Are electric cars a meme?

fagget

>>55306297
>Really makes you think...

if you're an idiot maybe

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>>55306297
Lithium mine let's you see what's going on underground.

>>55306412
The oil rig is just a pump, it does way less damage then a gaping hole in the ground.

>>55306297
>Really makes you think...

>>>/pol/

>>55306420
>then
You sure seem like an intelligent individual with a valid opinion

>>55306440
>I was almost forced to properly respond to your argument, but luckily for me, it seems you have made a typo good sir.

>>55306440
>what are non-native English speakers

>>55306465
That's my first post in the thread you dumbass

>>55306470
Native or not you can bet your ass I'll make fun of you when you fuck up.

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>>55306297
Cherry picking pictures is a thing, pic related. oilsands.

>>55306427
Agreed.

Thinking is only for /pol/iticians

Reminds me of those fracking vs solar panel/wind power images that got shared.
"Oh look at this fracking site, it's 10 foot across and doesn't harm any surrounding areas, but those evil solar panels turn areas of lush greenland into deserts and wind turbines kill birds|"
Some people are blinkered

>>55306499
/pol/ has the statistically lowest IQ of any board, even /b/

>>55306486
You must be a fun person to hang out with then...

>>55306515
I am.

>>55306297
1. That's a copper mine
2. Lithium isn't mined, it's pumped out of ground.
3. 3/10 made me reply

>>55306470
native english speakers are actually more inclined to make mistakes like that.

>>55306509
Did they ever measure it?

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what a lovely thread

>>55306531
>electric motors don't have copper wiring
really makes you think, huh

"really makes you think" he solemnly posted from his lithium powered smartphone.

>>55306297
Really makes me think about how incredibly stupid you must be to find truth in that image, and the fact that many people do, and how depressing that is.

>>55306604
gasoline powered cars don't have copper wiring.
>really makes you think.

>>55306297
Who gives a fuck about a big hole in the desert where nothing grows anyway?

>>55306704
exactly, most of the times chemicals are responsibly mined anyway, except in places like africa. most problems arise due to the way they're handled, e.g. not properly disposing of a lithium battery, or driving a 40 year old car.

>>55306704
>>55306908
The metals and toxines will go into the atmosphere and pollute larger areas. It's far worse then CO2 "problems"will ever be.

ITT: people don't want to admit it takes materials to create things.

I wonder what a bismuth mine looks like...

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>>55306936
It must be beautiful.

>>55306933
>free lithium in the air for anyone to breathe
>less mental disorders and suicides is a bad thing

>>55307066
>believing the lithium meme
I bet you brush your teeth with fluoride toothpaste you pleb.

>>55306297
What is cherry picking?
What is a "huge gaping hole" that is just underground instead?
What is the destruction of our atnosphere because of exhaust from that oil?

Fuck your oil we should have embraced nuclear instead on our way to solar.

>>55306470
non-native English speakers NEVER make that mistake actually.

>>55307126
The steam released by nuclear reactors is just as bad as the CO2 emissions from oil burning energy plants. Nuclear energy isn't the solution, it's very maintenance heavy.

>>55307183
>The steam released by nuclear reactors is just as bad as the CO2 emissions from oil burning energy plants

how?

>>55307226
Because steam blocks light too just like CO2, that's why they are both consideren greenhouse gasses.

>>55306297
it really doesn't
it's just cherry picking
we just pretend to be stupid here
sorry we made you feel like you belong

>>55307250
Belong what, it's not my fault you are a normie and believe in the "electric car" meme.

>>55307235
wouldn't the steam cool off really quickly and turn into liquid again?

>>55306604
gas guzzlers have copper in them too. a ton actually, due to the shittiness of high-current 12V power.

>>55307235
and the clouds formed by condensed water vapour blocks incoming light. Crisis averted.

>>55307272
Not fast enough:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

Electric cars are a meme

>>55307086
>he doesn't use flouridated toothpaste
>he has shitty teeth
>he has to go to the dentist for a cleaning
>dental assistant puts straight flouride on his teeth

>>55306595
Really makes you think, huh?

>>55307303
Greenhouse gases work in a way that they let more light from outside the earth pass to the ground, while they block more of the radiation from the ground to the atmosphere.

>>55306933
>toxines

I'm assuming you mean toxin. Just to clear things up a toxin is something that is produced in a living thing (e.g. a poison made by a spider) where as in this case we'd mean a toxicant (something that is toxic).

The more you know.

>>55307262
how does me being a normie relate to you picking cherries while you never pop one?

>>55307304
interesting...
if everyone just left their fridge door open for a couple of days, global warming would be over within weeks. but sadly people are all egotistical assholes who can only worry about their energy bills.

>>55307320
Ah yeah toxins I mean excuse me.

>>55307235
steam just makes the air moist, hundreds of years of soot and shit is a bit different to that.

>>55307311
it does
shitposting is technology apparently

>>55307357
It's about the way we power our technology, which is technology too.

>>55307235
>literal fucking clouds are greenhouse gases
What bumfuck highschool did you go to?

>>55307235
Nice trolling

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>>55306297
That's a copper mine, OP. Lithium mines don't look anything like that.

>>55307389
>>55307304

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>>55306297
No, but compar recharging to pumping gas electric cars take more time and can cost money for space your car is taking while at a "free" charging station.

