/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

I think I screwed something up. I was trying to mv an iso file to my USB and assumed it was sdb1, but I guess it wasn't?
sdb1 now can be mounted and unmounted even when I have no USB in, and I can view the files. WTF did I just do?

Just in case the other /fglt/ get deleted:

I've installed Debain on my machine, no DE. Wifi drivers work fine, but can't connect to anything around it. I deiced to install Debian again, this time with gnome and this time, it works! What am I missing here when I was just running openbox with network manager I couldn't even connect to my own network.

What am I missing here? I really don't want to use gnome

>>54913416
you can check what devices you have with
lsblk
then you can guess what it is by looking at the size of sdb1, also
mount
gives you information what is mounted where

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This is linux related so why not
Am I missing something /g/?

>>54913522
sudo chmod 770

>>54913549
Sudo doesn't exist
This is why I am using su

>>54913457
ok so lsblk doesn't list sdb1, but it's still in the dev folder. When I list my dev folder, my terminal colors it as if it's just a regular file and not an actual drive... and yet I can still mount it

>>54913522
does your phone actually have bash as a shell?

>>54913451
Maybe you did an expert install and included nonfree so that linux-firmware-nonfree or iwlwifi or bc43 got installed?

>>54913522
Why doesn't ls -l display anything?

>>54913572
It comes included yes

>>54913579
No fucking idea

>>54913522
I just read about permissions yesterday, so I I'm not sure I get this right.. but:
owner has rwx permissions (7), as does the group (7). Others have neither read, write, nor execute permissions.
Wouldn't root be "others"? How about 777 or 771?
>>54913561
maybe it -is- a file?

>>54913601
Trying doing ls -l when you're root
Maybe it doesn't display anything as normal user because you don't have read permissions in that directory?

most stable linux distro?
ubuntu?
im using for my dual core era laptop

>>54913651
I put xubuntu in my mom's 2006 laptop. runs fine

>>54913576
>iwlwifi
Was I not suppose install this? I'm a noob to this, and I'm not sure what you mean.

>>54913617
Permission denied
Even with 777

>>54913624
>>54913579
The listing was cut out somehow
Permissions are fine

>>54913306
II have a small ssd. Is it safe to put my home folder on my second drive?

>>54913651
for distro picking help, refer to the thread website:
http://fglt.nl/guides/picking-a-distro.html

>>54913733
during the partitioning put / partition and swap on the SSD (anything above 32GB should be just fine) and the /home partition on the HDD.

> Is it safe
It's actually the recommended type of installation.
Documents and media that usually make up majority of /home directories do not benefit from SSD read and access speeds. Putting a /home partition on an SSD is just waste.

>>54913766
That list is trash because it was obviously written by someone who isn't over his "let me use this chance to shit on distros I don't like" phase.

>>54913802
good thing you can change it then:
>I'd greatly appreciate any help in maintaining this list, and that includes suggestions for other distros in the list. You can have one added by sending in a MR on the repository.

>install arch on lenovo laptop
>fn+something shortcuts don't work except for backlight control
What do I do now? I managed to get broadcom wifi going, but how do I turn it off or on?
I also installed tlp, but how do I choose whether it should charge the battery or not when connected?

who else here /mastered regexps and sed after hours of writing scripts to download porn/

>>54913819
Luckily I'm over the "correcting people on the internet" phase.

>>54913688
Seems like some very phone specific issues. That's not acting like it should normally on a PC

>>54913688
>>54913522
I'm guessing the SD card was mounted automatically, and not by you through the CLI. Certain mount flags like "noexec" prevent execution of any file on the drive, even using root. Check how it was mounted, maybe look in your /etc/fstab if you have one

>>54913617
yeah file /dev/sdb1 outputs that it's just a regular file. it's just strange how mounting it gives me access to everything that would have been on the iso...
learn something new every day. I suppose i'm safe to delete it then?

>>54913382
okay, so now I need to "load" something called hid-wiimote?

>>54913910
i have no idea desu, i dont run ubuntu and i dont use xwiimote. i searched around a bit to find the correct package name

>>54913832
cool, I got audio hotkeys by installing xfce4-volumed

>>54913522
>>54913549
>>54913617
>>54913863
Fixed screenfetch not running by running chmod via recovery

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>>54913522
>>54913549
>>54913617
>>54913863
Fixed screenfetch not running by running chmod via recovery
Now I get this error

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So niggers. once for all. What is you fucking problem with APT?

Everythread I see faglords posting:
>apt
>not even once

Why is this a thing?

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Why is it that the best terminal emulator, Mintty, is only on Windows?

>>54914362
u r x v t

>>54914356
archfags being butthurt

>>54914362
ok bud, here is a (You)

>>54914369
>no True Color support
Pathetic.

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>>54914404
>being gay

>>54914207
Bump

hey /fglt/, what video games do you enjoy playing on GNU/Linux?

>>54914432
sakura dungeon

>>54914432
/vr/

>>54914362
yakuake/guake + tmux

>>54914432
OpenRA and some games from the gnome-games package

>>54914356
I'm using Arch, but apt seems fine to me. It's not as fast as pacman, although everything has advantages and disadvantages.

