Why is Microsoft pushing Windows 10 so hard?

>>55059211
Profit

What else did you expect from a megacorporation?

>>55059226
But how?

Tracking your data and sending it to advertisers?

>>55059211
Because it's their newest OS and the more people use it the less resource they have to spent to maintain older versions.

>>55059307
That and their app store.

>>55059432
Yes, THAT's what it is.

>>55059211
Because they currently have to support 4 OS's, and if everyone went to 10 they'd only have to work on one OS, common sense.

the gubmint is probably paying them to push their spyware OS

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>>55059211
>Microsoft pushing so hard

>>55059432
Finnally someone gets it.

>>55059559
>>55059432

haha no poo in the loo damage control faggots

>>55059307

>ads in start menu
>store
>tracking
>possibly offering a subscription-based Windows SKU in the near future

>>55059537
Fuck off iShill.

>>55059631
>offering a subscription-based Windows SKU in the near future

not a possibility, this IS what's going to happen. basic bait and switch bullshit Microsoft is famous for

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It's easier for Microsoft to monetize because of telemetry and advertising.

It's better to migrate users to an operating system with forced software updates to improve their security reputation.

It makes software more standardized for developers.

Don't agree with their decisions personally but those are the likely justifications.

>>55059432

I agree but i also think Microsoft wants to move towards providing services like Google and move away from being a software company.

>>55059432
>>55059505
that's not even poo anymore, parjeet, that's blood from all the micro&soft you took up your ass throughout the past year

>>55059747
Memes won't make your irrelevant server OS more relevant, Linux friend.

>>55059211
They're desperate.

>>55059211
More people that could buy shit in store.
Less maintenance burden on older versions if people move over from them.
Developers hate fragmented userbase and old versions sticking around (like XP, which 7 is probably going to be a repeat of).

>>55059307
Yes. Expect tracking and ads to increase after the free upgrade offer expires

I'm an idiot. It's not worth upgrading to, right? Because I can't be bothered and all the shit about tracking sounds irritating.

Other versions are less secure the Windows 10

>>55060348
xD

>>55060348
wow dued xdd lamo

ofc they are faggot
ms will cease sec updates to 8.1 and before

>>55060348
xD

Is there anyway to buy games from the windows 10 store and use it on windows 7?

>>55060454
Use Steam, pleb

>>55060585
Steam won't have Halo, Gears, or whatever shit MS puts out.

>>55059211
data mining/monetization

>>55060585
the windows store doesnt let their games to be sold on steam
theyre trying to be competitive while also forcing windows 10

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>>55059211
Because it's not really a full on botnet if it's not constantly trying to assimilate you.

>>55060925
>upgrade notice has no No option
>clicking X is interpreted as a Yes

I really wonder if they will make new games not retro compatible with older versions of windows...
And if they will ask you for xbox live membership or shit like that.

The new Microsoft play everywhere looks fishy as fuck.
Not going to install botnet 10 for muh gaymes.

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My comp came with Win 8, so I'm sure it already has MS' bullshit on it. Should I upgrade or stick with 8?

>>55059766
It's not a meme.
They are obliged to support windblows 7 until 2022. Not everyone on this planet is going to make the transition and while they might still benefit from many people switching, they sure are not gaining enough to justify them pushing windblows 10 this hard.

>>55059211

Because they are company that makes and sell OS, among other things, what do you think?

Main answer is that MS wants to be Apple 2.0. Almost everything they did to Windows lately had Apple approach in mind, they want a slice from that big cake.

They copied the solution to closing suport for older versions by offering free upgrade too. They copied idea of Windows Store as well, poorly.

One of the selling points of Windows are games, so they try to push their Directx 12, similar to how they tried to persuade people to upgrade to Vista, then 7 and later to 8.1, by Dx 10/11. They would love to make people buy games via Windows Store instead of, for example, Steam, but clearly have no real idea about how to do it. So far they tried to make some PC versions of games Windows 10 only, like Tomb Raider or Quantum Break, only to flop hard.

MS suffer from fragmented market, there are people still using XP for example..

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>>55059211
>tfw you go on vacation and your pc automatically updated to 10

>>55061189

JUST TURN IT OFF
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>>55061508
>implying you can

>>55059211

For push the Store where you can buy safe software with zero hidden crytlockers, meanwhile the average Win7 or below get office using adfly links.

/g/ dont like Store because they live of adfly money and pirated office

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>>55061613
>>55061645

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection

AllowTelemetry to 0, done.

>>55061776
5 rupees have been blah blah blah...

