AMD RX 480 Reviews

Do you think these things would handle VR properly?

>>55315289
That depends so you want it to explode or melt?

>>55315322
If i had a choice, I'd like it to melt.

>>55315289
>Do you think these things would handle VR properly?

Nothing can handle VR properly because it's a bullshit meme.

>>55315289
They have repeatedly said it meets the minimum requirements for good VR in this generation of headsets, that's one of the main points of the card.

>2014 games
>480 is slower than OC'd 970
>2016 games
>between 970-980

>>55315257
Beaten by the 970 ex-OC in every single fucking game except for just cause 3, in which it loses by 5 frames (whoop dee doo).

Bravo fucking AMD. Bravo. Can't beat 2 years old nvidishit.

>>55315350
Go back to your card games grandpa

VR graphics are at the current moment shit tier -- tennis ball-sized pixes, garbage.

That being said, the rx480 is a complete fucking disappointment.

>>55315364
>Comparing a $260+ card with a $199 card that also has like half the power consumption

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Very disappointing.


Looks like Kyle Bennett and Scali were right about Poolaris.

Yup,970 is better.

Help me lads. RX-480 or GTX 960?

>>55315393

970 has been $250 for over a year now (if you bought through goyim-stock or similar deals), the 480 is $230 MSRP. the difference in price is negligible, especially when the 970 is beating the 480 across the board.

The 290x beats it in firestrike, my fucking sides

>>55315415
480

>>55315415
480. it's pretty much a 390.

>>55315257
Should I buy an used R9-390X or GTX980 for the same price as a new RX480?

lol

how can you be worse than >3.5

fucking kek

>>55315415
480

>>55315415

wait for 1060. 480 is dead on arrival. if the 1060 is another cut down GP104 chip then it should be solidly 20-30% faster at stock speeds.

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>>55315416

>across the board

DX12 is the future, grandpa

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>>55315257
>flagship card losing against a 3,5gb card

Myth: AMD comeback in 2016.

Pooo-busted

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>>55315257
>video cuts to the case
>amd cooler

>close video

>>55315350
fuck off, vr is pure sex for any kind of cockpit games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5F9vwxQphM

>>55315436
When is the 1060 being released?

He's gonna get into shit for this. He just infringed his NDA. Doesn't lift for 2 hours

>>55315416
First of all we don't know the 970 doesn't beat the 480 across the board, we don't have trustworthy review yet. Secondly, I wouldn't say the price is negligible and thirdly: POWER CONSUMPTION

>it's not noticeably better than the 970 even in dx12 benchmarks and ashes of shilarity

HOLY SHIT, WHAT A FUCKING FAILURE

>>55315429
used 980.

>>55315438
The future of Microshills yes

>>55315438
where the 1070 & 1080s? , all I see are the old gpus there. Not even 980ti

>>55315377

Please tell us how the 3d meme became a huge long lasting success (besides theaters, which have had it since he 70ies or so). Also, please tell us how VR isn't going to die out like a candle in the night because of the exact same problems (inconvenient, hassle with extra specific hardware, not enough autism among normies).

>>55315438
that's not acually DX12.

>>55315459

the 970 already has very low power consumption, the rx 480 doesn't offer anything radical in this regard. Face it, we lost... again.

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>>55315438
DX12
it Buttfucks the 970EXOC

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>>55315393
RX 480 has 4 GB of VRAM and costs 200$
GTX 970 has 3,5GB of usable VRAM and costs 250$
The price difference is not negligible, also the 970 takes more juice to run.
What is negligible? The performance difference is. This is why RX480 is the better choice for now, unless 970 starts selling at 170$ or something.

>>55315444
Whats the flag ship card? Cause Polaris is midrange....

what a piece of a shit

>>55315458
This. AMD is going to be in his shit for breaking NDA. What a fucking retard

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Guys,is this without the drivers?

Also,do drivers significantly increase FPS?

Is this even worth upgrading from my 770?

>>55315364
Yes, every single game except for JC3, except for the ones you didn't mention. What about the ones the 480 loses by <5 frames? Whoop dee doo? Or is that reserved for AMD

>>55315393
I can get a 970 right now for $240 and then I can actually overclock my GPU without causing a system crash, and I also don't have to throw my chips in with AMD (a company that has had historically bad drivers for 12+ months after the release of new architecture).

$240 is the same price exactly as the 8 GB version of this AMD shitcard.

$240 is also only $40 more expensive than the 4 GB version, which is the same price as a shitty dinner for two at a 3 star restaurant. I'd rather bite the extremely hefty $40 price difference and be able to play my cards with the company that has been beating AMD for years, the trusted card that's been out for 2 years and has known benchmarks and performance, and the card that has good OC potential rather than "2% OVERCLOCK? FORGET ABOUT IT, I'M DEAD!"

>>55315459
>First of all we don't know the 970 doesn't beat the 480 across the board, we don't have trustworthy review yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CJBaZ9V2Eo

>Secondly, I wouldn't say the price is negligible

$20 is a negligible difference. You will be hard pressed to even find a 480 at the MSRP that isn't reference dogshit regardless (for the same price you can get a 970 with a really good cooler and OC it to >1500mhz boost for stock 980 performance)

>POWER CONSUMPTION

the difference in TDP between a 970 and a 480 is 25W. That's less than the difference between a 970 and a 390.

There is literally no reason to buy a 480 now unless you're buying out of brand loyalty, AMD had a legitimate chance at a comeback here and instead has probably launched the worst product they've made since bulldozer.

>>55315500
Nvidia pays more anyway

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>970 performance
>aftermarket coolers will cost more
>UK left EU
>Euro is dropping
>AMD is just releasing it's cards so they'll stay that price for an year
>Nvidia has a ton of old stock of old shit they have to move

AMDEAD.

>>55315470
it's because 1070 and 1080 are not competing int he same market. It's pointless to list them.

if you're really curious, the 1070 would have 1.5 times the performance, at least, compared to the 480, in every single one of these games. in terms of power the cards aren't even close.

