AMD won

AMD is producing the GPUs for Xbox S and PS VR.
AMD never obsolete

>>55079161
Benchmarks or GTFO.

>>55079161
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG

where can i place preorder??????

>GTX 970 performance
AMDelusion is real

>being so poor so you have to settle for garbage

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where the fuck is the 490?

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>>55079485
You're right.

They deluded the public into thinking they were on or with Nvidia and it was a flat out lie.

They're better than Nvidia.

>>55079494
Who are you quoting you meme guzzler?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/

>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.

IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>55079510
Could the 490 end up being a mere $299?

The RX 480 has a lower VR score (6.3) than the GTX 970 (6.5) already. The RX 470 will be even slower.

>>55079784
They did say they were revealing GPUs in the up to $300 segment, and they haven't revealed anything at the end of that range yet.

>>55079437
They somehow managed to design a gpu for consoles which became obsolete the moment it was put in the consoles.

I can't help but laugh at console peasants and AMDrones.

>>55079776
Eternal Kyle. Everytime.

>>55079807
Source: My ass

>>55079979
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-06/amd-radeon-rx-480-vr-benchmark/

>>55079510
There is no rx490 and vega will not be rx490. The rx470 and rx480 are for gamers, the $300+ tier is enthusiast.

>>55079485
The RX 470 uses a slightly cut-down version of the chip in the 480, and won't be far off it in performance as a result. The 480 matches a 980, so the 470 should match a 970.

I think AMD is taking too much time giving a response to the 1070 and 1080. We have to wait until October for the release of the 490. If you have a GPU that's as strong as a 290 or better, then the 480 is not a compelling choice. The 1080 is overpriced so that leaves people with the choice of either getting a 1070 now or waiting 3 months to save about $100 or so. I understand Polaris is not meant to be a high-end card, but it seems like it's capable of good performance. They could've released a superpowered Polaris for $300 that performs at about Fury X/980 Ti levels and I bet tons of people would gladly buy that card.

>>55079843
As an AMD stock investor(bought stock in january), I laugh at you

>>55080020
Vega 10 will be the 490.

Vega 11 will be the next Fury.

>>55079161
>>Actually 4GB VRAM
I count 8 chips on that card kiddo

>>55080215
it comes in 4GB and 8GB version

>>55080181
should have sold in april when they jumped like 50% in two days or whatever it was

>>55079807
>$0.10 has been deposited to your account

>>55079161
>Actually 4GB VRAM
Just like the GTX970!!!!

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>>55080378

>>55079807
>vr

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>>55080442
Prove me wrong pleb.

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WE WON BOYS.

>>55080648
>t. triggered 970 owner

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>>55080729
>can't prove me wrong

>>55080721
Kanker tweaker

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>tfw the 470 is way faster than my 270

Now I just hope it doesn't get marked up from 150 USD to 600 AUD

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>>55080442
>>55080729

>>55080806
how new are you?

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>>55080810

>>55079161
>comparing next gen cards with current gen cards
AMDshills at it again.

>>55080806
>bait
3.5 Usable, last 512MB are so slow and shit that it shits the bed every time they are used.

>>55079161
AMD won the golden turd price AGAIN?

>>55080824
Where are Nvidia's current cards to compete with the 470 and 480?

>>55080810
>$3.50
>+$0.50
>$4.00

wow, math

>>55079161
If anyone believes this I have a large pylon to sell in Paris

>>55080836
>shits the bed every time they are used.
After it beats everything AMD has to offer, then its shits the bed

>>55080845
The GTX 1070 is already out.

>>55079843
It was a rehash of old stuff, both vendors wanted that

>>55080882
>$380 card competing against $199 card

>>55080890
>get an R390x desu

>>55080215
>implying 1 chip can't be different densities

they're probably 2gb chips, meaning 512MB. 8*512 = 4GB

>>>55079843
>As an AMD stock investor(bought stock in
january), I laugh at you

>stock investor

Practice your english, Pajeet.

>>55080880
You do realise how pathetic you sound?

You can buy full 8GB amd cards for less that perform better.

>>55080924
>You can buy full 8GB amd cards for less that perform better.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sapphire-nitro-r9-390-8g-d5,4245.html#p4

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hmmm really makes you think

Yeah the 8gb cards from amd perform much better.

Thanks anon
>>55080945

>>55080845
calm your tits and wait, only the 1080 and 1070 are out. jesus, you fucking fanboys are the worst.

The only reason I have an Nvdia is because a lot of games are optimized for it, AMD might have more core or faster clock speed, but in the end some games performs better on Nvidia

>>55079161
who fucking cares

the 970 will be the new 770 (ie a gimped brick) by the time it's out

>>55080155
the 480 is a compelling choice. I have an R9 290, and I'm grabbing a 480 as a stop gap until Vega 11 next year. Should give me slightly better overall performance and lower my power draw some. This should mean that my computer room/office isn't a fucking sauna. Besides that I could pick up a second 480 later if I want before Vega 11 and get better performance in games with the ability to use it.

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>>55081115
>When the 970 will be out
>will be out
>will be

>>55081158
you must be some kind of a retard

>>55081172
Iz special am gud or u no bad!
Y i are has frienz to you not, fuck.

No.

>>55080954
funny thing is 48 will be beating 980 in less than 6 months after realease

>>55081282
480*

>>55081282
>>55081299
>comparing next gen cards with current gen cards
AMDshills at it again.

>>55081349
So when does Nvidia release their current gen cards?