I understand they want to reduce fragmentation to avoid having to make software for different os versions
Problem is windows 10 is complete shit

>>55059631
The day Windows becomes subscription based is the day I switch to using Linux. I'll even use whatever autist meme-distro you guys advocate. Screenshot this

>>55061977
Works on my machines.

>>55061776
I thought it was impossible to fully disable the telemetry?

>>55061508

You cant, stop using this simplification, everybody will laugh you off.

What you CAN do is limit it up to containing only machine and system ID and device class, nothing more. HOWEVER, only on Enterprise/Edu, oficially. I didnt test if this works under Pro with just registry editing.

MS own articles says so:

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/lock-down-windows-10

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>>55061776

>>55062061

Almost all People think that. But it is possible!

>>55062180

Yes, because MS wants your data. It is still possible to turn it off under all Versions of Win 10, even Pro and Home.

The only thing you have to do is edit the registry, a thing "normal" Windows User don't even think about.

But it is possible and it is a simple Registry Edit.

Is it worth upgrading /g/?

>>55062682
tl;dr - No

>>55059211
Universal Apps. Microsoft wants to move away from win32 executables as they kinda suck (i.e. no real package management). However, they can't drop all legacy programs all together so they are pushing everyone to a platform which will support these new types of programs.

>>55064366
no, it's for le data maymayning, fucking shill

>>55059583
Haha yes actually.

Windows 7 - 7 Layers of shyte
Windows 8 - 8 Layers of shyte
Windows 9 - 95 Layers of shyte
Windows 10 - 10 Layers of shyte

Prove me wrong.

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>>55061776
Obligatory

>>55060348
tehehehe xP

>>55062682
I upgraded. Then after an update fucked everything up, I switched to Linux. It's that bad

>>55059211
Don't we have this thread everyday?

>>55061484
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
20 shekels have been deposited on your google wallet and ishill accounts

I just got a hand-me-down laptop from a family member and it's running Vista, would it be worth upgrading to Windows 10? im not sure of the pros or cons of either of them because i mostly got into computers around windows 7, so thats all that i know

Is there any big security breach on windows 10?
Is Windows 7 more secure?

>>55067401
if it's running vista put a lightweight Linux OS on it, eg. Arch (or Antergos if you're scared of the command line)

>>55067451
Yes, badlock vulnerability

>>55067451
they both get security updates, neither are more or less secure than the other. stop this fucking meme

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>mfw friend is trying to convince me to update because it's free

Come the fuck on man

Microsoft is trying to get their own walled garden going.
Kinda like Apple, but maybe a bit more overt.

>>55060640
Enjoy your sabotage-ports of shitty games where you will need GTX1080 to achieve same graphics/performance level as meme Xbox "1,4TFLOPS" One meme console. Because you need to buy that shit too.

>>55067702
>implying Apple's desktop and laptop products have walled gardens

>>55067826
Their mobile products do. That's the kind of thing Microsoft is probably going to go for.

>>55059307
Who cares about that.

>>55067894
People that are not confortable with the idea of a big corporation spying their shit, while trying to control their lifes with subtle marketing strategies based on your very personal data.

>>55060925
So did anyone else thing the femborgs were kinda fuckable? N-not saying I did, or anything...

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>>55059211
Windows 10 is NSA honey pot

>>55059211
They want data. A universal mass surveillance system

>>55070690
kek

Yeah okay I agree it could be used to surveil on certain people of interest but if it was tracking EVERYONE the amount of data that could need to at least be cached would be immense

>>55070690
Fake
I just asked NSA and they said no.

My internet seems a little slower now..hmm

>>55059307
Ads, tracking, profiling.
Imagine you have to track someone using cookies, fingerprints and shit. It's hard.

Imagine if you have to pay a small amount of money to Microsoft, and get all the data and profile of a person.

In the world of advertising this is priceless.
MS can also put ads in Start, in lock screen, in desktop, in apps, anywhere.
Also, apps generate $$$.

I would be happy to use 10 by the way, but they don't even sell the Enterprise version to a few people company.

>>55059432
POOO INN THE LOOOOO PAJEET

>>55059211
They released too many os in a short period. Making sure they're all patched is cutting into their profits.

>>55060309
i upgraded and literally 2 days later a microman was at the door asking for payment

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>>55067003
>having to download shitware to disable spying

why not download a real OS?

>>55071231
>I would be happy to use 10 by the way, but they don't even sell the Enterprise version to a few people company.

Just get server when it comes out. It's bound to be de-botnetted because no enterpruse in their right mind would deploy it otherwise.

The fact that it takes so long for them to even roll out server is proof that win10 was released as half baked beta.

