housing sucks worse than my childhood. I don't know how people can defend this shit, on the other hand they also tolerate some of the most annoying sperglords I've ever seen in my entire life, so I guess the mech community is a little weird overall.

>>55457465
It's not. Zeal always wants WKL to get out of stock, since he hopes to this day that Gateron stops doing business with him, but he always gets new stock.
http://winkeyless.kr/product/gateron-switch-pcb-mounted/
I don't think Gateron tactile clears are the meme, but Zealios. GTC are pretty ok actually, since they are at least rather cheap. Zealios on the other hand are expensive and essentially the same shit.

>>55457498
what's wrong with the bottom housing?

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>>55457592
AIDS/10

>>55457592
take the novelty caps off you meme

>>55457548
You got some Gateron browns around I guess, maybe even some Zealios? Take a stem of the Gateron switch and place it in the Cherry bottom housing, press the key (I'd recommend to not bottom out since it is more obvious that way) and compare it with a regular Gateron.
I'm probably a turbo autist for being bothered by it that much, but that slight metallic "slurping" during the upstroke and the very slight ping during downstroke drives me fucking nuts.I highly prefer the more muffled sound of the cherry bottom housing.
>>55457592
pretty standard, but I'd use if it wasn't ISO. 5/10

>>55457614
>tripfag
>calls others memes
wewlad, here is your (You)

Lads, how would you rate MX Black Switches?

>>55457651
>here is your (You)
thank you friendo

>>55457667
scratchy

get gateron blacks

>>55457675
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>55457642
ill try that i guess, i've never noticed it though.

the zeal/TC wobble drives me crazy though.

>>55457689
>not using superior carat unicorn

>>55456687
>>55456877
Actually I just realized I might as well buy a couple Japanese music CDs and the Japanese Type-S HHKB at the same time, saving me some money on shipping.

>>55457713
That's probably why you prefer Topre over Matias QC as well? Personally I'm not that disturbed by a little keywobble, but I have to say, the one redeeming feature of Topre (for me) was the basically nonexistent keywobble. Hated nearly everything else, but that was actually pretty nice.

>>55457667
60cN and linear.

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>>55457642
I can see what you mean actually, the sound is pretty different

>>55457803
i guess
matias is just unbearable how much it wobbles

>>55457883
I knew I wasn't crazy. I don't know how bad it is with the clear lower housing, since mine are the black ones, but I dislike that so much.
>>55457884
Sometimes I feel that way as well, especially when I still owned and used the Topre from time to time. I guess it just takes some time getting used to it, but I'm at the point where I don't even notice that anymore. But maybe it's due to my SA-keycaps as well. I feel like those helped a lot, they are pretty rare though, at least where I'm from.

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>>55457972
wait what
SA only makes wobble worse
a lot worse

>>55458018
The print looks terrible

>>55458018
I think it's due to me hitting the keys more in the center or something. The wobble itself (when brushing over the keys) is pretty much the same as on OEM.

>>55458043
good for you

>>55458065
not in my experience
it was extremely bad with zealios

>>55457972
I don't notice it on my board with Zealios, because they are all lubed, and it really changes the noise. But if they weren't I think it would really bother me.

>>55458018
do find the gateron/zealio wobble acceptable on cherry profile? or is it really with SA keycaps when it bothers you?

>>55458088
Well I'm speaking of Matias, but to be fair keywobble can't get much worse, no matter the profile.

I'm looking for a well-made keyboard. Simple design, as little branding as possible, preferably made in a first-world country. Black or grey.

I'm not sure about switches. I'm thinking greens or clears. I like a serious switch. Why is this so hard to find?

a WASDv2 was the closest I found (not gonna use their cheap keycaps) but it's expensive and apparently not very well-made.

I just want a Model F with a modern layout and a super key. Why is that so hard to ask. I wan't a ten-pound monster.

around the 100$-ish pricerange.

Daily reminder I NEED CLICKITY CLACKITY KEYS TO BE A REAL GAYMER XD

>>55458179
>I'm looking for a well-made keyboard. Simple design, as little branding as possible, preferably made in a first-world country. Black or grey.

HHKB.

>>55458266
non-standard layout and I don't like topres

>>55458266
>>55458285
also not 100$

>>55458258
Yeah that's cool, but it means nothing without LED backlight in SIXTEEN MILLION COLORS. I usually set the backlight to red so I could type faster but after watching an asapscience video on youtube (yes, I'm a gamer AND an intellectual, you got a problem with that?) I became really conscious of the environment so now I use green backlight to save energy. When it gets really hot I set it to blue to cool down a bit.

>>55458314
nice thanks for the tips so i can go pro now

>>55458179
>preferably made in a first-world country
Wewlad.

>>55458435
no made in china/vietnam/indonesia/korea/india/bangladesh or any of that low-class wasteland/

>>55458179

why not get a Model F AT or 122 and use a soarers converter to set a key as super?

I do it with my early 70s beamsprings even, works great

>>55458461
>made in a first-world country
>greens or clears
>100$

You're either baiting or just stupid. Either way you can go fuck yourself.

>>55458478
has nothing similar been made with a modern layout?
how does this happen? It's been decades since this keyboard was released, and it has a cult following. Why doesn't anyone try to make a modern version?

