How can Nvidia retaliate?

>>55022308
Nvidia started with upper mainstream cards, AMD started with lower budget card. Both companies will eventually cover every class. You have to wait for price and performance of 1050/1050ti/1060/1060ti before you can judge. Same goes for AMD and its stronger cards.

>>55022353
the 750ti was a one off. Nvidia wont duplicate its success. they tried with 950 and failed

POO

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>>55022308
If Nvidia was having any problem selling its cards they would lower the prices to compete with AMD.

The only reason that Nvidia can charge as much as it does is because AMD consistently (at least for the 4 years that I've been following both of them) fails to develop decent drivers and is completely noncompetitive in getting developers to use their software. All of the developers for these AAA titles are using Nvidia software because Nvidia knows how to market itself to them.

When you try to run VR and your AMD card struggles, you'll come here and post a thread about how Nvidia development software gimped your performance somehow just like people on /g/ have been doing for the last 4 years.

>>55022389
Your subjective opinion based purely on fanboism has less value than shit I took this morning.
I could say the same about AMD and its currently non existent high end, but I am not blind fanboy.

Wait untill both companies introduce GPU from every class and then judge.

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>>55022389
>Nvidia wont duplicate its success.

AMD cards don't even appear on the top 20.

I wouldn't be surprised if Intel fills the low end graphics card niche in the next 10 years and AMD disappears. Say what you will about quality but AMD is not a wildly successful company.

Nvidia has a fanbase
amd is perma btfo if they don't change that

>>55022308
Nvidia isn't getting any GPUs in new Apple products, so they can't retaliate. AMD now has laptops, the iMac, and Mac Pro. They're getting balls fucking deep into the Apple ecosystem, and those sales are good.

AMD already has a bunch of enterprise wins for Zen based Opterons, and one semi-custom enterprise APU for some Chinese firm. They're going to have an incredibly strong 2017.

>>55022308
by not being jews

>>55022498
It's sad since AMD's cards have continued to be more than competitive at the medium levels.
But someone who has an nvidia card tells their friend to get an nvidia card, so it's a market that is hard to penetrate.
Heavy brand loyalty.

When third party benchmarks come out for the 480, people will realise that AMD is actually just dead.

>>55022498

yea

the biggest computer shop in my country lists the past 20 sales for the last 7 days for the category you are in

in the nvidia category you have 20+ GPUs sold in the past 15 hours

in the AMD category you have 16 GPUs sold because it caps at 1 week. They havent even sold 20 GPUs in a week to fill all the spots.

>>55023143
When a bunch of people are at a lan party playing the latest game and the kid with the AMD rig is googling why his shit is crashing it tends to AMD HAS NO DRIVERS LOL.

>>55023180
And when nvidia drivers brick an entire generation of cards, people just buy another nvidia card.

>>55023180
dumb tripfag back to r eddit with you

>>55022308
>how can Nvidia retaliate
gtx 1060

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>m$

Anyways, look at how high demand is for the 1080 and 1070, you're delusional if you think Nvidia will go bankrupt.

>>55023220
>gtx 1060
when is it going to be released??

>>55023247
Rumors say October.

>>55023247
Don't know, but since it's basicaly a cut down pascal chip it shouldn't be too long

>>55022308
They will come out with the GTX 1060 which should compete well at the same price point.

Until then though, AMD is going to have the best card.

>>55023237
>you're delusional if you think Nvidia will go bankrupt.
>posting that image to mock someone else, when that image is more accurately of you
>not knowing your bread-and-butter meams

It's simple. Nvidia works with more game devs so more games just work on Nvidia. Nvidia has a lot of brand loyalty due to dominating the market. And Nvidia can price the 1060/ti and 1050 competitively.

>>55023273
>when that image is more accurately of you
>more accurately of you
I'm impressed by your English, Pajeet.

>>55023272
The gtx 1060 will be slightly better performing for slightly more money

For it to drop to 390 level it would have to drop insane amounts of performance from the 1070, I don't see that big of a gap coming

>>55022422
Its hard to look good on a 5 year chart when your company had booming success.

>>55023276
Game devs tell Nvidia something isn't working right and Nvidia fixes it.

AMD used to literally ignore devs and it eventually created a situation where they wouldn't bother making it run well on AMD at all because it was either impossible or too expensive.

>>55022308
nVidia will still outsell AMD in this performance bracket.

>>55023285
They did it with 970 vs 960. The performance drop off between those two is huge.

>>55023307
Gonna be funny shit when they release the 1060 for $250 and it competes with a Titan in game benchmarks and people go man... its only $50 bucks more.

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>>55023312
Why is that? Is there just not much demand for something that is only a little bet slower than an x70 card?

>>55023339
Christ. Filtered.

>>55023312
Yep, that's what they do with the 60 series, it should be around 480 levels.

>>55023285
>The gtx 1060 will be slightly better performing for slightly more money
The 960 was cheaper and performed worse than the 380, and the 380 wasn't a superb card for its money. Now the 480 is and you're saying the 960 will invert the tendency, costing more than the 480 and being better? That would make it too close to the 1070.

The 1060 will be a budget option. AMD won the lower-to-mid range.

>>55023384
but the 480 is ~75% of a 1070 already...

How are (Linux) AMDGPU drivers today? Last time, month or two ago, I tried to run an OpenCL hello world example from AMDAPP SDK, the driver oopsed. But I see a lot of activity in Git repo.

>>55023466
Also would like an answer to this

>>55023451
No, we don't know that yet. We don't know anything about the 480's performance except one cherrypicked benchmark that wasn't even measuring a single cards performance.

>>55023474
we have several 3dmark 11 benches which seem to be just ok for ranking cards, not great but not some garbage spat out by AMD.

>>55023474
since they are so secretive about the benchmarks and since they lowerd the price, one oculd safely assume the GPU's are shit

>>55023451
And the 960 is 75% of the 970.

