Polaris = too late

>I have a 290x, why should I upgrade?
No one here knows or cares.
>>>/reddit/

There's no reason to. Just enjoy the fact that a card you bought back in 2013/2014 is still relevant. If you bought it later than that then lel

AMD
>Cheap midrange trash
>chips for gaming consoles

Nvidia
>High end mobile gpus
>High end desktop gpus for both gaming and 3d work
>Technology for self driving cars
>CUDA support in Autodesk, Adobe, many other peofessional programs

Hmm I wonder why AMD hasnt produced a high end chip against someone they cant compete against

>>55127936
>below the 390x
This is embarassing

>>55127961
yeah, probably

>>55128075
Check the Extreme and Ultra scores.

>>55128064
i wonder why a company that is barely profitable and constantly losing money would risk so much R&D to capture the 13% of the high end discrete GPU market when they can clinch the 87% which buys GPUs ranging from $100 - $300 instead?

dummy

>>55128075
It's underclocked. At normal clocks it's around Nano levels.

>Poolaris

>>55128760

>underclocked
>AMD
>imblying any overclocking ability

fuck off to /v/ shill

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>>55128801

>Why AMD does not release a 490x?

Because he himself said that there's on fucking cunty anon on 4chan who he cannot stand the likes of. He also said that they had the Vega in overstock, all highly binned, on standby since early 2014, but as Shiva as his witness, he would forcefully delay the launch simply to mildly irritate that anon. Even if that meant to bring the company down to the loo.

>>55128851
the whole 7xxx series was underclocked thats why it could beat pretty much anything at the time..

>>55128801
epic!!!!

>>55127936

You think they will lower the price of the 390 once the poolaris comes out? The 390 seems a better option if it's cheaper

>>55127936

Because they wait for HBM2 volume production. nVidia probably holds back the 1080ti for HBM2. They'll also release new titan card before that with risk production HBM2

>>55128851
>algready having forgotten the g86 and g92 fiasco, as well as the mess that was the gtx 480 before and at launch

>>55127936
Don't upgrade it then. Was that so hard?
>>55128064
How out of the loop are you?

>>55127936
Vega is the 490X. You should wait if you really want a high-end GPU. AMD will launch those cards in october.

>>55129792
Considering the 390 sucks down literally 3x the power for worse performance than Polaris it's likely the 390 will just be discontinued and old product used for rmas.

>>55130258
Vega 10 is 490
Vega 11 is fury

There will be no 490x, it clutters the lineup too much.

>>55130290
>Vega 10 is 490
>Vega 11 is fury
Stop posting this, it's fucking wrong. Vega 10 is Vega. Vega 11 is your fantasy. Polaris 10 is desktop, Polaris 11 is mobile. There is no such separation for Vega.

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>>55127936
>I have a 290x, why should I upgrade?
You shouldn't even upgrade to Nvidia's high end cards as well. Vega and big Pascal is the upgrade you want. If AMD packs in the same density they had with Fiji on Vega, then it's going to be a behemoth of an upgrade. Polaris' improvements will give us a rough estimate of its performance when it comes out. Don't expect it anytime soon however, HBM2 is scarce and expensive.

>>55130290
>Vega 10 and 11
Why the fuck do people repeat this shit? Tell me where has AMD confirmed ANYTHING about Vega aside from it having HBM2.

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How come every single RX 480 firestrike score has been vastly different? Are some people doing the 4gb card and others doing the 8gb card?

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>480 hitting 1600 MHz on air

its ogre nvidia

None of you fags realize that manufaturer competition is a good thing and that we should ask for an AMD equivalent of the 1080s and 1070s

>>55130479
those are coming in a few months

>>55130479
>AMD equivalent of overpriced garbage
It's called the Radeon Pro Duo.

>>55130479
Where is the Nvidia equivalent of the RX 460, 470 or 480?

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>>55127936
What is that graph actually real

>>55130681
We've seen like three graphs from them.
When it was the C7 chip, inbetween the 980 and Fury, and now this.
We just have to wait for two weeks to see.

>>55130620
J-Just wait. It's fine to wait for Nvidia. It'll be better than the RX 480 and cheaper. Please just wait.

>>55127936
the 480 is half the power draw and has hdmi 2.0

>>55130709
kek i cant wait till amd pops up a shit tier card

>>55128064
>Nvidia
>gaming

lmao Arkham Knight and Arma3 would like to have a word, there's probably a bunch of other Nvidiot game fuckups I can't remember off the top of my head

>>55128635
87% of the GPU-s are in 100-300 range, and still I am in top 80% with my GTX 970 according to Futuremark

>>55130755
A 390/X on sale is still a really good buy for someone that doesn't care all that much about power efficiency.
It's a solid card, with known good performance, and the drivers are stable and mature.

>>55130829
That's because only people with good GPU's actually upload their benchmarks. I don't think that the 980ti is the 3rd most popular card on the market.

>>55129829
This. AMD has a good midrange offering with the 480, but I run triplewide, and I'm basically waiting to see an 8GB HBM2 card from each side before commit to what I hope will be my card for the next 2-3 years.

>>55130290
Vega 10 only, will be two chips like Polaris 10

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>>55130797

>Ark
>haha, time for DX12!
>DELAYED MOTHERFUCKER
>oh and suddenly gamesworks
>DX12? Nah, never heard of it mate

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Shieet. I wonder if it can even beat an overclocked 970.

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>videocardz posting even more benchmarks of the card clocked at 1080mhz instead of 1266
I wonder how much Nvidia is paying them

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>>55131025

The supposed beast mode cards are what we really should be looking for. The thought of another good lightning card for AMD makes me salivate. The 290x lightning was a monster.

>>55131054
There won't be "Beast Mode" 480's.
1. They're mid-range cards, so people won't buy them, they'll buy 1070's instead. There isn't a market for it.
2. The arch is designed for power efficiency, so I would expect to hit voltage limits before thermal limits, even on air.

>>55131025
AMD supposedly flashed each review sample with a different BIOS so they all have different clocks. This way they can identify the leakers.

>>55128075
For the half of the price

>>55130736
>wait
I'm pretty sure those Nvidia retards would buy a GTX 970 over a RX 480 because brand loyalty

>>55128064
Hows Gsync doing?

I'll cop 2 ref's one 4gb and a 8. Test it on fresh installed BF4. The I will Run it CF. On the 29th it my MicroCenter has it.

>>55127961
>three year old $550 cards are now equivalent to today's $200 cards

There's nothing to be sad happy or mad about, sounds like business as usual.

>>55132062
>because brand loyalty
Because drivers.

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>>55131099

>>55128635
There's still a lot of money in the professional market. AMD shouldn't abandon it altogether.

>>55130397
Probably because of early drivers.

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>>55131099
>no market for it
What planet do you love on?