>>55458519

well there's modelfkeyboards.com , but it still uses the Kishsaver layout and costs $350+

>>55458179
http://www.pckeyboard.com/

>>55458540
are these prices for real
What the hell is this nonsense

>>55458542
cheaply made

>>55458461
Why the low budget then?

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>>55458615
yeah well your limit is $100 you fucking idiot
poorfags can't be choosers

What's the best place to buy custom cables? Pref in Europe. Considering Pexon is down and all, it'd be nice to have a quicker alternative.
I need colours to match the miameme caps.

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Well I got a cherry brown switch keyboard and I have to say that brown switches are shit in my opinion. They're pretty much scratchy reds, I thought they would be quiet blues. Now I have to go through Amazon's refund bullshit.

>>55458718
what did you expect?

>>55458718
you should have listened anon

>>55458718

go for matias quiet click or mx clear if you want better tactile feel without more noise

>>55458992
I don't care too much about noise so I'm getting blue switches.

>>55458461
Every electronic in the world is made in either china, korea or taiwan.

Whats better the Ducky Channel Shine 5 or the Cosair K70?

>>55459413
ducky

>>55459427
explain

>>55458461
You just named the countries that mostly make electronics. Is this bait or are you just an idiot?

>>55458678
I can push above 100$ but not 350$ that's just fucking stupid.

>>55458623
because 350$ is crazy as fuck

>>55459684
>mostly
I'm asking for something that isn't like most things. I want something that isn't a piece of steaming-fresh bullshit.

>>55459610
it's better

but you shouldn't get either of them. you are going to be sacrificing quality for muh gaymer lights

>>55445023
I don't see the problem? A video like this would be cool if I was looking to buy a specific vintage keyboard

>>55459713
>Hurr GaiZZzzzz I have a Budget of $100 BUCKer00s Taell me How Can I have Good Keyboard Quality lelelelelelelelelel xDDDDDDD

Poorfags sure are delusional.

Are HHKB's suitable for gaming? Or is it a really bad idea for me to buy one.

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>>55459713
Get a model F, model M or an AEK. The AEK II I used to have was made in Ireland.

Greens or clears at that budget is absurd. Your best guess would be the cooler master that's currently on assdrop.

>>55460015
see
>>55459689

>Hurr GaiZZ I have Nnoooo Ideaaaaaaaaaaaa Wh4t ThE FxCK is goinng Onnnnnn LOLOLOLOLOLerleleleleleoleoleoleol!!11!!!1!!one!!!!!12!!1!!!!11!1!1!!!eleven!!!!!1!!!!!one!!!!!onehundredandeleventhousandonehundredandeleven!!!!!1!!1111!111!1!!!1!!!!!

Fuck off :)
There's a big difference between 100$ and 350$
Even 200 would be fine

how long do i have to use mx blacks before they become vintage blacks?

>>55460045
why not? anything you can type with you can game with

what do people here not understand about this

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>>55460045
Depends on what you play. I game on it all the time and I love the control key position for Insurgency. If you play something that uses the f-keys a lot I'd consider something else than a 60%

>>55460083
200 bucks changes the ballpark quite a bit. Now you just need to get over your delusion of having something that's not made in Asia.

>>55460147
Japan is okay. Nowhere else in asia. What's more fitting at around 200?
(Up to 200)

>>55460096
Didn't feel like a stupid question at the time but considering i used rubber dome keyboards for gaming for ages it does seem silly now
>>55460147
Didnt even consider that but I dont think its much of an issue, thanks for response.

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>>55458691
bumpti

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>>55460183
Filco is a Japanese brand, but I think the OEM is in Taiwan.

The only option that I'd know of that's made in Japan would be Topre keyboards. At least my HHKB says "made in japan" on the back.

You could also just drop your ridiculous ideas that absolutely nothing of any quality comes from Asia. But that'd require you to think like an adult.

>>55460183
>Japan is okay. Nowhere else in asia.
Leave this place, retard. Make your own fucking keyboard or open your eyes.
Oh wait, the best switches are made in Asia and not in Japan. I guess you'll just have to realize that your ridiculous world view is destructive to only yourself.

>>55460264
>>55460292
nobody ever outsourced for quality kiddos.

>>55460292
cherry is from germany you dimwit

>>55460320
>best switches
>cherry
You really are dense.

>>55460259
you fucker
how dare you waste minute amounts of anons time

>>55460342
>the best switches aren't cherry
LMAO. Not that guy but you're the dense one.

>>55460368
Might wanna lurk more, friendo.

>>55460368
The only actually good cherry switches are clear.

>>55460426
what makes clears "good" and others not?
What's the alternative to cherry?

>>55460447
The fact that gateeon has not yet produced a clone of them

>>55460320
That's why you don't buy from american brands such as corshit or gayzer. If you want a quality keyboard you buy a keyboard from an asian brand that produces in Asia.

Do Topre switches wear out fast?

>>55460582
No.

>>55460508
can you give an example of well made keyboards under 200$
really well made, the kind that will last a decade or more, like the IBMs.
keycaps aren't important because I'm going to use another set anyway. (dsa subs)