>>55023361
I think that it was a calculated move to upsell the core ~$250 demographic to the 970 since spending a bit more would garner much higher performance than the 960 that they would otherwise be looking at. It was brilliantly executed, but I don't think that they can repeat that success with this generation. AMD has already negated that strategy because the RX 480 looks like it will be at least 80% of the GTX 1070's performance while costing over $100 less. In order for Nvidia to counter that, they would have to ship a 1060 that would cannibalize the 1070's sales, and waste all of the defective chips that weren't suitable to become 1080s in the process. I'm guessing that the 1060 will be a giant turd that Nvidia will hope to sell to the uninformed masses through brand image alone.

>>55023501
and the 380x beat the 960 in the majority of benchmarks.

>>55023502
We'll see.

It's all speculation at this point, we don't even know how the 480 really performs.

Nvidia will make sure to try to compete with the 480 with their 1060, the question is how they will try to pull it off and if they really can.

Raw specs mean nothing if your shit doesn't work with games. There is a single game developer where AMD cards actually run properly, and that's Ashes of DX12. Every other game runs better on worse-specced Nvidia cards, because every single dev targets Nvidia because it's what most people have.

>>55022308
AMD is for cucks, nvidia is for alpha males who love games. AMD has even been pandering to anime virgin faggots.

>>55023528
Most games are built for consoles first and foremost, and both major consoles run AMD GPUs.

>>55023494
The only reasonable assumption for the price is because the chips are small, which is known to be true. This would push yields up and drive prices down meaning they can saturate the market quicker and also provide them at a lower price point.

They're pushing out small chips that have enough performance to entice people. It's just good business sense.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/

>Where the plot thickens is when you look at the Koduri’s unwavering ambition. Koduri’s ultimate goal is to separate the Radeon Technologies Group from its corporate parent at all costs with the delusion that RTG will be more competitive with NVIDIA and become a possible acquisition target for Koduri and his band of mutineers to cash in when it's sold. While Koduri is known to have a strong desire to do this by forging a new relationship with Apple on custom parts (no surprise there) for Macbooks, the real focus is on trying to become the GPU technology supplier of choice to none other than Intel. While this was speculated some time ago I can tell you with certainty that a deal is in the works with Intel and Koduri and his team of marauders working overtime to get the deal pulled into port ASAP. The Polaris 10/11 launch, and all of its problems, are set to become a future problem of Intel’s in what RTG believes will be a lucrative agreement that will allow Koduri and his men to slash the lines from Lisa Su and the rest of AMD.

Nvidia doesn't even need to do anything, AMD is imploding from inside

>>55023524
I'm calling it right now. The 1060 will be an overpriced, uncompetitive, crapheap that will still generate decent sales because of the awesome Nvidia marketing team.

>>55023535
Okay, good thing nobody in this thread is talking about consoles then.

>>55023558
You do realize that they make the games for consoles first and then port them to the PC?

>>55023553
Fuck off, Kyle. Nobody cares about your torn anus.

>>55023554
Well the 960 wasn't bad at all, I would be surprised if the 1060 doesn't at least get close to the 480.

>>55023571
You do realize that those ports then target Nvidia?

Why do people think that the RX 480 will compete against the GTX 1060 and not the GTX 1050?

The GTX 1070 is 500€ and the RX 480 is 200€. I highly doubt that Nividia will make the GTX 1060 a 200€ card since that would leave a too large between it and the 1070.

Most likely the GTX 1060 will be a 350€ card and the GTX 1050 a 200€ card.

>>55023419
>performed worse than the 380
No

>>55023591
No they target AMD, and then port in support for Nvidia.

NVIDIA ALREADY WON

GTX 1080 & GTX 1070 SMASH HIT SUCCESS IN SALES, HEAVILY PRAISED IN ALL REVIEWS

>>55023583
For the price, the 960 was a pile of dog shit. AMD's cards (plural) in its price bracket shitted all over it in every metric other than power draw. The only reason why it sold as well as it did is because of brand recognition.

>>55023603
I honestly have no idea if you're fucking with me or not, but devs targetting PC target Nvidia. What they target for consoles is irrelevant in this discussion because you can't change a console's GPU.

>>55023534
This. This is an nvidia board. AMD cucks get the fuck out.

>>55023554
>awesome Nvidia marketing team
I don't think their marketing is that good. They lifted the NDA on the "founders edition" cards long before the NDA on the aftermarket cards, so everyone thinks these cards are housefires now even though they really aren't. Putting so much emphasis on the FE cards was retarded from a marketing standpoint.

>>55023595
>I highly doubt that Nividia will make the GTX 1060 a 200€ card since that would leave a too large between it and the 1070.
There was a leak suggesting a 1060 and a 1060 ti will come out.

>>55023623
Literally all games are made to work with AMD first and foremost, because AMD is GPU of both the PS4 and the Xbox One.

Then after AMD is working, they make the PC port which works with Nvidia.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb.223290/page-3#post-3471530

>AMD RX480 has no more DVI
>TPU's admin & GPU-Z's programmer confirms Poolaris doesn't support DVI at all, not even in the partner cards

>Make AYYMDPOORFAGS card without DVI when all the AYYMDPOORFAGS use a DVI monitor because thats all they can afford
>AYYMDPOORFAGS have to buy new DP monitor, raising the costs above Nvidia cards in the end

AYY
Y
Y

>>55023658
alright you're just fucking with me cool

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>>55023658
Fuckin laffin mate good one.

AMD sponsored games with splash screens still run better on Nvidia.

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If i have 2 strix 980tis (overclocked manually using hardocp) would i need to upgrade soon or should i wait for the cards coming out after pascal

>>55023635
The average working stiff doesn't know anything about that. The only people who even know about the latest Nvidia shenanigans or the other underhanded shit that they've done, are tech nerds. Joe Average is just going to ask the sales rep "which card is the best?", and he'll be told that Nvidia makes the fastest cards. Joe will then look at the boxes and pick the one within his price range that says Nvidia on it. It's sad, but this is really how most consumers go about their purchases. Sure, the eggheads in Nvidias R&D came up with the chips, but it's their marketing team that pushes them into people's eyes. How elae would you explain Nvidia outselling their competition even when AMD/ATi has held the performance crown, and/or has been a better value?