>>54913667
bumping for a answer.

>>54914432
The Cube 2 engine (original Quake -> Sauerbraten) is pretty popular. There are some forks like Red Eclipse and Tesseract - all of them give you a minecraft-like world editor inclusive FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fOpHRrOBJQ

>>54914356
my problems with Apt, compared to Redhat's DNF/Yum:

dnf is one command for everything. Apt has apt-get, aptitude, apt and probably even more.
I can do "dnf install", "dnf remove", "dnf list" and they all work as expected. If "dnf install" installs 10 packages, "dnf remove" removes 10 packages.
Apt on the other hand is confusing to me. "apt-get install" might install 10 packages, but "apt-get remove" doesn't always remove all of them again.
As far as I know, apt-get doesn't provide a way to search the repositories for a package, you have to use the apt or aptitude command instead.
Dnf lists packages line by line before installing and asks "install y/N?" so I can always check what I'm doing.
I've had apt-get simply start installing, even if it's something that unexpectedly has lots of dependencies. Also apt-get lists packages not line by line, but separated only by commas, which really isn't the most structured way to present that information
Apt is faster than dnf though, I'll admit that. And I vastly prefer "apt-get/dnf install" to "pacman -S". Can't remember what Syu and all that stands for with pacman

>>54914432
I play a lot of source games. I play very few games that don't support GNU/Linux, but when I do I use my passthrough.

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>>54914608
What is purge + autoremove

>>54914608
>>dnf is one command for everything. Apt has apt-get, aptitude, apt and probably even more.
- aptitude is a framework for apt, apt works without it
- apt is a new shortcut for apt-get
>I can do "dnf install", "dnf remove", "dnf list" and they all work as expected.
same with apt
> If "dnf install" installs 10 packages, "dnf remove" removes 10 packages.
same with apt
>Apt on the other hand is confusing to me. "apt-get install" might install 10 packages, but "apt-get remove" doesn't always remove all of them again.
apt has two options to remove packages, once is the simple"remove"; it only remoce the packages, then there is apt-get purge, wich will remove also configuration files, additionally there is apt-get autoremove, if you use it, it will ask you if requirements should also be removed within the package.
>As far as I know, apt-get doesn't provide a way to search the repositories for a package, you have to use the apt or aptitude command instead.
Sine apt caches with every update the repo mirrors, you can search them offline via apt-cache search <search string>
>Dnf lists packages line by line before installing and asks "install y/N?" so I can always check what I'm doing.
So does apt.
>Apt is faster than dnf though, I'll admit that.
The speed of the package manager always depents on the speed of the servers. If dnf feels slow for you, try servers near to your location.

When ever i use convert(imagemagick) to resize an image, it just outputs a few byte file thats just scrambled lines(like 90's tv).It's worked fine before.Did i miss something?

convert <file-input> -resize 640x480 <file-output>

>>54914767
I seriously should clean my keyboard, kek. Characters missing (RIP).

>>54914793

convert 1465084728564.jpg  -resize 640x480 out.jpg

worked as expected, any error messages?

>>54914207
>>54914424
>Permission denied
Try running the command as root

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>>54914825

>>54913306
does he only have one shirt?

>>54914825
No errors, it just creates the odd file.

>>54914432
unreal tournament
civ5

>>54914432
emulation
>epsxe

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>>54913306

>>54915041
I love this guy.

Thinking of installing Debian to mess with it over this summer and probably stick with it from september on when I get back to university.
Will I be able to get through the year with Debian? Could I bring it to uni without making a complete fool of myself when it fails to do some basic task?
I do programming and please don't recommend ubuntu. I'd rather not use any derivates of anything but the thing that started it

>>54914839
/usr/bin/env doesn't exist for some reason
Its located at /system/xbin/env
I tries changing !#/usr/bin/env bash to !#/system/xbin/env bash but it didn't work and returns same error

>>54915137
>I'd rather not be productive over some stupid principle

>>54915161
What are you even trying this? Screnfetch isn't able to fetch any informations about your phone anyway?

>>54915202
kil yourself, then leave the thread

>>54915137
Debian is breddy good. Just don't go with "stable". Get Sid. It provides a nice tui for installing and the wiki should help in case of problems.

>>54915202
because nobody ever uses Debian productively, sure
>>54915137
if you need MS Office and can't use LibreOffice instead you might have some trouble. You can use Wine for that though.
Most things can be done through the graphic environment, that should be easy enough.
Make a list beforehand of all the things you take for granted and then check if your laptop does them with Debian. If not, come back here and we can help you get back your functionality

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>>54915265
I like debian I've used it before, but installing it over Ubuntu just because of some esoteric guideline like 'not using any derivatives' is idiotic
>>54915229
No you

>>54915137
university student here, and i use debian full-time on my laptop.

I haven't had any trouble.

All of my professors require any written assignments to be submitted online in a pdf document (doc and docx are usually not allowed), so I haven't had to use MS office in years.

Make sure your wifi drivers work well, and that you can connect to networks quickly.