>>55131099
Buddy? Are you ok?

>>55130975
Handily. Polaris has much higher ipcpc than Maxwell or Pascal.

>>55131332
Where's the source on that?

>>55128635
If that's the case then can your tiny drone brain explain to me how come Nvidia owns 82% of market share.

>>55133186
They don't. It's 70% at most, probably closer to 65%.

>>55133225
Doubt
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2015/08/19/nvidia-increases-desktop-gpu-market-share-again-despite-multiple-amd-radeon-releases/#736781b7250e

AMD ois waiting for more dx12 games to release. Once enough dx12 games at released in few months, the will popup a 490 and then still all over $800 1080s.

WHY THE FUCK ARE AFTERMARKET 1080s SO EXPENSIVE

WHAT THE FUUUUUCK I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE $100 LESS THAN THE FOUNDERS CARDS

>>55133263
Pajeet if you want to shill for your company on 4chan at least learn basics of English language.

>>55133253
why is the 1070 faster if the 480 has basically the same whatever-those-are numbers?

>>55133271
Cuz there is like 1 million in queue for them so sellers rip off impatient morons.

>>55132241

PLACEBO

>>55133296
Depends on architecture. AMD had GPUs that looked better on paper and yet ran 20% slower than Nvidia counterparts like 970/280x

>>55133296
Marketing son

we got 1070s and actual benchmarks

lets wait till the 480 is an actual thing before we say which is better

>>55133263
>waiting for direct x12 to be relevant


if your business model is to rely on enough people to make games on an architecture exclusive to an operating system 65% of people don't want.

you're fucked.

>>55133344
If anything hilariously enough majority of ppl willing to do the w10 jump are Nvidia high end GPU owners which want dx12 graphics without realizing that AMD is stronger on dx12.

got my r9 290x for $320 CDN. rx 480 will prob retail for $275-$299 CDN+tax and offer equal more or less equal performance. no reason to upgrade I can max out most games at 1080p60fps.

>>55132596
also linux

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>1450 - 1500mhz OC is a "given" for the AMD 6+8 pin 480 cards that will cost $300, my brother confirmed this 3 or 4 days ago, even before WCCFtech did.

>The Rx 480 @1500mhz creeps around the stock 1070 performance in directx12 games. Don't let those synth benchmarks get you thinking that is what the Rx 480 can only do...its a different beast when OC'd - AMD purposely left lots of OC headroom...their words.

>Rx 470 gets near the 390/x territory when OC'd and even close to the 980 depending on what games, especially the Dx12 games, what this OC is on the 470 i have no idea yet. So take with grains of salt until we know more.


>Like I mentioned before, my brother was at the two events a few weeks back and was given a ref 480, two of his colleagues have a few of the 6+8 pin Rx 480's from a specific AIB vendor and they get over 1500mhz on air without much work, even closer to the 1550/1600mhz area. The also noted that in-game, especially Dx12 games, they fly like eagles while still maintaining acceptable heat, on air, in closed box systems.

>>55132690
>what is the PRO duo

>>55128064
DUMMY DUMMY DUMMY

If two midrange AMD cards can beat a high end Nvidia card, how much more if AMD's high card card gets released? Tsk tsk.

DUMMY DUMMY DUMMY

>>55133738
>that cute card that close to a 290 for $150
HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG

>>55133635
Ah yes - wccftech posting. By Pajeets for Pajeet.

>>55133811
The price/performance is always better on mid range cards than high end cards. I'm willing to bet that two 1060's in Ashes of the Singularity will beat a 1080 as well.

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>>55132690

>>55133738
where is the source?

>>55133373
both sides are getting flat out scammed. but amd fags are the only ones using dx12 as if it's the only thing their cards have.

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I'm in a bit of the same boat as op. I've got a R9 390, and I was thinking of waiting to see what AMD and Nvidia announce by the end of the year, but (if the benchmarks are as good as we hope), an aftermarket 480 sounds like a great option, too. Keeping in mind that I only play at 1080p, and have no plan to upgrade my monitor any time soon. I just want steady, solid performance and FPS at 1080p.

One of the reasons I'm thinking of upgrading already is that I would end up gifting my current 390 to a bro of mine who's been out of work and short on cash for a while. He got my old GTX 760 when I picked up the 390. The low TDP, temps and price sound like the 480 could be the ideal card for me, but I'm still not sure if I could use the extra power of whatever is coming later in the year...

I really think that isn't the right moment to pick a high-end card. The 480 is just perfect for the 1080p60.

>1500 MHz on air

its all ogre nvidia

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>>55135296
>

Late for what?

>>55135363
Nobody has been able to replicate this.
Also, AMD clocks are better than nVidia clocks because IPC.

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>tfw video card died again
>putting it in the oven didn't work this time
>RX 460 will probably cost 500 NZD

j u s t

>>55135457
>amd only launch 14nm mid range cards

>>55135504
480 will cost ~450.
460 might cost $350 MAX

>>55134906
It was an accidental leack from Techpowerup

>>55135531
>nVidia only launch 14nm high end cards
It's good for both companies.

>>55135363
>>55135484
TPC did
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/30.html
Noted it ran way fucking hotter, and they use an open bench rather than a case.

>>55135618
Yeah, the heat is the problem. It thermal throttles on air and causes frame drops.

>>55133296
What the hell son? Their hardware specs are close but the 1070 is clocked significantly higher.

>>55135569
>want upgrade your card
>have the same performance than the old gen with amd

>>55135734
What is with people and needing to have the latest, most powerful shit?
R&D takes time, you have to wait for things to get better.

>>55133315
g sync and freesync aren't placebo
the monitor shows a frame when the frame is ready, this makes shit feel SO much better even at lower frame rates (have access to a freesync monitor that has an advertised 40-144 range but realistically is someone around 18/23-144

also have a 60hrz monitor right next to it, moving a window on the desktop, literal slide show on the 60hz, while its smooth on the 144

60fps looks like hell now, however, with freesync enabled, anywhere from 90-144 all kind of feels the same, with it disabled the difference is night and day.

after a driver update, the card wouldn't due to some stupid shit they did, so we played a game at around 20-28fps (should have been playing at 90fps), and the only reason i knew it wasn't higher was because some of the effects weren't as smooth.

im a 100% believer in freesync and gsync after that experience, though i prefer freesync due to cheaper monitors.

Though i fully understand this is something you have to feel to believe.

>>55132705
>>55130397
apparently amd is releasing powerful oc tools with the cards, some people are ocing the cards, some people are downclocking the cards and benchmarking it.

we will know in a few days how good it is.

>>55135868
So their using AMD baised shit to OC and not Afterburner!?
That isn't fair to us or Nvidia, use standard OC tools not biased AMD tools

>>55135894
Does the OCd 480 getting close to the 1070 really frustrate you that much?
Trust me, it's nowhere close to what it's doing to Nvidia.