>>55023721
you need to upgrade when you're no longer happy with the performance of your current setup

>>55023705
>>55023672
Nvidiots can't handle the truth.

>>55023722
>AMD
>Good let alone the best
>Ever

>>55023734
Fuck you Anonymous, this is the last time I fall for your stupid tricks. 99% of this thread is you anyway, so I'm just gonna filter you and close this tab so I never have to read your stupid shit again.

>>55023722
Yeah it's the classic "this is more popular, therefore it's better" fallacy.

AMD has been beating Nvidia in price/performance for a long time now, and the 480 will only solidify that position.

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>>55023734

>>55023757
Bullshit

>>55023755
Sounds good to me.

>>55023760
where's the 390/390x/Fury in that chart?

>>55023766
Hes right if you only look at floating point.

Nobody uses that though.

>>55023760
Not sure what you're trying to show here. Can you please post some benchmarks from the last century?

>>55023788
>Not sure what you're trying to show here.
AMD drivers being so shit that it doesn't matter if its an AMD game or not.

>>55023784
No, nvidia is the card professional gamers use. AMD doesn't even have drivers.

>>55023722
I forgot to add to this post that Nvidia's marketing team is also why most of te review sites are heavily biased towards their products. Anyone who isn't a rabid fanboi can see that although impartial reviews seem to be almost nonexistent, most of them are tilted to the green side even when they objectively shouldn't be. Even the most popular game streamers are obviously being paid to shill for Nvidia. All of that creates an image of Nvidia superiority, whether it's justified or not, and this can all be credited to their marketing team. Even the most die hard AMD fanboi should be able to see that, even if they won't admit it.

>>55023760
>two-generations old budget model nvidia card performing better than AMD's then-flagship
you can't make this shit up

>>55023813
Because AMD is for cucks and poorfags. They're the cancer killing /g/.

>>55023741
Good goy. Swallow all of that chink sperm.

>>55023813
too bad nvidia cards have stuttering problems out the ass in infinite. i'd rather take AMD's smooth ride with modern drivers than play it again with an nvidia card.

>>55023840
There are no drivers for AMD

>>55023840
the min fps on that budget nvidia card is twice as high as on the amd flagship

Never experienced stuttering with sli maybe its cause i have gsync but still

>>55023853
it's called crimson you meme loving fuck.

>>55023862
Enjoy your cucked performance. On nvidia, I always play the game it was meant to be played.

>>55023862
isn't crimson that thing that bricked a shitload of cards because it forgot to turn on the fans on the cards?

>>55023795
Where is the 970? Where is the 390?

This is some ancient benchmark, post something relevant.

>>55023875
No Crimson is the driver revision where they just swapped out all instances of the word catalyst and fixed a decade old mouse cursor corruption bug and then told everyone that they have good drivers now.

PR stunt. Literally nothing changed.

>>55023899
>post something relevant
What like some DX12 game that nobody plays that ignores any card older than 3 months and drops support for any OS older than a year?

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>>55023854
you're delusional if you think that if you were to remake the benchmark with modern cards that you'd get similar results. also lets ignore that nvidia cards suffer from stuttering issues with the new DX11 features, namely the lighting that nvidia cards run terribly.

>>55023904
yeah but it's also the thing that bricked cards
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3009688/components/amd-pushing-crimson-driver-fan-speed-hotfix-after-reports-of-overheating-radeon-cards.html

>>55023916
I was thinking more along the lines of showing how the 390 beats the 970 in every single game at the same price point.

But that would be a little too inconvenient for your narrative.

>>55023929
>if they were to remake the benchmark
they did, the 390 gets slightly higher results than the 980

>>55023944
Not inconvenient at all, and it isn't a narrative, no support is the reason AMD has shit market share, it has nothing to do with marketing.

>>55023995
AMD performs better than Nvidia and has lower prices, yet they sell less and you think it has nothing to do with marketing?

OK buddy.

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>>55023721
at this point a single 750ti is way more powerful than your setup. if i was you I'd burn my setup under an effigy of satan while screaming at 3am outdoors. But hey; that's just me.

>>55023952
That's crazy considering the 980 costs $200 more.

>>55024024
>AMD performs better than Nvidia and has lower prices

AMD's fastest card is $650 dollars.
An Nvidia card that will b(it)tfo costs $450.

Also if you take into account support across a wide array of titles in which AMD has problems Nvidia is a better value even at the same performance and price level.

>>55023501
>And the 960 is 75% of the 970.

Its 60% at MOST.
$200 price tag usually come with a mere 2gb of memory.

>>55024084
>Also if you take into account support across a wide array of titles in which AMD has problems

Which is part of their marketing strategy.

>>55023595
480 will be 300€

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>>55023284

>>55023721
You need to upgrade right now to a 1080. Yachts dont buy themselves for nvidia execs and the marketing team is looking to fill an olympic pool with cash to swim in it scrooge mcduck style.

>>55024165
no, the 8gb version is already listed at 260€

>>55023931
There was a whole lot of published articles but not a single provably destroyed GPU from that "fiasco"

It would have been beyond a major screwup for a driver install to go in and not only rewrite a GPU's BIOS but also remove physical switches that prevent destruction from overheating.
So far beyond that it's impossible to have happened at all.

I'll say this - Nvidia really shells out the big money for online presence. You cockroaches are fucking everywhere.

>>55022308
What they should do is cut prices and rely on brand recognition.

>>55024151
If you go through the dev forums on Steam you will see that a common trend a few years back would be that developers would run a game on AMD's opengl stack and shit wouldn't work, they would contact AMD and AMD wouldn't fix it. So they either used workarounds, making the AMD version of the game SLOWER or they just didn't fix it at all and AMD users either played a buggy game or MAYBE got a fix months later if it was a popular enough game.

It was a lack of support, it had nothing to do with Nvidia.

>>55024187
Where?

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>>55024208

>>55024208
don't have the link of the pic but was from the internal software of some shop warehouse. Maybe it was posted on reddit.