>>55061431
vindos ex pee best OS

>>55061484
>implying that shitting on the ganges is some form of vacation

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Does anyone in here have experience buying OEM versions of win10 on kinguin and pages alike? How do i get the installation file?

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Putting almost everyone on the same OS will ensure Microshit they have full access to most computers.

Then with that access, they will be tracking you to the amount of photos you've viewed and for how long.
Microsoft can give this information about mass interest to ad companies for great deals of money.

Also, Microshit wants to put everyone on the same OS so they can maintain 1 OS, instead of 4.

MS is desperately pushing their vision of unifying mobile with desktop PCs/notebooks. Windows 10 is part of that vision, and MS knows how competitive the mobile market is so they want to give people a reason to go to Windows Phones.

MS is a company full of yes men and big on corporate hierarchy, so when the people high up have an idea like this nobody can argue with it. You can see MS's corporate culture embodied in Windows 10 itself. The inconsistent UI, the poor concepts that you can tell the engineers were desperate to "just make it work" so management would shut up about it, etc.

If MS is smart, they'll admit that the whole "one platform" vision was a mistake. They'll do the same thing they did with Windows 7, which is address all the issues. Remember the marketing campaign for Windows 7? They fixed most of the bullshit from Windows Vista and used "every day people", actors obviously, but the campaign was "Windows 7 was my idea". It was a clever way to convey the message "yeah, we at MS fucked up, so we listened to you and fixed it"

>>55062061
cant you fuck with your DNS so that the telemetry never makes it to msoft?

>>55072959
and they have the audacity to make people pay for that shit.

>>55062061
good luck finding all the IP's and maintaining a list of IP's as the get updated.

Also, telemetry data cannot be turned off as M$ has already admitted themselves

>https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1277322-microsoft-admits-windows-10-spying-cannot-be-disabled/
>http://techraptor.net/content/microsoft-admits-some-data-collection-cant-be-disabled-doesnt-consider-it-a-privacy-concern

>Why is a software company pushing their software so hard
Fucking really /g/

>>55073009
They didn't fix shit with Windows 7, you blind idiot, they just gave Vista a spit-shine and called it a new version

10 is exactly the same bullshit but with 8

>>55072959
I don't see what the big deal is with the so-called "spy" stuff. Every other company does it. Google and Apple are watching you. Your ISP is watching you. Why is it so bad when Microsoft does it? In fact, Microsoft has even LESS information because you don't carry your PC around, which means no GPS coordinates!

I personally use Windows 10, and I have no problem with it. My games even run faster! Windows 10 has all the apps you know and love, and they all run perfectly. And with the new and improved Windows Update, you no longer have to worry about the arduous task of applying patches! My IT guy loves it!

Because it's a massive flop like 8.x.

>>55059211
probably made a deal with the NSA to keep taps on everyone.

>>55073113
>implying I use Google or Apple
>implying my ISP can see HOW MANY PICTURES I'VE SEEN
>implying a good update program was previously unavailble
>implying I care about games
>your IT guy isn't a real IT guy

>>55073113
Ever heard of SSL m8?

>>55061412
They are only obligated to push security updates for Windows 7 until 2020 actually (Mainstream support ended last year) and for Windows 8/8.1 until January of 2018 for mainstream support and then they will push security updates only until January 2023. Lookup Windows 7 lifecycle and click on the link that says Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet.

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>>55073140
*tips fedora*

The government is your friend. Go jerk off to Ayn Rand you fat autistic loser.

>>55073155

Ok nerd, illuminati and Aliens. Are you afraid that they are gonna find you lolli porn and cp?

>>55070690
>NSAmonitoring101
K E K

>>55061431
Copying Apple isn't a horrible idea since they have some of the nicest looking products on the market and the most robust. Microsoft just needs to take a better approach for handling it. The fragmented market thing will be hard to change since organizations like the United States Navy still run on XP and pay big money for Microsoft to keep supporting it for them. Some companies still run systems on COBALT just because it's so expensive and time consuming to replace a product that works just fine

>>55061977
It's miles ahead of 8/8.1. It's also fairly robust as an OS in my experience. Vendors have just been lazy about pushing Windows 10 support to their products which is not at all the fault of Microsoft. All of that being said, I still greatly prefer 7.

>>55066985
There was no official Windows 9, so, you're wrong

>>55059211
Skynet

>>55067072
I don't know what cheap ass chink shit machine you were running for it to get fucked that hard. Probably a thinkpad? I have upgraded a dozen devices and not a single one has had any form of issue that was purely the fault of the OS

>>55067503
One does not simply tell a Windows user to migrate to Linux when Windows is all they know

>>55070690
The NSA doesn't give a fuck about you tentacle hentai, Mr. Durka Durka

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Is anyone else having trouble with updates?
This update should have been like 600-700 MB but it's downloaded like 4.5 GB up to now....

