Net Neutrality is dead

>>54969475
When trump realises what he's doing to the internet, he will most likely stop.

Hillary on the other hand... Not sure about her.

Kill them both?

>>54969501
lol

>>54969501
>When trump realises what he's doing to the internet
He's doing nothing. The worst thing he said is taking the middle east offline.

>>54969536
I hope he does, with ICBMs

>implying either will be president

>>54969536

Iraq regularly takes its country's internet offline, so this wouldn't be an unusual step. Carter also banned all Muslim immigrants. And Obama deliberately assassinated Al-Awlaki's teenage, American son.

The things that Trump pushes for have been US policy for years. It's just that "polite society" deems it inappropriate to explicitly advocate those policies.

>>54969475
Net neutrality is literally a garbage bill. It's only being supported by companies like Google and Netflix because they want to shunt the costs of their data down to consumers instead of paying for it in their own. I am legitimately glad that both of them will get rid of it.

>>54969631

>those people over there should all die because I don't agree with them

You're no better than the terrorists you loathe.

Trump is going to be president.
He won't do anything to harm your ability to shitpost in private.

MAGA

>>54969658
Exactly. People act like he wants to shut down the Internet or something equally retarded. Then again /g/ is filled with idiots who read headlines and think that makes them informed.

>>54969668
No him but do you even know how war works? ISIS has declared war on the US and western civilization in general. Grow up.

>>54969663
I hear conservatives shill this a lot. They may have a point - taking the power of internet censorship away from the gov't and into private company hands.

>>54969525
the classic libby reaction

>>54969668
It is more like
>those people over there should all die because they are a burden to the world

lol Trump is going to win

Roughly half the Dem party supports Sanders, and half of those people flat out refuse to vote for Clinton. That means we're going to see two possibilities:

>A repeat of the 1992 election, where a third party gets ~20% of the vote. In 1992, Perot took votes away from Bush Sr. which led to Clinton winning. In 2016, Stein or Sanders as a third party will take away 20% of the vote and Trump will win.
>Half of those Sanders supporters will stay home on election day. Easy win for Trump, since the polls already show that Clinton is insanely unpopular.

>>54969747
>Roughly half the Dem party supports Sanders, and half of those people flat out refuse to vote for Clinton.

source?

>>54969684
Not him, but how does net neutrality fix anything? I'm sure you'd agree things like data caps, traffic shaping, slow speeds, shitty infrastructure are all huge issues right now with Internet in the US, only one of which is affected by net neutrality at all.
People who are for net neutrality are basically saying "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M HIP AND WITH THE TIMES" because they clearly don't understand the larger issue at hand here, which is lack of competition. Instead of making it easier, or even giving fucking incentives for new ISPs to start up, people want MORE regulation. It's insanity.

>>54969670
Let say Hillary is next POTUS.
Goes full on Net-Neu.

Can the people of the US sue/veto, or impeach her in someway?
Wouldn't that fall under the ""violation of public trust"?

>>54969501
MAXIM MU FERAKIGN KEKS

>>54969679

I'm both the author of both posts you responded to, you mongrel.

The terrorist boogie man is a sham. If there's anything the last 15 years has taught us its that we can't approach this problem with a sledgehammer. The policies of the US are the reason that terrorism has spread from the tribal regions of Afghanistan to the entire region.

If you look at both the history of ISIS and Al-Qaeda its easy to see that the US trained and armed these factions during their early years. Even now, ISIS is explicitly funded by country's we are allied with. And the US saw this coming as early as 2012. See pic, which was part of a DIA study on ISIS.

Creating conflict is the name of the game, not fighting terrorism. Hell, there isn't even an objective definition of terrorism, or even a list of who the US believes its fighting.

>>54969724

>there are a few hundred people that don't like us so let's destabilize a country of 30 million and spend trillions fighting them

Great logic.

>>54969638
Are you trying to imply that Libertarian will win?

>>54969747
This election is going to be really interesting.
>trump running as a joke and liberals get super butthurt
>sanders running entirely on hopeful millennials who know nothing about politics
>clinton is unpopular except with people that just vote Democrat because it's been the better choice for them
I'm going to enjoy November

>>54969821
>replying seriously to hurr durr we need to nuke da middle east posts

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>net neutrality
>good

>>54969808
It *might* be a terrible mess actually. I'm not sure if I trust Obama, Clinton, or Trump to not abuse this privilege. It's like socialism of the internet.

Easy solution: implement TOR on a large scale for ALL internet services.

>>54969857
kill the dog

>>54969857
is this the guaca peddler?

>>54969821
This.

Nice to see that my beliefs are confirmed. /g/ is brain dead and unemployed.
Feel the bern kids.

>>54969821
>spend trillions
>not just glassing the place with nukes
baka desu senpai

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>>54969843
I'm going to really enjoy the butthurt and the inevitable conspiracy theories when Clinton wins the election. All the dipshits who get literally all their political knowledge from the /pol/ echo chamber and who honestly believe their internal memes about how the entire country hates Clinton and loves Trump despite hillary maintaining commanding leads on him in the polls for a year. just like they were convinced romney and mccain were going to wipe the floor with obama only to get blown the fuck out. good times ahead.

>>54969821
I mean you're right but Washington doesn't give a shit.

>>54969845
>>54969914

Yeah I know. I guess I hope that that person puts serious thought into their beliefs instead of regurgitating shit they hear their drunk father screaming at the tv.

That "just turn it into a parking lot" mentality is the same mentality that the terrorists have regarding Americans.

>>54969821
>I'm both the author of both posts you responded to, you mongrel.
First off you should learn what the word "mongrel" means, especially in relation to humans. Second your post is already clearly off to a bad start if you think you can't be wrong in one aspect and correct in another. Your two statements are not mutual, so why would I have to agree with you on both of them to not be a "mongrel"?

>The terrorist boogie man is a sham. If there's anything the last 15 years has taught us its that we can't approach this problem with a sledgehammer.
Right, you approach it with a scalpel. Do you know how strong ISIS is in terms of man power? They have less than 50,000 combatants. That's a very small force, especially when you consider they are going to be stretched thin defending their caliphate right now. Unlike Al Queida, most of ISIS is in a well defined area, not scattered all over the middle east in caves and bunkers.

>If you look at both the history of ISIS and Al-Qaeda its easy to see that the US trained and armed these factions during their early years
Irrelevant to the current situation. They are an open threat and they need to be dealt with. It doesn't matter where they got their arms from.

>Even now, ISIS is explicitly funded by country's we are allied with. And the US saw this coming as early as 2012. See pic, which was part of a DIA study on ISIS.
Trump points this out every chance he gets. Are you trying to help his argument here?

>Creating conflict is the name of the game, not fighting terrorism.
The conflict already exists you uninformed dunce. THEY declared WAR on the US, among other countries. They have attacked places like Brussels and taken the lives of both Europeans and Americans. They are a small force, so why not deal with them now instead of waiting years, allowing them to grow into an even more serious threat?

>>54969951
Yeah but we have the guns
Hell we are the ones supplying a lot of the terrorists

>>54969501
>When ___ realises what he's doing to the ___, he will most likely stop.
No politician works like this

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>>54969821
this reeks of reddit

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>>54969857
Net neutrality is good.
https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-the-fcc-net-neutrality-is-still-crucial-to-free-software

>>54969821
>let's destabilize a country of 30 million
I guess you've been living under a rock since 2010.

>>54970029
for one minute i really misunderstood that post and i thought the FSF was encouraging a non-neutral internet

>>54969963
>>54969814
>>54969536
>>54969525
Trump loves twitter. Once he realises he won't be able to piss off liberals, he will not implement it.

>>54970029
Net Neutrality is barely worth anything. The real problem is the fact that there is NO competition with an extremely high, or legally insurmountable, barrier to entry for new ISPs, even municipal ISPs.
It's like putting a band-aid on an axe wound. Sure it might help a little, but you're still fucked.