>>55024187
listed where? please post a link as im very sure no price has been set the the 8gb (the 4gb has) and all prices are press speculation.
Im calling bollocks on that till you do

>>55024084
Let's not talk about cards that are barely even available yet.

If you look at what you can actually buy, AMD destroys Nvidia in price/performance.

>>55024112
>a mere 2gb of memory

If you look at actual benchmarks, the 2gb to 4gb makes almost zero difference at 1080p.

Easily, they release a card let's say the 1060 with the same price performance ratio than the Rx 480.

>>55024221
That makes it $300 . So wheres this "its going to cost $240 for the 8gb"??????
What site is that from? pic means nothing

>>55024244
2GB card owner here, it DOES make a difference, especially in newer games with huge textures.

>>55024255
It literally doesn't, see this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review

>>55024252
don't mix eu and us prices pls. Different taxes, different customs duties, different market.

>>55024231
>what you can actually buy

I looked up the cards prices and availability like half an hour ago.

AMD is getting literally fucked, the Nvidia card is faster and costs 2/3rds as much.

>>55024271
you looked up the r480 8gb prices?

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>>55024221
Everyday that passes without good leaked benchmarks for the 480 reinforces my suspicion that the performance will not be even close to speculations. It is in AMD's interest to leak benchmarks so people don't get the 1070 and wait for the 480. That they aren't leaking like a teen about to loose his virginity makes me think AMD will fail to deliver again.

>>55024271
Go ahead and try to buy a 1070 for $450, I'll be waiting.

>>55024267
so why is there a dollar sign and price there too then.
Pic means fuck all. Nobody can link the page nor say where it originated from.

>>55024266
it literally does. I can't play some games on higher settings because my vram caps out while my usage hangs at ~70%

>>55024286
they aren't even the same ballpark with price or performance, why someone that want to buy a 1070 will wait for 480 benchmarks....

>>55024315
Yeah they aren't even in the same league.

>>55024286
>It is in AMD's interest to leak benchmarks so people don't get the 1070 and wait for the 480

People who are willing to pay for the FE price won't be interested on buying anything from the other side of the pond.
AIB GTX 1070 won't be available till end of this month, which is around the same time GTX 480 release date.

Also, reviewers should be getting these card for reviews by now, you can expect reliable leaks in the upcoming days.

>>55024266
2GB for 1080p as a standard is going on 4+ years now

Consoles are allocating >4GB of VRAM for assets at 1080/900p. The mainstream needs to catch up, and 4GB is the new necessary standard.

>>55024314
You will see at most a 5fps difference at the very highest settings between 2gb and 4gb.

>>55024170
What "argument" was he even responding to in the first place? I said people who type out "m$" are fedora tippers and pointed out that Nvidia has tons of customers. Half of what he responded to literally wasn't an argument.

>>55022634
Mac is an incredibly small percentage of the market. Most laptops sold are cheap shit usually running an Intel celeron

>>55024353
>no your first hand experience is wrong!
when my vram caps I drop from 70+ fps to 5 fps, that's not a 5 gps difference.

>>55024353
Thats a load of bollocks.
Most games in the past 18 months (aaa ones) use over 2gb on high settings,
That card is extinct

>>55024266
>Skyrim HD textures rape my 2G card.
Maybe they should test relevant shit.

>>55024266
>>55024353
Not enough VRAM causes stuttering, which is very apparent. You're wrong.

>>55024374
Sorry but you must have something very wrong with your configuration if that is happening.

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>>55024292
Not that guy, but here is my receipt. Well the parts that don't have my address and stuff on it!

>>55024375
You realize RAM is used for caching?

Even if you max out your RAM, the game runs fine, it just swaps out what it needs and what it doesn't.

Again, please read this article and see how wrong you are: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review

>>55024266
>read article
>2GB suffer from stuttering

Read the goddam article first before you post it faggot.

>>55024392
ok whatever you say, come back when you have something that's not artifical benchmarks on a card I don't even own

>>55024413
Those aren't artificial benchmarks.

>>55024407
>At 1440p, the advantages of 4GB of RAM are more pronounced, with even more stutter on the 2GB R9 380 compared to its 4GB counterpart.
>The GTX 960 2GB isn't quite as badly affected as its AMD counterpart, but it is clearly still reaching VRAM limits, with more sustained performance with a 4GB framebuffer.

>>55024407
see what anon put >>55024409

and read http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/365827-33-what-vram

>>55024423
A game engine that demanding that isn't shit will precache textures it needs.

>>55024423
Look at the actual numbers.

It's funny because the 2GB card actually beats the 4GB card in many benchmarks.

>>55024409
Somebody can't handle the truth, look at the actual numbers.

>>55024413
If you're dropping to 5 fps you're probably also maxing out your system ram. I run a lot of games over the my gpus 2gb limit and the games run fine.

>>55024455
Yeah because they are from different vendors and are set to different clock rates, with the 2GB MSI version clocked a little faster

You didnt even read the article you posted as proof,
You're a fucking idiot.

>>55024439
>linking to some random forum post

I really hope you aren't serious.

>>55024472
Of course and that proves the point that VRAM makes almost zero difference, it's all about clock speed.

>>55024475
Yeah because toms hardware is some random forum in comparison to an atricle on a card.

Try better.
Also the 960 is a bag of shit so I really do feel sorry for anyone who has one

>>55024495
You linked to a random forum post with zero benchmarks, while I show an article that has actual data.

>>55024490
You were the one trying to make a direct comparison by saying 2GB is faster than 4GB in 1080p, after having said that it makes no difference.

You're a fucking idiot, you can't even stick to the same story.
They pay you way too much, whatever it is, to do this.

>>55024507
Sorry you can't handle the truth.

The RX 480 will fail because there is simply no target audience for it.

>It's too slow for gamers who mostly already own a GTX 970 or better
>Doesn't have CUDA which is required for all professional applications
>It runs hotter than Nvidia cards
>It's louder than Nvidia cards

>>55024403
That's the expensive early supporter version to, the full release is supposedly cheaper.