So I can get a 390 for 300 yuropoor currency currently in Finland, whereas this will likely cost around 280-300. A 390x is 350€. Even with potential driver optimizations and an aftermarket model (which will cost even more), it seems to be a complete disappointment.

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Why do AMD insist on selling these garbage reference cards? It's the 290/X all over again. This piece of shit hits 90c with a 1.5% overclock.

>>55315505
You think it's okay for AMD to release a new card that competes in the mid range market but loses to an already-existing mid range card that has been out for 2 years, created by a competitor? That's why it's a big deal for the card to LOSE by 5 frames on almost everything. Winning 1 game by a small fucking margin shows how shit the card is.

>>55315502
>Guys,is this without the drivers?
Define drivers.
This is AMD we're talking about here.

>>55315415
wait for a board partner cooled 480 or 1060

960 is a relic at this point

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>>55315257
I HURT MYSELF TODAY

>>55315523
Nah its fine I was messing, I have a 1080 myslef.

>>55315548
How did you install Arch?

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What a bargain.

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I FUCKING HATE YOU PEOPLE WHO KEEP SAYING
>"DUDE JUST WAIT FOR THE X CARD,IT WILL COME OUT IN Y TIME"
FUCK OFF,I KEEP WAITING FOR A YEAR,AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO WAIT FOR
FUCK OFF

WHAT DO I BUY NOW?
GTX 970 OR RX 480?

>mid range card worse than high end

Just wait for 490 if you want 1070 performance for ~300-350$

>>55315415
480. Wait for the prices to cool down, the're hyped up now.

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IT'S OVER
AMD IS BANKRUPT AND FINISHED

So this is THE CARD

Haha, fuck me. You poor cunts are sad

>>55315578
Buy an 980 in a month or so when 1060 drops.
Nvidia WILL drop their prices.

Don't get an 970. Just don't.

DX12 IS THE FUTURE

AMD IS OWNING DX12

>>55315576
that's in australia

>>55315578
Neither try to find a 980/Ti for low price.

>>55315576
Yeah Aus taxes are fucked, 250 in usa 450 in aus. I was going to buy it if it was $350 ish for 8gb but na, might try and find a used 980

>>55315606
Where?IN South fucking Korea?
I'm in Europe,980 costs over 400$ dollars.

>>55315582
>490
There won't be an 490. The 480 is their highest bin. Either that or Poolaris bins like an Indian street and the 490 will be rarer than a 1080.

He might as well wait for Vega at this point lmao.

>>55315483
but the card shown was the 8gb model that is at least $230

we have no idea how the $200 4gb model performs

>>55315578
RX480 because you will be playing a DX12 games.

>>55315543
If its price results in a better price/performance than that other card then why not. It also sounds like you're saying it was released as a mid-range card two years ago.
>1 game
So you're saying it loses in Hitman? Tomb Raider? Mirror's Edge?

>>55315257
Alright. Fuck this shit and fuck AMD. I thought this was going to be a good card, I don't know why. From a company so historically bad, I don't know why I expected this card to be any different. System failure at 2% overclock. Brilliant AMD, just brilliant.

I just raged out and bought a fucking 1070 for $450 from MSI. Jesus fucking christ. Anyone know what power supply wattage I'm going to need for this thing? is 500W good enough?

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CANT OC MORE THAN 1.6%

SLOWER THAN 390 AND 970

LMAO

>>55315604
>239 USD = 399 AUD

K.

>>55315576
Fuckin lol, how is this good?

I would never buy a 970. Why would you buy a card that is broken out of the box. You can get a 480 for a few bucks cheaper that has the same performance and is much more future proofed

>>55315623
980 should drop in price when 1060 is released.

>>55315543
>already existing mid range card
No the 970 is at the bottom of the high range buddy

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>>55315634
good... good goy
hehehehehehehe

>>55315650
So what do you think it will drop to? 300$?250$?

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>>55315642
>future proofed
>has the same performance as last gen mid tier cards

>>55315576
What the fuck is this?
This is not at all what I was promised.

>>55315659
Maybe 2 years ago

>>55315502
>AMD
>Drivers
Wew, is this some new spicy /g/ meme?

>>55315663
Free fiddy.
About thereabouts.

>>55315689
They're better than nvidia's if you plan on keeping the card for more than one generation

>>55315642
I G N O R A N C E

>>55315703
still too much.

when are custom rx480 coming out?

>>55315444
> Flagship
Vega isn't out yet you mong

THIS IS LITERALLY A BIGGER BLUNDER THAN THE FURY X

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING AMD

HOW HARD IS IT TO FUCKING BEAT A SHITTY 2 YEAR OLD 3.5 MEME FUCK YOU

>>55315458
Basically this

>>55315500
>nda lifts on release day to build up hype for this disappointment

Fuck amd, the guy's doing god's work.

>>55315502
AMD has not discovered "driver" technology yet. Their cards work on an older technical system, known as "plug it in and pray".

>>55315459
>MUH POWER CONSUMPTION

Can't pay your electricity bill grandpa?

> excited for AMD
> not on either side of the fence
> always used nVidia in the past
> might be time for a change
> gettin' hype for 480
> reports rolling in of lower and lower performance
> judgement day
> crashes and burns harder than expected
Looks like I'm staying with my 760 lol

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Where is the 470?

>>55315257

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPggCgYK38

thread theme song

>>55315754
Many real senior citizens experience a loss of independence and problems paying the bills later in life. It is insensitive of you to make jokes like that.

>>55315708
>Nvidia gimps their older cards

Where can I get a tin foil hat?

WAIT FOR PROPER DRIVERS

>meanwhile in Merika

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127838&cm_re=980_gtx-_-14-127-838-_-Product

Americans have no reason to buy this AMD memeshit.

>>55315776
Lol

>wait some more guise!