>>55135734
>the same
>than
Back to school.

>>55133253
>both 150w tdp
except the ref 480 is literally 150w TDP unlike the housefire

>>55133253
>8gb running on 256bit
>gaming gpu

>>55133635
honestly, I think I believe this.
If the oc is true, if the AiB manufacturers really do get to 1500 at least, yea, i could see them touching a 1070 at stock.

But there are literally to many what ifs and unfounded rumors right now to say this as fact.

but if you add 50% to what we know is a 1000~ range clocked 480, it would get damn close to a 1070.

>>55136139
They wouldn't price it 200$ then

AMDHOUSEFIRE shill come back once you learned economy 101

>>55136293
>ayy they wouldn't sell a 1450MHz 980Ti that's 30% faster than a stock 980Ti for $670, E-economy 101!
AMD doesn't make the prices, it just recommends them.
You'll see heavily overclocked 8GB 480's for $250-260

>>55136325
That's some value.
I hope for Nvidia that Gp106 isn't a massive turd. But considering how laughable Pascal overclocking is, I wouldn't bet on it.

>>55127936
might actually be just the right move from them.

when they manage to release cards with hbm2 and >gtx1080 performance in 2016, they'll dominate every single tier of the market.

I highly doubt it because it's AMD we're talking about here but it's possible.

>>55136445

>node shrinks
>Nvidia

Nvidia won't sort their shit out until volta. The 480 is going to be the second coming of the 4870.

I actually consider buying 460 or 470 now since i only play moba trash and last time i completed a single player game was like two years ago.

>>55136139
480 overclocks to 3000 on air, 1070 is basically DOA, Nvidia really jewed people with these cards

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>>55128064
This, AMD basicaly is a budget brand, for a long time they have tried to compete with Nvidia and were actualy kinda decent at doing so, mainly because they offered their products at a lower price point.

With poo-laris they basically admit that Nvidia is top dog though, and leave the entire high end segment to Nvidia, while still having to compete with the 1060 in the mind end segment.

Even AMD posterboy has said that he's even unsure if the 480 will reach 390x levels of performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Lt41pdGJk

>>55135564
But it's guru3d...

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>>55136587

>>55136587
-2/10

>>55136587
I always wonder if people like this are trolling or if there are genuinely people dense enough to believe this sort of shit

>>55136634
>3000
You're an idiot

>>55136661
You're a fag

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>2015 AMD
>We don't want to be known as the budget brand anymore

>2016 AMD
>Hey guys we made some awesome poverty cards!

>>55136721
But the 480 already has high end specs, they're just marketing it as a budget card because this is the year we stick it to the bourgeois

>>55136721
>Make a chip that is pretty beefy with a fairly small die size.

This thing is cheap to produce and is beefy enough that a large number of normies are going to be very tempted if they can afford it. At $200ish people will be able to afford it. If you assume a profit margin of $75 a chip they will make loads of cash. It's not just the normies upgrade their cards, it's also the OEM's making "VR ready" boxes.

>>55136721
When are you going to learn AMD marketing and its blind AMDrones are going to say whatever is best for the moment? Expecting any congruity from a corporation or the fanbois too busy sucking its cock to get enough oxygen to their brains is foolishness.

Reminder to sell your 290x/390/390x/980 quickly before the 480 is out.

https://youtu.be/f_Lt41pdGJk

Think theres a lot of shit in this thread.
The 480 will struggle to beat a 390x

RX 460, 470 and 480 are awesome for the price and
>low power consumption (RX 480 draw 100W only, the 460 draw <75W)
>it's not a housefire (60°C for the 480)

I can hardly imagine what a vega GPU will result in
>150W
>60 - 70°C
>cost $450
>perform 25% better than a 1080
That would be awesome

>>55137065
What a grating voice.
God, I hate youtube reviewers and 'content creators' so much.

>>55137065
>not talking about the leaked benchmarks
>not trusting a journalist that have the GPU and trusting a pajeet instead
yeah sure.

>>55137075
yeah but he knows what hes on about.

>>55137103
Hahaha.

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>>55137065
NO SHUT UP
RX 480 BEATS GTX 980

https://youtu.be/PJ5wYVu-tM8

Oh dear the 480 isnt the 980 killer

>>55137140
What of relevance to you is he saying? I can't stand the voice.

>>55137140
>490 is hidding
Yeah sure. Polaris was revealed. 490 will be vega.
This guy is full of shit. Who would you trust ? leaked benchmarks or a pajeet saying shit based on a GPU specification ?

>>55137100
>>55137172

Are you a parrot?
Why is he full of shit? please explain, hes using the information that we have on the cards and using that in compariosn with other cards.
Whats up does the truth hurt

>>55136721
>we dont wanna be known as the budget card
>so we will make cool cheap cards that nvidia will lower prices for
keep hating.

>>55130187
480 overclocked really well. If you managed to cool it. It just had a weak cooler. Modern high end gpus use more power. Well Amd ones anyway.

when will I be able to get a gtx 1070 that isn't the founders edition?

>>55137229
Wait for Vega

>>55137209
1080s overclock very well too. into the late 1800s.
The 480 clocks in the 1500s
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-1500mhz-overclocking-tool-voltage-2/

Also theyre saying the 8gb is $299

>>55137246
how long to wait?
GPU is the only part im missing from my build

>>55137209
Modern high end 28nm GPU's you mean.

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>>55137246
......

>>55137252
Get a 480 family.

>>55137250
Pure numbers are irrelevant, relative clockspeed is important, Pascal is already significantly clocked higher than Polaris from the start, it gains less from overclocking due to the lower IPC of the arch.
And from what I've seen, it overclocks significantly less than Maxwell.

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>>55137250
>+$100 for 4GB of ram
What the fuck is this shit?

>>55137291
Probably nonsense, I'm expecting the 8GB models overclocked to the limit with 12+ VRMs to be 299$ though.

>>55137308
For that increase over the reference card I expect all the works.
So:
high as possible core clock
significantly overclocked memory
Samsung VRAM
Japan caps
Impressive power circuitry good enough for a 250W+ GPU
A really quiet and efficient cooler
Plenty of copper
3+ year warranty

Then I can pay $300, else I'll just get the closest non-reference PCB at $240 with a decent cooler and OC it myself

>>55137336
>Samsung VRAM
This. 256-bit bus needs that OC'd VRAM.

>>55137336
You might be waiting a while for that.
Actually isnt it the 29th these cards get released so then we can all have a good laugh & all the ones saying how good they are will backtrack and comment on hows its ok for a budget card

>>55137336

>Impressive power circuitry good enough for a 250W+ GPU

Well consider that we know AMD is capable of making a pcb capable of handling more than that (hawaii and fiji pcb's will take enormous punishment) all you really need is a decent amount of phases to spread out the thermal load.