>>55024503
Yet it answers the question what happens when vram runs out.
Its there plain to see.
The atricle you posted, are they using the same cards? what settings are the games to? if they were different make cards then its floored.

>>55024511
480 is a decent upgrade to the 970 if you can sell your 970 for at least $250.

>>55024539
It doesn't answer anything, the article shows exactly what happens but you seem to like to ignore the facts.

>>55024543
you really think a 2nd hand 970 will sell for $250
Knock about $150 off that.

>>55024549
So those who posted "it slows down the framerate", this doesnt happen?
Plus the 960 if you try to run any new game on high settings the fps will be so low its not worth it

>>55024550
They are selling for that on eBay right now, but you better sell it quick because they are going down steeply.

>>55023534
>Nvidia is for retards and teenagers, AMD is for people who know what they're doing

FTFY

>>55024561
>So those who posted "it slows down the framerate", this doesnt happen?

People who say that haven't tested the 2gb vs 4gb, they just blame it on the VRAM because they're ignorant.

960 shouldn't be run on high settings, I would probably do more medium at 1080p, maybe even lower if you want 60fps all the time.

>>55024564
I might keep mine, only cost me £199 back in 2014. Its good backup in case my 1080 has problems.

I wonder if the 490x will be under 200w

>>55023553
Threadly reminder that Kyle is a butthurt faggot who should off himself.

>>55024511
that
enjoy your housefires
/thread

>>55024592
And dx12 lets you use two GPUs without crossfire, so you could technically keep the 970 installed and only use it in dx12 games for a performance boost to the 1080. Although Ashes of the Singularity is like the only game that supports that so far.

>>55024636
>crossfire
Jesus Christ I meant SLI.

>>55024185
Jumping into a pool of cash has the same effect as jumping into a poof of frozen water.

I quite want to see them try, desu..

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>>55022308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ITA1_XoqM

only an idiot would fall for AMD's shady marketing schemes

>>55024543
Kek, 970 to 480 is a downgrade, idiot.

>>55024674
970 is only 3.5gb and its fucking awful, stop being mad because you're stuck with your shitty card.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1888-evga-supersc-4gb-960-benchmark-vs-2gb?showall=1

>>55024511
Holy shit do you think everyone brainlessly buys a new graphics card every year?
There are a lot of people with 3 year old cards and a budget of 250$ and that is the target audience.
Jesus Christ you are fucking clueless.

>>55024687
actually its 3.5gb + 0.5 so technically you are wrong

>>55024701
i have a 7970 with a custom cooler overclocked as fuck and is more than 3y old. Didn't upgrade until now. And i'm waiting to see if they make a 480x.

>>55024687
If the 970 is awful then that makes the 480 even more awful.
Here's a homework assignment for you:
Find out what AMD cards also performs better than a titan X, in Ashes, when two are combined, in DX12 mode
Protip: It's called the 380X

The 480 has the same performance as the 380X

>>55024674
770 is garbage now

your card will be garbage too ~6 months after 1070's release

>>55023598
Prove otherwise, I've seen several benchmarks where it was behind and at most it matched it within +-2FPS.

>>55024701
>calling people brainless for buying new things with money they worked for.
>is poor so cant buy good things.

>>55024722
You do realise the titan cards were a joke and everyone knows theyre a pile of poo.
Also once the 480 super duper card is released we can all laugh at the results when its tried on proper games and not one designed for AMD cards.

>>55024724
>my card
Did you quote the wrong post

>>55023180
>愛してる
>not 愛している
It's like you want to sound illiterate, stupid tripfag

>>55024783
The titan cards are poo and AMD's official inflated benchmarks show it losing by a factor of about 60%.
60% as good as poo.
You should realise how good AMD cards do in dx12 mode, and how well dual card setups scale.
Something to also keep in mind is that the dual card efficiency in Ashes DX12 is 1.63 (IE 2 cards = 162% performance) but AMD quotes that the 480 as a Ashes DX12 performance of 1.82.
IE, the 480 is priced at $200 because no-one would pay any more for that piece of shit.

The power efficiency is nice though. Really.

>>55024754
Rich people don't get rich by wasting money.
And that's beside the point in any case, you claimed there was no target audience for the RX480.
Check the steam hardware survey, all those R9 280, GTX750ti, GTX660 etc. users are potential upgrade candidates.
You seem to be stuck in a mindset where 90% of gamers buy a flagship GPU each year rather than the majority upgrading from and to a midrange card every few years.
Regarding housefire and jet engine memes, who gives an actual fuck about reference cards?
It is well known those are shit irrespective of whether it's an AMD or Nvidia card.
And to claim the RX480 won't succeed in the professional segment is no wrong but really doesn't show anything.
Your post was pure trash.

>>55024855
>Rich people don't get rich by wasting money.

this is why no one buys amd shit made for poorfaggots to waste their money on

>>55024855
where did I claim there is no target audience for the 480? please point that out.
and no I bought a 970 in 2014. 2years later I buy a 1080, I feel thats fine going from a mid card to the high end.
Also again please show where I said the 480 wont succeed in the pro segment.
You making out I said these thing but I didnt so you are delusional & very mistaken

>>55024674
You do have to realize that AMD GPU's have no drivers at day one and take 2-3 years of driver updates for drivers to take advantage of the capabilities of the card.

>>55024901
970 to 1080
You enjoy taking it up the ass right?

>>55024084
filtered

>>55024901
>where did I claim there is no target audience for the 480? please point that out.

ok:
>>55024511
literally:
"The RX 480 will fail because there is simply no target audience for it."

If that post wasn't you then I apologise but why would argue in defense of a moron?

Disappointing to hear AMD still have bad drivers. It's the reason why I haven't had a card of theirs since AGP. I'm on a 760 right now and I'm just itching to upgrade.

>>55024909
This doesn't change the fact that the 480 performs as well as the 380X.
You're basically scraping around for excuses, and since I compared AMD card to AMD card your criticism falls massively short.
The 380X will ALSO improve over time, you nonce.

>>55024951
I didnt type that though thats someone else.

>>55024928
No just enjoy playing games and have disposable income.