>>55306509
reddit has a much higher average IQ than 4chan

>>55307304
That article was talking about CO2 causing a feedback cycle with water vapor. Water vapor by itself isn't going to stay in the air forever.

>>55307440
9gag has an even higher average IG the reddit.

>>55307412
pretty much all strip mines look alike bruh, and lithium like most rare earths comes from china where they don't give a shit about the environment

>>55307425
also, electric cars aren't really emission free, they just offload their carbon footprint to powerplants, most of which still burn coal

don't get me wrong I'm all for advancement and enviro friendly shit but, I'd like for my advancements to move us forward, and our enviro friendly stuff to actually be enviro friendly

not to mention having your car turn into a useless lump of plastic and metal because you were parked too close to a transformer when it blew, is a bummer

>>55307536
>they just offload their carbon footprint to powerplants, most of which still burn coal
Protip: reactions done at a larger scale are more efficient than ones done at significantly smaller scale.

>>55306544
I noticed americans usually mix up 'ask' and 'axe'. Whats that all about?
On topic, meh, electric cars are another fad.

>>55306936
I thought bismuth was seeded.

>>55307763
>electric cars are another fad.

they're actually really neat.

>tremendous accelaration
>less maintenance
>no cancer gas sprayed right into your face
>far more energy efficient than combustion engine

the only big problem atm is battery technology being shit.

>>55306297
>Really makes you think...
No, not really.

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>>55306297
>Are electric cars a meme?
Consider this:
<This car had to retire from LeMans because the gearbox wasn't able to take all the torque the engine was pushing onto it.

>>55307763
>I noticed americans usually mix up 'ask' and 'axe'. Whats that all about?
It's more of an accent thing than actually mixing up the words. They're saying "ask", it just sounds like "axe." Though it's more common with people from the ghetto. Locally I've seen a series of commercials advertising 1-800-Ask-Gary and the spokeswoman there often sounds like she's saying "Axe", for example.

>>55307763
>I noticed americans usually mix up 'ask' and 'axe'
That's just black people

>obvious /pol/ thread
>average poster IQ drops below typical Apple thread

Really does make you think, huh?

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>>55306297
>fracking waste water which also is radioactive is not an issue

>>55306420
>does way less damage
>doesn't take into account the severe damages the oil actually can do to the environment

I have started blocking people on Facebook based on retarded behaviour like this.

>>55307971
>>tremendous accelaration
This is the only thing i like about electric cars to be honest.

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>>55307971
>>55308499
You're only lying to yourselves

>>55308052
that's something i don't understand about electric cars. to my knowledge a properely powered electirc motor can put out tremendous torque, basically making a gearbox obsolete. why do electric cars still use gearboxes?

>>55308555
They're right though, for the same reason trains are diesel electric instead of just diesel. An electric motor can provide 100% torque from 0RPM.

>>55308555
what a fucking pussy. no wonder he's called 'kuntman'.

>>55308555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqtJpfZElQ

>>55308555
I had fully electric in mind.
>dat instant torque

>>55308600
Because a car that only goes up to 43km/h isn't very useful to many people.

>>55308600
Opposite reason Bro, without gearing you have a beefy amount of torque but won't be going all that fast.

>>55308425
>using facebook

>>55307412
>>55307536

Lithium mines don't exist, you idiot, and Lithium production is significant in America and Argentina. China doesn't produce it any differently because there's really only one efficient way to get it in volume which also happens to be the most environmentally sound.


This stupid rare earths meme needs to stop. The only rare earth in those entire cars are in the computers (which all vehicles have) and the cobalt in the batteries. The powertrain has none.

>>55308675
>>55308696

i feel like such a retard now

>>55308668
>3klbs
vs
>1.5klbs
gee, I wonder which car will be faster⸮

>>55306604
>moving the goalposts

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>>55307235

This is the worst post I've ever seen on /g/

>>55306297
carbon is emitted by literally everything. Muh carbon emissions from post-industrial tech is literally nothing compared to what all organisms on earth including bacteria and shit produce

>>55308600
Because of torque multiplication and limitations on rotational speed.

>>55308754
>contribute to maing it higher overall because 'those damn backteerya dun it'

I will never understand this mentality.

>>55308754
>doesn't understand what sequestered carbon is
Republicans, people.

>>55306427
>>>>/pol/
What did he mean by this?

Reminder that electric cars are only as eco-friendly as the source of the electricity
Yeah, in a place like British Columbia in Canada, electric cars are fine, but otherwise, you're just causing more oil/coal to be burned

>>55306492
Well what do you call this ant picing?

>>55307235
>clouds are greenhouse gasses
Why even bother saving the Earth, it;s obviously trying to kill itself.

>>55306420
>a gaping hole in the ground.
Were you dropped as an infant!? What the hell do you think is left over when the oil is pumped out?

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>>55308872

>>55306297
Fun fact: lithium only forms in less inhabitable areas. i.e. salt flats.

>>55308845
Wrong.

>>55308671
This desu. Rode a Victory Impulse a week ago and it was decently quick

>>55308929
>lithium only forms in less inhabitable areas
Does that also mean it forms in more habitable areas?

>>55308741
Match the weight and I guarantee the electric car would still beat the gas engines off the line

>>55308959
inhabitable: suitable to live in; habitable.

>>55308959
There is only one place on earth where nothing lives. The places that lithium forms rarely have wildlife (but do have microbes).

>>55308707
I suppose I phrased it wrong. Lithium production comes from flats, it's not really mined. Doesn't change the fact that the image is a fucking copper mine and the image is intellectually dishonest.