>>55137255
Well anything over 250W TDP reks 480 in cooling requirements.

Also, a thing to note, unlike modern cards 480 didn't throttle in furmark. It goes full tilt there. I'm 99% sure that most modern cards will throttle heavily. My custom board 980 doesn't for some reason, but I think that's just MSI being special snowflakes. It gets crazy hot, like 250W+ power dissipation easy.

>>55137543

Typically both Nvidia and AMD have their drivers throttle in furmark (though Nvidia throttles far more aggressively) as furmark can actually damage cards (even at stock). That said AMD only throttles down to its "base" clocks whereas Nvidia will throttle down to whatever is required to keep below power and temp limits.

So we know RX 470 performance now, what about RX 460?

>>55137578
50-55% OF A 470
It's cut exactly in half in every hardware aspect.

>>55133253
>7500mb
Ftfy

>>55136293
im going to assume you mean they wouldn't sell that good of a chip for 200$ apposed to they wouldn't sell a chip that overclocked for under 300$

thing is the chip is small and if yeilds are good enough, they can afford to make it cheap.

the more market share amd has the less nvidia can push shit like gameworks.

amd wants liquid vr to be the go to standard, so they want to push something as mainstream as possible.

look, sony wanted to push bluray as the standard for movies, so they took a loss selling the ps3 with a bluray player... largely what amd is doing.

granted, i don't think gpu wise amd ever went full jew and overpriced what they put out. and before you say fury x and 980ti, nvidia cut down the titan so they could still have the fastest card that's not retard prices, they basically killed off a product to compete aggressively.

now, for watercooling a chip the fury x came in just about where anyone with a brain put the price tag.

now, if amd does put something out that when oc'd touches a 1070... what will the vega do?

>>55133397
Yeah but the 480 is running pretty cool and on low watts the oc capabilities could get it over 980ti performance. For poorfags like me who only have a shitty laptop it's an affordable entry into towers.

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I almost feel like buying a top end card these days is rather pointless do to games having worse and worse optimization. Take the Witcher 3 for example. My 290x lightning can run the game on high at a stable 60fps at 1080p, and yet if I go to ultra my fps take a big dive and the gains are almost nothing. I'm almost tempted to buy middle of the road cards where its just enough to run a game at med-high settings. Max settings in most games these days require such a large amount of resources and have little to show for it when compared to taking the settings a step down.

>>55137698
Vega is gonna be shit, it's gonna be beated by Volta and kill AMD

>>55136634
its a nvidiot who decided to mock us by taking it to an extreme.

but...

we are only thinking amd is going to 1500... nvidia goes well over it, and if it had a decent cooler 2ghz isn't to hard to reach... what would amd do if it was water cooled? and what would its performance be like?

>>55127936
>slower than a 390x

Tell me why there is hype for this again? It looks shit.

>>55127936
>Crossfire performance
This shit needs to die. XF and SLI are fucking garbage and are only useful for dick waving on benchmarks.

>>55137713
Stop, the age when cooling was a detriment to overclocking was ages ago.

Here's what determined overclocking in modern GPUs
1. Architecture (pipeline length, cache pressure and misses)
2. Leakage

That's it, if the GPU clocks to 1.5GHz without going full retard on the voltage then it's gonna do the same on either air or water.

>>55137195
>>55136721
>>55136910
>>55136862
>>55136798
there are many ways you can take that statement, considering the fury x was the first card after that was said, and now polaris...

i think they didn't want to be knows as the shittier brand,
budget sure, but they didn't want to be just the option you take because you didn't have enough money for what was really good.

granted, we will know if this is the meaning for sure with zen, but the gpus have been supporting this for a while.

Threadly reminder that there is a Greek neckbeard who shills for amd for free but always gets blown the fuck out.

I want him to show himself so I can see him get BTFO once again. I know he's here.

I hope there's a 450 based on cut down Polaris 11. Pretty much all I need tbqh.

>>55137713
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-1500mhz-overclocking-tool-voltage-2/

Nope AMD o/c can hit 1500+ in "beast mode" .
MY 1080 I have hit just below 1900 and that was a quick mess about with it

>>55137065
AMD POSTERBOY SAYS THE 480 MIGHT STRUGGLE TO MATCH 390X

AMD FAGS BTFO

>>55137780
Lol I remember when they were shilling his master race videos and claiming this guy held all the answers to make intel and nvidia bankrupt. Now that he's said the 480x is going to be trash, they're all turning on him lmao.

>>55137709
would be real fucking sad if volta didn't beat it, but that's what, 1 year out, 2 maybe, where as vega is about 6 months, and will likely stomp the stopgap that is pascal.

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>All this salt

Given the majority of the leaked benchmarks we're looking at something between a 390x and a Nano for $200-$250 and OC'd we're looking at something between a Nano and possibly a FuryX for $250-$300.?

Even at the lowest end of that totem pole the price is great. Where exactly is the bad news here?

>>55137800
Like you idiots have been posting Kyle's article like it's the holy gospel?
Please stop taking what idiots on the internet take seriously, especially about unreleased hardware.

>>55137707
Personally I think some of the new games like tomb raider look better in high than ultra.

>>55137800
Yeah it's pretty funny

>>55137800
I see what you mean anon..>>55137816


Wow talk about backpeadalling

>>55137815
>we're looking at something between a 390x and a Nano for $200-$250 and OC'd
No that's not what the majority of leaks point out.

The majority of trustable leaks (like the one on videocardz who have turned out to be correct pretty much always in the past) puts it roughly at 390x level, under the 980. That's quite a bit away from nano level

>>55137837
>these [leaks] that make Nvidia look better are more [trusty] than those [leaks] that make AMD look better

Adorable, it's almost like I'm in preschool.

>>55137815
The link I put up earlier
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-1500mhz-overclocking-tool-voltage-2/

Theyre saying its $299 now.

>>55137848
Take a look at what they leaked about the 1070 and the 1080, it was pretty much exactly how the cards turned out.

If a source leaks stuff that is spot on 99% of the time, it's a very trustable source, just because it doesn't line up with your wishful thinking doesn't mean the source is bad

>>55137800
>>55137780
honestly I agree with him on what he says, but he is also just looking at specs that he can verify, not basing anything off of 'leak' benchmarks, if it wasn't for that very wide range, i would be right there with him, but we have leaks from 180mhz cards up to 1288 with an unconfirmed 1500 (this i think was pure speculation) that puts it anywhere from just below a 390x to just below a fury x.

we know that the nodes have been fucking amd for a while, and nodes are usually amds advantage, they made shit for lower nodes and those processes fell through and they were stuck on 28nm for far the fuck to long.

this is an amd card made for the process it is made on... this is something we haven't seen in quite a while... people forgot how good amd is when they aren't hamstrung.