>>54969475
>land of the free
If the US gets off from the internet, nothing of value will have been lost. Americlaps need to learn that they are in fact largely irrelevant outside of their little bubble

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>>54969821
>assassinating leaders and training rebels to fight for us in using a sledgehammer

you fucking nigger the stealthy cia shit is what doesnt work. this idea that there are "good" sandniggers and "bad" ones is what got us in this situation. faggots americans have a strong tendency to see the underdogs are the good guys and then we support them but guess what? they are pieces of shit too, probably the biggest pieces of shit which is how they manage to end up the underdogs in the first place with the majority trying to exterminate them

a sledgehammer solution is what works, not working with our "allies" in the middle east but doing shit ourselves.

blocking all sandnigger immigration wont do any good though because its too late and the us is already infested with the subhumans

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>>54969870
but the dog is cute, give it to me instead.

>>54970083
is this ironic shitposting? world trade would literally stop dead in its tracks the DAY the us withdrew from the sea. not to mention the countless other things the us does on a daily basis that keeps the world going (like protecting you nigger europoors with our military)

>>54970115
Europoors get shit for free all the time without realizing how it's paid for. Kind of like what they call "free healthcare".
>lol I go to the emergency dept and pay nothing! I get treated and it's all 100% free!

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>all those people who voted for shillary instead of bernie

how can people be such dumbdumbs

>>54970115
People in the periphery of the Roman Empire LOVED to complain about Rome.

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>>54969957

I'm on my handy, so ill reply as best I can.

The conflict was created when the US, Turkey, UAE, and the Saudis determined there should be regime change in Syria. These countries funded "moderate rebels" that ended up turning into or getting conquered by Al-Qaeda affiliates. Despite us knowing this, we still funded and trained them. Creating conflict for regime change was more important than stability and anti-terrorism, despite what they tell us.

If we want to stop them then tell our allies to stop sending weapons and training to them.

>>54970090

If the sledgehammer works then why did Iraq and Afghanistan turn out like they have? We've created more terrorists, not less. See pic which is from a US study on terrorism funded by the Rumsfeld DoD.

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>Trump is against TPP
>Trump is against SOPA because Hollywood lobbyist
>Trump is against any form of government hindering american citizens
>sans Patriot Act of course
>Will probably ban all IP addresses from south america from accessing US servers
>this includes Brazil

Trump winning will be the best thing to happen to the internet. I hate the guy, but my inner basement dweller knows the benefits he'll bring

MAGA

>>54970061
ISP competition is a separate problem. The aim of net neutrality is to prevent content providers from buying an unfair advantage over other content providers. Think Netflix and Youtube, not Comcast and AT&T

>>54970150
>The conflict was created when the US, Turkey, UAE, and the Saudis determined there should be regime change in Syria. These countries funded "moderate rebels" that ended up turning into or getting conquered by Al-Qaeda affiliates. Despite us knowing this, we still funded and trained them. Creating conflict for regime change was more important than stability and anti-terrorism, despite what they tell us.
Again, that isn't very relevant anymore. The window of opportunity to fix that mistake has LONG since passed.

>If we want to stop them then tell our allies to stop sending weapons and training to them.
That's exactly what Donald Trump keeps saying he wants to do. He does it nearly every interview and at every single stump speech. You're clearly somewhat informed, but you really need to keep it up to date. It's not 2013 anymore.

>>54970115

Economic entanglement is what keeps trade moving and countries from piracy. International trade wouldn't fall apart without US intervention.

>>54970144
They are smarter than Bernie supporters desu.

Have you seen his tax plan. It is idiotic

>>54970144
fuck off commie

>>54970144
People are afraid of 1) rocking the boat too much, and 2) Bernie raising their taxes. Clinton is perceived as the "safe" choice, which is ironic because by definition she's the conservative/status quo candidate. People think that electing Clinton will continue us on the road to going back to the 90's Clinton era.

As for Trump, many of the old school Republicans don't like him because he isn't the conservative, status quo candidate they've always gone for.

So yeah, I guess it will be pretty interesting to see how this all plays out in Nov.

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>>54970174
Trump 2016

>>54970115
>this is what amerifats are indoctrinated to believe
You fags have your own heads so far up your arses that you can't distinguish reality from the TV you watch.

>>54969808
>or even giving fucking incentives for new ISPs to start up
This has absolutely nothing to do with Net Neutrality.

>MORE regulation.
When your ISP is a monopoly, regulation is necessary. Don't be stupid, Comcast and every other last mile ISP will rape the shit out of you in public for their personal satisfaction.

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>>54970150
youre literally posting a pic about why "winning their hearts and minds" doesnt work. thats the fucking point I AM making. stop pussyfooting around and shove our giant dick down their throat without any other pretense then "we are here to kill anyone who disagrees with us".

fight it likes its a fucking war (which it is) instead of getting into countless vietnams. those sandniggers dont give a fuck about us and they dont see anything we do as "good". thats fine. we arent there to help them, we are there to help ourselves because they cant control their shit

russia would have sorted all this out if we hadn't armed the our greatest ally osama and others with high tech to fight them off

>>54970174
>Trump is against SOPA because Hollywood lobbyist
But Trump can't be bought. Isn't that his whole appeal?

>>54970253
He's already been bought. That's why he's rich. His constant backpedalling should have clued you in.

>>54970176
That wouldn't be a possibility if there was any real choice in ISPs. And I'm sure you remember how people portrayed Net Neutrality as a "make or break" regulation for the Internet, hyping it up to be something it never was or never will be. I remember some people even arguing that it'd end caps.

this thread reeks of culturally enriched l'edditors
nuke yourselves

What happened to Bernie?

>>54970274
who?

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>>54970190
>International trade wouldn't fall apart without US intervention.

the us navy keeps trade lanes open and free of chinese/korean/philippines/etc/etc/etc shenanigans on a daily basis. that fact that you dont know this just shows how fucking clueless you are

there is no other navy on the face of the planet with enough power to do the same.

>>54970263
what has he ever backpedaled on?

>>54970274
Bernie is over. Look at today's results.

>>54970277
Bernie Sanders. I thought he was going to become president.

>>54970268
care you provide some of your insightful wisdom?

>>54970277
>>>54970274
>who?
perpetuating that meme is just pathetic

>>54970214

>2) Bernie raising their taxes.
Another case of people thinking they are down on their luck millionaires..
Remember the median household income in the US is $51,939

Maybe the public in general has gotten sick of Obama
A large majority of voters just vote along party lines no matter what

>>54970267
>>54969808
The FCC can't magically "fix everything" with a single new regulation code. Net neutrality tackles traffic shaping. This is important. This does not diminish the importance of all the other problems.

>>54970274
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n24xz/ca_mt_nj_nd_nm_sd_results_mega_thread/

Enjoy the reddit tears.

>>54970282
more amerifat delusion coming in!

>>54970225
>This has absolutely nothing to do with Net Neutrality.
You missed half my post somehow. You should try again.

>When your ISP is a monopoly, regulation is necessary.
Here's a crazy idea that DEFINITELY has NEVER been done before. Break up the monopolies. Or better yet, make it so, here it is again, there are incentives for new ISPs to provide competition.
But clearly those are idiotic and have no record of success. We need to keep adding more regulations to make sure no other ISPs ever have a chance at starting up.

>Don't be stupid, Comcast and every other last mile ISP will rape the shit out of you in public for their personal satisfaction.
They basically already are, so what's your point again?

>>54970253
he means he is against SOPA BECAUSE it's by Hollywood lobbyist. SOPA is to stop "muh piracy".

SOPA and TPP are literally the only issues I care about other than Global Warming..... I'm so freaking confused right now...am I actually willing to MAGA??

First I thought he was a joke, then he becomes the only candidate that can stop TPP.....

>>54970185

I'm arguing the point, not for a politician. The problem is this pattern of: fund the insurgents, prop up the dictator, declare war when our guy is gone. For a country that purports to be the "leader of the free world" we've funded far more than our share of tyrants, terrorists, and rebellions.