>>55308741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2cdwpg0jI

>>55306297
.>one image is a very solid point for discution

>>55309004
So they're synonyms?
Man, english is so fucking stupid.

>>55308555
Is this the same faggot that said firing an AR-15 was horrifying?

>>55309121
It has plenty of rule contradictions.

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>>55308855
this is my wallpaper now

>>55309148
Yes. It seems to be a parody calling him a pussy.

>>55306297
This image is presumably bait but it makes me SO FUCKING ANGRY

>>55306297
Eectric cars won't (don't) pay a fuel tax that pays for your roads. But they still contribute to the wear and tear of those roads. The more electric cars the worse the state of your roads.
Any taxes paid by electric cars for the power that goes into their batteries won't be ear-marked for road funds the way fuel tax is.
How adaptable is your state government?

>>55309492
Tankers and trailers fuck up roads more than cars so once they're out the roads should last 20 times more which should counter the lack of the tax income.

>>55307315
I know how greenhouse gases work. Clouds negate the core problem of water vapour as greenhouse gases.

>>55306987
>bismuth
Wow those were ten minutes of my life looking at pretty images, thanks for this post anon.

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/

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This is the mine where iron ore is extracted to produce the steel used in both cars.

>>55310164
I work 100kms up the road from this mine at another iron ore mine.
Currently on site now.
Ask me anything.

>>55312515
anyone fall to their death down the side?

>>55312515
do you have lung cancer from the air yet?

>>55310019
So again, OP is a faggot and a liar. Thread over.

>>55312544
There has been many incidents with rocks falling down the tailing slopes and many deaths through other means.

No, but i do find it disturbing the former township of wittenoom is less than 100kms from my location. (Blue asbestos)

Also i worry about silicosiseven though the company says we have nothing to worry about.

>>55306935
I mean, I wonder what all the other fields for raw materials look like for ever other part of the car.

In the end, its still a fucking car whether it has a combustible engine, or an electric motor with a power bank.

>>55306297
That's a diamond mine you silly cuck

>>55307235
blocking light is what we want dumbass. lrn 2 greenhouse

>>55308845
>more coal
>solar
>hydro
>wind
>nuclear

try again cuck

>>55308819
the under-educated republican meme doesn't make sense anymore considering most democrats have social "science" degrees.

>>55309492
>>55309544
weather (particularly ice for cement and high temperatures for asphalt) fucks up roads more than any vehicles.

>>55308555
>prius
man i cant stop thinking about that one doujin where some dude gets raped by a loli because he drove a prius

>>55308754
Congratulations, you don't understand what the carbon cycle is.
Please go back to primary school science class.

>>55308845
Actually, because of the better thermodynamic efficiency even a 100% coal powered electric car is still basically on par with an equivalent petrol vehicle.
And really, almost nowhere has an excuse for making 100% of their electricity from coal these days.

>>55306492
Need a higher res for desktop, beautiful.

>>55306604
Copper is recyclable.

>>55313191
>>55309173

>>55307320
That is good to know.

>>55306297
>is it a troll?
>no just another "conservative" retard

>>55306297
Makes me think how that coal burns much more cleanly in that controlled environment

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>>55313187

>>55312515
Do you get paid mad dosh?

>>55306420

Oil sands is not oil, its just sand. Its more damaging to the environ than lithium mining.

Both are water intensive though, and alberta and most lithium mine sites are dry and remote.

>>55309173

Thats only 1/10th of the mining in Alberta, its supposed to increase 50% in the next 15 years so nearly the entire upper half of Alberta will be the oil industry.

>>55306297
Batteries can get recycled. Oil sands can never be recycled within human timespans.

>this whole thread
OMG wow I hate /g/ now?

>>55313844
Yes. Approx 180k all inclusive package. But it comes at a price... i work 2 weeks straight and have one week off.

>>55308179
This.

>>55315049
> i work 2 weeks straight and have one week off

indefinitely? if so, that sounds really good.

>>55308425
>>doesn't take into account the severe damages the oil actually can do to the environment
Because heavy metals like lithium aren't doing any harm. It's not like there's tons of pollution from making the batteries, disposing of the batteries and even from the fucking electricity you use to charge your battery, right?
It's funny how people "concerned with the environment" actually have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

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>>55315707
>Lithium
>Heavy Metal

>>55315383
No. I am full time.
My roster is 2 weeks on (14 12hr shifts, 7 days 7 nights) and flown home to perth for 1 week off upon completion of my last night shift.

We stay at a camp here which provides our meals, essentials and accomodation.

The money sure is good but it can be a lonely existence and it is hard to sustain a relationship like this.
Alot of people come here to pay off large chunks of their mortgage etc then proceed to gtfo.

>>55315877
Good thing that changes nothing. It's still polluting the environment to produce and use these shitty cars.

>>55312988
You can't just say that and then not provide source.

>>55308741
>Three kilopounds
>One and a half kilopounds

Boy, that aint natural.

>>55308179
>black people
>people

>>55306515
Rly maeks u thnk.

>muh environment!

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>>55306297
>>>/yourcontainmentboard/

>>55306297
>Really makes you think...
If you are a fucking retard, then maybe, it makes you think.

And if it does, then /pol/ awaits you

Did the man who invented electric cars drive an electric car? Hmm, okay then

now multipy that oil rig by several thousand. Also Lithium can be reprocessed and reused.