>>55137861
A broken clock is right twice a day.
They're the same shitty clickbait site, both videocardz and wccftech have the accumulated credibility of a Indian Rain Dancer in the Sahara.

>>55137881
>A broken clock is right twice a day.
That doesn't amount to 99% , are you stupid

>>55137897
It amounts to being 99% wrong, like both sites.

>>55137914
Except videocardz is spot on most of the time, you're just salty

>>55137816
The funny thing here is that Kyle's and adored tv's speculation both add up in a way. Even adored himself was expecting the 480x to be at fury x levels of performance some months ago but then Kyle's article came put saying it was slower than excepted and then suddenly all the benchmarks making it equivalent to the 390x came out.

>>55137065
If a Pajeet is honest about AMD performance the end of the world must be near.

>>55137987
Expected *

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>>55137922
If videocardz is right then 480 will be somewhere between 970 and 980 based on their Firestrike bench. Wccftech literally cannot be trust. They're Indian shills shilling for an Indian CEO. By Pajeets for Pajeet.

http://wccftech.com/about/

>>55127936
I have a 290x as well. I'm hoping the Fury X has a good price drop when the new AMD cards come out.

>>55127936
Because they can't make a powerful chip this time.

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>>55136607
>1080p users
>needing more than gtx 970 / r390 / rx 480

>>55137848
>>55137881
He's right you fucking tool. Videocardz always have the most accurate leaks and they've been spot on so far with other releases. These WCCFtech curryniggers who have this gay manlove for raja koduri always overhype shit because of >muh Indian brethren. Indians shill for other Indians.

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>>55138033
>1080p
>playing on an ancient resolution

>>55138076
This desu. Once 1070 gtx go back to normal anybody with a fucking job will be able to afford a 1440p monitor and a 1070 gtx or some clearance 980 Ti. a 25'' 1440p monitor costs less than I've paid for my 21 1080p 4 years ago.

>>55138090
Any normal decent person who works should buy a 1080 working off your thinking.
The 1070 is the poor mans option

>>55138035
Going back to 2012 using the archive, I see videocardz has less than a stellar reputation on /g/.

Ergo, enjoy your worthless site, but I guess anything goes as long as it supports your company.

>>55138118
>has a less than stellar reputation

Probably because 99.9% of all /g/ users shill for amd so obviously they hate anything that proves them wrong, just like the adored tv situation. A month ago they were lining up to suck his cock, now they're trying to hang him.

>>55138138
Uh-huh.

>>55138114
>should buy
Except you're full of shit, since the 1070 actualy is a good deal for what it offers, while the 1080 is a shit deal compared to what it offers

>>55138150
Atleast you understand :^)

>>55138156
I'm with you. Buy the 1070 if you're in the market this year. Or wait till the 1080 ti comes out and you can pick up a regular 1080 for cheap off eBay. That's how I got my current 980, the new 980 ti came out for like £650 here and I managed to nab a regular 980 for £300.

>>55138168
Be happy there's people who understand a lot more than you. You still have a way to learn then.

>>55138114
It's probably just a shitpost but 1080 gtx is too weak for 4K gaming. I don't like the feel of 144Hz, my eyesight is fucked as it is. Gsync is simply too expensive. Looking at UW 1440p (3440x1440) benchmarks 1080 gtx seems to be a perfect fit but a UW 1440p monitor also costs at least $600. Shit sucks desu.

>>55138138
Adored is hated now? His like/dislike ratio still seems normal. As for /g/ AMD shitposting, it has always been like this - but nowadays I've noticed shitload of 480 RX/India being superpower shitposts written in broken English. False flags or not, it's annoying.

>>55138193
Adored is like every e-celeb here, supported by /v/ermin and hated by /g/entoomen, we want nothing to do with these cancerbags, LTT, that other hardware nigger and whatever else they're called.

>>55138189
>I shill for amd
>I therefore understand more!

Kys

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>>55138187
>picking up 2nd hand high end cards
Mah niggah, the best price/performance ratio is always in 2nd hand cards, the risk that you buy something that is shit can also be mitigated to a very small percentage by not being an idiot and using websites that have rating systems.

I'm still torn between picking up a used 980ti or a new 1070 to replace my 780ti which is lacking for 1440p. the custom 980ti's still beat it now, but seeing how far the 970 is ahead of the 780ti in many new games I think that will change in the future. Also the 1070 uses a shitton less power and has 2gb of vram more

>>55138219
Nah the majority of /v/ hates him because most of them are to retarded to understand the difference between nvidia or amd and the ones who do make gpu war threads are mostly nvidia users.

It's funny because
>people who actually play games (more than /g/ anyway)
>all nvidia users

>people who don't play games (/g/)
>all use amd

Basically most of the people shilling for amd in these threads probably don't even play games yet they still shill.

>>55138248
I play games, use Nvidia but shill for AMD.

Where do I fit?

>>55138221
To be fair Nvidia shills haven't shown the tiniest bit of intelligence or knowledge when it comes to discussing the intricates of hardware.
There used to be those, but they seemed to abandoned /g/ 2 years ago.

>>55138243
If you can get a 980 ti on the cheap you're onto a winner. The 1070 is still brilliant but the 980 ti still has a lot to offer and people are probably selling 980 ti's by the truckload to get their shiny new 1080.

Look for a Zotac AMP on ebay since I've always seen that model to be the cheapest but it has a really good cooler and has decent overclocking.

Will a see an appreciable difference going from a 290x to a gtx 1070? I already bought the 1070, just want to make sure I made a decent purchase. The 480 seemed like more of a side grade, and I didn't want to wait until 2017 since my 290x has some temp issues already

>>55138243

Even if the 480 is "merely" 390x performance its going to fucking kill the used card market. Prices of 980's, 390x's and everything below will crash.

>>55138156
Of course, its shit because you cant afford it so yeah its crap.
The 1080 v 1070, the difference is significant, sorry but it is

>>55138248
>and the ones who do make gpu war threads are mostly nvidia users.

You're joking right? Same shit applies to both /g/ and /v/

>Nvidia owner/potential makes a thread asking which card should he get/which 1070 gtx is your favorite
>5 posts later some random AMD retard shows up and starts post like "ENJOY YOUR OVERPRICED HOUSE FIRE LMAO" etc.
>shitposting war commences
>AMD shills starts a thread
>Thread is already over cuz 9/10 times they include some shitpost sentence like "NVIDIA BTFO/HOW CAN THEY RECOVER/NVIDIOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH"

You clearly are either joking or being delusional.

>>55138267
I think majority of them understood that it's pointless to argue with AMD shills. They probably enjoy their games instead of getting this sweet AMD performance gain in Shitposting Legendary Edition. 82% market share says it all.