>>54970239

>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
>lets fight that by invading them

Ok... that's about as sound as the logic Bush used with the Patriot Act:

>they hate us for our freedom
>lets fight them by shredding civil liberties

>>54970282

There is too much money on the table for any shenanigans. It's in everyone's economic interest to keep international trade running smoothly. Perhaps that is the US justification for their power projection in the region, but its not reality.

>>54970324
Trump is against TPP too
https://www.rt.com/usa/257377-tpp-deal-trump-criticism/

>>54970283
Stopping Muslims. Building a wall. When he started getting more popular and becoming a serious candidate he said it was "just an idea". He said the wall was "negotiable".

This thread keeps reminding me why the american education system is a total disaster

>>54970340
This thread makes me wish i was born an American.

>>54970340
>Guys I'm a European. I'm so cultured and witty.
Why do Europeans do this every chance they get? It's almost as cringy as "grrrrrrrl gamers"

>>54970350
>huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

>>54970327
>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
>lets fight that by invading them
I'm sure you realize that it's an elaborate game. I'm no tinfoil hat, but when you look at all the events that preceded 9/11 it becomes more and more obvious as time goes on.

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>>54970313
is this the only thing you can respond with you uneducated nigger?

>>54970327
>There is too much money on the table for any shenanigans

i dont think you understand. i mean the us navy literally sorts out actual altercations that happen, not that everything runs smoothly now but that if the us left there would be trouble. if the us left the shit that routinely goes down wouldnt have a super power to put them in line and at the very least trade lanes would be fucked to hell and its very possible war would break out in east/southeast asia

by the war by your logic war has never happened in human history because its bad for business

>>54970337
Not saying it was da joos.

But he said something about the Rockefeller family and after that rally he wasn't as tough with his views

>>54970317
FCC doesn't handle breaking up monopolies, DoJ does.

I agree with your points about incentives and breaking up monopolies, but I also believe that net neutrality is an important regulation. I don't think it's particularly difficult for startups to comply with net neutrality.

>They basically already are, so what's your point again?
Things being bad doesn't mean they can't get worse

>>54970362
>is this the only thing you can respond with you uneducated nigger?
it's the only thing retards understand/can relate to

>>54970337
no he hasn't

>>54970327
>American intervention creates hostility and terrorism in the region
are you actually suggesting that america created terrorism? that no terrorism existed in the area before the us arrived on scene? where are you from anon?

>>54970284
>>54970311
Is he gone for sure or is there hope? I'll vote for Trump now because there's no way I'm letting a woman rule this country.

America is just absolutely fucked

Two despicable candidates. What the fuck do you even do at this point?

How the hell did you idiots not vote in Bernie?

>>54970360
Man, no need to be so hard on yourself.

>>54970337
happens every year with every republican potential, during the primaries they go way, way right to win the nomination and afterwards they back pedal to try and win over the real swing votes which are moderates.

>>54970354
americucks just haven't realised yet what a laughing stock it is to the rest of the world.

>>54970388
>wanting a socialist

We need a great shift of balance right now. Obama was setting up for socialism at the start cause the democrats know the people want to depend on the government more, and with government power means we're going to have our rights taken away piece by piece. Bernie is not for individual freedom. Trump is.

>>54970388
Because Bernie is like, shit maybe.

If it were anyone vs Bernie the person against Bernie would win

>>54970417
Polls say the complete opposite of this. Why do you post things before checking them first?

>>54970366
I don't know why and to be honest, I don't think it's important. He's positioned himself as someone with strong stances on key issues but has consistently backpedalled where he could and avoided any kind of commitment otherwise.

>>54970382
Sander's chances went from being the same as getting struck by lightning to literally impossible. The question is when he's going to give his concession speech. There's no way he can go on and ask for more contributions. It would be incredibly bad taste.

>>54969663
>Net neutrality is literally a garbage bill.

It literally isn't a bill.

It's more or less a memorandum of understanding from the FCC. No new laws, no new regulations, no bills, no congressional action.

>>54970317
>We need to keep adding more regulations to make sure no other ISPs ever have a chance at starting up
Net neutrality's function is to ensure no preferential treatment can be given. Internet access is a utility and should be treated as such.

>They basically already are, so what's your point again?
So you have stockholm syndrome?

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>>54970411
i cant wait for when president trump starts charging you for american intervention and aid :^)

we need to stop being the world police for free

>>54970361
Islamic terrorism existed long before America. Even the fucking founding fathers had to deal with muslims attacking US ships. Until recently, most of the shit they did was contained in the middle east.
Either way, they already hate us. Leaving them alone isn't going to make them stop hating us. Thanks to how incompetently we've been handling EVERYTHING relating to the middle east for the last 16 years it's not surprising that terrorism is on the rise. They see the west as a vulnerable and easy target that cowers at the thought of a terrorist attack, which may as well be true these days. Set an example by removing ISIS and use that as a deterrent against future attacks. Costs FAR less than constant warfare and doesn't allow ISIS to keep attacking Europe and the US.

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>>54970424
>polls are a 100% accurate source.

>>54970433
Honestly, i don't think he will build the wall.
I knew he wouldn't a few weeks ago.

Though the fact liberals get so mad, me ake me want him to build it

>>54970417
He does better against Trump than Hillary does
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-donald/

Thanks /pol/, you literally killed the internet, hope you enjoyed your memes.

>>54970335
>>54970324
>>54970174

>Trump wants to "shake up the system"
>Trump's motto "Make America Great again"
>"A house divided cannot stand or some shit" -George Washington

Trump will ask Sanders to be his VP, you read it here first

>>54970459
>trump starts charging yo
Trump will ditch taxes and charge your dumbass for military protection. Don't pay up? I guess you're Chinese now.

Wow this is a tough election for Americans you either have to vote for
>A socialist
>a living meme
>or a women.
I would probably go with Trump to be honest, I have spoken with both Irish people and Americans, everyone seems to think he will be some monster but I would imagine he will just sit in the white house shitposting and not delivering on anything he promised.
The other two have a good chance of fucking shit up for everybody especially considering Hillary wants to be Merkel 2.0.

>>54970479
what is this post even supposed to mean?

>>54970469
>politifact

Oh my god. The amount of Bernie bias that comes from that website triggers me.

Though, i'd do the same with trump if i owned a website that big, so i don't blame him

>>54970376
NN and the sad state of ISP choice are two very different issues.

NN is very much needed, it adds no value to consumers and takes away choice.

>>54969658
>Carter also banned all Muslim immigrants
No he didn't you fucktard, he put a moratorium on new visas from Iran. A ban on new visas from a specific country is completely different from a ban on visas to members of a specific religion no matter what country they're from.

>And Obama deliberately assassinated Al-Awlaki's teenage, American son.
Did you miss how people where speaking out about that when it happened? Of course they're going to speak out against other politicians who advocate such policies.

>>54970466
It's eight large polls conducted by news agencies vs something anon just pulled out of his ass

I'm gonna have to go with polls on this one

>>54970497
Get used to it. Welcome to the next 4 years.

>>54970482
>he will just sit in the white house shitposting and not delivering on anything he promised.
Yup, that's exactly why Trump is useless. He'll start a war with Russia, try to ally with China, and then shit himself when China sides with Russia.

>>54970379

I am not suggesting that. I'm stating it as a fact. US policy didn't create fighting in the region, the British began that fire, but it has most definitely fueled that fire for the reasons laid out by the very Defense Department that runs the war. Our decades old policy of supporting bloody dictators, sectarian warfare, and insurgency has led to single digit approval ratings in most Middle East countries.

The policy continues today with the funding of "moderate rebels" in Syria, destabilization of Libya, and supporting the the Saudi's indiscriminate bombing campaign of the Houthis (incidentally, the Houthis are the only check on AQPA in Yemen, so once they are gone, you will see an exponential rise of Al-Qaeda in Yemen).

>>54970497
It's what you can expect from Trump: privatization of everything with him being primary shareholder in all the budding, new industries. Who could have predicted that? Literally anyone with a basic grasp of capitalism.

>>54970510
Oh yeah, implying you didn't just pull that out of your ass

>trusting news sources

I don't even trust Fox.