>>55306987
>Out of fucking nowhere

Aww yeah, it's motherfucking Bismuth

>>55306420
Isn't oilsand fracking?

>>55316623
>Grapes


>Dumb /pol/ poster

cars can be run off of a gallon of water, yet no one cares

>>55316753
weeb and a /pol/ack

>>55316753
>A jew weaboo

Lowest humanoid trash

>>55306297
Okay I will level with you
- A lithium battery is good for four years
- The same volume of gasoline is good for one or two hundred miles
- Lithium batteries are recyclable, which makes them virtually limitless.
- You will never stop having to make new oil pits to get more oil
- Considering the demand vs the amount available for both, lithium supply is virtually infinite and oil is liable to run out within centuries.
- Oil makes a shitload of greenhouse gases. Except for coal, all electric power sources are significantly cleaner than gasoline in terms of air pollution.
- Oil production may look "clean" when it's just pulled from oil wells, but making oil from tar sands is polluting as fuck, and fracking wastes a shitload of clean water on top of sullying the clean water in the area where it's done.
- Explosion engines require more maintenance

That's what your post made me think. Congrations.

>>55316851
>>55316800
>>55316753
FUCK OFF TO /pol/ BOTH OF YOU

>>55316874
really made me think.....

>>55316889
Kawaii tomatuuu

>>55307471
What's IG, Innate Gayness? I'll agree to that

>>55306297
Yeah, mining in a dead as fuck desert with nothing alive in a hundred mile radius vs Destroying a forest so you can put a giant polluting shitmine in the middle is so much better.

I don't even understand the logic of putting this picture up, I think OP is so retarded he doesn't understand the difference between mining in a dead desert and destroying forests.

>>55306297
>lithium
>mine

The fuck am I reading?

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>>55306297
The intense stupidity of this post and the number of average joe citizens who take it as fact gave me insight as to why we aren't using NPPs for almost all of our power. People are too dumb to realize the safeties in place 200% guarantee a Chernobyl will never happen, and think a fucked up Russian knock off reactor in the 1970s with zero working failsafes is comparable to something built today.

So many better energy solutions wasted thanks to the ignorance of the masses.

>>55317097

Shudup and get me a burger wit fries. Hold the mayo.

>>55317097
Yeah but nuclear power makes a shitload of waste. If we're gonna replace fossil-fuel plants, shouldn't we rather invest in hydroelectricity, solar, wind, and in figuring out satellite solar panels and nuclear fusion?

>>55317171
>taqyyia
Taqya means you're allowed to deny your faith if you're about to get killed over it. It has nothing to do with the global islamic conspiracy you're imagining in your tiny little weeb brain.

>>55317171
Tomatu protect the chosen people of Zion from the scourge of retarded /pol/fags

>>55317201
Yeah, for sure, but it is a fantastic interim solution. Also modern NPPs produce far less waste and the waste itself is less hazardous with thorium replacing uranium.

>>55317215
filthy shia you are never allowed to deney your faith for you will never go to heaven

>>55317356
No it doesn't. Look it up and avoid getting your information from white brotherhood websites this time.

>>55317356
I get kuffir and kaffir confused.

>>55312515

tom price?

I've been to Newman, Mt Whaleback is incredible

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If only there was a truly environmentally friendly way to transport yourself and the handful of belongings you actually need on your daily commute.

Why Electric Cars are the future:

https://youtu.be/ib-02b2ooLY?t=4m12s

>>55317496
Yeah man, I'll just ride a bike two hours each way to and from work. You're a genius, Mr. Hipster.

>>55317589
Why would you choose to work 50 km away from home?

>>55317606
Because I work in downtown Detroit.

>>55317723
kek well there's your fucking problem

>>55317496
that's not a picture of a train

>>55317416
No, but close by.

Directly halfway between Newman and Tom Price if you could draw a straight line.

>>55316992
>>55316973
>>55316865
>>55316577
>>55316536
>>55314730
>>55313562
>>55312646
>>55309392
>>55309115
>>55308205
>>55307412
>>55307250
>>55307126
>>55317097
Why does the truth always trigger so many people?

>>55315707
>heavy metals like lithium
Thanks for the laugh.
Lithium is the 3rd lightest element that exists. But nice try.

>>55317742
Probably due to the "truly environmentally friendly" condition.

>>55317773
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002667.htm
He meant toxic

>>55306322
this
>not not looking with your eyes

>>55317769
Lithium isn't mined. Period.

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>>55317769
>truth

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>>55317742
This is a train.

>>55307183
Do you even engineering bro? Do you know how about the design of nuclear power plants? The steam and water is in a closed system, only the cooling water is not in a closed system and it does not emit tons of steam because it cools down to liquid form before.

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JUST BUY A SCOOTER YOU FAGGOTS

>>55317496
>implying growing food and irrigating it has no effect on the enviroment

>>55317997
Thanks /n/.

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>>55318037

>>55306604
>my house doesn't have copper pipes
Really makes you think doesn't it

>>55307536
Lithium isn't a rare earth you cretin.

>>55312728
You're fucking sentence makes no sense. What does one have to do with the other. Most repubs are uneducated white trash with an opinion.

>>55308707
this

>>55317804
Everything is toxic.

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>>55318046
>growing food and irrigating it

Yeah I mean look at this shit. Almost as bad as ripping up the earth hundreds of meters deep and burning up hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.