>>55024960
They do not have bad drivers. This is a meme that has very little basis in reality.
If you want bad drivers, try 'we brick a generation of cards every year' nvidia. Nvidia regularly releases drivers that physically breaks their user's cards, and those drivers are called good.

>>55022308

Why retaliate? The 980 gtx beats the poolaris and the prices of it will go down in a few weeks.

Winners win, losers lose.

>>55022353
>upper mainstream cards
You daft cunt

>>55025032
The 1070 and 1080 are bought by the mainstream. This is why they are sold out everywhere.

>>55025003
The 480 is a mid card you dipshit. A $200 losing to a $600 one?

>>55022308
> Should Nvidia file for bankruptcy OR sell out to M$ like Nokia did?
Probably NV should hire more 'PR people' to deal with AMD shills.

what's the loonix situation on Nvidia vs AMD these days? I only use intel integrated stuff.

>>55025072

the gtx 980 is like a 500$ card, but used you can buy it even for 300$. Why bother buying a 200$ polaris if it's going to be shit?

>>55025113
price/watt
price/performance
performance/watt

>>55025000
>Calls AMD bad drivers a meme
>Uses the nvidia le gimped drivers meme in the next sentence

>>55025063
try harder

>>55025072
480 is mainstream.

>>55025133
He wasn't talking about drivers that GIMP cards, he was talking about the ones that DESTROY them. As in, physically damage the hardware. Which Nvidia has put out repeatedly.

>>55023760
>>55023813
>>55023795
>>55023899

It's bait. This is a benchmark of Bioshock Infinite *on Linux*. It isn't representative of how they ought to perform if the drivers weren't dogshit (which you can see on Windows benchmarks).

Maybe they'll get better with this new AMDGPU shit, maybe not -- I don't know. There's a lot of promise but hard to say whether it will deliver.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=bioshock-nvamd-preview&num=3

>/g/ doesn't recognize Phoronix in the year of our lord 2016

>>55022498
AMDSHILLS BTFO

>>55023494
by that logic why do you own a computer, shouldn't it cost several trillion dollars because its so much better than what we had in the 80's let alone just 10 years ago.

the price of tech shouldn't go up for no reason.

"it performs better"
its also fucking small as fuck

look at intel, they went through what 3 die shrinks sense sandy and the i7 has only gone up in price despite smaller and smaller chips.

>>55023899
Here is something relevant:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-gtx-1080&num=2

But it's only relevant iff you care about graphics performance __on Linux__. It doesn't say anything about on Windows because AMD Linux drivers are in a permanent state of being crap compared to their Windows counterparts.

>>55025113
buying used cards is a fucking horrible idea

>>55024348
most games are pushing passed 2gb of ram and even some pushing passed 4gb.

my computer ususes around 1gb of vram just for fucking background applications and a web browser, if the 480 is decent at dx11 ill be getting an 8gb version just to alleviate this bottleneck.

>>55024308
>Pic means fuck all. Nobody can link the page nor say where it originated from.

220 euro comes to around 250$
i'm assuming that this is just telling us price based on euro.

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>>55025113
>>55025072

>>55023775
second this

>>55024855
I use a 660 and I am a potential upgrade candidate

>>55023931
>>55023904
didn't kill cards, did fuck with fans on oc cards when you used 3rd party software

did not fix the mouse glitch, i still get that shit constantly, but it did make the glitch non permanent so i don't have to restart to get the mouse back to normal.

>>55025371
Pretty gud desu

490 when?

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NICE UPGRADE NVIDIATARD!!

>>55025543
>comparing the 980ti to the 1080 instead of the 1080ti
AMDrones are this desperate.

>>55025571
> top card to the top card
Nothing wrong here.

>>55024855
I care about reference, if i get it i mat be able to help cool my computer a bit better at the expense of having a bit hotter gpu... im ok with that.

>>55025601
Why do I still bother I have no idea.

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>>55025627
HURR STOP COMPARING OLD CARD TO NEWER MORE EXPENSIVE CARD FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER

YOU HAVE TO COMPARE THE OLD CARD TO A CARD THAT COSTS 1100BUCKS AND DOESNT EXIST YETTT WAAH WAHAHH


nvidia cucks kill yourselves

>>55025611
Just get a case with better airflow.

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>>55025601
>>55025658
Shitposters, everyone.

>>55024657
With the way nvidiots throw money at them its 100 dollar bills.

Come on nvidiots....stop posting on here and go buy another Ipho...i mean gtx 1080.

>>55025571
1080 - 700$
980ti - 630$ new at same clock speed as the kingpin (no user oc silicon lottery)

this 630$ card beats out the 700

now, this is beating that 1080 by 20%

now, would you pay for a an extra 10% for a card that is 20% more powerful then the msrp (non founder) card? or would you go for the weaker card?
would you play the silicon lottery with the 980ti? the card can be had for 490$ new, you may get the same clock speed, you may not, but odds are you could match a 600$ card for 490$

so explain to me, because maybe i'm to stupid, why cant you compare a 980ti to a 1080?

>>55025781
>Come on nvidiots....stop posting on here and go buy another Ipho...i mean gtx 1080.
Ironic, considering former Apple employees are responsible for Zen and Polaris. Raja Koduri probably uses an iPhone because he worked on the retina stuff.

>>55025749
I am, but I don't want to move my current computer to a new case, building a new computer, hopefully zen based, when the zen comes out, getting a horizontal case then.

but i never got burned by blowers yet, never had to much of an issue with noise, and depending on how cool the card runs, this could just act as a secondary vent out the back.

>>55025818
>so explain to me, because maybe i'm to stupid, why cant you compare a 980ti to a 1080?
Because clock speeds aren't everything. See >>55025763
Synthetic benchmarks mean fuck all.

>>55025763
>HOW FUCKING DARE YOU COMPARE STOCK AMD TO STOCK NVIDIA

>HOW FUCKING DARE YOU COMPARE OC NVIDIA TO OC NVIDIA

founders edition has throttling issues, its the only edition out, so yea... founders throttles to base and lower in some games, meanwhile 980ti can comfortably sit at a 20-30% oc and not sweat.