Lmao tbqh famalam

>>55315776
HAHAHA

you think amd would send out their products for testing with shit drivers? You know that reviews are meant to sell cards righT?

oh wait its amd, maybe they would actually be stupid enough to do that

Anyway what is a good site to order from if i am in the EU?

>>55315776
>Thinking AMD would launch this card without proper drivers
>literally 30 day NDA headstart

No, there's no chance this is driver related. The card just plain sucks at DX 11 performance

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>>55315766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58LRJ3tIdg

Thread theme song.

P O O
O
O

it beat the 970 in only 7 of the benches?

genuinely disappointing

>>55315802
www.nvidia.com

>>55315802
www.europoorsbtfo.eu

>>55315257
guy admits 16.5.2 drivers
people going crazy that the card cant deliver with a drivers that isnt even supporting it

lol

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>970 A$450+
>480 A$400+

Why is it impossible to get a good video card in this country for cheap bros

>>55315815
pls no bully

>>55315807
IN

What did you expect
AMD = a major disappointment

>>55315819
Goto OCAU and buy second hand you fucking retard

>>55315438
>DX12 is the future

AMD cards don't even support DX12_1 and I bet none of the Polaris cards do either, this is the exact case as Nvidia not supporting the same type of async compute shaders implementation as AMD(nVidia’s implementation has less granularity than AMD’s, and nVidia also relies on the CPU/driver to handle some of the scheduling work), from now own you're either going to get games that run well on AMD or Nvidia but not both.

There is this game "Ashes of Singularity" that people claim to be an good indication about DX12, when is not in fact the developers Oxide is just clueless in general they are know for stuff like Star Swarm scandal, they feed it a workload that they KNOW will choke on a specific driver/GPU (in the case of Star Swarm they sent extremely long command lists to DX11. This mostly taxed the memory management in the driver, which was never designed to handle lists of that size. nVidia fixed up their drivers to deal with it though. It was never really an API issue, they just sent a workload that was completely unrepresentative of any realistic game workload). Again a case of bad code being bad. When you optimize a rendering pipeline for an actual game, you will look for a way to get the BEST performance from the hardware, not the worst. So worst case you don’t use asynchronous shaders, and you should get DX11-level as a minimum (there is no way to explicitly use asynchronous shaders in DX11). Best case you use a finely tuned workload to make use of new features such as asynchronous shaders to boost performance and ofcourse if you don't yo uget negative eprformance which is what happens with Ashes implementation for Nvidia cards, which by the way IT IS DISABLED on all Nvidia cards EVEN PASCAL 1080/1070.

Also just look at this http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one
Oxide has a pretty poor track record here, spreading dubious benchmarks, and outright wrong information.

>>55315472
VR isn't just 3D. VR will succeed because it is the culmination of so many fields and tech including television, games, pictures, video, even books and the internet.

>>55315779
an extra 1 hunnit, nigga kys

WHERE CAN I ORDER THIS IN EUPOOR?

>current year
>dx 11

god damn dx12 is really amazing of performance.

So is it good?

So why shouldn't I just buy a used 970 on eBay for $230?

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THANK YOU RAJ

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>>55315779
Hm, thanks for this. I was thinking about a 1070 because this AMD release is really disappointing, but the cost of the 1070 made me rearrange and sacrifice some parts of the build I wanted to do.

This 980 you posted is just cheap enough to let me build my new PC the way I want to, plus it has more power than the 480. Thanks /g/, This is looking like a really viable option to me, is there any reason not to go through with it?

>>55315854
>wants to purchase a card that will be gimped very soon

>>55315854
Because you can buy a new 970 for basically the same price?

>>55315849
>DX 12
>Current year
>Consoles don't have a hope of using the new API
>Win 10 exclusive
Literally DX 10 of our time

WHY DIDN'T AMD JUST LOWER THE PRICE OF 390 OR 390x to $200 AND CALL IT THE 480?

LOL

>200$
>can play most of the new games on ultra(with few compromises) with 60FPS
What a fuck are you guys complaining?

>>55315864
please provide actual proof that Nv actually gimps cards

Oh wait. you can't

>>55315854
...why would you buy a used GPU for $10 off? Man if you are that bad for cash I will send $10 to your house dude.. please don't buy a used card just to save $10

>>55315860
stock cooler, i don't know how it performs but at the end of the day it's still a 980

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They said AMD would release a great budget card... They lied...

What do us poorfags do now? Nvidia are just too expensive...

HAHA AMD SHILLS BTFO

>>55315858
Wow, can you show us some good games where AMD wins? Or is it only the terrible trash nobody cares about?

>>55315876
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>>55315891
(You)

>>55315882
Okay, let's bench them, in 2018.

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>>55315860
If you're an AMDrone and you want to sacrifice performance for brand loyalty.

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JUST POO MY LOO UP

Idiotic review, 970 is extremely overclocked but 390 is not.
I think 480 = 390 = 970, except 480 is the most efficient and the cheapest and hence the best choice in its tier.

>>55315900
>that total lack of ass

>>55315836
please provide any link that nvidia can do
1)async timewrap
2)async compute
3)async quick time
4)casting
things that are crucial to support dx12.0 and therefore being able to have dx12.1
because you know exposing stuff on driver level and actually having it is two completly different things when we are talking about nvidia

also yeah they are cluless a company that gave us lengedary space rts games suddenly became cluless now

its funny that the nvidia shills are so active 1h before the nda lifts....
fits the profile of being scared already when the real benches from less bias sites that actually use the proper drives are coming..

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Fucking poo in loo shits. I am never EVER buying AMD again. I was really looking forward to upgrading from my 7850, but now I'm waiting to see the price/performance of the 1060 whenever that comes out.

Or if it's a long ways off and the 970 goes on sale I think I'll just buy the 970. Goddamn pajeets.

>>55315899
So you have no proof.

neat

>>55315905
But they tried overclocking it and it got too hot.