>>55318147
My house actually doesn't, it's all pvc and pex. The only copper is on fixtures or places were it's required.

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>>55318268
Yea! Irrigation dindu nuffin!

>>55318342
That's just Russia failing at everything.

>>55306297
Admins please ban this fucking retard. He has officially triggered me

haha well memed.

cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response

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>>55318373
yeah see it was those gosh darn russians! nothing to do with diverting rivers for crops or as a water source!

>>55318428
It's true, though, their incompetence caused that.

>>55318287
holy shit you're house is trash tier lmao

>>55318459
pic you responded to is colorado river so i dont know if you're even trying anymore

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>>55307304

>>55318483
Yea, so what? I was talking about the Aral Sea and only that.

>>55306297
>Mining oil + burning oil = 2 polluting stages

>Mining for battery = 1 polluting stage

>Oil = pollution at mining site and city
>battery= pollution at mining only (healthier air at city)

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>>55318586
Where do you think electricity comes from?

>>55312605
never believe the company.

>>55318088
those are condensers senpai. Do... Do you have any idea what that means?

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>>55318644
Right here fám.

https://www.dom.com/corporate/what-we-do/electricity/generation/nuclear/north-anna-power-station

>>55318781
This is just STALKER waiting to happen.

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>>55306531
>>55306604

>>55306595

>>55318832
Stay jelly coal fag :^)

>>55318850
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>55308600
Most electric cars don't have gearboxes.

>>55319126
>using the >using the smiley with a carat nose meme

>>55319126
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4ivl4c/using_the_smiley_with_the_carat_nose/
no worries your favorite page for all your answers :^)
I understand social skills on the internet are difficult :^)

>>55318147
>copper pipes
>Not using lead
Shit house desu.

>>55319310
>not depleted uranium for superior longevity

>>55319236
The only ones that don't have hub motors, which aren't many.

>>55317496
>2016.5
Get an e-bike, poorfag.

>>55317804
Don't eat batteries, then.

>>55319397
I'm not 90 years old or American.

>>55318287
>my house doesn't have copper, except for the places where there is copper
Really makes you think, huh

>>55318781
North America generates more kilowatts from wind than nuclear now. Also more jobs in wind power.

>>55319443
To my eternal despair.

What's bad isn't that you have to mine a hole in the ground, you retards........
Here in Germany, we have a lot of lakes that are man-made, because we used to mine for goods, but after we were out of resources, we filled the hole up with water and now they're beautiful lakes, adored by many for recreational sports such as swimming, snorkeling, motorboating, fishing, etc.

What's bad about the oil is:
1. it's a very limited resource that we will run out of soon, this is the reason we're looking for alternatives in the first place
2. when you burn that shit, it rips a hole into the atmosphere of earth

Also:
>>55306470
It's okay if you're not perfect at English, neither am i, but if you make a mistake and someone points it out, you should learn from the mistake and try not to do it again. that's how you learn a language.

>>55307235
Is this real life?

>>55319443
>Also more jobs in wind power

aka it's more expensive?

>>55317487
When will you fuck off to
>>/a/
..more of your kind there

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Animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, more than all transportation combined.

>>55319708
The moon in the sky at night in Dodge City, Kansas was green.

>>55319708
So what's your point?

>>55319708
Meat is tasty, and 50% of all transportation is dedicated to getting meat to people.

Meat is more important than the environment. You need to understand this.

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>>55319787
people here are talking about destruction of the environment, i'm saying that animal products are unnecessary and are producing the problems. Everything else can remain as is for this civilizations productivity and that would be fine.

>>55306297
The thing about this image that really infuriates me is that there's an easier way to shitpost about electric cars then having to make misleading images.

All you have to do is say "The plant that generated that energy you used to charge your car polluted the environment just as much as a gas powered car would."

>>55306297
lithium mine looks cool, and they broke mountains instead of cutting trees, which is better.

>>55320044
Or you can shitpost with old memes. I made this thread last night but people are still falling for the obvious bait.

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>>55319708
when you factor that methane is like 50x more destructive, that 18% becomes 51%

>>55319708

Heavy industry has always been the biggest producer of greenhouse gases and other nasty stuff since the industrial revolution.

The EU, Canada, USA just moved almost of it away into China and India.

China and India are ecological disasters in the making.

Agriculture is no picnic either whatever it is from livestock or crops. The mega-fertilizers that are used in a high-yield crops depend on petrol chemicals.

>>55319236
This pretty much. They just have one set of gears after the output of the motor, but no transmission. The gear ratio is fixed

>>55309492
oh my god and when more and more people start driving electric cars there is absolutely no way to adjust to that problem by changing tax rates whatsoever. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO!?

this is such a fucking retarded argument. I hope you feel embarassed

>>55308754
Hi FriendsOfScience.org, please tell me more reassuring things so I can sleep easy on a pillow made of all my first world privileges while the planet slowly moves to its self-destruction.

>>55306297
I don't understand why hipster faggots defend their hybrids, and electric cars.

The materials to gather for the batteries do a lot of damage to land, and you have to use coal, or oil anyways to charge the battery. So, 2x the environmental damage. Ooo then, you gotta dispose of the battery after a couple years, unlike a standard engine that you can crush down, and recycle, you're stuck with a fucking toxic batter to rot away, and leak somewhere, and in 3rd world countries, that toxic acid will be right in our ocean waters, and unlike oil, it doesn't float.