>>55138289
it's like 15% performance for 30% more cost, it's not worth it unless you have money dollars than sense

>>55138307
It's more than 15% plus the problem with those "performance" charts is that they don't the real difference between playing in 40 fps and 60 fps. It's not like 1070 gtx runs 4k games in 60 fps and 1080 gtx in 80 fps - Then the performance gain would truly be irrelevant for people with 60 Hz monitors. However 1070 gtx shits itself in many maxed 4k games and drops to 35-40 fps while 1080 gtx runs at 55-60 which is a whole world of difference, at least for me. 1080 is for 4k, 1070 gtx is for 1440p.

>>55138293
You're trying to paint your brain-dead gaymer crowd in a better, smarter light than they are.
Please don't, it's very embarrassing.

These are your friends.
https://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=hardocp

>>55138307
its more
Thanks anon you posted a lot of info >>55138333

>>55138333
ah I see what you mean then, I only play in 1440p so I just bought a 1070

POLARIS CONFIRMED FOR 2500 MHZ OVERCLOCK NVIDIA IS FUCKING FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

>>55138336
>insecure connection
common son. Don't be like this.
I'm not defending Nvidia. I've used to own both AMD and Nvidia cards, even ATI when they still were a thing. I got fucked over twice with 280x and 290x. I honestly believe AMD hasn't released anything worth my money since the 7xxx series (I still miss my sweet sweet 7950) and people who nowadays defend AMD products have some sort of Nvidia bias or simply cannot spend $50 more for a better product while already spending $200-$250. Shit's retarded yo.

>>55138365
1500 mhz, you a country mile off.

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>>55138365
>AMDfags are this fucking retarded

>>55138293
Sorry I didn't mean it like that I'll rephrase. The majority of people in gpu threads on /v/ are nvidia owners (which is good to see) whereas over here 99% of all people in the gpu threads own amd and you can see that by looking at the constant amd shitposting here. On /v/ anyone who shills from amd *generally* gets shut down and thrown out and the gpu threads are pretty calm too. Like people actually ask and answer gpu related questions unlike here where everyone loves to talk about muh wccftech.com and it devolves into a shit flinging contest.

>>55138371
>>insecure connection
Uhh, first time seeing a site not renewing their SSL cert?
Nobody's defending anyone, both shills are retarded as bird droppings, but saying Nvidia shills, of all fucking shills are the smarter or 'tolerant' bunch is outright hilarious.

>>55138289
I can easily afford it, doesn't mean it's a good product

The 1070 is the perfect 1440p card

The 1080 is the not so good 4k card

It falls into a really awkward niche where it's not worth much

>>55137851
$299 for the RX 480 8GB sounds about right, the leaked pricing for the card in Norway was under 3000 NOK.

>>55138385
It's basically a Special Olympics contest, who is better is irrelevant, both should be shot like actual cripples and old people.

>>55138379
>>55138385
I try to honestly answer questions as often as I can and if I don't know the answer I stay quiet. However I just state the fact that recently AMD shitposting has been rampant. I've never stated that nvidia shills are somehow better or more tolerant, shills remain shills. It's just that AMD fans are on a fucking rampage since few months at least in my personal opinion.

>>55138395
Ye I feel like 1080 gtx could hit that 4k spot with heavy OC and non-reference cooling. Probably being optimistic here. I've heard it's perfect for 3440x1440 but I'm too scared of spending hundreds of bucks on a 21:9 monitor and then trying to figure out how to run anything without official 21:9 support.

>>55138410
>>55138395
Also you have to keep in mind that very often people doing benchmarks are being retarded when it comes to 4K settings. It's half-bad when they actually include screencap of settings they've used but very often they don't and then you start to wonder why two YT benches show a 20 fps difference on the very same setup and driver. If I see a reviewer using any sort of AA in 4K I automatically discard their opinion.

>sold my 980 ti for 150 bucks to a friend to buy the 480

did I do good /g/?

>>55138451
You did great fellow shitposter.

>>55127936

man you'd be spewing if you bought a 980 instead of waiting for the 1080

>>55138333
Its takes SLI 1080s to run many games "maxxed" (fxaa doesnt count, noob) at 60fps on 4K

>>55138336
>Ayymadfag can't handle the banter

>>55138451
>on performance
no
>on driver life
yes, nvidia gimps like fuck

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>trufax

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>>55138333
>>55138492

why do people keep going on about max settings? if your card can't do it then don't max the game out. i'm pretty sure you can use the 1080 to max games out at 4k by adjusting a few settings because, you know, the settings are there for you to fucking adjust.

it's like the 970/fury x thing on mirrors edge. only a retard would think "i'm not going to buy that 970 or fury x because it can't run this game maxed out". that's fucking retarded. i can run most games at a locked 60 at 1440p on my 980 non-ti by just turning down a few settings here and there, for example in the witcher 3 there's absolutely no noticeable difference between medium and ultra foliage render distance but by turning it down i gain like 5-10 fps because the game isn't rendering in shit i can't even see anymore.

>>55138527
Shitposting isn't banter, it's shitposting.
Get back to the infernal breeding ground call /spvb/ you fucking troglodyte and shitpost there.

>>55138545
>max games out at 4k by adjusting a few settings
But that's not maxing out

>>55138033
I heard this about 1080p and HD7970... Before GTA V.

>>55138528
>yes, nvidia gimps like fuck
Except theres never been any evidence of that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCsT_dk-1E

>>55138545

>why do people keep going on about max settings?

Primarily because most people (/v/ and /g/ included) are too stupid to actually understand the impact certain settings (notably various AA types) have on performance and thus simply crank every slider all thew way to the right and then claim they can see the difference between 4xmsaa and 8xmsaa on their tiny 24" 1080p monitor.

this in turn leads to the claim of certain cards not being pwoerful for a given resolution (lets say, fury x and 980ti for 4k) because peopel are enabling settings that have virtually no IQ increase but enormous performance hit.

Hell in a lot of recent games a heavily overclocked 390x/980 can drive 40-50fps at 4k with settings on high. At the very least that is a perfect range for a freesync/gsync screen.

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>>55138588

/g/ says AMD has no drivers. If that is true then how do you explain this?

>>55137692
*7629.39

I own an R9 390.

What is the suicide hotline? ;_;

>>55138624
I'll take benches that never happen in real life for $500 please. Also ye, AMD is known for fixing issues and releasing solid drivers 18 months after GPU release.

>>55138648
Whats wrong with it?

>>55138684
Feel like I should've waited for the 490.

>>55138588
Gimping is the art of *not* optimising drivers for *older* generation of cards on newer games.

>>55138648

Unless you're trying to push 4K the 390 is fine.