>>54970512
Putin loves trump, trump loves putin.

Putin hated Obama

>>54970499
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/02/bernie-sanders-does-better-against-donald-trump-than-hillary-clinton-and-by-ever-bigger-margins/
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/upshot/bernie-sanders-does-better-vs-trump-wouldnt-be-prudent-to-assume-that.html
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-does-sanders-do-better-clinton-against-trump

>>54970530
>I have no idea how the US government works

The US government literally sells public infrastructure contracts, military research, and weapons manufacturing to the highest bidder in the private market...

>>54970538
Putin likes Trump because he will destroy the US. The US is the only major threat to Russia since the 1940s.

>>54970531
I didn't, I pulled it from
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
and they pulled it from news agencies

I don't trust anon so that I guess that makes us even

>>54970553
>Water
>Police force
>Regulatory agencies
>Federal Enforcement of any sort
Are you really this stupid?

>>54970569
>>54970542
I could literally search up the same thing and get search results for Trump.

But i burnt my tongue and im at work so i will later.

>>54970500
>it adds no value to consumers and takes away choice.
Net neutrality prevents ISPs from throttling traffic that the ISPs deem undesirable. That's value. Please tell me how it limits choice.

>>54970502

The White House's statement was "maybe he should have had a better father." There was much more outrage when Trump supported the idea of assassinating terrorists family than when Obama actually did it.

>>54970461

>Tripolian pirates are the same as Jihadis

I don't understand your argument. You say that US intervention has fueled terrorism, but you advocate for more of the same "incompetent" intervention.

The obvious answer is to live up to our ideals: stop funding terrorism, stop funding any non-democratic countries in the region, and stop "picking winners" in regional wars.

>>54969776

The internet, you'd know it if your friends list was over 30

>>54970594
>get search results for Trump.
For how Trump polls against Trump in the general election? You don't even know what we're discussing here, fuck off

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Whatever
I'm already preparing for the final ride

>>54970577
>it's pge.com not pge.gov
>most industries hire private security over relying on local police department
>PMCs pay soldiers better than US gov

Are you saying private sector hasn't proven time and and again it's better at doing shit? Or are you saying the privatization of public services hasn't been happening in the past 100 years and will only start with Trump

because both are equally retarded

>>54970299
>care you provide some of your insightful wisdom?
kill your self

>>54970606
>You say that US intervention has fueled terrorism
Yes

>but you advocate for more of the same "incompetent" intervention.
No, I clearly said the incompetence needs to stop. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you weren't imply all invasion is incompetent.

>stop funding terrorism, stop funding any non-democratic countries in the region, and stop "picking winners" in regional wars.
It's almost like that's the platform one of the candidates has been running on for a year now. Hmm...

Which one of the two is legalizing weed and all the other drugs?

>>54969776
Count the delegates (not counting supers) - Hillary has 1900, Bernie has 1600

As for Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary, it's about a quarter
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642

>>54970675
Gary Johnson

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meme magic

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>>54969679
ISIS is not a country, so there isn't actually war. It's sectarian violence.

>>54970641
>Are you saying private sector hasn't proven time and and again it's better at doing shit?
So you really think a private police force is a good idea....

I swear, it's like stupid pills have been put into the water supply. A private police force is no different than the communist police forces of the cold war. Their sole drive is money and they have literally no reason to follow any moral code. You could be arrested for shopping at the wrong store (and then starve to death because it's better for the bottom line).

>>54970050
Every website other than government sanctioned ones will be eliminated. That's scary as fuck.

>>54969776
If you can stomach going on leddit, a lot of Bernie supporters absolutely hate Hillary, and would rather not vote than vote her in.

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>>54970711
It doesn't matter if they're recognized as a country or not. They have fairly well defined territory under their control in countries like Syria. Pic related.

>both bad for privacy rights
>both bad for gun rights
Not going to bother voting anymore.
We cyberpunk soon, fellow fuckos.

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>>54970711
>ISIS controls territory
>ISIS declares itself a country
>ISIS taxes its citizens

it literally is a country. whether it is officially recognized as such by major world powers doesnt matter.

>>54970729
I can't tell if you're serious or just a troll.

>>54970586
By potentially being able to crush new competitors simply because you were able to steer consumers to your site/service faster / have deeper pockets
Imagine if walmart decides to throw its weight behind its online portal and crush a fledgling amazon.com
There were times when amazon, netflix, google all were very small companies trying to get a foothold in the market.
Companies like walmart, blockbuster, or yahoo all were well established already and had more than enough money to crush the competition or even make sure it never got off the ground.

>>54970706
This shitty country will never legalize weed or shrooms?

>>54970729
>in america

>>54970616
I did find a few. But none of them were by major new companies because they are bias towards Trump.

Also, the polls were rigged during Marco Rubio against Trump, and that was there own Party.

>>54970474
To be fair this whole election cycle has been hilarious

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>>54970783
Alright, tell me how many people would vote for Donald Trump instead of Donald Trump in the general election

>>54969475
>implying normies haven't already ruined the internet
if either of these niggers fuck up the internet it will just drive more people underground to alternatives like i2p, Tor, etc.

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>>54970821
the entire process is just plain retarded in the states.


in another ~2 years they will be already filling air time with the talk of the 2020 election..
How the fuck can anyone get anything done when they have to spend half their time campaigning ??

>>54970606
>There was much more outrage when Trump supported the idea of assassinating terrorists family than when Obama actually did it
Yeah, because people who were on the fence on the issue when it first happened have since chosen a side and because Trump advocated doing it on a larger scale.

>>54970829
lolwut

>>54970833
Doesn't help when both of them would be for banning i2p, Tor, and Freenet because they are used by terrorists and pedophiles.

>>54970864
Hillary isn't Trump, idiot.

>>54970768
I don't think you understand net neutrality.

You're actually providing the same argument that net neutrality supporters use.

Imagine I'm amazon and net neutrality doesn't exist. Walmart can pay your ISP to serve connections to walmart.com much faster than amazon.com. That's unfair competition. The whole point of net neutrality is to stop this kind of thing from happening.

Read the paragraph about Youtube vs Mediagoblin
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-the-fcc-net-neutrality-is-still-crucial-to-free-software

>>54970850
That's what having a democracy is like desu

>>54970851

We both know that people haven't had a moral awakening since it happened. The reason Democrats are denouncing it is because a Republican is advocating it. The same is true of surveillance. Democrats raised hell when Bush did it, but were very quiet when it was revealed that Obama had expanded it.

>>54970864
keep in mind, this would be an america only thing. Once you stupid cunts regulate yourselves out of the internet, we'll see much less shitposting like this entire thread which is more geared towards >>>/pol/ than /g/

>>54970719
the fuck....

if your saying this will happen under Trump, you REALLY have no idea how the US government works

if your saying the USSR and any other government that came out of a socialist revolution is the how a Trump presidency will end, you really have no idea how the US government works...

There is no bottom line in capitalism....and most of the worst dictatorships came from a socialist revolution.... calm the fuck down and see shit outside of your ant-capitalist bubble for a sec okay?

>>54970861
The point is we were discussing if Bernie would do better than Hillary against Trump, and you said you got search results for Trump.

>>54970864
>implying 10 other technologies won't sprout up if Tor or i2p or freenet is banned
look at silkroad being "shutdown", all it did was force the darknet markets to evolve and not make the same mistakes and to innovate. the people will find always find a way.

>>54970908
>lulwut comes from a completely different person

>>54970908
Hillary stands a chance because GIRL POWER bullshit. Barney isn't actually worth discussing.

>>54970922
Read the thread then

>>54970931
Again, bullshit from anon's ass vs actual polls

>>54970903
>There is no bottom line in capitalism
Get a job somewhere other than McDonalds. Every business has a bottom line. The drive in capitalism is greed. THEY ACTUALLY TELL YOU THIS IN BUSINESS CLASSES.
Can't figure it out yet? How does this relate to Trump?
Trump is a capitalist through and through. His friends are capitalists, through and through. Politicians are so stupid now that they cannot read past the 11th grade. How do you make more money? You remove regulation preventing you from becoming a monopoly. Ultimately this leads to disputes between him and his friends. Being that he's president he wins. Trump becomes the US dictator.