>>55081349
the point I'm making here you ignorant shill is that progressive nvidia drivers slowly gimp performance while newer amd drivers improve it

>>55081418
>>55080990

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>>55081349
480 is still a way better bargain vs 1070.

>>55081428
You'd do a better job of making that point using benchmarks from current gen cards.

Except you can't, which is why you didn't.

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>>55081282
980 has been, and always will be, a shit card for the price. I'm glad it's dumpster tier now.

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>>55080824
>Comparing price similar cards
AMDshills at it again.

>>55079161
Nice try, but the rx480 barely has 970 performance.

>>55081494
Nvidiots are this desperate. Nvidia is finished, confirmed.

>>55081540
Didn't you see AMD's official steam VR benchmark for the rx480? The 970 is faster than it, poor AMDfag, your dream died down.

>>55079776
you should be banned kyle

>>55081564
(You)

>>55080258
it's higher now than it was then

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>eSports cards

>>55080850
More like
>$3.50 USD
>+$5,405.00 ZMK
Sure you got $4.00, but $0.50 of it is useless.

>>55080954
>mfw my 290x got 5733, 2825

This will be like below 960 performance lmfao, AMD faggots btfo

>>55082665
LoL, CS, DotA, Overwatch.
eSports just means normie games. They're aiming at the market that doesn't need to play on full settings, and just wants good enough frame rates to play competitively.

>>55079161
>bought an r9 nano 2 months ago

Should I end it all now?

>>55080043
>The 480 matches a 980
No it doesn't.

Now you too can have performance from years ago!!!!!

>>55084424
Everything we've seen so far points to the 480 performing similarly to the 980. Some sources are putting it slightly ahead, others are putting it slightly behind. We can also expect the card to overstock very well, given that power efficiency is one of the focal points of Polaris. Given an 8-pin adapter, I have no doubt that Polaris will clock 25% higher, given what we've seen AMD do with Fury X to turn it into Nano. I'm confident that the process will be reversible with the 480, giving more performance on a larger power budget.

>nuuh-uuh
Whatever tripfag. I've seen you posting various times before and never paid you any mind, but with as useless a post as "nuuuh-uuh" is, I think I can safely assume that you're completely useless. Thanks for identifying yourself. You will now be categorized alongside in elite.

>>55084440
>Maxwell and Rebrand series cucks this assblasted

>>55079161
What is this even for? 1600x900? We are 4K now.

i'm confused.

nvidia came out with their 470 forever ago
why the fuck is amd so late? how are people even definding amd?

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/

>the RX 480 managed to edge out our overclocked GTX 980 & R9 390 samples in addition to our R9 Nano sample.
>draws roughly 100 watts and cruises along at around 60 degrees Celsius
>RX 480 4GB will sell for as low as $199 and the 8GB version for around $29-$39 more
>We’re told that AMD’s partners are preparing a huge array of graphics card options. Including some serious “beast mode” 8GB cards that will sell for up to $299 and overclock to the moon

>>55084965

>wccftech
lol

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>>55084965
>and overclock to the moon

>>55084965
>wccftech

>>55084991
What is this face trying to convey?

>>55085066
Strong exterior facade while on the inside she knows she has failed.

>>55084424
Yes it does.

>>55080880
KEEEEK amdrones btfo

Best comment in thread

>>55079161
that would be a factory overclocked 480, not 470 getting slightly above a 390/x and below a stock 980 score. nice try shill

>>55080886
too lazy to design architecture so they just pc

good design and actually powerful hardware is why the last generation was the longest running. Both the 360 and the ps3 had their own quirks, this gen has none

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>>55079161
um no. thats the 480 youre talking about

>>55085141
>Fake benchmark done by Nvidia shills
Fuck off.

>>55085141
Damn that 1080 is powerful.

>>55085141
except amd confirmed this for being accurate....

So to conclude, the RX 480 is

>significantly weaker than what people were saying it was going to perform like (r9 fury <-> 1070)
>scores lower in VR testing than a generation old gtx 970
>costs £240 for a stock sapphire card
>the same price as used 980's which can overclocked to 980 ti levels of performance
>a benchmark showed it running a 92°c whilst running 3dmark, so it has massive heat output

And you wonder why amd have banned all reviews till release. They quite obviously have something to hide. Hate me all you want but Kyle's article gets more true by the day.

>>55085160
Well considering it's price tag, it better be.

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>>55084965
Well that's neat.

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>>55085218
>currytech
I want Polaris to succeed, but let's not kid ourselves. It will probably be better than the 970/390, but that's about it. Having a card that can OC and deprecate the entire GPU lineup for $200 would be incredible and they would have definitely mentioned that instead of going with more AotS bullshit. If anything, you should be excited for fatter Polaris. Their full variant will definitely deliver performance very close to the 1070 for $80 less. That is, if we're getting fat Polaris. The RX480 is already the XT and the RX470 is the Pro. If so, I'm lost with how they've mentioned a $300 price range. Adding 4GB to the 480 doesn't translate to a $100 price increase.

>>55079807

The Steam VR test is incredibly reliant on CPU hyper threading

Can you guess whether or not the CPU used for the 480 has hyperthreading?

>>55080155

85% of the GPU market buys within the $100-$300 range

>>55085203
>significantly weaker than what people were saying it was going to perform like (r9 fury <-> 1070)
Benchmarks show it performs similar to an R9 Fury, depending on clock speeds.
>scores lower in VR testing than a generation old gtx 970
Driver issue. Or they tested an RX 470 and didn't realise it.
>costs £240 for a stock sapphire card
Where did you get that price? Afaik, we only have AMD's prices ($200 for 4GB version / $230 vor 8GB version)
>the same price as used 980's which can overclocked to 980 ti levels of performance
You can't buy used 980s at $200. Stop spreading lies, you shill.
>a benchmark showed it running a 92°c whilst running 3dmark, so it has massive heat output
Are you talking about the benchmark where the guy removed the cooler to get around the NDA? I wonder why that card ran hot...