>>55315770
i think hes referring to nvidia just cutting support for their older cards

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>>55315900
What is this gook shit? Get that trash out of here and post anime instead you useless fuck.

>>55315836
Expanding on DX12_1
The two main features in 12_1 are rasterizer ordered views and conservative raster. Intel has supported rasterizer ordered views for years already!, and had their own extension for it in DX11 already.
Trying to claim that this has come from nVidia is rather clueless.
But once Again AMD makteering hard at work.

What is even worse is that you can't say anything bad about AMD without a horde of brainwashed fanboys attacking you.

While we are on the topic of AMD why don't get talk about GameWorks vs GPUOpen.

Often is said that GameWorks is unfair for AMD because they don't get the source code, while GPUOpen itself might be open source THE GAMES THEMSELVES THAT USE IT ARE NOT, What this means is that when a game decides to use an open source library, the code is basically ‘frozen in time’ as soon as they build the binaries, which you eventually install when you want to play the game. So even though you may have the source code for the effect framework, what are you going to do with it? You do not have the ability to modify the game code. So if the game happens to be unoptimized for a given GPU, there is nothing you can do about it, even if you do have the source.

The second mistake is believing that you need the source code to optimize for it when in fact this is not the case.
In the old days, GPU vendors generally did not have access to the source code anyway (it might sound crazy, but in the old days, game developers actually developed games, as in, they developed the whole renderer and engine. Hardware suppliers supplied the hardware).

cont..

>>55315415
even the 380 shits on the gtx 960

>>55315913
you would be an idiot to think that 970 is better just because an exoc 970 beat stock reference 480

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>Amazing scores on all relevant (DX12) benches
>Mfw

>>55315906
You never want to much ass.

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>Can't even beat a gimped 970

>>55315910
who gives a shit about these things?
Not game devs that's for sure considering the laughable amount of DX 12 adoption

>>55315878
retards wanted upgrades for cheap, turns out its what amd said, a budget card for people who only run games at medium because 80% of steam runs integrated gpu. Only faggots wanting 980 upgrades for cheap are assmad. Meanwhile 80% of steam rejoiced

>>55315888
I would hope nvidia catches on to the butthurt caused by the 480 and lower the price of their 970 and 980 to compete with the 480 4gb and 8gb.

>>55315900
that's the ugliest korean I have ever seen

>>55315924
Why would anyone bother to overclock with reference coolers is beyond me.

>>55315438
so should I just buy a 390 if I find it on sale?

are those things hot?

>>55315930
So, assuming you don’t get access to the source code, is there nothing you can do? Well no, on the contrary. In most cases, games and effect frameworks (even GameWorks) generally just perform standard Direct3D or OpenGL API calls. There are various game development tools available to analyze D3D or OpenGL code. For example, there is Visual Studio Graphics Diagnostics: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh873207.aspx

Basically, every game developer already has the tools to study which API calls are made, which shaders are run, which textures and geometry are used, how long every call takes etc. Since AMD and nVidia develop these Direct3D and OpenGL drivers themselves, they can include even more debugging and analysis options into their driver, if they so choose.

So in short, it is basically quite trivial for a GPU vendor to analyze a game, find the bottlenecks, and then optimize the driver for a specific game or effect (you cannot modify the game, as stated, so you have to modify the driver, even if you would have the source code). The source code isn’t even very helpful with this, because you want to find the bottlenecks, and it’s much easier to just run the code through an analysis-tool than it is to study the code and try to deduce which parts of the code will be the biggest bottlenecks on your hardware.

So next time you hear AMD saying how GameWorks is unfair remember they are just playing the emo card.

>>55315905
So this is it then... AMD's day is finally here....... They just won the "needs an upgrade due to having a 3+ year old card (because upgrading with a 1-2 year old card would be almost pointless), but is a poorfag and only wants a mid range card but for some reason can't afford a GTX 980, and also doesn't care that AMD's drivers will be dead for another 12 months" market??? It's over, nvidia is fucking finished. I've heard there are as many as five, and possibly even six people in that target market. How will nvidia be able to deal with losing that market?

Where were you when AMD won?

>>55315956
>0/10 would NOT bang

>>55315257
POO

>>55315943
>laughable adoption rate of dx12
>not even a year out it has 11 games already
>meanwhile dx11 has its first full game after 2 years
>lol

>>55315943
It's not laughable considering DX12 has only been released for less than a year. Be patient.

>>55315941
you never want to be too heterosexual, apparently

>>55315967
this meme about amd not doing legacy drivers really needs to die

especially considering nvidias god awful, significantly worse track record of supporting their cards

>>55315578
The 970 is sadly a better deal

>>55315986
No it's not.

>>55315967
>I've heard there are as many as five, and possibly even six people in that target market

Look at the steam hardware survey, most people are on integrated cards.

>>55315974
screenshot my answer and i will gladly accept defeat once the real benches from people less bias comes
unless ofc you are suggesting that using the 16.5.2 driver that doesnt support the card is OK

>>55315967
>is a poorfag but for some reason can't afford a GTX 980
Might have to do with being a poorfag, retard. You can't be actually suggesting that a GTX980 is in the same price range as RX480

>>55315905
But the 480 can't even beat the 390

>>55315975
IN

>>55315578
Wait till they drop the 1060 :^)

>>55315976
Yeah, enjoy your extremely bad running DX12 games, this is how AMD envisioned PC gaming, games that aren't even visually impressiveness failing to hit 60FPsSeven with a high end GPU and visual looking inferior to DX11 games.

>>55315986
It isn't. 970 costs more, doesn't even have 4GB, and can't DX12.

A friend is OCing and benching a 480 right now and is not having these temp and OC issues. Smells like a defective card in that review.

>>55315976
Yeah, DX 12 card that for $200 that loses in DX 11 performance to 2 year old cards.
So it's both not a card for the future, or current games.