>>55025848
Fair enough, I guess everyone's noise tolerance is different.
My reference 560ti, admittedly not a blower, sucked ass and I replaced the heatsink with a fat triple slot Arctic Cooling one after two weeks.

>>55025885
The throttling is a meme. You could just as accurately say it doesn't boost it's clock as much, because the screenshot that gets posted over and over again to prove this still shows the card at boost clock. This is the point of GPU boost 3, to adjust the clock speed based on temperature. The 980ti still does the same thing, just at higher temps because it isn't as power efficient.

>>55024084
And which cards are these specifically?
kill yourself.

>>55025371
so, it will cost same price as a gtx 980, but it will perform worse.

good job amd, good job

>>55025942
980@200$ ?
are you smoking? If yes please share details. Never had stuff this good.

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>>55023534
>alpha males who love games
>alpha males
>games

>>55025984
>implying it will cost $200 idiot. 300-350 at least

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>>55026079

>>55026104
i like that colour in the gif, what are you telling me? to go green?

Amd is taking the low end segment first because their high end cards cant compete and they need time to fix that

>>55026192
or maybe because they want to use hbm2 and there isn't an high volume manufacturer yet....

>>55023760
Just ran the benchmark on my R9 390

Scene Duration (seconds), Average FPS, Min FPS, Max FPS, Scene Name

81.62, 133.82, 31.67, 292.79, Overall

God dammit, why don't Nvidia make dual gpu x90 cards anymore? One time I hacked my gpu drivers and got 8-way SLI with 4 GTX 590s, shit oculd run Crysis.

>>55026497
What was your monthly power bill?

>>55026497
SLi doesn't perform all that well compared to crossfire anyway, so they probably figured it wasn't worth it.

>>55024974
You imbecile, it was in a positive light.
With the performance the 480 has now and more coming in the following years thanks to drivers you realize how much of a bargain it is?

I am selling ym GTX 960 and holding off on upgrading my CPU to buy the 480 8gb since I know it wil tide me over for a damn long time.

>>55022308
they will "retaliate" by gimping their older cards BECAUSE THEY HAVE 70% MARKET SHARE

the 770 is already losing to the 950 even though its specs are faaaar better

i'm planning to buy either 1070 or RX 480 but i don't know if my CPU is good enough.

I got i5-3570K 3.40GHz, but from what i've seen ,better is not really needed. Is that true?

>>55022634
Oh you sure know your shit. But you don't know that Apple never makes long term contracts with external hardware makers and only chose AMD because they were willing to bend over and get raped financially much more than nvidia. Apple puts the cheapest shit into their devices they can, and nvidia seems to not need the $3,50 per card they would earn per Apple device

>>55026626
Your CPU is 100% fine.

>>55026626
Short answer: It's fine.
Long answer: It depends on the games you play/software you use, your preferred detail settings and your monitor.

How long until we see aftermarket 1070/1080's not being out of stock all the time? My card died thursday so I'm kind of considering just getting a reference instead of aftermarket and I'm wondering if the wait for aftermarket would be worth it.

>>55026789
>>55026802

Thanks anons. I was just worried because i have it for a relatively long time already

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>>55023658
Are you having a fucking giggle m8?

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>>55023722
>AMD/ATi has held the performance crown

This has literally never been the case even once for the past 5 years.

>>55024373
Macs pretty much dominate the high end market

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>>55024674
>Kek, 970 to 480 is a downgrade, idiot.

970 is getting gimped by drivers from now on. We can already see this; it used to be between 390x and Fury but now it doesn't even reach the 390. This is on top of the fake vram issue.

>>55027076
7970 held the title for a few months before 600-series came out, and then against with the GHz edition until 700-series came out.

>>55027076
Pro Duo > Titan X

>>55024244
>>55024266
just stop posting

>>55027076
>This has literally never been the case even once for the past 5 years.

5870 held it for almost a year in the high end, and even when the 480 finally came out, it was 10% faster for 50% markup and 50% higher temps and power usage.

7k series sort of had the crown but you had to overclock them. Actually if you use them with current drivers, they completely destroy all other NVidia cards from the era.

And in mid-range they ALWAYS held the crown.

>>55023665
A converter is like $13. If you can buy a 480 you can buy a converter with all that most you saved.

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kek

>>55024252
>>55024308
It's from one of the EU warehouses website where retailers order stock from.

>>55027265
It wouldn't surprise me if AMD included a HDMI-DVI adapter.
I remember my old nvidia card hat something like that as well.

490x when?

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>>55023625

>>55023665
>poorfags use dvi instead of hdmi to their tv

Fag

>>55022389

what's wrong with the 950? it's nearly 2x the performance of the 750ti in the same power envelope.

>>55027637
The fuck are you smoking, it's not even CLOSE to twice the performance.

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>>55027119
>; it used to be between 390x and Fury but now it doesn't even reach the 390.

>>55023595

there will probably be a 1060ti that's 30-40% faster for $100 more than the 480, and a 1060 that's roughly equal for similar pricing

also >using FE pricing

the 1070 is $380, not $500.

>>55023722
>How elae would you explain Nvidia outselling their competition even when AMD/ATi has held the performance crown, and/or has been a better value?

because AMD is neither better performing nor is it a better value.

AMD literally has not released a GPU that wasn't a flop or a housefire since 2009.

>>55027690
I don't count those results until they bring out the Vulkan patch.

>>55027772
Except that's wrong and you have to be literally retarded to believe it, so just kill yourself.

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>>55027119

i wouldn't put much trust into TPU's graphs, they're using reference nvidia cards vs those factory OCed rebrands.

even just raising the power limit on the 970 is enough for a 20-30% performance boost.

>>55024822
it's a contraction you idiot they're both correct
>heh I just started learning moonrunes and now I'll show off on 4chan

>>55027809
>Except that's wrong and you have to be literally retarded to believe it, so just kill yourself.