Just wait the two weeks until release or at least until we have more leaked info and benchmarks.

>>55085203
Fuck off Kyle. Your career as a journalist is over.

>>55080804

Do your merchants really goy you that much? I know your taxes aren't that high

*Shrug*
I will wait for actual benchmarks from different users before buying a replacement for my now deceased GTX 570, shame both AMD and Nvidia took so long to release and that AMD targeted the low ~ mid-low end.... I don't think I can wait 4 more months using IGPs....

>>55084440

>1070 performs like a titan x that gets beaten by the 980TI when both cards OX
>thats not "last years performance"

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>>55085233
>>55085059
>>55084985

>>55085203

Wrong, everyone people on 4chan and Reddit estimated it would perform between the 980/Fury while youtubers said it would perform like a 390

>>55079161
>Hey, a card from 2 years ago is slower than this new card.

No shit.

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>>55085290
>*shrug*

>>55085342
Even AdoredTV said it will perform similar to the 390 level. We just have to wait and see.

>>55084798
>Some sources are putting it slightly ahead, others are putting it slightly behind

[citation needed]

All these posts are either paid AMD shills, or just poorfags who have never touched a high performing card. I'm leaning towards poorfags.

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>>55085260
I'm talking about pounds (£) you autist, not dollars ($).

>fanboy reading comprehension
Not even once.

>they were testing an rx 470 and didn't realise it
Ok this is obvious b8 now

>>55085364

And I still believe it will perform in game between a 980/Fury, from what I have seen from new architectures and die shrinks I think he severely underestimated the performance boost. The difference between a 390 and a Nano is a good 25-30%. Pascal is just Maxwell on a die shrink and it performs ~25% better than previous cards

I think he was just covering his ass by lowballing it so he didn't look like a fool if AMD made a shit architecture

>>55085364
It's funny how they all jumped to deny this one reddit post from some guy who did his own calculations and predicted it to be just above r9 390 levels. He was getting constant abuse from r/amd niggers and they were all saying it was going to he r9 fury levels. Suddenly adored tv comes out with his vid and says it's going to be like a 290x and they're all cheering because muh value, only because adored tv said it. Amd fanboys, literally worse than console shills.

>>55085316

Well that settles it.

>>55084965
Holy fuck that thing probably has insane OC headroom

>GTX 1060 comes out
>AMD files for bankruptcy

poor lads

>>55085364
He was referring to stock speeds so there isn't really word on third party designs that increase the power target.

>>55085483
Let them have their couple of weeks of hope.

>>55085483
Kek

>>55085483

>only comes in 3GB/6GB flavors, and that's if they don't jew you out of a half GB somewhere
>you'll still pay more than a 480 for it because Nvidia can't undercut it's 1070 sales

>>55080043
The 480 barley matches a 960 where the fuck did u you hear different there been hundreds of threads about this

>close to 980 performance
>close 2 970 performance

do AMDcucks not follow their own memes?

they are close to those cards because nvidia jews gimp their older cards even if it's just last gen

brand loyalty faggots

when will they learn?

Building my first pc. I want to go with a 480 8 gb. If I can save money, I'd like a reference cooler. Are they as bad as they used to be or is it relatively safe to get one now?

>>55085506
No you fucker, the 480 barely matches a 750Ti, get your facts straight.

>mfw amd might have a chance to sweep up the midrange market
>Microsoft comes along and buys up their rx 490 for the xbox scorpio and sells a 4k gaming and vr machine for $450
>literally obsoleting the pc space underneath that price

Where were you when Microsoft just obsoleted the whole of amd'd polaris?

>inb4 polaris will still sell

Not as much as the new console will sell when normies hear about muh 4k vr oculus rift. Nvidia will take an even bigger lead over the market.

>>55085559
You're also retarded.

>>55085523
the gimping meme has been proven wrong by now. at worst they dont put out any performance enhancements for old shit.

>>55085607
just wait until the 970 starts finally using all its V-ram again

>>55085366
Citation needed? Do you live under a rock? There are leaked benchmarks everywhere.

Adored did an analysis based on the AotS benchmark that shows the 480 is slightly slower than a 980. Wccftech just released leaked benchmarks that put the card slightly ahead of the 980. At this point, it's completely reasonable to assume that's about how the card performs.

>>55084985
>>55085059
wccftech has been on point with all the polaris news. Even the shitty Videocards site has even been correct so far.

>>55085559
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>55085603
Prove me wrong then? Please, explain to me why an average Joe casual who thinks assassins creed is goty and spends money on fifa points will actively research pc components and build his own pc when he can goto Walmart and pay $450 for a "4k capable VR console" and still play fifa and cawadoody. The xbox will be significantly more powerful than any pc you can get at that $450 price range. Even a cheap $200 480 will perform worse than the console at half the price (for the gpu alone) since the console is predicted to be $450 and it's already confirmed it's using a vega rx 490. Buying polaris will literally be a downgrade but you'll ultimately be paying more for that downgrade.