Thanks AMD, amazing product really building what consumers have been asking for.
I'm sure 80% of steam users with a discrete card will spend $200 to upgrade to a slower card than their 970

>>55315257
This is looking really bad for the 480. It can't even beat a 970 or even their own 390.

>>55315998
LOO

>>55315836
>>55315930
>>55315961

yeah amd is playing the emo card
meanwhile at nvidia devs mouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG2kIUerD4c

we made it we get to optimise it for ourselfs

your own devs are shilling

>>55315543
How about comparing stock to stock? Because the card you're comparing a marginal loss on is equivalent to a 980. Almost like it was conveniently placed there on purpose. Gtx 1080 can't outperform an oced 980 ti how embarrassing that the actually need a 70% overclock to match last year's performance.

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talking shit about the 480, but there is no other card poorfags can buy for the same quality when 80% of steam users run integrated shit

>>55316009
It looks fucking great actually retard. What did u expect to go up 2-3 tiers?

Poolaris in the Loolaris

>>55315993
I checked the video again.
He's using an Intel cpu to bench the games, he just posed the card with an amd system in the beginning.
I guess I was wrong. He's biased. Biased against meme tech lmao.

300 euro for this card a good value in EU?

>>55315483
Find me a $250 970.
Not happening.

>>55315638
there are countries with different taxes and/or price differences because of import duties and all that crap

>>55316026
No

>>55316002
4 games were broken
1)rotr even their own devs admitted defeat for trying to make dx11 game into dx12
2)gow using hbao+ on dx12 is really bad as we all saw
3)quantum brake well it was bad on nvidia because they couldnt handle compute and it was 70 fucking bucks literally ms killed it

the rest are pretty much nice

>>55316026
for a sapphire edition*

>>55316014
Oh, so they should optimize for AMD hardware?

Why can't AMD do it themselves?

Nvidia can do it so why can't AMD?

The "Source code" argument only tricks people who have no knowledge about the topic.


Once again you can't say anything bad about AMD without a horde of fanboys attacking you even when you are just stating 100% hard true facts.

>>55316029
>Not happening.
For a stock cooler one?
Why wouldn't it be happening, that's around how much they sell for.

>>55316003
The 970 costs the same and is even faster than the 480. It's kind of sad actually.

>>55316043
>buying a used gpu zozzle, nvidrone shilling

>>55316026
Buy a used 3.5 for 150€ instead.

>>55316005
if anandtech shows the same result of any of those shilled youtubers then i will admit defeat
but since they are sensible and dont fucking use a 1500 oc 970(exoc) and most probably will have the correct drivers we will see a big difference..

>>55316026
>>55316039
no, not at all

>>55315637
He might be using drivers not even officially supporting the 480

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>>55316047
>The 970 costs the same
but that's wrong,you fucking retard

>>55316048
>buy a new GPU that is slower across the board for $200

Great logic amderp

>>55315578
Brake your old piggy and get a gtx1070. It will serve you for the next 4-5 years, if you're not one of the "evereten on MAXXXXXXXXXXX GRAFIXXXXX" faggots, of course.

>>55316020
They said it would beat a 980, but it's even slower than a 970. Underwhelming is an understatement.

>>55316042
Even if you had the source code, unless you have the source code for the game itself it is pretty much useless.

Even so at best you could only read the source code and try to improve your drivers(you cannot modify the game so you have to fix it through your driver)
The only time GPU vendors actually want/need access to the source code is when they want to make fundamental changes to how a game works, either to improve performance, or to fix some bug. But even then, they don’t literally need access to the source code, they need the developer to change the code for them and release a patch to their users. Sometimes this requires taking the developer by the hand through the source code, and making sure they change what needs to be changed.

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GUYS GUYS CALM THE FUCK DOWN.......Ok OP here...this is what we have to do......w-we have to wait for VEGA! Thats when AMD will Rise Again!!!

>>55315994
I'm looking at a 980 that costs less than 300 american burger-dollars after a small $15 rebate, RIGHT NOW

>>55316054
>1500 mhz is not a sensible overclock on a 970

I OC to 1500 mhz on air and it barely touches 70c

So will the cards officially go on sale 90 minutes from now?

>>55316043
But you can't OC it to the levels of the one in this review. At least not without making it sound like a vacuum cleaner running at 90° which makes it kind of pointless

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>>55315257
>it goes toe to toe with the 970 at stock speed
>very small power draw
>when the drivers kick in and over clocking is optimized, it will be even better

Literally the best card for 1080p gaming. No contest, and at this price range, you can bet AMD will get a massive amount of market share.

Even if nvidia releases the 1060 later this year, it'll already be too late. AMD is literally back.

>>55316076
This actually. Just wait for Vega or wait for Nvidia to gimp there cards.

>>55316029
Really? There's 3 of them that are actually UNDER $250 right here

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=186&sort=a8&page=1

3 more under $260

>>55316066
Doesn't matter what they said. The value/money is what matters you stupid fuck. I don't think anyone believed it would crush a 980 (though it does in some DX12 games)

>>55316042
nvidia already explained after the tw3 fiasco that they dont even allow the game dev to see the code that they inject into their game

there is an extremetech article about that already
amd cant do shit about gameworks they can only use the game once its out on a profile driver and replace gameworks shaders with one of their own but thats just it

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Is the 8gb version even worth it on such a weak card?

>>55316060
Sadly it's the truth, the 970 is now the same price as the 480

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>>55316061
it's not slower for 80% of steam users liek I said already you dumbfuck, go kys

>>55316077
I'm looking at the cheapest 980 that costs exactly four (4) hundred (100) euros, RIGHT NOW

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>>55315900
>2016
>falling for the Asian female meme

>>55316016
80% of steam users play only stuff like dota 2 or cs:go on 2004 resolutions like 720p. What you're saying means absolutely nothing.

>>55316093
For gaming, no.
For compute, maybe.