Trump is not your friend, he makes more in a month than you do in a year.

>>54970903
>if your saying this will happen under Trump, you REALLY have no idea how the US government works
We're halfway there. The regulatory agencies in the US are very heavily influenced by lobbyists.

>>54970892
>We both know that people haven't had a moral awakening since it happened
Except I know people who were on the fence on the issue when it first happened and decided on a position later (before Trump started running) or gave the government the benefit of the doubt that his son wasn't the target of the strike or that there was other information the government couldn't release for security reasons (in which case Trump's position removes this possibility).

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>>54970967
>being this deep in the kool-aid

Capitalism is about competition, even in the unlikely event that corporations take over.... when one decides to police you and make you happy, wtf you do? GO TO THE COMPETITOR who will welcome you and your inner-corporate knowledge to the fold... get a job higher than a bus boy and see how Corporations try their best to keep talent IN company, it's called the Paternal work culture


>>54970976
but Trump is against lobbyist....

>>54971017
>GO TO THE COMPETITOR
You must be new to this country. Lemme guess, you're second or third generation. Fun fact: monopoly means you have no other choices.

>>54971017
>get a job higher than a bus boy
You make me want to destroy the middle class.
By the way, it's already happening and republican politicians are driving it.

>>54971017

>unlikely event that corporations take over

>there are people on this site that unironically support Trump or any other politician
Lowest point of the internet.

>>54971061
>le raise taxes and the minimum wage :DDDDD
>wat da fuggg habben'd 2 da medal klahs

>another disguised /pol/ thread that's more related to Trump, immigrants, and elections than it is about actual pieces of technology
Remember to report off-topic threads.

>>54971036
monopoly is illegal in capitalist societies, AT&T was forbidden to buy T-mobile for example

>>54971083
Minimum wage won't destroy the middle class, fighting education will.

>>54971094
>monopoly is illegal in capitalist societies, AT&T was forbidden to buy T-mobile for example
Laws can be overturned. Look at prohibition.

>>54969668
more like
>those people over there are beheading civilians for idealogical reasons so they should all die because I don't agree with them

>>54971078
see >>54970174

Trump's a bastard to most groups and demographics, 4chan and the internet is not one of them

>>54969475

>Trump
>the most pro-free speech motherfucker out there
>doing anything harmful to the Internet

Hopefully the SJW mass suicide will clean this place out.

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>>54971014
You say you gave a benefit of the doubt but you already saw what the white house said about the murder lol the back tracking isn't working on this one.

>>54969963
trump is no politician, friend

>>54970478
He should do a conference tomorrow to call out Hillary for not letting Bernie have a fair chance at the nomination, that would surely net a lot of bernout votes

>>54971145
He is a goddess

>>54971135
he's "pro business" which means he would support companies doing whatever "clever, innovative" things they want to eke out more money from consumers. "fast lanes" on the internet would just be a value added feature, and he would naturally support it.

i understand desperation to cast your candidate in a positive light, but don't be delusional.

>>54970174
You Americans really deserve that idiot meme as president.

>>54971135
He's got no time for anything to do with the net in any significant fashion that doesn't have to do with his twatter account. He'll be too busy building the wall and starting up his new reality show, Minority Deport.

God damn I can't wait for the spic version of the Trail of Tears.

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>>54970729
>thinking a capitalist would do this
wew lad

>>54970337
>what is every campaign strategy ever

far right in the primaries, move more centrist in the general. My word, /g/ IS a bunch of idiots.

>>54971167
>which means he would support companies doing whatever "clever, innovative" things they want to eke out more money from consumers

You mean like lobbyists, something that he has said he is against multiple times?

>>54971118

Then your argument would be:

>those people are beheading civilians and I dont like it so I'm going to destabilize the entire country, leave hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in my wake, and create more terrorists like the ones I was fighting

>>54971167
trump is literally the most reasonable president we will have ever had. unless you can name someone better?

hes the closest thing to a human being we've put in office in decades

>>54971167
He's pro-competition, pro-small business.

>>54971145
The least convincing lie a politician can make is to put is hands up and say "I'm not a politician" and yet people still fall for it.

>no but politician means something special
When I say it, anyone who goes into politics is a politician, and Trump qualifies.

>>54971204
Tbh I don't think intervention is the right answer but I just wanted to add my version. I honestly would prefer we just break the middle east off from the rest of the world and only allow shipments in and out for natural resource trade, and if possible not even that. Either that or European owned Middle Eastern colonies like pre-WWI

I sure hope Trump doesn't win. I don't know much about Hillary, but Trump is nothing more than a populist. All he did was keep saying a bunch of bullshit about how he'll clear the USA of illegal crime, and how he'll 'take care of ISIS'. Really, how do you guys believe such lies?

>>54971204
Not him but
>I'm going to destabilize the entire country
It's already destabilized.

>leave hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in my wake
ISIS is already doing this to people in the middle east. Wars almost always have collateral damage. That's the nature of war. It's not pretty, it's not pleasant, it's not nice. Deal with it.

>and create more terrorists like the ones I was fighting
Right. Clearly the best thing to do is let them keep terrorizing Europe and work their way to the US. What a moronic line of logic.

>>54971207
>unless you can name someone better?
Washington Adams Jefferson Madison Monroe Adams Jackson Van Buren Harrison Tyler Polk Taylor Fillmore Pierce Buchanan Lincoln Johnson Grant Hayes Garfield Arthur Cleveland Harrison McKinley Roosevelt Taft Wilson Harding Coolidge Hoover Roosevelt Truman Eisenhower Kennedy Johnson Nixon Ford Carter Reagan Bush Clinton Bush Obama

>>54971096
Our system is retarded, funding is not the problem
Raises minimum wage, say to the $15 liberals are fighting for destroys small business, raises prices, and results in more unemployment

>>54971242
>opposed to lies
>wants crooked hillary
lmoa

>>54971242
Why wouldn't he take care of ISIS? He's not trying to wage a 'politically correct' war like Obama or Clinton try to do. Don't forget, Clinton and Obama are DIRECTLY responsible for ISIS in the first place.

>>54971207
Jon Huntsman was a moderate conservative with foreign policy experience and extremely practical views on most topics.

If you mean that Trump is the most reasonable president in the sense that it's been a shitshow for the past 250 years, I could be open to discussing that, but I suspect you're not really eager to get into an informed debate about the history of presidents we've had.

Then again, I might be wrong. Before we begin, what's your criteria for "reasonable"? I don't want to move the goalposts and this chat would be kind of retarded without nailing down terms.

>>54971210
Has he made that distinction clear in any policy statements or actions in the past? I haven't seen anything unambiguously making that point.

Seeing dogs in clouds doesn't make the cloud a member of the Canidae family.

>>54971242
funny how you can switch Trump with Sanders, ISIS with Wallstreet....

>>54971263
I'm not a fan of either, but I'm just wondering, how can anyone genuinely like Trump? All the guy ever did was spout dreamland lies about how he'll make 'america great again' and how he wants to wage war with the middle east. Know who else wanted to make america 'great again' and wanted to wage war with the middle east? George bush.

>>54971254
>destroys small business, raises prices, and results in more unemployment

>Actually believing that the majority of Americans are employed by small business
Nice try

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>>54971252
This is literally the worst post I've ever seen.

>>54971143
>you already saw what the white house said about the murder
That statement doesn't exactly cancel out the possibility of him actually being involved in something and the government not releasing information.

>lol the back tracking isn't working on this one.
Wat. I'm just stating my observations from discussions I had with people back when al-Awlaki's son was killed.

As they say you get the representative that you deserve

>>54971268
>Don't forget, Clinton and Obama are DIRECTLY responsible for ISIS in the first place.

Explain.