> The “beast mode” AIB cards that we mentioned earlier will feature a single six pin and a single eight pin design.
GAME OVER. Nvidia is FINISHED

>>55079161
>used 970
>148$

>>55085715
>used

>>55082920
>if i overclock a turd to its limit lol its just as good as another stock card kek and lel

>>55085559
Scorpio has a 2TFlop CPU and a 4TFlop GPU. 480 is 5Tflop at absolute minimum. They're using a 470 or 460 equivalent.

>>55085780
No it has a 6 TFLOP gpu. 4 TFLOP cpu.

http://www.techpowerup.com/223385/microsoft-xbox-scorpio-soc-powered-by-polaris-and-zen

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

>>55085780
Uhhh, they don't even make CPUs that can hit a teraflop yet. So it's probably using a modified 480 that hits like 5.7 teraflops with the rest of that coming from the CPU. It's pisses me off because I just made a computer with about 3 teraflops of power that cost 500$ and it's about to get wrecked by a console.

>>55085529

They've never cooled as well or done it as quietly, but those cards are usually much hotter and the 480 seems to run at 60C so this might be a reference card that is bareable to use

>>55085559

Don't kid yourself, the Scorpio will sell for $600

>>55085532
the 480 barely matches a 650 Ti you AMD shills.

>>55085885
Everyone knows that the RX480 matches the GTX 480, why do you think they almost have the same names?

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Was this leaked photo real? I seen it 2 days ago but the RX was said to only have 1-Six pin now they are saying the over clocked version will have a 6+8 If this turns out to be real the OC is going to be fucking insane.

>>55085903
All you faggots disgust me, the RX480 can't even beat a 8800GT

>>55085903
the gtx stands for great time extreme whereas the amd card is for redundant xenomorphs aka unemployed mexicans

why dont the new cards have HBM?

>>55085947
You know power delivery isn't what limits overclocking, right? Needing 6+8 pin for a moderate overclock on a midrange says overclocking is going to be gimped by its horrendous power consumption.

>>55085141
You do realize the GTX 970 is worst than a R9 390.

>>55086030
The 480 is a mid range card so no HBM. The 1080 is a enthusiast card, but the rumor is HBM scarce so it did not get HBM.

>>55085559
>using Polaris in the new xbox means Polaris wont sell at all guys! Even though the normies wouldn't be buying Polaris anyway its totally dead!
>Xbox using Polaris means Nvidia is going to win!!
>>55085697
>Xbox is using Vega, an architecture not scheduled to be ready for release until next year

And who said anything about building PCs? Normies aren't doing that anyway.

>>55086032
>moderate overclock

You happen to know the over clocking specs?

>>55085947
aside from that msi model being confirmed fake

>>55086099
Awwww....it was ugly anyway.

>>55085947
> 100W GPU on a card with up to 300W power delivery

jesus fuck tell me this isn't real

>>55086085
You do know that amd make piss poor money from consoles right? I think I read somewhere that they only make like £55 per £250 console sold. They're barely making anything at all from these current consoles and by allowing Microsoft to make this new console at such a low price point and very powerful hardware they're removing the incentive for anyone who wants to build a budget pc with polaris.

>>55086086
They're never much. You don't think either Nvidia or AMD is going to put out a chip at half speed, do you?
>"It's really a $600 enthusiast class chip, but we're gonna let you have it for $200. And we're gonna sell chips that could have filled the $500, 400, 300, and 200 segments for $150, $120, $100, and $80!"

>>55086163
Sorry I meant £350* console

>>55079510
Seriously i want to replace my 290. Guess im getting a 1070 if it doesn't show up by black cock Friday.

>>55086030

Production isn't up to quality yet, HBM2 would increase the cost of these cards greatly and that would hurt their marketing as a huge perf/$ increase over what we've seen

>>55085947
Obviously not. Why would there be an MSI Lightning version of a mid-tier card? It's a triple slot monster.

>>55086208
clock speeds are the highest common chips they can put out.
target a power draw/performance envelope ->target a clock speed ->sift out the chips that don't make that

>>55084798
>Whatever tripfag
>!BE/4wes0mE

He is the only tripfag I remember on this board, and it's for shilling Nvidia. Don't even respond to him, you're wasting your time.

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>>55085885
This is actually my card right now the 650ti boost. Should I upgrade yet? I still get 60fps on world of warships and world of tanks and world of warcraft and assasins creed unity and cs go and darksouls3 and gtav and ...

>>55086163
The incentive would be that you can do things on PC you cant do on console, and that's ignoring the obvious paywall to use online features. Don't forget this new series just started and they haven't even given us much details on Vega yet, which is of course more powerful than Polaris.

>>55086294
>performance envelope --> target a clock speed

You don't understand that clock speed = performance?

A given chip is going to need a certain voltage to reach a certain clock speed, which, with its leakage, is going to determine its power draw. Needing a crap ton more power to achieve slightly greater clocks does NOT indicate that this will be an overclocking champion. Quite the opposite, it says it is just about maxed out.

>>55086369
like i said, the fact that the new xbox will be a midrange pc at release sporting a 6.2 tflop gpu removes that incentive. it's common knowledge that that the average joe would rather buy a console + laptop/macbook than buy and build a desktop pc. also digital foundry have all but confirmed the xbox is using vega based on microsofts own performance numbers.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

>>55079776
> continuously posting the link to a known AMD basher, holding it up has gospel
Spicy meemay, my dude

>>55079161

>the entire top tiers of logical incriments are GTX now, not even the R9s or X series versions are listed as possible options, just entirely 1070 and 1080s

>they even say when the 470 comes out it'll still be under the 950 and 960

>>55079776
Don;t give up. Post it everyday and maybe one day someone will care.