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>>55316063
You don't get it.In Europe(Croatia to be exact),prices of Video Cards are insane.
1070 is the equivalent of 600$ here.

Fuck free healthcare and collage.

>>55316092
>see the code that they inject into their game


See what I mean with AMD fud?

This guy literally thinks the GameWorks libraries are some sort of .dll files that inject themselves on the game like lets say SMAA.
http://www.iryoku.com/smaa/
https://github.com/iryoku/smaa


It does not works like that at all.

How disappointing. I thought Poolaris was finally going to take Nvidia to the loo, but it turns out it was just shit.

>>55316080
is that the point?
who the fuck will bench a refrence card with one that is almost at their limits?
not to mention that this card on pretty much any else bench is passting 980 yet on his video it never did
(and the funny part is he actually have bigger numbers on the exoc from literally any other review of this card)

>>55316076
kek

>>55316090
>The value/money is what matters you stupid fuck
well if people only considered this than this thread would have like 10 replies only
but now it's just a shitstorm
>hurr nvidia is better
>no amd is better durr

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>>55316088
costs $45 more, 5 dollars under 250, still not $200

>>55315795
Was the exact same argument when the 1080 didn't catch the hype train. Not sure if shilling or shit posting is strong in this thread.

>>55316090
It can't even beat AMD's own last gen card the 390, even in DX12 games the 390 is a better card

>>55316093
Nope

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Is this card good enough if you're building your first PC. It's the last component I need and I can't spend any more than what this card is worth.

>>55316101
So?
You think the 480 will cost less than 300 Euro or some shit?
Let's face it, we'll overpay, we might as well overpay for a good card.

>>55316114
I don't get the fanboyism desu. I want value for my money. To each his own I guess.

>>55316101
I'm looking at the birds & trees & people eating food and not living in abject poverty due to the fact that I live in a non-shitty country, RIGHT NOW

>>55316099
>It's not slower for 80% of steam users
80% of steam users are on netbooks and laptops you stupid fuck. Wrong market.

>>55316109
oh i know what it is
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173511-nvidias-gameworks-program-usurps-power-from-developers-end-users-and-amd
have fun reading tho
the problem remains its a black box only open to nvidia devs so people who claims amd can do anything about it aka gameworks is open to anymore is lying pretty simple

>>55316093
No it's not worth it. But AMD isn't even releasing the 4GB version because they want you to waste money on the 8GB.

>>55316129
I'd wait for a non-reference cooler. But yeah it looks like a solid card (if you wanna buy new)

>>55316120
>still not $200
Are you implying the 480 costs 200$.
Oh boy are you in for a surprise tomorrow.

After all the hype you MADtards created for those mediocre memecards you'd be lucky to get it for 350.

>>55316112
>reference card
It shits itself with a 1.5% OC, please stop shilling this shit.

Thank God I didn't buy. I'll keep my r290 crossfire setup. I don't want to spend money to downgrade.

>>55316131
>You think the 480 will cost less than 300 Euro or some shit?
Yes
>>55316134
I will live a happy life knowing I will never (not ever) be a burger

>>55316129
Shitposting aside, it's actually a decent budget card. No matter what happen, /g/ would shitpost about the losing side

>>55315257
Is the NDA over yet?

>>55316132
that's what every normal person wants
g just wants another shitstorm for no fucking reason

at least i can finally tell these fucking retards suggesting the 480 over the 1070 in a $1k tower to eat a dick

>>55316092
>>55316137
GameWorks does APi drawcalls like any other graphical FX11 feature buddy, any debugging tool can see what it does in fact you can do it yourself.

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OK guys the 480 is looking like a weird/bad release.

But 1 thing is on my mind. DirectX 12. Is there a reason that maybe the 480 is better, or might be better in the near future, than the 970/980 because those cards don't fully support all of the features of DirectX 12? Is it a mistake to buy a 980 right now because of that?

>>55316129
I am in the same position.Really need to pick the best place to get a non-reference card with the lowest price.

All the shilling aside, if I were buying a GPU right now, I would not go for the 2 year old 970, no fucking way. I would wait for the 1060, but Nvidia isn't known for good price/performance in this tier.

>>55316148
Seriously anyone who thinks the 480 is actually $200 is dumb

You can actually look up some of the prices yourselves, not a single one under $240 and many are even $270

>>55316152
>Yes
You're retarded then.
I'll enjoy your tears in couple of hours.

>>55316137
>Blackbox

kek, I guess AMD can't optimize for games that don't send their source code to AMD either huh?

>>55316158
Well, to be fair it could have been a $600 tower instead of $1k if you went with the 480.

>>55316154
No and that youtube shill is paid by nvidia who compares 1500Mhz OC with the 480.
Wait for reputable real reviews.
Real performance is safely above 970, just below 980.

>>55316164
buy a 1070 over a 980 when MSRP settles

>>55316159
shooting the ball into orbit

any actuall fact that amd can see the gameworks source code exists?
does nvidia has any sort of open source under mit licence for it?
no never did and never will

>>55316170
Pure bait.

>>55316097
Wrong

>>55316129
>>55316165
Wait for non-reference coolers. By that time there will be geforce 1060 info as well. So you will have a choice of 2 good cards at the same price range in a couple of weeks.

>>55316171
>buying any gpu right after its release
now that is retarded

>>55315362
i thought this would have been clear for some months now?

amd always said it will target the sweetspot for 1440p and VR and price. which is r9 290/390 and gtx 970 you dumb fucks

>>55316187
Right

>LE NVIDIA GIMP MEME
>2-year old 970 still beating the shit out of new AMD cards

MUH SIDES

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A friend is offering me a used GTX980 for $260, should I?
My PSU is only 450W and in a SFF case (Node 202), though my current CPU is an i3-6100. Should I worry about house fires or is it fine

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>>55316137
>the problem remains its a black box only open to nvidia devs
So is every game engine with closed source.