>>55317769
>Lies being refuted = truth triggering people
Over half the posts you linked to are arguments based on facts.

>>55320001
>i'm saying that animal products are unnecessary and are producing the problems

Except the human organism cannot function without animal products. But yeah, you don't need to have a pound of beef for dinner every day.

>>55306297
I'll take that mine(it's not that big, even) over quake causing fracking any day.

>>55320283
>The materials to gather for the batteries do a lot of damage to land
Mining cause holes. Holes are not "environmental" problems. They can be filled up and reforested. You can't reforest a place covered in tar sands and you can't clean the water polluted by fracking.

>you have to use coal, or oil anyways to charge the battery.
Coal energy is very sparsely used in first world countries. Oil is a lot less polluting than gasoline. So is nuclear energy, hydroelectric power, wind power and solar power. You have to take the entire park of power sources in account, or you're just cherry picking.

> you gotta dispose of the battery after a couple years,
The batteries are recycled by facilities specialized in recycling car batteries.

Why are people who are so mind-bogglingly ignorant on the matter always actively taking the side of gasoline? Why are you so emotionally attached to this?

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>>55320143
no, animal agriculture is the biggest producer of greenhouse gases at 51%. Everything else is necessary for our advancement as a civilization. Fertilizers are nothing to worry about, its okay that it relies on petrol. Animal agriculture is now responsible for 91% of the amazons deforestation at the year 2016

The main problem is there's 1000x more people on this planet than necessary. Everything is not bad in moderation, and oil is not just fuel. Your fucking PCs and phones need it as well.

>>55320107
>fat people are destroying our planet
We need to force a fat tax or something.

>>55320422
thats not true, why do you believe this?

>>55320528
Meat doesn't make you fat, dumbass.

>>55320422
insects would be a better resource of animal protein than cattle. they are cheaper and way more sustainable.

>>55320560
more meat is needed if people eat to much.

>>55320443
Why are you so anal at defending a product that does as much damage as gas burning vehicles?

Why are people not for a vehicle that runs on corn ethanol?

>>55306297
Reminder that 100% of environmental regulations are in place so that jealous beta cuckolds can leech money off of people who actually produce for society.

>>55318752
>Deney the vapour

>trollthread.jpg

>>55318088
It's water vapor. Nothing less, nothing more.

>>55320673
>not knowing water vapour is a greenhouse gas

>>55320672
see
>>55320082

>>55320608
>Why are you so anal at defending a product that does as much damage as gas burning vehicles?
Because they don't.
>Why are people not for a vehicle that runs on corn ethanol?
Holy fuck, are you stupid?

>>55320001
Alternatively, something no one seems to grasp, is all emissions can be reduced.

http://climate.nasa.gov/

>inb4 hurrdurr derp

>>55320283
>The materials to gather for the batteries do a lot of damage to land
No.
>and you have to use coal, or oil anyways to charge the battery.
Not necessarily.
>So, 2x the environmental damage.
Where did you come up with that number? Your ass?
>Ooo then, you gotta dispose of the battery after a couple years, unlike a standard engine that you can crush down, and recycle, you're stuck with a fucking toxic batter to rot away, and leak somewhere, and in 3rd world countries, that toxic acid will be right in our ocean waters, and unlike oil, it doesn't float.
Jesus Christ, could you know less?

>>55320701
It is the opposite of that. CO2, CH4 and other greenhouse gases are opaque in infrared range, thus they trap infrared radiation that would otherwise go in space(remember how ancient desert "refrigerators" work - they could reach freezing temperatures at night) and cool the earth down. Water vapor forms clouds that reflect sunlight back into space achieving the same result. So does ice by the way(which also traps greenhouse gases in clathrates). More greenhouse gases - more heat - less ice, which leads to more heat and greenhouse gases. I already cannot fathom how can Southern people tolerate that shit and it will only get worse.

If people would just stop having 5 kids this would be a non-issue.

>>55320955
*People* aren't having 5 kids each.

>>55321026
ok, indians and mexicans

>>55320934
CO2's main issue isn't even greenhouse effect, but the ocean acidification - oceans are the main "carbon sink" on the Earth - it holds in CO2 form, in living organisms and in carbonate form. Because of rising acidity ocean life already starts to suffer, carbonates dissolve and the remaining capacity decreases even faster. But this might be our salvation if we can prove iron seeding is safe in the long run.

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>>55320528
the government doesn't need to micromanage your live, we don't need an overseer.

>>55320560
people that tend to eat more meat tend to get far more calories overall, there are studies saying this. Statistically, if meat as a percentage of your diet is higher than you are going to be more likely to be overweight, more likely to have diebetis, more likely to have high blood pressure, more likely to have cardiovascular diseases etc

>>55320608
Ethanol isn't very efficient and needs to be subsidized by force to exist on the market in any noticeable amount

>>55320565
this is true (i'm still against it ethically but that'd be a good alternative for others)

>>55320626
yes! The market can regulate itself, this is written about. read murray rothbard to get an idea of how this might work and if you want to go deeper, there is plenty of content at mises.org

>>55320759
even though the market is twisted through unnatural intervention it will still overcome everything. Eventually animal agriculture will be far more expensive and more of a luxury thus reducing use, thus reducing its negative effects. Eventually fossil fuels will become more and more expensive compared to renewable energy usage which is only getting cheaper and cheaper. Once renewable energy is just as expensive as fossil fuels thats when everything changes. This will all happen and it feels good to be on the right side of history

>>55320955
there will never be a population problem. government intervention restricts movement and that IS a problem

>>55321125
>there will never be a population problem.

there ALREADY is a population problem

you can't tell me that if we shrunk the world population by 25%, we wouldn't be better off

unemployment would drop to nothing, allowing people to live more fulfilling lives

>>55306297
Your a fucking idiot. Go back to Instagram, bitch.