>>55079764
>nigger faggot that doesn't into meme arrows detected

>>55086048
At stock clocks maybe. Mine is hitting 11k at Firestrike 1.1

I only care about the high-end cards, and since amd won't make a good highend card, nvidia is the only option

>>55086407
high leakage chips overclock farther, in point of fact.

>>55086685
So why even comment here? You're going to have to do better than that if you want to start a fight.

>>55079161
>GTX 970 performance

(citation needed)

>>55079776
>hardoncp
Kek

>>55086635
Holy shit

>>55080845
Where are AMD's cards to compete with 1080 and 1070?

>>55086850
This is a bit embarrassing. They actually can't make cards to compete with the 1080 and 1070...

>>55079161
Sorry OP but it is more likely to perform like the 960

>>55086850
confirmed for 2017 at the earliest, predicted to be around fall 2017. if you're in need right now just buy a 1070 and be done with these threads for the next 3 years till you want to upgrade again and feel like shitposting.

>AMD won
>Nvidia on top of all these benchmarks

HUEHUEHEHEHUE

>>55086873
this is a good attempt at recovering from your loses.

>>55086635
This was edited, the original says ATI
Noice colorful cards died before the acquisition
I wonder why they purposely ignore the colored Nvidia cards? Even today you can find cards in different color schemes, though it's a far cry from those older days

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>>55086850
>>55086873

If I can't provide HBM2 for my customers we will wait until the time is right and I refuse to sell them 5x for $650

>>55086850

forget the 1080 and 1070. NVIDIA shipped GP100 with 16GB of HBM2 already back in april. if AMD can't even compete with the 300mm2 GP104 midrange junk, how are they going to compete when GP100 yields are acceptable for the masses?

>>55087215
>GP100
>masses
What have you been smoking senpai?
G*100 chips have been destined to halo products since the Fermi fiasco, you won't ever find them in cards costing less than a 1000 USD
With the current Nvidia pricing it wouldn't be surprising that GP100 cards would retail at 2500+ and GP102 at 1000+

>>55080181
AYYYYYY
I doubled my money with AMD, I bought at $2.22 and pulled out at $4.50, I seriously hope if keeps going up for you bud. Good job

>>55079450
>trusting "industry benchmarks" when nvidia pays game developers millions to tesselate surfaces outside/underneath the viewable game world

>>55087246
>you won't ever find them in cards costing less than a 1000 USD

the gtx980ti and gtx780 were $650, the 780ti was $700

>>55087246
nvidia engineer here
gp100 goes straight to Tesla gpgpu cards iirc
no gamer garbage gets binned from gp100

>>55087256
Wait doesnt that hurt performance for everyone?

>>55087292
AMDiscount are notoriously bad at tesselation

>>55079161

If 470 only used 100watts, will 460 used less than 80watts?
Also what is the price point for both cards?

This is important because I need a lot of them.

>>55087269
Neither of those have the full G*100 chip, it has always been reserved for the Titan series
>>55087289
This makes sense, Nvidia's compute line is long overdue for a new arch
But then what makes GP102? It would be surprising it not being a binned GP100 chip

>>55087249
>tfw poor college student
>tfw almost putting in almost $3k of my savings when it was $1.6 a share
>tfw pussying out
I could have more than double my money and saved some cash for a full new build. Fuck, I couldn't even do it, since I used quite a lot of it during those months.

>>55087292
It does, as Witcher 3 and Batman Arkham Asylum proved, but Nvidia equips it's cards with more hardware tessellation units, suffering less of an impact

>>55087393
>it's nvidia's fault their cards are better equipt

amdrones sounding like the shit that console plebs were going on about when the ps4 had gddr5 and the xbox had ddr3. xbox fans blaming ps4 because their games were running into vram bottlenecks due to games being targeted at the much more capable vram in the ps4 and ported over and tweaked for the shitty ddr3 in the xbox, causing some bottlenecks and thus shitty performance.

>>55087527
There's literally no visual benefit to such retarded levels of tesselation, the only purpose for it it's to gimp the competition while gimping their own cards
You should go back to >>>/v/

>>55087547
you fags keep going on about that once crysis game and keep telling me that nvidia did it yet no one has provided any legitimate sources where anyone from nvidia or the dev team have come forward and said nvidia were behind it.

until i have actual solid proof that nvidia developed this game and added all this tessellation, i have no reason to believe that it's anything more than shitty devs.

Nvidia on reduced market share watch

>forcing gpus to do completely unnecessary calculations
>reducing performance of your own customers to spite an already losing competitor
>people defend this

This is why I ditched my 780s after owning them for only 6 months, nvidia thinks its good business to hold back efficiency and performance updates for the next generation while electricity prices are sky rocketing all over the world

>>55085947
>>55086099
>>55086120
>>55086277
The fucking photo is real. The thing is the guy slapped lightning cooler on top of RX 480 to avoid NDA. The scores he got in Firestrike Ultra are the same as in >>55085218

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>>55087596
>anyone from nvidia or the dev team have come forward and said nvidia were behind it
What a great goy, or should I say, shill?
Anyways, they been doing this since Crysis 2, and it has been verified by independent journalists/people, not by people directly related to the scam companies
Witcher 3 is the greatest latest example since it also cripples Maxwell cards, and it's literally impossible to appreciate any difference, even pixel peeping
Nvidia does hairworks at 64x, while there's no appreciable difference after 8x
The only way to tune how much tessellation is done is through drivers on AMD cards, Nvidia cards suffer even more of a performance hit thanks to this

>>55087764
>Not being able to see the difference between x8 and x16

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>>55087815

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>>55087764
>and it has been verified by independent journalists/people

like who? adored tv? this means nothing and certainly doesn't mean nvidia did any of this. all the evidence that has been presented make it look like its more the devs fault that it is nvidia's. please, take off that tinfoil hat.