>>54971246

The moronic line of logic is yours. To continue policies that create terrorists, such as the policies of the last 50 years, while purporting to fight terrorism is laughable. We created ISIS by funding them, arming them, and destabilizing Iraq and Libya. The majority of ISIS commanders are former Baathists.

Intervention doesn't work.

>>54971286
Honestly even if he is lying about everything, he's at least spreading a message of what we all want. We don't want Hillary's hateful message and terrible foreign policy, we want isolationism and personal responsibility.

>>54971276
>Has he made that distinction clear in any policy statements or actions in the past?
How many policy statements has Trump made? Maybe two speeches?
Either way, he's said it plenty of times in interviews, stump speeches, and even at debates.
http://smallbiztrends.com/2016/04/where-donald-trump-stands-on-small-business.html
Here's one of the first results detailing his policies as they relate to small business.
It's your job as a voter to know the candidates' policies.

>>54971276 here
Oh sorry I didn't realize that you were asking to compare Trump to past sitting presidents in the first sentence, >>54971207. If I were to look to the past presidents, FDR secures at least top 5 with the New Deal. Lincoln handled the Civil War in a controversial way, but ultimately the right way (considering that losing the south would have been like donating a lung). Washington similarly did some crazy but necessary shit (like set a de facto standard of serving two terms).

I could probably reach as far down as Teddy Roosevelt before we'd have to seriously ask whether the president in question was better than Trump would be.

>>54971304
>Middle class moves out
>All that is left is the rich elite and the poor
>The poor still shouting "Muh Trump" as the rich laugh hysterically

>>54971314
Don't know why he didn't mention the Bush's too, but it's also their fault: wars and general meddling in the middle east. Power vacuums are where these groups come from.

>>54971319
>he's at least spreading a message of what we all want.

And you're seriously going to blindly trust a politician just because he's spewing things that you want to hear?

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None of them knows anything about the internet.

Hillary cant even manage two email accounts.

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>>54971314

Not him, but the CIA funded the "moderate rebels" in Syria to try and overthrow Assad. The rebels were allied with Al Qaeda affiliates. Our "allies" in the region (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc) still fund ISIS directly because they want Assad gone. The US also overthrew the Libyan government, paving the way for ISIS to expand there. Its all in a 2012 DIA report.

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>>54970542
>washpost
>nbc
>nyt
>msnbc

>>54969811
She will not win.
She will be indicted.
America will be great again soon enough.

>>54971314
see >>54970150

>>54971268
>Why wouldn't he take care of ISIS?
I dunno if he's got a real plan. This is verbatim the only thing Donald Trump says about how he'll deal with ISIS in the foreign policy section of his website

>And then there’s ISIS. I have a simple message for them. Their days are numbered. I won’t tell them where and I won’t tell them how. We must as, a nation, be more unpredictable. But they’re going to be gone. And soon.

>>54971343
It's not like it didn't happen 8 years ago.

>>54971343
It's all you really can do isn't it? He isn't president yet, so you have to have some faith. And I regardless of whether I trust Hillary to do what she says, I don't like it. So it's Trump then. Too bad we don't have better system where Johnson could at least have a chance.

>>54971373
There's no chance in hell of Hillary winning. She committed treason.

>>54970478
holy shit. I want to believe.

ITT /g/ has better political discussion than /pol/

>>54969475
>internet loses
Not everybody is amerifat, amerifat.

>>54971428
Except most things are based in the US, so if the US loses, then everybody loses.

>>54971324
>How many policy statements has Trump made? Maybe two speeches?
Like, strictly speaking? None. He's been very effective at dodging any opportunity to be nailed down on his policies or how he would get anything done.

His position statement reads more like a wish list than anything else; he seems either unable to reconcile that congress decides things like tax rates or unwilling to deal with the gap we already have between our expenses as a federal government and the income the government gets in taxes. We can't abruptly stop paying for social security (we can aggressively phase it out, but "aggressive" doesn't mean <8 years), but if we stopped paying for the 3 most expensive programs in the US (social security, national defense, and income security), we'd still be looking at ~45% of the federal budget, way way way way way more than we could cover at a 15% tax rate.

And this is ignoring that it's difficult to see congress (even a republican-led house) passing a budget that does any of this.

I love the idea of shrinking the government, but trump doesn't seem to understand the intransigent nature of the bicameral legislature, the three-branched government, or politics in general.

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>>54971291
You are retarded if you think it only effects small business
>Cost of employment is suddenly doubled
>Better just automate the task
Anyhow, I thought liberals were against massive corporate influence
Why would you want small business to get raped?

>>54971412
Not surprising, even a toilet bowl has better discussions than an echo chamber

>>54971377
>I dunno if he's got a real plan.
What he's revealed of his plan so far is a full assault on their forces in Syria while attacking their revenue streams ("bomb the oil" being the catchphrase for this) in co-operation with countries like Russia which are already on the attack. Also allowing generals to do their work, not like the current administration which wants to see other Arabs doing the fighting for us, or disasters like "nation building" to try and make the middle east democratic.

>>And then there’s ISIS. I have a simple message for them. Their days are numbered. I won’t tell them where and I won’t tell them how. We must as, a nation, be more unpredictable. But they’re going to be gone. And soon.
What's your point? Maybe you should read "Crippled America" where he goes into far more detail about his policies. Then again there are also plenty of interviews where he talks about allies of the US such as the UAE funding ISIS, or his go-to phrase of "bombing the oil", which he says would take away one of their main revenue streams.

>>54969923
Kek
Fucking saved.Good times ahead indeed.

>>54969923
DELETE THIS

>>54971460
>Maybe you should read "Crippled America" where he goes into far more detail about his policies.
Why do I have to buy a book to find out about his policies? Isn't that what a campaign website is for?

>>54971449
you spelled Bernie Sanders wrong....

>>54971458
/pol/ is designated shitposting board
any political discussion is muffled by the exuberant memes

>>54971457
>Cost of employment is suddenly doubled
For McDonalds workers, the rest of us make more than that.

>small business to get raped
This wasn't originally a discussion of minimum wage but since you're making it one:
Years ago I worked for a guy making $10/hr. Because I was involved with his financials I knew how much he was making off me and my fellow coworkers. The total revenue was >$1 million per year whereas his expenses were less than half of that. This is commonplace in a properly managed small business. Last I checked he could easily afford to pay all of us $15/hr.

>>54971493
I never mentioned Bernie Sanders. You've fallen way off the beaten path if you think I referenced him somewhere in that post.

>>54971449
Here's the two examples I had in mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmINZRwiZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8RqLN3Qao

He also wrote an entire book on his policies. His website also goes into detail about policies. Just because you refuse to research anything and blindly accept what you read doesn't mean he has no policies.

>he seems either unable to reconcile that congress decides things like tax rates
He mentions how he wants to "cajole" (another word he's using as a catchphrase) with congress to get his policies done. Not to mention the next president is going to be picking at least 1 new SOCTUS justice, possibly even up to 5. He's even made a list of potential choices which has universal praise, even among his detractors.

>unwilling to deal with the gap we already have between our expenses as a federal government and the income the government gets in taxes. We can't abruptly stop paying for social security (we can aggressively phase it out, but "aggressive" doesn't mean <8 years), but if we stopped paying for the 3 most expensive programs in the US (social security, national defense, and income security), we'd still be looking at ~45% of the federal budget, way way way way way more than we could cover at a 15% tax rate.
He doesn't want to end social security and he talks about the national debt constantly. He's even outlined policies for that.

>>54970362
but by your logic war is good for business and the us naveee is fucking with business by not letting war break out in east/southeast asia.
what are you smoking, nigger?

>>54971543
>possibly even up to 5
Get your head out of the clouds.

>>54971543
>His website also goes into detail about policies.
It doesn't, though. I tried to look up what his plan for ISIS was on there and all I found was >>54971377
I'd be happy if you could point me to the right webpage

>>54969501
LEL DESU SENPAI TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE THIS DELUSIONAL.

>>54971505
Not him but read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Also do you not understand what happens when you raise the cost of labor? People are already having trouble finding a job at all, but raising the minimum wage means you have to be even more competitive because employers are now going to be far more stingy on who they hire since they now have to pay 200% more per employee.