Focusing on automobile emissions was a mistake

>coal mining, transport, and burning? nah
>deforestation? for hippies.
>overfishing? also for hippies.
>the large scale mining and manufacturing necessitated by americans and their irrational desire to "upgrade" their computers just so they'll be thinner, even if they perform worse and have fewer hardware features? okay, we're in straight up neckbeard territory here, buying then newest applel gets you laid! buy more applel! ignore chinese smog!
>ancient cars without modern emissions systems spewing out much worse than Co2? Retards who drive diesel? Nah let's just ignore that this is america you can drive what you want
>Co2 emissions? TRASH YOUR CARS FAMALAM WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A PRIUS

little do you know it's actually about
not spending money on fuel

We would have been better off halting all car production and retrofitting rust buckets with horsepower-slaughtering emissions systems before transitioning to EVs with a mandated battery recycling program

You want range? Take the electric train

>the free market won't allow this

>>55321167
there are better ways of improving the economy than to make 25% of the worlds population disappear. Governments create the incentive to be unproductive. There is a problem with restriction of movement on this planet by artificial means.

>>55321125
>vegan and libertarian
How do you go through every day with the burden of being such an immense faggot?

>we have to a wait until the market makes renewable energy more affordable
Oooh. Fabulous idea. By how many degrees do you think global temperature will have raised when the magic and always benevolent invisible hand of the market decides to catch up with scientific literature?

Making the planet sustainable is a societal problem. You can't solve it at the level of the individual. That's wishful thinking.

>>55321292
>There is a problem with restriction of movement on this planet by artificial means.

And this is why you become an MD or PhD in a hard science

>>55321244
>there are several problems to solve therefore only addressing one of them is fallacious and therefore it is futile.
Two logical fallacies in the same argument. Kek.

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>>55321125

>>55321125
>government intervention restricts movement and that IS a problem

You mean doesn't restrict it enough and that's the problem. Niggers, arabs and indians breed like rats reaching numbers far surpassing what their land can sustain, then spread all over the world to feed off of other nations' lands.

>>55321367
Most of them are poor as shit. What more do you want?

>>55321396
6 hours, probably.
>40km in one direction

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>>55321125
Oh boy another retarded vegetarian that relies on a complex system of crop transport and supplement manufacturing to stay alive

>meat makes u fat if u eat 2 much meat, kinda hard 2 eat 2 much lettuce, rly makes u think

You're not on the right side of history, you're an extremist. The people on the right side of history are still eating meat, but just buying it in smaller quantities from local sources. And they're not buying beef, because cows are fucking shit at everything. Try pigs or poultry.

>yields still smaller
You said yourself that meat has more calories (and levels of some nutrients) overall.

1lb tomatoes is 81 calories, tomatoes are a dietary supplement
1lb potatoes is 347 calories and mostly starch, potatoes are a dietary supplement
1lb of of bread from wheat is 1,194 calories and it is not recommended that you live off bread
Figures for beef, pork, and chicken are close to bread
Figures for beans are sky fucking high but you'll be malnourished if you live off beans but why the fuck wouldn't you mention beans

or bugs, which have the nutritional content of meat without the difficulty of producing a larger animal with more limited food sources

>>55317496
It definitely isn't that outdated piece of shit that literally only exists for children and recreation

>ebike has a smaller battery
>ebike has baller range
>ebike actually goes fast
>your armor is made from 100% recycled panda farts
>you can recycle all of the ebike if you somehow destroy it
>and make more ebikes
>your shitty bicycle will probably be recycled into an ebike

Just add a protective bubble for then normies and an extra back wheel and it's perfect

>>55321310
>>vegan and libertarian
>How do you go through every day with the burden of being such an immense faggot?

this made me smile, thanks.

Freedom will work better than the creatures we have now. I won't live to see it but i will be on the right side of history.
https://vimeo.com/27326051#t=7m

Since no one posted it, why OP is full of shit

imgur.com/gallery/2hDIc

>>55321347
The one we're addressing isn't a severe problem though. It's not inherently damaging. It can be managed without the activity itself being reduced.

And we're "solving" it by making some of the other problems worse.

It's actually about not spending money on gas (but the net return on a tesla is worse than the net return on a honda civic that's had its mileage and efficiency slaughtered by exhaust filter after filter)

>>55321439
why don't you live closer to work?

>>55321500
well... i've tried to post the video here starting at 7 minutes but it refuses

>>55321422
For them to be poor as shit on their own land.
Maybe when they have to live with the consequence of having 8 kids in an overcrowded broke shithole, they'll think for a moment before having those 8 kids when the option to emigrate and have white people feed them is no longer available.

>>55321562
I don't like living in a big city. Plus 25km of it are a highway, it takes me 40 minutes in the morning.

>>55321452
i can't even begin to unravel this i'm sorry.

>>55321613
>1.5 hours a day spent in commute

I would literally kill myself

>>55321562
>Through advances in technology we have eliminated the archaic need to build civilization around our places of employment and can now live wherever the fuck we want and still have civilization
>Well anon, my shitty fucking outdated meme mode of transportation thats only benefit is being cheap and simple enough for a hobo to own is really slow, so forget that!