>>55085366
Kill yourself Nvidiashill.

>>55087393

Arkham Asylum didn't even have tessellation.
I think you mean arkham city or origins (Arkham Knight runs beautifully in my R9 390 so that game can't have that problem)

>>55087815
>>55087817
There's a small difference between them at the edges and in the hard lines. It's not worth the 4x performance drop though.

The make and break will be how close the 480 will get to the 1070. Vega is coming in too late to compete with the 1070 & 1080 so the consumer has to decide if the 480 is enough for him and saves some money or if he rather wants the power of the 1070 and is willing to pay quite some more for it.

People who are eying the 1080 would never settle for 480 and waitfags who are willing to pay so much for a gpu are guaranteed to get the 1080TI instead of anything AMD has to offer.

On the other hand the 1060 and 1050 are already dead unless Nvidia does a miracle.

Did you hear about it guys.
Xbox 4K is just a regular Xbox with an upscailer to 4k resolution.
There is no need to shell out 1K for a gpu.

>>55088182
>upscaler*

>>55087385
If it makes you feel better I just lost a $700 pair of headphones

>>55088182
>Representing every pixel as group of four
I can hear the quality

>>55079776
>that title
>unbiased
Memlad

>>55088206
You should see the anons justifying how great will be.
Like niggers buy $200 laptop that can do 720p,controller and a $20 chink upscaler and you are done.

>You'll probably only be able to see the flaws in the textures more clearly though


Oh i love the internet

>>55088182
I was joking about it not playing games in 4K and only using it for media playback, but if that's true, that's hilarious.

>>55088248
What i find more funny is that teens here that still take money from their parents fight over expensive cards and autistic people take this shit seriously .
They actually go and buy 1K cards while we all know that will be playing low rez console ports for the next decade at least and that the current GPUs you guys have are probably enough for it.

>>55080155
you described me

>>55079510
The 490 will release in oktober.

new consoles will enable higher quality games on pc finally

>>55088422
>Xbox One S will upscale games to a 4K resolution as well as supporting 4K video playback, Xbox marketing exec Aaron Greenberg has confirmed.
>upscale
sure they will

what's the point of video cards this powerful when modern video games are trash?

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>>55088422
yes because all pc games are ports of console games

>>>/v/341417517

stupid question, but as long as I am using an old 1680x1050 monitor should I give a fuck about new new generation at all? Or would a high tier card of the last gen be enough?
>inb4 kill yourself

>>55088894
consoles still play at 1280x720 so i would say you are set for quite some time

>>55088933
update your mammaries bro
you're stuck in 2013

>>55088631
>yes because all pc games are ports of console games
I had to play Witcher 3 to find out this is completely true.
I waited till this GOG summer sale to get it, and I can only imagine the anger some little v-tards felt about being lied to by their video game maker heroes.

>>55088950
not ports just downgrades.

>>55088947
name a console that has all titles in 1008p

If the 480 is faster than a 970 then i'm gonna upgrade. 3.5gb of meme ram is just not enough for my new 1440p screen, and i'd prefer to wait for volta next year for true HBR2.

>>55085233
>telling the enemy of your plans so they can plan for it
>not being as vague as possible and catching nvidia with their pants around their ankles instead
That's why you're not working for either company.

I just found a gtx980 second hand for €350.
I guess reality is catching up with nvidiots.

>>55089001
The PS3

>>55086850
>>55086873
and why should they when 95% of Steam gamers game @ 1080. Go where the money is and selll in larger volume. It's the law of economics. They don't give a shit about Nvidia's 5% 'premium' range.

>>55090723
are you telling me that current gen PS4 doesnt have all games in 1080p?
wow

As i said get upscaler and you are set

>>55090746
That would require AMD's cards to be fast enough for 1080p first.

>>55087352
Fuck off butt miner

>>55090760
The RX480 is guaranteed to do >60fps with any game 1080p.

>>55079450
/thread
I gave up on AMD after Fiji and Bulldozer (trust us, next gen will be 3x better, then it finally launches and disappoints everyone again and they say, sorry, maybe drivers or next time guys)

I am sold.
560ti -> RX480 for me.

>>55090791
lets hope this is true. would be the go to card for me

>watch e3
>every PC game is full of cringe inducing leftist politicking
vidya is so shit, why did I even buy a 1070

>>55080824
more like
>comparing theoretical aka made up numbers with nothing actually released yet and no benchmarks with a 2 year old card....
it's the same BS they do all the time.

>>55080721
T.net is autisme

>>55090842
This. It's all redditor shit

>>55085715
3.5MemeBytes

>>55087376
Gp100 doesn't have ROPs or TMUs. Also it has more FP64 units than what is necessary for games.

GP102 will be the GPU for games with around 470mm2 of die size.

>>55090895
What?

>New technology
>Last gen performance

...okay

>>55089072
Nigga you think they need some public talk to know performance from the competitor? Remember the recent Fury X annihilation? AMD was probably going to sell that card for $800. Not only was it going to be a close Titan X competitor, it would also be significantly cheaper. Of course, we know what happened, Nvidia knew about the Fury X, knew exactly how well it performed and went for a kill with the 980Ti.