>>55138688
depends what you paid for it and when you bought it, but you're always going to feel like you should have waited for the next thing, that's the nature of technology

just buy whatever fits your needs and whatever can last you longest between upgrades

>>55138693
It's simple, AMD is still on an ancient shitty architecture that they have rebranded for the last 4 years.

So optimizations benefit that architecture and older cards on it.

Nvidia has actualy made progress and released a brand new architecture with Maxwell.

So obviously it optimizes for that, since it doesn't sell Keppler cards anymore.

>>55138694
Yeah but timing tho.

>>55138700
€370, July 2015.

>>55138667
>Driver meme

I see this posted in literally every thread and everyone acts like Nvidia has never shit up a driver. Stop it with the fanboy shit.

>>55138714
>mrw Maxwell can't compete with 4 year old arch

>>55138714
pretty much this. amd have had to push that architecture to housefire tiers of power draw and heat output to compete with nvidias maxwell.

>>55138714
> ancient shitty architecture
Lolnope, GCN is superb in terms of GPGPU and just as good for games. Nvidia took the same approach with Maxwell.

>>55138714
Yet, it must be fantastic for those people who purchased the 290 years ago to still get driver tweaks.
>>55138624

>>55138745
I owned 280x myself it took AMD 12 months to:
- Get XP/Vista driver support
- Fix mouse flickering issues
- Allow me to downsample my games.
- Not be 20 fps behind every AAA game I played.

>Pascal is still a 32 wide scalar arch that's been used since Fermi

NVIDIA ON SUICIDE WATCH, LITERALLY THE SAME ARCHITECTURE SINCE 2009

>>55138802
Pascal is a simple Maxwell die-shrink.
Fucking pathetic.

>>55138809
It's not JUST a die shrink, it also came with rearranged SMs!

WOW

>>55138822
Did you read that at gaymen-techblog.com?

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>mfw new nvidia maxwell architecture fucking destroys the same 4 year old housefire curry tech amd have been using
>mfw amd makes a new architecture and still gets blown the fuck out by an nvidia rebrand maxwell

>nvidia new arch = win
>nvidia rebrand = win

lol amdrones on suicide watch. let's see the damage control.

>>55138797
>Get XP/Vista driver support

XP was over a decade old when the 280x launched. Driver development for Vista had long since been abandoned in favor of 7 by the industry at large. Ignoring this trend reflects more on you as a consumer than it does on any company for failing to provide bug fixes.

>Fix mouse flickering issues

This wouldn't have anything to do with using XP would it?

>Downsampling

Sub-sampling has been a feature well ahead of when the 280x was released.

>Arbitrary measurement of FPS

As compared to what? There were many cards better specced than the 280x, but at different price brackets.

>>55138840
>AMD uses 6 years of architecture with minor tweaks and still blows the shit out of Nvidia

Nvidiots on suicide watch.

>>55138902
The only thing they blow the shit out is your power bill

>>55138916
At least they're not blowing up my PSU :-)

>>55138860
Sub-sampling has been a feature until AMD decided to drop it out of nowhere just so they can add it again 2 years later in catalyst drivers.

Flickering was an issue on every OS. I personally run Win7 but it's still not an excuse.

20 fps behind 970 gtx

>>55138949
Wow that's awesome, definately a fantastic product then

>>55138916

Fucking got him! That 10 watt difference between the 970 and 290x sure hurts when electricity is $0.09/kWh

>>55138984
>10 watt difference
>buying a graphics card to only use it in idle mode

>>55138735
>€370, July 2015.
I bought mine at the same time for €340.

Now I'm undecided if I should upgrade to an RX 480 or a 1070. I've bought a 1440p 144 Hz Freesync monitor at the beginning of the year but I'm not sure if the 480 will be good enough to achieve ~100 fps in newer games in 1440p.

>>55138971
So, you're complaining that your $200 card is "20FPS slower" than a $300+ card?

>>55139022
>upgrade to an RX 480
You mean sidegrade

>>55139023
Yes cause I fell for AMD shill marketing same way you guys shill for 480 right now and promise $200 performance of a $400 card.

>>55139022
My 1070 gets around 110 fps in games on my 1440p 144hz monitor.

>>55139031
480 will most likely be better than a 390.

>>55139045
I believe you simply didn't see a single benchmark and thus are retarded.

>>55138971
>Sub-sampling

I see articles from 2012 onward showing tutorials on sub-sampling for AMD cards on forums.

>Flickering

Having an issue span OSes that don't even run the same code base suggests something else is at play here.

>280x not as good a 970

You mean your sub $300 card wasn't matching a $400 one? You should probably post on /g/ about how shitty AyyyMD is.

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>>55138984
>10 w difference
More like a 100w difference

>>55139047
That's good to know.

I'll just wait the two weeks until the RX 480 gets released and we have real benchmarks before I decide which GPU to get.

The 1070 has h265 hardware encoding as well, doesn't it?

>>55139022
Two 480's, maybe. One, might as well keep this thing.

Pretty sure I'm CPU bottlenecking now though.

>>55136721
>>2015 AMD
>>We don't want to be known as the budget brand anymore

To be fair. They were referring to their CPU business.

>>55139085
>Pretty sure I'm CPU bottlenecking now though.
What CPU do you have? I'm still rocking an i5 3570K @4,4 GHz.

>>55139078
>The 1070 has h265 hardware encoding as well, doesn't it?
I'm not sure, I've never used that feature so I wouldn't know. iirc Nvidia said something about that at the Pascal reveal though.

>>55138984

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-amd-radeon-r9-390-8gb-review

>In our Radeon R9 390X review, we shied away from overclocking owing to the extreme levels of power consumption and heat generated when you really pushed the envelope. It's a similar state of affairs here, particularly when Asus has already applied a 50MHz factory overclock. In combination with our 4.6GHz CPU OC, pushing clocks to 1150MHz with the R9 390 caused the system to hit 560W in overall power consumption (!), and we had real trouble getting any kind of stability with the card, requiring us to drop clocks in increments to see how far it could go without crashing. Temperatures were nightmarish too - if we're hitting 85 degrees Celsius with the DirectCU 3 cooler in an open air test-bed, we're going to have problems.

>The GTX 970 has much more to offer of course, depending on the game, and there's a night and day difference in terms of efficiency.

>Power consumption figures below illustrate starkly how AMD was able to catch up with Nvidia - under load in the same conditions, both at stock and overclocked, the R9 390 consumes a lot more power and emits much more heat: anything from 170W to 190W. That's immense.

>For its part, Nvidia continues to bring home the bacon in terms of better driver support (check out those latency spikes on AMD cards in The Witcher 3), more useful GPU-level features and much better power efficiency. The GTX 970 is a physically smaller card in many of its guises, it produces much lower levels of heat, and its overclocking potential is unquestionable.

the 390 was supposed to be one of the more power efficient 3xx series cards too.