>>55316177
why do people insist on undercutting budgets?

if you have a $1k budget to build a tower, why would you buy a lesser GFX to "save money" that puts you under budget?

i'm just saying that leap you should be making when you get to the $900 range is another $200 into the most important component of a gaming pc: the GFX.

>>55316185
Even if you had the source code it would be useless because the implementation on the game wouldn't be 1:1, buddy do you even know how software work.

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>pay 200$
>set SBAO,shadows and water medium and everything else on ultra
>get 60 FPS and great Witcher3 experience
>same with most other games
Tell me again why I shouldn't order this right now?

>>55316184
I can't really wait any longer. I've been waiting over 3 years to upgrade my PC. I don't want to wait another 3 months.

>>55316199
You should worry about that shitty i3 and upgrade to the i7 4790k master race.

You deserve a housefire you poor nigger

>>55316186
Sadly not even bait. It's the same thing that happened to the 1070 and 1080. Scalpers are buying them all up and the only ones you can get are either available for 1 minute at $250 or bought on ebay for $500

>>55316199
>450 W
i would go with 550 W just to be sure.

So... How much performance improvement can we expect over the next years via drivers?
3.5gB card is nearing eol and we probably won't be getting much more performance out of it.

>>55316108
I live in Europe, dude. Fucking Bulgaria, the king of europoors.

It truly is insane how they fuck us over with VAT and whatnot.
>oy vey buy our new gtx 1070
>not expensive, don't worry anon
>it's only 400 burger currency coins
>european retailers selling it for FUCKING 550 EURO

Seriously, fuck this shit.

>>55316212
should be more like 1-2 but if you're really this aspie waste money however you want

>>55316210
forgot to mention my monitor is 720p

>>55316194
The 970 can't handle 1440p and the 480 is even slower than it, so there's no way.

>>55316198
Isn't it sad?
They can't beat a 3.5 GB card with a 8 GB card.
With faster ram as well.
And the supposed GODLY ASYNC COMPUUUT (BLAST PROCESSING HIPPY KAY AY) even in DX12 they barely reach Nvidia.

It's some hilarious shit right here.

Know your fucking place AMemeDrones.

>>55316185
AMD and nVidia are doing the same thing, AMD just packages it in a way that the average fanboy doesn’t catch on to it, apparently.

>>55316214
Who the fuck buys first day. Who the fuck even pro-orders computer parts after the 460 Fermi trainwreckon.

Fucking summer.

>>55316179
The 970 is a 2 year old card with a mature manufacturing process. Please eat shit, you can't even find b-stock cards that can't go to 1500mhz. The boostclock advertised by Nvidia is 1200mhz
It's literally a small as fuck OC.

>>55316202
talking about a 3rd party api
talks about game engines..

literally going to the moon
>>55316208
yes it would be useless to find a solution for an api not to cripple constantly your cards because it uses exessive amoutn of tessellation under the map or on batman capes for no reason at all..

>>55316226
do you even own a 970 or r9 290?

>>55316210
Because you'd be lucky if you paid 300$ for it.

>>55316226
R9 390 8g is the entry to 1440p, and that's bare minimum. I can do 1440p in AMD optimized games still with my 390, but it lags behind in other titles and needs to go down to 1080p.

Do NOT get this 480 expecting cheap 1440p. You will get left behind quickly.

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>R9 390 for $200
>this is some how bad

>>55316207
I'm just speaking from my perspective. I would never spend over $200 on a GPU. I would be spending that money on a larger SSD, better case, better motherboard, and extra ram (I need at least 32gb or preferably 64gb).

>>55316234
i fail to see how the gpuopen is the same thing as gameworks
its open under mit license
everyone can use it
its simple as that

>>55316199
That's a great price for a used 980, especially if it's non-reference. Used 980s start at about $310+

450W psu is borderline, though, especially if it's some cheap noname one.

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>>55316214
>Sadly not even bait. It's the same thing that happened to the 1070 and 1080.
Sorry Chang, but you're wrong.

So fucking wrong. I was spot on with my estimates for Australia.

>>55316099
>evansposter shitposts on other boards

who would have thought

>>55316244
Yup, got a 970 and also a 390 as well.

>>55316131
Here in France the 8GB version costs €260, so I'd imagine the 4GB card will cost around €220, which is a very good price to be honest.

These are launch prices so will probably come down to the €200 mark in the not too distant future.

https://www.grosbill.com/4-sapphire_amd_radeon_rx_480_8g_gddr5_pci_e_hdmi_triple_dp_uefi_-676992-informatique-ati

>>55316240
>doesn't know game engines use hundreds of 3rd party APIs

Literally a case of a retard not knowing what an APi, is trying to give an opinion about APIs.

A typical AMD memester.

>>55316222
>european retailers selling it for FUCKING 550 EURO
my shitty third world island has it worse at 553 usd for the 1070.

>>55315768
Underrated post

>>55316252
>GTX 1070
>$380
>Matches 980TI/Titan X
>RX 480
>200$
>Matches R9 290X from 2013

I have a R9 290 and I can say that AMD is finished.

>>55316251
Pretty much this. The 390 is faster than a 480, and if it lags behind, then there's no way a 480 will do it.

>>55316260
>not realizing the shitty i3 will bottleneck the fuck out of it.

>>55316252
retards wanted upgrades to a 980 for cheap, this card is the goat for anyone not running 1080p and still running 1gb/2gb trash

>>55316261
>AMShits think that Retailer jewing is Nvidia's fault

It's hilarious every time they try to defend AMD's 'actions' when literally AMD nor Nvidia have power to set prices beyond the RRP.

>>55316271
Can't you just order from Germany?

>>55316268
why the fuck are you not able to 1440p?


i have a r9 290 REFERENCE right beside me and a ASUS MG279Q 144hz 1440p ips screen and CAN play at decent framerates

>>55316108
I would fuck this cow so hard she'd lose all them 70 extra pounds she has.