[citation needed]

AMD has not been a better value than NVIDIA for years now, even today you can get a 970 for $250 and it will outperform every AMD GPU in the equivalent price range (280x, 380, 380x, 390). It will even trade blows with the 390x, a $500 GPU that draws twice the power.

>>55027925
Only because so many games are gimped to work better with Nvidia.

>>55028029

>gimping meme

NVIDIA isn't out to get you, nigger. The fault of poorly performing GPUs rests solely on AMD.

>>55022429
You dont seem to understand the fact that the success of the first Maxwell chip was technical; its still the most power efficient consumer gpu on the market, with decent enough performance for 90% of users without extra pcie powerlane needed (unfortunately, some pcb makers decided to use extra pcie connectors, without a real need).

>>55028059
and who's fault is that?
>Nvidia "We own the patents to this particular technology. You are not allowed to copy it"
Therefore AMD have to make something that runs the software with different hardware entirely that is not as optimized to Nvidia's DX11 dominance.

Fucking corporations man.

>>55028129
>runs the software with different hardware entirely

considering GCN is a straight ripoff of NVIDIA's tesla architecture, I don't think patents are what is holding them back.

When are we going to see aftermarket 1070/1080s hitting the market?

>>55028168
DX11 and earlier have always been biased towards Nvidia's architecture therefore AMD has always had to use brute force hardware computation to compete. It's only DX12 that has evened up the playing field. AMD could beat Nvidia but the costs of the hardware would not make it feasible in the consumer marketplace. Nvidia got there first so stake claims to various technology patents that were already embedded when DirectX was in it's fledgeling stage. AMD came along later and had to work with what it had.

>>55028231
BTW I've been around since OpenGL Voodoo and Matrox GPU's so have watched this unfold for many years now.

>>55028231
>DX11 and earlier have always been biased towards Nvidia's architecture therefore AMD has always had to use brute force hardware computation to compete.

no it isn't. in fact, AMD used to have an architecture that destroyed NVIDIA in gaming performance. GCN was designed primarily because AMD was worried about GPGPU eclipsing the gaming market (and because terascale was garbage for GPGPU in general).

> AMD could beat Nvidia but the costs of the hardware would not make it feasible in the consumer marketplace.

They used to do it just fine. Look at cards like the 4870, 5870 and 6970. They were half the die area of their NVIDIA equivlent GPUs for same or better performance in >muh gaymes.

>Nvidia got there first so stake claims to various technology patents that were already embedded when DirectX was in it's fledgeling stage.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that NVIDIA has anything to do with DX besides providing an implementation of it in their drivers. directx is a graphics api designed by microsoft, anyone can write their own implementation against it (some people even made one for mesa).

Nvidia is the best

>>55028231
>DX11 and earlier have always been biased towards Nvidia's architecture

Bullshit. R300 demolished FX5000 cards in DX9, same with R600 and 8000/9000/200 cards in DX10 and DX11 with Evergreen.

>>55022308
Simple answer:
If you're a poorfag and don't care about graphics, choose AMD. If you're not a poorfag and enjoy maximum graphics choose NVIDIA

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>amd

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2 new leaks posted at OCN

http://www.overclock.net/t/1602741/chiphell-msi-480
(primary source: https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1601437-1-1.html )

and

http://www.overclock.net/t/1602745/pctuning-radeon-rx-480-on-the-way-to-the-office-and-we-signed-no-nda
(primary source: http://pctuning.tyden.cz/component/content/article/1-aktualni-zpravy/41353-radeon-rx480-na-ceste-do-redakce)

let's cut to the chase
which will be best at letting me fuck my waifu

>>55028560
GTX 1070 or the 1080 if you are rich. If you are talking about VR, the gtx should be the best, since the gpu needs to render the same image at 90+ fps.

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Why buy from a company thats going bankrupt within 2 years?
Basically the choice is to pay extra for Nvidia quality, or save money with AMD Pooinloo tech and lose support conpletely once that shitty company goes defunct

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>>55023276
>inb4; vega drops the 1080 ti to it's knees for less
The crimson drivers are fucking top. I honestly had more problems with nvidia drivers for my 680 then my 390.

>>55028560
>>55028606
anything less than 8 Titan X's in SLI will make you're waifu hates you. Whoever she may be.

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>>55023625
>fan boying
>not wanting competition
>being loyal to a company brand
gtfo you child. Go back to flamming xbox vs ps you cancerous faggot.
Off yourself before your cancer spreads to others.

There's literally nothing AMD can do to recover. R9 390 is better than the 970 and still can't compare in sells.

People will just keep buying Nvidia, AMD will keep fucking with the drivers, games will keep catering to Nvidia first because it's more popular and you don't want your game fucking up on the card everyone has. It's all a vicious circle

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>>55023809
>Implying
>Not realizing a 390 > 980 because of new crimson drivers
The child shilldiers.

>>55028686
>There's literally nothing AMD can do to recover. R9 390 is better than the 970 and still can't compare in sells.
Few weeks ago a friend wanted to build a computer and he had the budget for a GTX 970 or a R9 390.
All my friends (that doesn't look at benchmarks and only look at the GPU price to judge the quality), said that the nvidia GPU was better, and you should go for nvidia if you want the "expertise".
I decided to take some benchmark and show them they were wrong. They immediatly told me that it doesn't really matter since I was comparing to GPU that doesn't cost the same price (GTX 970 was 340€ while the R9 390 was 365€)

Nvidia is the apple of the GPU. They sell their GPU with a bad price / performance and people will just buy them because of the "expertise"

>>55028553
There is no way that lightening card is a 480. I've heard there is no hardware support for DVI, it has an 8 pin power connector (wtf, I don't believe for one second that it will overclock that well), and it looks for all the world like the old 290 lightening.

>>55027925
The cheapest new 970 on newegg is $285 (zotac)

The cheapest new 390 is $260 (gigabyte)

The cheapest new 390x is $339 (msi)

>>55029129

burgerfat)))

we dont charge so much in the first world

>>55027890
Contractions are used in speech, not writing.

>>55029640
What magical country do you live in that the prices are cheaper than america?