>>55139122
If this is not testament to how far behind GCN is to Maxwell I don't know what is

>>55128064

>RX480 can be overclocked to 1.5ghz
>beats a 980ti
>midrange

damn Nvidiots are getting desperate

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-1500mhz-overclocking-tool-voltage-2/

>>55139134
Please tell me you don't actualy believe the 480 will beat a 980ti

>>55139109
4690K @ 4.6GHz on air. Also, the 390 seems to be struggling with GTA V.

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>>55139132
based retard.

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>>55139148

stock clocked its already the same as a 980 overclocked it destroys 980ti

>>55139132
I don't know what you're smoking, but comparing a gen 2 arch to gen 3 arch is only gonna make you sound retarded.
Compare Kepler to GCN 1.1(unofficial), compare Maxwell to GCN 1.2(unofficial), compare Pascal to GCN4(official)
Fiji vs Maxwell already paints a very similar efficiency curve, obviously, as they're the same generation of chips.

>>55139134
see >>55138035

raja probably promised these guys their own exclusive designated shitting street in his back yard if they started making these crazy performance claims without showing any evidence to build hype. if it was a 980 ti competitor for $250 then amd would be screaming from the rooftops. the fact they aren't clearly proves how wrong these currytech articles are.

>>55139191
Still trying to give credibility to your shitty slightly-better-than-currytech clickbait site, Maciej?
You're both shit, get over it and go shill on reddit.

>>55139191

>exclusive designated shitting street

God damn lol

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>>55139206
>S-STOP BELIEVING REALISTIC BENCHMARKS
>T-THIS ONE CURRYTECH SITE IS R-RIGHT AND I KNOW BECAUSE MY DAD WORKS FOR AMD!

k

>>55139240
Clear case of brain damage.
You're both shit, get over it and go shill your junk site on reddit where people will actually listen.

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>>55139267
>he doesn't want to admit i'm right
>he also doesn't want to admit the card won't reach those clocks because he's a filthy shill
>y-you're both s-shit

kys neckbeard.

>>55139292
>>>/reddit/

>>55139174
What are you trying to prove here? There's a 70w difference between the 290x and the 970 there, in other words, GCN is miles behind Maxwell

>>55139179
>stock clocked its already the same as a 980 overclocked it destroys 980ti
yeah...no

>>55138540
>Its 100% okay when Nvidia does it.

>Its AMD's fault they're the only company with both decent CPU and Graphics departments that make SoC's worth a damn.

>>55136607
>With poo-laris they basically admit that Nvidia is top dog though, and leave the entire high end segment to Nvidia
what is Vega: the post

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>>55139309
>he's trying to market his favorite website
>projecting this hard

>>55139179
>>55139148

Next thing you tell me that the korean bench of OCed 480 beating Titan X is real.

>linking wccftech

Literally shilling by Pajeet for Pajeet.

>>55138540

kek my Xbone has DX12 and its 2 years old. Nvidia cant into future tech. they dont own an X86 license like Intel and AMD does.

>>55139330
you do realize that all of the amdrones in this thread legitimately believe the 480x is faster than the titan x.

>>55139372
oh and i'm not talking about CF either, single card. watch them deny it, but you can tell from their denial that they believe it.

>>55139372
I'm an AMD fan and I believe this

>1080 users trying to justify their $700+ purchase for 10 FPS difference.

>>55139372
I'm an AMD fanboy and until Nvidia manage to prove otherwise I believe this. (Might still belive it even if Nvidia manage to prove otherwise)

>>55139410
>>55139372

me too. only retard nvidiots think the 480x is slower than a 1070

>>55139372
This is true.

t. AMD user

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>>55139311
>maxwell has 0 computing capabilities
>less ram
>no async

a-a-atleast it uses less power, while running slower and being outdated.

>>55138611
My eyes are going bad, I can't even see individual pixels on my 23" from 30 inches away but even I can tell the difference between 4 and 8xMSAA.

The people who say AA isn't necessary on 4K are wannabe-richfag-poorfags who bought a 30 inch screen and keep it at the wrong distance, instead of buying a 40-50 inch and having it six feet away minimum like they should.

>>55139772
You really only need 2x AA on a 4K monitor at that size. Maybe 4x if you are really anal.

>>55137291
The normal 8gb 480 with only one six pin will be $230-$250. The 8gb 480 with a 6 and 8 pin that is higher clocked than the normal 480 and is suppose to be an "overclockers dream" will be $300.
"

>>55139772

>The people who say AA isn't necessary on 4K

Nowhere in that post did anon say AA was not needced - merely that extreme levels of it are not due to the performance hit you take. At 4k even FXAA works fine due to pixel density and thats basically computationally free.

(this is of course ignoring the fact that MSAA doesn't cover everything these days)

>>55140168
>MSAA doesn't cover everything these days

what happened to MSAA?
is it due to some incompatible post-processing shit or other becoming popular?

>>55140638

Deferred shading.

>>55139510
>all your arguments
wrong
Maxwell shits on GCN in ALL areas, stay salty faggot

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>>55141286
nvidiot everyone

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>>55141457

>>55141457
>>55141470
>the goalpost has now been shifted towards things that have nothing to do with gaming, because AMDtards realize their cards suck at it
Nice

>>55128064
>midrange
90% of the market. 9 out of 10 people. It seems they are doing things for the people, not the elite.
>consoles
That's good in many ways. Good for the consoles (Nvid won't go cheap volume for them), good for the PC players (code base is already mostly AMD optimized)

Nvidia:
>High end
Useless point, both companies always have a high end offering
>High end again
k
>tech for cars
Wow self driving machines we won't see for 20 years and most people won't even be able to afford, great
>CUDA
CUDA is nothing more than a proprietary programming language within the native GPGPU stack. The only, the ONLY reason CUDA stays on top is because they marketed well and grabbed some of the big players early on, and those people are either being payed off to stay solely/mostly CUDA, or they are too lazy/too profit minded to develop alternative GPGPU support. On a raw performance basis there is literally no product Nvidia outperforms AMD on except the new, must-buy-8-20k-units, headless (on the GPU side) GP100 racks. And that's only because GP100 was the first 14/16nm design with full FP64 to market.
On the professional side AMD outcompetes Nvidia in FLOPs and is very, very competitive in FLOPs per watt.
Dual FuryXs push 14Tflop in a 300w envelope while a single full GP100 does 10. That's pathetic on Nvidia's side of things, coming off a double node shrink

That CUDA > OpenCL translator can't come soon enough.

>>55140168
Any faux-AA method such as FXAA, MLAA, TXAA, are blurry messes that completely fuck sharpness in areas that don't need to be anti-aliased. This is why I absolutely hate those modes and I hate any review that uses them.

>>55141594
The claim was made that maxwell shits on GCN in all areas. This is part of all areas.

Stay mad, though.