>>54971557
>but by your logic war is good for business

no its not and where did you get that? east/southeast asia and many other areas with major sea lanes are political cluster fucks and the presence of the us in the area prevents war

it seems like youre just making up some argument yourself to shitpost against

>>54971439
>except most things are based in the US
Cept it's not 1990 anymore, everything is based in pajeetland at least that's where they operate.

>>54971439
>He thinks multinationals give a toss about anything habbeding in the US when they can just as quickly move operations eslewhere

Net neutrality rules really only affect your own telco/data consumers. It really doesn't affect anything else.

>>54971565
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/SupremeCourt.html
Are you telling me within the next 8 years it's not possible for 5 of these people to either retire or to die? It's very likely that there will be more than one appointment, even in the next 4 years.

>>54971591
he's probably thinking of all that lucrative coal mining.

if coal, farming, and other shit jobs weren't the core of the swing states' votes, we'd have such a different political landscape...

>>54971566
I wouldn't announce unfreezing the vial of smallpox we have @ the CDC as well... not saying he'll do it....but I would be totally okay with that

>>54971579
>Also do you not understand what happens when you raise the cost of labor? People are already having trouble finding a job at all, but raising the minimum wage means you have to be even more competitive because employers are now going to be far more stingy on who they hire since they now have to pay 200% more per employee.
Seattle and LA already approved the change. Prices have changed minimally if at all.

>>54971318
remove them once and for all

>>54971605
>Are you telling me within the next 8 years it's not possible
of course it's possible. but the average age of a SCOTUS retiree has been 79. Ginsburg is the only person past that point, and the justices have such a measured view of the constitution that i doubt even Alito or Thomas would willingly retire and risk Trump appointing Beefcake or whatever his name is

>>54971566
I never said his site went into detail about all his policies. Why do you think I wrote "goes into detail about policies". His book however, does go into some detail about ISIS, but he's stubborn about saying much because he claims he wants to be "unpredictable".
That being said, he already has advisers with experience in foreign policy, and they likely support his message seeing as they haven't come out in opposition or simply left.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-advisor-idUSMTZSAPEC2Q6G3JRH
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/3/donald-trump-taps-jeff-sessions-top-national-secur/
Here's two examples.

>>54971641
San Francisco is a different story...wish we had a fuckin' dollar menu at the McDonalds here

>>54971659
Oh sorry his name is Meat Loaf.

>>54971647

>kill all Muslims
>kill all infidels

You're just a white terrorists.

>>54969923
>Romney will win 51% by 46%.

Not quite -- he lost to Obama 51% to 47%. It was no doubt a closer call than 2008 but when one has Coke vs. Diet Coke, they tend to choose Classic. Trump on the other hand is different that instead of being the puppet for the corporatists, he is one. Trump has said "mean things", but Hillary has such shaken character that it could be her undoing.

Back on topic, Trump would approve a measure to kill net neutrality as it is anti-business. Clinton would approve a measure to kill net neutrality, likely bundled in a larger package that appeared to favor consumers.

>>54971588
>if the us left there would be trouble ... the shit that routinely goes down wouldnt have a super power to put them in line and at the very least trade lanes would be fucked to hell and ...war would break out in east/southeast asia

are you now distancing yourself from your own views from an hour ago because it lacks consistency?

>>54971665
San Francisco is a perfect example of capitalism gone wrong. Anyone in the service industry is homeless and the average middle class live in hovels.

>>54971641
Seattle and LA both are staggering their wage increases. They have not been raised to $15 an hour yet and won't be until the early 2020s.
Also there have been signs of issues in Seattle already, but it's still too early to tell how things are going to turn out in the long run.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/19/seattles-15-minimum-wage-jobs-down-unemployment-up-this-isnt-working-is-it/#73c717573712

>>54971724
>signs of issues in Seattle already
Unfortunately Seattle is filled with shitheads that bitched that they are now off of "muh welfare" because they make too much.

>>54971724
>Also there have been signs of issues in Seattle already, but it's still too early to tell how things are going to turn out in the long run.
Seattle has been kind of fucked up by amazon landing right in the middle of the city and inundating the once-livable community with tech workers. MS did right by being based in Redmond, far enough away that it didn't kill the vibe but close enough that determined microsoft employees could live in the city and commute in.

Residents don't/didn't even mind the MS shuttles going through the city. And given the controversy/strife that Google/etc... have had with SF, that's saying something.

>>54971588
As far as I'm aware, the US navy is absurdly large when you compare it to the rest of the world. If we burgers decided to just scrap half our fleet, you probably get a massive upswing in piracy in places like Hormuz, at least for the 5-10 years it takes everyone else to build a blue water fleet. Not to mention China probably decides to go for Taiwan or the Philippines.

>>54971412
/g/ is good at discussing anything that's not technology.

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>>54969951
>the same mentality that the terrorists have regarding Americans

The difference is we could easily do it and solve the problem permanently.

>>54971822
Then why is most of this thread full of people who have no clue? There's even people who think $15 minimum wage is a good thing ITT.

>>54970192
>Have you seen his tax plan. It is idiotic

This. If Bernie wasn't such a massive fucking retard he would have won easily.

>>54971823

Most terrorist attacks in America are performed by Americans. Where exactly should we nuke?

>>54971882
>Some psycho killing people because he's disturbed
>"""Terrorism"""

>>54971844
It's making up for 60 years of stagnant wages.

>>54971900

Tell me what a terrorist is.

>>54971900
oh dude your keyboard is broken it keeps repeating quotation marks. you only need to do one to be sarcastic.

>>54971882
Give me one good reason why we shouldn't level the middle east? The world would be objectively better without them and other countries aren't going to start WW3 over some shitskins that almost everyone unanimously hates.

>>54971931
>Give me one good reason why we shouldn't level the middle east?
- (lots of) oil
- would be considered a war crime
- pretty sure there are other people out there that hate the US, and genocide would probably be the push that sends them over the edge. people are crazy that way

>>54969501
you actually believe this?

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>>54971924
Oklahoma City bombing?
Boston Marathon bombing?
Terrorism.

Isla Vista shootings?
Sandy Hook?
Bundy Ranch standoff?
Not terrorism, but called terrorism anyway.

Pic related by the way.

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>>54971952
>(lots of) oil
This could easily be protected.

> would be considered a war crime
Who cares?

>pretty sure there are other people out there that hate the US, and genocide would probably be the push that sends them over the edge. people are crazy that way

The only people that could even attempt to do anything against us are Russia and China and they wouldn't give a shit. We could even make a nice deal and let them invade a neighbor or two without repercussions.

>>54971925
see >>54972004
I'd love to see all these Americans committing mass atrocity with the goal of intimidating people into submitting to their political beliefs though. I mean you said most terrorists are American so I assume you have a source, right?

I'm completely technically illiterate but here's a suggestion anyway:

>Support the "internet of things" or whatever it's called, encourage takeup
>Support 3D printing
>Support encryption technologies

Eventually, these things will combine so that practically every household object can become an 'node' or 'repeater' in a sort of "super internet" that's completely decentralised and doesn't rely on ISP's, etc. This circumvents large organisations and government because they can't justify controlling every single person's own property - most of the attempts to control the internet are based on the fact that the physical infrastructure is under the purview of government legislation. Governments wouldn't be able to limit people from transmitting information from their own homes. They'd still be able to control what happens on the 'main' internet (undersea cables, etc), but if any single 14 year old boy can build his own wifi transmitter and set it up to connect to others in his neighbourhood who are also trying to build a free net. This would also make the internet un-killable. Even if governments shut down all the major infrastructure, they'd have to go house to house to shut down this 'super internet'.

The major thing anyone who cares about a free internet has to keep in mind is the reality of normies and even just the laziness and lethargy of people in general, that's how we ended up with google completely dominating everything and now governments working their way in as well. Anyone who cares has to take constant active efforts to decentralise the internet. You're never going to convince enough people of the need for a free internet to influence government. You need to make and maintain that freedom.