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>>55316084

>being this gullible

>>55316252
It's actually worse than a 390 and the 390 is selling for only $250 now

>>55316280
Good luck finding a 1070 for $380

>>55316255
if you're not building a gaming rig, sure, but most folks looking at these cards are building gaming rigs i think. GFX should always be the part you spend the most on in that case. Though, sub $850 gaming rigs will still be looking to RX480 and R9390/970s for a while yet it looks like

>>55315768
gr8/8

>>55316240
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/Tests/Die-erste-DX111-Karte-der-Welt-860536/galerie/1607694/
This chart shows the performance of AMD’s SubD11 sample, which is included in the DirectX SDK. It clearly demonstrates what I already derived from AMD’s tessellation graphs: the 7970 suffers from an exponential dropoff in tessellation performance.

Sure, the initial performance of the card is much higher than any other, but it comes down quickly, and as we can see in the chart, from about factor 11, it is already below the level of a GTX580. At about level 14, it’s starting to struggle to keep up with the GTX560Ti, we are talking about Fermi here.


AMD has 5 years to fix their tessellation problems yet they never did, they played the victim paired with the emo card everytime.

https://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/55/1
https://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/55/10

>>55316282
just buy two goy

>>55316292
you realize everything has baseline and nvidia increased the price first

>>55316294
You have low standards.

>>55316268
oh wait, don't tell me you're one of those faggots which insist on 8x anti aliasing for added frametimes

>>55316261
>Not understanding what he was saying about scalpers.

Dude holy shit, fucking kill yourself if you don't even know what a scalper is. No matter how hard you try you'll never reach your father's expectations.

>>55316299
obv not now, but in a few months it will be retail price once retailers stop gauging the price

>>55316294
anything under 60 is not decent

>>55316293
And from which site?

>>55316271
Why don't you post a link to the one that won't run out in 3 seconds?
>https://www.grosbill.com/4-asus_msi_rx480_8g-681545-informatique-_carte_graphique

>>55316222
Aбe мoмчe ти aкo нe мoжeш cи кyпиш кapтa зa 700 кинтa минимyм кви игpи щe игpaeш вe. Te игpитe cтpyвaт пo 120 кинтa вeчe и пoвeчeтo нe ги кpaквaт.

Cмeшки.

>>55316294
can you OC it more than 1.6%?

Congratulations you have futureproofed yourself against AMD's flagship card of the now.

>>55316307
>Nvidia increased the price first
>It's Nvidia's fault that retailers jew

Please kys

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>the 480 is $200!
>the 8 GB version is $240!
>>the 480 is $200!
>>the 8 GB version is $240!
>the 480 is $200!
>the 8 GB version is $240!
>>the 480 is $200!
>>the 8 GB version is $240!

I don't know what the fuck you /g/uys are talking about. The card is actually zero dollars right now because right now you can only buy air, not a graphics card, due to AMD only stocking a total world supply of 7 cards, which sold out in under 5 minutes.

>>55316309
sure, a 500€ monitor and 400€ gpu back then are low standards.


or maybe, i just know how to configure a game to run well at decent settings?

>>55316314
at 144hz you can't feel the difference between 45 and 60

>>55316222
That's with VAT and taxes though. That's $450 US price x 1.76 which is 800 BGN and then 20% VAT makes it 960 BGN. There are reference 1070 for 1000 BGN and MSI gaming for 1100 which is not that horrible of an increase. ( about 15% after VAT )

>>55316312
>Scalpers only exist for AMD
>When you see a $100 price difference from the RRP it's Nvidia's fault

Never change pajeets.

>>55316297
it's faster in some games, slower in others. If you average it out they are the same.
Also Hawaii drivers have been continuously optimized for 2.5 years now. Once Polaris gets some optimization over the next few months it will easily compete with a 390x/980

>>55316329
eyes can't see

>>55316329
What the fuck am I reading

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>>55316312
>Be wrong about the price
>Shitpost regardless
Zhang defending Chang. Hilarious.

>>55316272
lol please tell me any game that uses hundreds of 3d party apis
NAME ONE
i beg you
>>55316305
and this has to do with the fact that nvidia was forcing the usage of tessellation to be so high because they could cull them before they got into the sub pixel zone? yes or no? did amd had this kind of tech till now? NO and i get it the previous ceo made a decicion not to implement it thus making amd to be at a much decision
but here we are now..

>>55316314
maybe it's because you have a cheap ass monitor which can't do free or gsync

most of my games which are not shitty optimised console ports run flawless. i recall, i have a 144hz monitor

>>55316276
>553 usd
>worse than 550 euro

>>55316329
alright /g/ i'm gonna go i'll see you guys later sorry about your 480 hype

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>>55316329

What's the point of these reference only releases? Gives really bad rep with 1.5% OC and instant housefire

oh god it feels like reddit joined this board... pls spare me this bullshit.

are there people in this thread which actually know some stuff from experience instead of copy pasting from tech blogs?

>>55316349
So, AMD failing to do a TASK THAT WAS PART OF THE DX11 DOCUMENTATION is now Nvidia's fault and they should therefore optimize for it.

Shows over. There is no reason anymore to buy a new GPU. Will wait 3-4 more years for next gen. Gaming is for cucks anyways.

>>55316276
I don't know the exact level of your calculus skills, but 550 euro is intolerably more than 553 usd.

We're jewed all around the globe with PC tech, but glorious Europa is some next level communist-capitalist hybrid, which somehow managed to take the worst from both worlds, assemble it into a giant mechanocock, push it into fucking overdrive and ram it incessantly in our asses.

>>55316341
No it literally gets beat by the 390 in every single game

>>55316368
i have a better question
why is the reference cooler always so bad?

>>55316343
there is no tearing if you play games on 144hz monitor at fps higher than 40 but lower than 65 you can't tell which it is

when it goes 72+ you can easily tell, also another step between 72 and 100 when you can't tell fps jumps