>>55073800
You might be better off killing it and downloading it manually

>>55059211
>windows 10
What is this, 2015?

What are the chances that w 10 has bitcoin mining software hidden in it as well? I mean they're already making coins off your data right?

>>55059631
> adds in start menu
Citation needed
> store
literally a positive
> tracking
citation needed
> future subscription
fucking paranoid

Fuck off with that anti window shill shit, I get your a poorfag who can't ducking hold a job long enough to buy t our own tendies

If your autism gets triggered so hard at the idea r hat Microsoft might be doing sketchy shit (which they're not) than maybe you should ignore it and use your shit tier LOLnix

I tried to upgrade from Win 7, it demanded 50GB free space on my SSD. Oh well.

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WHY DO THEY MAKE 2 WINDOWS OF SOME STUFF? EXAMPLE.

>>55075267
>remove old control panel
>>OH MY GOD THEY CHANGED EVERYTHING
>don't add new control panel
>>WINDOWS IS SO OLD
>keep old, add new
>>WHY ARE THERE TWO OF THEM, I'M SO CONFUSED
You literally can't win with all these faggots.

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>>55074104
>adds in start menu
>Citation needed

>>55075450
you have to right click and remove them one by one and then you drag the edge if it looks fat

>>55059211
They have a vested interest in getting as many people to use their software as possible because the more people you can data farm and provide advertisements to, the more money you can make.

>>55075384
More like the problem is that you have to jump between the two in weirdest places because they are inbetween some kind of migration process.

>>55059675
Microsoft already said windows 10 is their last version, it's gonna be a subscription OS next

>>55075684
That'd be incredibly stupid. More like a base for their services. Office, etc

>>55074056
low, the shitstorm would be too big, even for microsoft. They just want your data.

>>55059211
They want to finish their business model transition.

>>55059211
constipation

>>55075845
Adobe did it. Beancounters love subscriptions, since it makes revenue much smoother and more predictable, and it removes the threat of the customers saying "Nah, don't need it, not gonna upgrade" when you release version X + 1. As happened to MS with Vista, the world just said "I ain't payin' for that, I'm keepin' XP".

Plus the whole push for convergence with tablets and smartphones. Those come with data plans and people are used to paying monthly fees for them. MS probably hopes it can get people to view their laptops the same way.

>>55078671
>Vista
Yeah, there were REASONS

>>55060348
:3

>>55078671
>and it removes the threat of the customers saying "Nah, don't need it, not gonna upgrade" when you release version X + 1. As happened to MS with Vista, the world just said "I ain't payin' for that, I'm keepin' XP".

people didn't upgrade to vista because it was a broken resource hog on launch which was *NOT* helped by hardware vendors shipping vista with machines that had lower than the minimum recommended specs that microsoft put out (i.e., 512mb of ram instead of 1gb, which ran fine on xp which is why hardware manufacturers did it but I digress) which led to extremely negative public impressions of vista

even if you had a relatively decent pc vista still ran like ass and many people ran into problems with aero especially when gaming, and it took around 2 service packs before all the problems started getting hammered out, but by the time that happened microsoft was rolling out windows 7 which actually ran *better* than winxp on all but the oldest hardware and ran far better than vista even on 512mb of ram (again, below the 1gb minimum specifications) but this time around hardware vendors weren't shipping machines far under specced

but hardware issues aside vista had other problems like an extremely nagging UAC which led to people disabling it (and still disabling it today up to win10 despite the issues with it being fixed in w7)

I went straight from xp to win7 and I regret not hopping on vista sooner but it was not a smooth launch in the slightest which is why people didn't upgrade (also see: win8 despite being technically superior to win7)

>>55060959
>he thinks that closing a window means no
>he doesn't know that people who couldn't write agreed to a contract by sogning it with Xs

Uncultured, uneducated farmer folk

why isn't windows 7 cheap now?

Because targeted ads.

Microsoft wants to know you and everything you do so they can sell your information to advertisers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmR9L0ITlM

Google has been recording your voice for years. Samsung has had the same thing in their Smart TVs and its been going on for much longer than that on the Xbox with Kinect, Amazon Echo and all these other smart devices that activate with a hot word are always listening. Somewhere buried in the EULA's are similar words to this samsung disclaimer.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-warning-our-smart-tvs-record-your-living-room-chatter/

>"Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition."

Cortana and Win10 is even more invasive until you lobotomize it.

>>55078998
You can't buy it in retail stores anymore.

>>55079032
how do i get it now?