>>55079161
this would be nice if true

>>55090842
>watch e3
I haven't watched this shit in over 10 years.
>>55090842
>every PC game is full of cringe inducing leftist politicking
That's what happens when you let the SJWs win.
>>55090842
>vidya is so shit, why did I even buy a 1070
Moron. I bet you had a 970 or a 980 beforehand. You better have at least a 1440p monitor, if not, you really are a moron.

>>55092126
no I have a 290x, and yes, I have a 1440p monitor

>>55085763
but i didnt overclock it...

>>55088123
>x8
>x16
What? Also is the performance drop that bad?

>>55080918
Practice your 4chan, Yuri.

>>55081493
That Stallman quote makes sense

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>>55092276

No. Retards gonna retard though.

>>55092137

theyre little monsters. two of them is a real monster.

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>>55079161

>~$149
Probably gonna be $150-180, but still great price.

Unless Nvidia is releasing an affordable (sub-$2500 GTX1060 soon, I'll probably switch to AYYYEMDEE, cause I'm not spending $450 on a graphics card.

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>>55084424
According to 3DMark benchmarks it's either slightly above or below 980. While I don't particularly like benchmaks and rather see perfrmance in actual games, I think it still applies.

>>55092518
Not even remotely close to what was being discussed, you shit eating spastic retard.

>>55092620
*sub-$250

selffix

>>55080012
>Trusting Germans
You already forgot about WW1 and 2?

>>55086635
>escapist magazine

>>55092692
>WW1
That had nothing to do with Germany though, they just got dragged in like most everyone else.
They were on the wrong side and certainly became the leader of that side - but they didn't originally even want any part of it.
Hell the whole war wasn't really wanted by anyone.

WW2 is different story, Germany is 75% culpable for that.
>whhaa not 100%?
No, if the Allied powers of WW1 had not gimped germany with the Weimar government and laden them with the entire debt of WW1, Hitler would never of had a platform to start his evil campaign.

>Every tech site still assuming that a 4th gen GCN CU is 64 ALUs
>Polaris 11 clocked at 850mhz shown competing with the GTX 950 in StarWars Battlefront
>Comparable to the Radeon 7870 ghz edition
>16 4th Gen CU vs 20 1st Gen CU
>850mhz clock vs 1000mhz clock
>RX 480 performs in the range of the R9 390-R9 390X
>difference in CU there is only 4 to 8
>percentage wise its much smaller
>and the RX 480 has significantly higher clocks

A 4th Gen GCN CU is not 64 ALUs(4X16) they are varied in length and width. AMD is using a different method to measure GFLOPS now too, probably involving their scalar units which are more numerous now.

June 29 is going to be a huge deal with the NDA is up and reviews come out detailing the arch. AMD could possibly equal or exceed the performance of their previous arch with half the shader cores.

>>55090791
>The RX480 is guaranteed to do >60fps with any game 1080p.
Except it won't. Most of them, yeah, but if you truly think ANY game you haven't played a lot in the last five years

>>55092735
I put Germany at 45% on WW2 to be honest
30% Versailles
20% France and Bongs being pussies with appeasement
5% Boland being utter cocks

Nvidiots btfo

>>55093321
>getting a 1080 to get most out of my 1440p 144 hz screen
>amdrones happy they finally get to play at 60 fps in 1080p
never been that rekt in my life

>>55093345
>still buying such a bad performance/price in the *80
At least go with the 1070. I bet you don't even have a 1080 with how bad the availability has been.

>>55093397
I'm not NEET, so the 300€ more really don't hurt me.
And no, I don't have one yet, but I didn't say that. I already ordered it, though.

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>>55079161

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>>55085506
>The 480 barley matches a 960 where the fuck did u you hear different there been hundreds of threads about this
In which brewery?

>>55093469
More important; what is the moisture content and is it two or six row barley?

>>55079843
They didn't design it to be obsolete, that's what both Microsoft and Sony WANTED. It far surpasses the X360 and PS3, but MS and Sony wanted to keep costs down, so they skimped and then regretted it.
Not AMD's fault.

>>55081475
fuckin ww2 propaganda, ahh kek

>>55093517
I don't think AMD cares, it gets to design two SoCs for each company.
That's good money for them

>>55093587
Absolutely. I'm not saying AMD wouldn't have turned round to them and suggested that using a more powerful GPU would've done them better for the long term, but ultimately it was a semi-custom design and as long as it'll work, they'll do as the customer asks of them if it pays enough to profit even a little.

>>55087292
amd has enough resolution function to not feel much of a hardware impact when it's not pushed to a retarded extent, nvidia failed to make tessellation a thing in their cards and bitched to microsoft till they removed it from the dx10 standard, when they got their shit together for dx11 they put retarded amounts of tessellation capability into their cards, and paid (through advertisements) devs to put it in games, almost all devs use it in ways that are fucking retarded like an under the world ocean, or a square block going from 200 polies (there was some detail) to a chunk so dense that when viewed as a wire frame you couldnt tell it wasn't painted.

nvidia takes a significant hit, but amd takes a bigger one so they do this, they pushed it the hardest once the 900 were out as they did tessellation even better.