>>54972011
>protect oil
and the tens of billions in infrastructure built to drill for it?
>who cares
you'd be surprised at how the collective military forces of the world would take unkindly to that. and if you think China would just happily let us turn an entire region to glass - especially one that they rely on for energy - you'll be more surprised than you probably are from reading buzzfeed listicles, millennial.

>russia and china wouldn't give a shit
just because you don't understand russian or chinese interests doesn't mean they have no interests. and i'm talking about terrorists all over the world, to say nothing of people that are sympathetic but not quite willing to kill or die over their misgivings regarding the US.

most of the terrorist recruitment in the past 10-15 years has been successful because terrorists are effective at casting the US as a dangerous antagonist. annihilating the entire middle east would justify any caricature a terrorist organization would want to contrive in the recruitment of more fighters.

>>54972053
What you're thinking of is called a meshnet is it will never replace copper and fiber.

>>54972070

Thanks, i'll look that up. I didn't claim it would replace the copper\fibre, but with a large enough uptake, if it almost became the 'standard' for people to use this emerging network, wouldn't that basically make all efforts by government to clamp down on information pointless?

If you have one major realm of free speech, this makes it increasingly pointless to enforce control in another realm. It's like the world today - countries which try to enforce 'morality rules' when it comes to media (like western TV and movies) are exposed as being ridiculous by the fact that people within those countries can access the media anyway through other means.

Encrypted messaging systems like iMessage make it practically impossible for police and courts to abuse and violate people's personal informatino the way they have been doing with SMS messaging metadata for years.

>>54972038

Both examples you listed were committed by Americans....

By your definition, the "shock and awe" of the Iraq invasion was also terroeism against the Iraqi civilian population.

>>54970214
US will bankrupt anyway, so who cares.

>>54972160
>Both examples you listed were committed by Americans....
You act like that was a mistake. We're talking about American terrorists, so I gave examples of actual American terrorists and "terrorists".

>By your definition, the "shock and awe" of the Iraq invasion was also terroeism against the Iraqi civilian population
"Terrorism" implies smaller scale operations with the express purpose to intimidate people into following your beliefs.
Operation Shock and Awe was a military operation aimed at enemy combatants. Civilian deaths are an unfortunate side effect of urban warfare.
You could argue that because it used intimidation as a deterrent that it was "terrorism", but it wasn't being used for politics, it was used for war. When ISIS attacks cities in Europe they are doing so to scare people into accepting jihad. There's a difference between the two.

>>54972303

The size of the two doesn't make a difference. Shock and awe was used to get the civilian population to submit to American rule. State-sponsored terrorism is the most common form of terrorism. The US being one of the biggest funders of terrorism, especially in the middle east and south american since 1950.

If you argue that terrorism can only be applied to guerilla warfare, you are essentially arguing that any violent opposition to the current political class is terrorism. Under your definition the Founding Fathers and French underground were terrorists.

>>54969475
Surely, the EU will save (some of) it, right?

Kek, stick to technology senpais

>>54969475
Has hillary actually said she would end net neutrality?

>>54969658
To tell the truth, the President of the US is a thing on its own. It mostly doesn't matter who is in the office, since most political programmes and strategies are far reaching (both in time and scale). Sure, people get to have some of their ideas made to work (ex. obamacare), but mostly and the most important crap, gets carried on.

>>54969475
"Net Neutrality" was a big lie pushed by pro US-Gov/NWO organizations claiming to support the people only to undemocratically federalize the Internet and further absorb it into the FCC, to allow government censorship of political dissenters and also to enforce federal demands on private corporations. If full 'Net Neutrality' and 'Completely Unlimited Bandwidth' become standard in the United States, ISP servers will come screeching to a halt as numerous gaymers, weeaboos, pirates, netflix-ers, and so forth fill the networks with garbage, undermining legitimate data such is e-mail, banking, communications, etc.

>>54969747
>Entire republican party against their defacto nominee.
We'll see. anon.

>>54972557
>that horrible FUD
Time to leave the USA, honestly. This country is fucked. Not only by its so-called "leaders" but the dipshits that believe every fucking idiotic lie pushed into their poisoned brains.

>>54972577
Are you calling what I said a lie? I have seen this shit. During the late evening/early morning (12am-6am) and the afternoon before everyone comes home from work, I can download upwards of 3MiB/s but during the evening and popular use times, I can barely get 300KiB/s. Explain that.

>>54972457
Kek

>>54972528

Military policies are well within the President's pervue. At the end of the day, the President signs off on these large policy decisions and should be held responsible for them.

>>54969501
>average /pol/ack intelligence

>>54969828
Who's the libertarian?

>>54970090
>you fucking nigger the stealthy cia shit is what doesnt work.
But it does, it's just the outcome doesn't meet your expectations.

>>54972616
Your ISP is fucking you in the ass and lying to you about congestion to shut you up when you complain.

>>54972689
Then explain why internet "happens" to slow down during that time of day. I also heard someone who had my same issue and guess what? There's nothing even the ISP can do about it, there's just traffic on the node or some shit and they can't do crap about it without ripping up streets.
Also,
According to AT&T(not my ISP), they have installed bandwidth caps because 2% of their users use more data that the rest ever will, if you think imposing a system that allows a small amount of people to gain leverage over the majority is a good system, especially when that small percentage doesn't have legitimate traffic, you're either living in a fantasy world or one of them.

>>54970239
>>54970150
Daily reminder that ISIS is an US-made entity created solely to wreck shit in the region for the profit of the US, Israel and Saudis.

>>54970317
Who do you think is a good candidate for building a new ISP, which essentially means building tons of new infrastructure? I agree with your sentiments regarding net neutrality but I think your suggesting is a pipe dream.

>>54971393
>>54969811
Show me a law she broke.

>>54969507
I'm seriously amazed, considering how many psychopaths are in America, that more assassination attempts aren't made of influential figure heads

>>54969843
>>sanders running entirely on hopeful millennials who know nothing about politics
Just like trumptards.

>>54972740
They are fucking lying to you dude.
If they give you bullshit about the node or their provider being congested its 100% bullshit.

If you look up Level 3 or whoever your ISP goes through when you are experiencing issues there won't be any.

Also the 2% of users using all the bandwidth is bullshit because most of the bandwidth is going to be Netflix and Youtube.

You need to face the reality that they are deliberately fucking with you to get you to upgrade to their highest tier, and even if that isn't the case, the ONLY other viable explanation is that something is legitimately wrong with your connection and its cheaper for them to fucking lie to you.

>>54972782
This. Not that the alternatives are much better, but Sanders and Trump are both populist idiots with absolutely no substance.

>>54969501
>When trump realises
Yeah. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
>>54969507
This is what would happen in any civilized country.

>>54972867
What do you mean 'goes through'?
I don't know but when I'd do a traceroute on google for example it just lists my isp and nothing else...

Anyways, I'm sure that I'm done here, I haven't read my ISP's terms and conditions for a while but back about 3 years ago one of their usage terms was you couldn't criticize their service while using it, it's all a bunch of bullshit anyways but I'm still confused on exactly how they could even manage netflix, stuff like that with old ass copper cables. It's irrelevant, though, the bigger picture is any further merging of these shitty companies with our government is just asking for worse... everyone knows that most of the time something government funded turns out to be even shitter than the alternative, even when it doesn't seem possible.

>>54971691
>are you now distancing yourself from your own views from an hour ago because it lacks consistency?

my positions havent changed at all. what are you talking about you dumb nigger faggot? youre not even making points. youre just shitposting. or are you mad that whenever you write out your position it point out how retarded it is?

>>54969638
bernie has no chance mang
back to
>>>/r/eddit

>>54971145
Not at all, he's a space fairy!

>>54969475
THE INTERNET WAS BOUND TO LOSE IN THE END

THE WILD WEST DAYS OF THE INTERNET WERE GREAT

BUT IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO LAST

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something something america something

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gnu linux

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Just vote trump you idiots.

Who else are you going to vote for?