>>55321601
>darkies that breed like rabits
>thinking
>ever

>>55321601
wah emergrants get on welfare for a few months when they move in before taking a shitty job i couldn't hold to save my life because i'm too limp-wristed

stay mad. if your biggest problem in life is brown people, you really don't have enough real problems.

>>55321630
That's because it's right, you hippie piece of trash.

The future is fed with bugs and beans. Most other things will continue to be mere supplements.

You are an extremist taking a moral position rather than a practical position that has jack shit to do with the effective use of limited resources like "fertile land"

And those bugs? Tragically easy to grow - and harvest! - indoors. Like on multi-story buildings. That's what I call efficient. And it eliminates the land-must-be-fertile problem altogether.

If you wanted to be ecological you would take the bus or a bike.

>>55321746
if you wanted to be ecological you'd want a government that took every bit of metal and fuel put into manufacturing those buses and bikes and build a train

after that, you'd walk

>>55321670
>on welfare for a few months
>this level of delusion

The height of the migrant crisis was summer last year. How many more brown trash men, plumbers and janitors do you think appeared in Europe since then?

>>55321840
The number of polish garbage men and plumbers minus five

migrants are bad for poland econonony

>>55321840
>>55321863
>>55321670

remove the incentive to move there is what i say. government intervention is the source of all problems. if they didn't have a monopoly of force they couldn't steal from productive people

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>>55321452
Ebikes are a retarded concept. Cycling is one of the most (if not the most) efficient ways of muscle powered transportation, you don't need assistance unless you're old or an invalid. If you want to rely on an outside power source on your two wheeled vehicle you might as well get a motorcycle.
If anything, those are a much better idea, with protection from the elements, more comfortable seating and ability to maintain 40 km/h effortlessly on flat asphalt.

>>55321947
Oh, that's easy. All we gotta do is kill all terrorists in the middle east.

Oh wait.

>>55321985
>motorcycle
It's like you're ASKING to become a roadkill.

>>55320955
>>55321026
Yeah, but you guys forgot that one single american use more resources than a whole family in the third world.

>>55321985
My town has a lot of up and down slopes and depending on the direction you want to take and the choice of roads you make, biking to any given place can be excruciating. Ifi I could, I'd get an ebike just so I can breeze up the slopes and I'd pedal the rest of the way.

>>55322004
what do you mean? terrorist organizations may exist without government but be far smaller than they are today. they only exist because of government intervention in the first place, the us government created isis, al queda, most others. They gave them the weapons, the training, the equipment, everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

>>55322077
Stop blaming everything on the fucking government you dumb fucking idiot.

>>55322097
but am i wrong? freedom would work if you tried it

>>55321985
>a bicycle is supposed to be 100% muscle-powered because i said so!!

or you slap on an electric motor and make it possible to travel long distances in a third of the time, while being less sweaty and still keeping it semi-healthy.

>>55321985
Ebike = electric motorcycle, dingus

as if the emissions from a regular one weren't negligible

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>>55322056
Those exist for a reason. You know that all ebikes do is make you lug around additional 20 kg of battery and engine (including up those hills)?

>>55322162
get an electric scooter and stop pretending to ride a bike, fatty.
>long distances in a third of the time
What ebikes go 75 km/h?

>>55307310
>he doesn't brush his teeth with charcoal mixed with horse semen
Enjoy your calcified pineal gland pleb

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>>55316958

>Want to refer to an electric motorcycle
>Say e-bike, because motorcycles are bikes
>It turns out there are actually people retarded enough to attach electric motors to pedal bikes
>Mopeds are still around

why

>>55322300
What's wrong with a motor on a bicycle?

>>55322317
It stops being a bicycle.

>>55322251
>lugging around

not sure why you consider it lugging around when it's helping me move

>>55322322
And?

>>55322300
>It turns out there are actually people retarded enough to attach electric motors to pedal bikes

How is this retarded. You can lightly pedal and decrease the amount of electrical energy you need to store on the bike (read: battery size and motor size) by quite a lot without much effort.

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>>55322300
>electric motorcycle

do you actually mean motorcylce as in pic related? and you would seriously ride an electric powered version of those things on a highway at 70 mph? you realize electric motors are almost completely silent, right? it would be the ultimate suicide machine.

>>55322322
witness literal autism right here people

>>55322344
And nothing. Like attaching handlebars to a skateboard. You can do it, but it's not a skateboard anymore. Whether or not the end effect makes sense and has a right to exist is a different discussion.

>>55322344
>>55322333
>>55322322
>>55322300
>>55322266

sweet jesus, all those successive dubs...i'm going to cum.

>>55322434
I live in a country where the roads are actually in really good condition, plus there are also a lot of special bicycle roads. Combine that with the fact that traffic in major cities is absolute hell, putting an electric motor on your bicycle becomes a really attractive alternative to every other form of transportation.

>>55322333
Like carrying a kayak because you need to cross a river at one point.

>>55322097
But it literally was the government.

>>55322569
>what is pedal assist

>>55322569
Uh... It's an engine. It helps you pedal. The weight is compensated by its functionality. Do you get the principle? Are car engines dead weight too?

>>55320196
That is a gearbox. Gearboxes don't have to have multiple ratios.

>>55312515
What do you do?