>>55087527
i wish i could agree with you, but look at god rays in fallout 4, no difference between low and ultra, but a performance impact, look at witcher, no difference visually between 16x (8x isn't much worse then 16, the visual differences end somewhere in between the two) and 64x, but it wasn't till massive fucking backlash that a limiter was put in game.

i honest to fucking god wish nvidia paid devs to make their games look better, i really do, would light a fire under amds ass getting opengpu going, but nvidia gets devs to do actually bullshit that doesn't improve visuals just to fuck with amd and their old hardware (give them 700`s a good reason to upgrade)

>>55081015
Because nvidia honeydicks companies into sabotaging AMD perfomance

>>55092518
yes and no.

you feel the performance hit more on lower end hardware, its something like 10-20% however you go with 64X and it halves your framerate for no visual difference between it and 16x.

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>>55085523
don't care, $199

>>55093184
ok, minus the heavily gimped ones like project cars, or the horribly outdated engine used in fallout 4 and probably the glorified indie team that is behind arma.

you would have to horribly fuck up your game, your engine, or not have the man power to optimize to not run 60 on the card no matter what.

and on the user side, no super sampling at 1080... personally i don't play with aa of any kind as i don't like it but not everyone can deal with that.

>>55086892
possibly 2016 fall, more likely q1 2017, it entirely is on hynx and hbm2 in volume for the amd cards at this point, they are ready to go but hbm2 is only in cards that cost something like 20,000$ each at this point.

>>55087215
that card costs around 20 grand each and its required you buy 8 of them.

>>55084862
resolution is FAR overrated, frames have a FAR bigger difference in visual clarity assuming you aren't 1080p on 40+inch tvs.

>>55087215
Nigga please. True Pascal won't be seen this generation. I bet their fat Pascal chip, i.e. the new Titan and 1080Ti, will carry GDDR5x since they probably blew all of the HBM2 on their entrepisegoys. You'll probably see it when they debut Volta as a rebranded 1170 if you're lucky and Nividia still wants to make fat chips.

>>55090815
>I'm too young to remember when AMD/ATI was great

>>55081349
why would you upgrade in the same generation?
i have an older card, so i want to know what the performance is compared to older cards, not so much the new ones as the 1070 and 1080 are at retard levels of overpriced right now and due to that non viable options.

the 480... that for me would be a significant jump forward, and if it gets better dx11 performance even bigger jump then i'm assuming.

>>55081449
you will never believe a single benchmark posted anyway so why bother?

>>55087824
Hairworks is a Nvidia library, it's a black box to devs, pretty much everything GameWorks is a black box

>>55092518
That's PCIe speed differences in performance retard

>>55088154
The only miracle Nvidia could do is sabotage GloFo, they can't compete with the RX480 without cannibalizing 1070 sales

>>55088444
The XBOne can render at 4K, it's something retarded though
It already could upscale
Project Scorpio (new Xbox for 2017) should be able to render some acceptable games at 4K

>>55093587
They didn't even had to design much, both SoC's share a lot of stuff, and everything in them already existed in other products
AMD really got away with that console generation

>>55093993
>implying we won't get HBM2 1080Ti at 3000 MSRP and 6000 retail

>>55091093
The GP100 definitely has TMUs (224 IIRC), and it's not known about ROP counts, which could be anything from zero to a token amount.

Aside from that and the FP64 being wasteful for gaming, mistargeted specs include:
> highly skewed compute/bandwidth balance (~10 FP32 FLOPS per B/s) compared to GTX 1080/1070 (~26/~23)
> massive 14 MB register file being a waste for non-compute applications
> 4x NVLinks being a complete die space waste

Right now my money's on:
> GP102 - 12 GB GDDR5X (384b, possibly at 12GT/s for 480-576GB/s), 3840-4096 shaders, 460-500 mm^2.
> Vega - 8/16 GB HBM2 (2x modules for 500 GB/s), ~4096 shaders, 420-450 mm^2

Nvidia dumped R&D bucks into GDDR5X, and there's no evidence that their HBM efforts are more than vaporware at this point.
Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised though.

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>>55079161
In a year when there's a new X display server or linux kernel, are they going to abandon support for it too?

I don't think I'll be buying shit from AMD any longer.

Unknowns: OC ability of Polaris 10 GPUs, number of stream processors in the RX470, cost of partner cards, Polaris tessellation performance, Pascal DX12 performance

For VR and multimonitor, utility of Pascal's simultaneous multiprojection.

Disclaimer: I was always planning to get the RX 470.

>>55079161
The RX470 probably gets slightly less FPS than the 970 in DX11 and probably about the same as the 970 in DX12.

>>55079510
>>55080020
Unknown, Vega could be 490 + Fury. Polaris 10 got turned into two consumer chips, so I'd imagine Vega 10 will, too. RX490 and RX Fury, one chip in each tier. 490 will be an awesome value if this is the case.

>>55080197
Likely that there is no Vega11. There's virtually no credible mention of it on the web.

>>55081158
Dummby, l2read

>>55085483
I'm interested in specs + price/perf of this card too. Likely it will be a nice, bottom-tier VR card.

>>55085529
AMD claims to have an amazing stock cooler on its cards. I kinda believe it, because they just released new, significantly better stock coolers with their CPUs.

>>55085559
I have a PC because it's a fairly open platform. But consoles will be the cheapest budget STANDARDIZED VR machines.

>>55085780
Could be full P10, 2560 SPs. Pretty baller (expensive) GPU if that's the case.

>>55086032
I'm honestly suprised that the RX480 is getting anything other than a single six pin.

>>55086575
D E L U S I O N

>>55087215
>how are they going to compete when GP100 yields are acceptable for the masses
Vega, which will prompt NVIDIA to release the 1080Ti, which will be the RX Fury competitor.

Volta might be crazy though.

>>55093345
>having a 1440p 144 hz screen
Engoy ur CSGO, ye of little taste