Make sure that you have graphics card support and that you can use hardware acceleration, as using software rendering for watching a video required for an assignment will be really shitty.

I use debian testing, but that or unstable will be fine.

stable has really old software.

>>54915259
>>54915265
>>54915388
Thanks guys
Would installing a windows 10 vm on it be a safer way to play it in case wine can't handle certain software?

>>54915343
Enjoy your canonical cock up the butt.

>>54915486
Wine can do more than you would expect, but you should alway search for a native and free equivalent instead.

>>54915496
The ethics of Canonical are irrelevant. I try not to use their software because of their ethics (mostly because they added web searches in their menu search), but Linux is built on derivatives over derivatives, denying this is imbecilic.

>>54915519
I know I know
Last thing I want to do is run linux as a host for windows emulation.
But it would be kinda hard to convince my lady we should stop skyping because it's not free software

>>54915651
https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/

>>54915623
Whatever excuse you may find, there is no excuse for using Ubuntu. It's the worst distribution that ever showed up. It's pure cancer and nobody should use it. I'd rather recommend Manjaro than Ubuntu. Ubuntu is Microsoft's BBF, Canonical gives a shit about the community, freedom, ethics, security, privacy; they're only interested in market share and stuff that "just works".

>>54915708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

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>>54915730
I'm not trying to defend Canonical, I'm saying the 'don't use software derivatives' meme is stupid.

>>54915708
Tried it.
On debian it couldn't find my camera. On ubuntu the image was darker that it would have been on windows.
Have to recognize I did not try messing with the drivers or anything else though

>>54915651
Show your lady a wireshark peak of data that skype sends home while it isn't even connected to any call.

>>54915798
True that anon. Ubuntu is more popular than Debian for a reason, even if it is derivative.

>>54915856
>for a reason
Literally same reason why Windows is popular.

>>54915730
>It's the worst distribution that ever showed up
Ubuntu was the sole reason that the Linux community even began considering prioritizing ease of use. You may not like some of their decisions, but it has been a net positive for Linux.

Meanwhile we've got Red Hat and their severe case of NIH peddling shit like systemd.

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>>54915923
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>54915941
I actively avoid GNU software because it triggers me. I'd appreciate you adding a trigger warning when you call it GNU/Linux, thank you very much.

Is there a way to viu the current desktop a user is using, with all the program windows opened and all, in Debian, without TeamViewer? I've tried VNC but it only show a new user desktop, without the opened program windows.

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>>54915941
>they posted it again

>>54915923
The end doesn't justifie the means. If people want proprietary drivers, steam, skype and AAA games, they're better with keeping windows - and Canonical get's that. What Cannonical currently does is porting free software to Windows, which is maybe another good thing, but at the end, it breeds people asking "Why even try GNU/Linux when Windows already runs all the Linux stuff?".

>>54916094
Because I know for sure that my OS is not spying on me, that if I study some more I can change my software to work how I want. That I have the freedom of choosing any DE I want to use if another one gets in the way. None of this can be done on windows.

But mostly, that the code is audited and guaranteed to not be malicious.

>>54916174
>But mostly, that the code is audited and guaranteed to not be malicious.
How about the Amazon lense?

>>54916094
That's not necessarily the case. Bringing proprietary software to Linux might seem bad initially, but it gets you market share. Market share is the driving force behind resource allocation for development. Had Ubuntu not brought Linux into the spotlight you probably wouldn't even be running Linux today. Diving straight into Linux with Slackware or Gentoo is not easy.

>>54916200
They removed it in 16.04.

>>54916208
>They removed it in 16.04.
It isn't removed, it's just disabled.

You're sure that something like that doesn't happen again?

why do people not like systemd?
what are the alternatives, and why would one switch to them?

>>54916226
I'm not sure that any number of intelligence agencies haven't backdoored the Linux kernel either. I do expect that Canonical will be fairly transparent about whatever spyware they add and make it easy to remove. I do understand that development has a cost, which is why I also accept that Firefox has Google/Yahoo with search suggestions as their default search engine.

>>54916208
>but it gets you market share
But GNU/Linux isn't about market share. Nobody is seeking for the "hurr durr, I'm using the most popular OS" goal; it's about having a free operating system, where the user is in control. Shipping this thing with proprietary software kills the whole purpose: why even using GNU/Linux? Windows runs proprietary software just better, since they have all driver licenses and copyrights right there.

>>54916315
>I'm not sure that any number of intelligence agencies haven't backdoored the Linux kernel either.
This is why you shouldn't use vanilla Linux.

>>54916315
all distros containing systemd have an nsa backdoor. there are few distros (among the ones that anyone actually uses) that don't have any backdoors, if any.

>>54916309
Systemd has usurped 90% of the services of a sytstem.It is supposed to be an init system, not replace all programs in one monolithic bag of dicks.
There are alternatives, though gentoo is really the only stable development of it. And all the other distros have shitty support,and zero upstream support when they break something

>>54914362
stterm tbqf

>>54916351
Fuck off kid, adults are posting.

>>54916309
Because it's slowly absorbing or replacing other projects in a way that isn't consistent with the historical nature of Linux.

It also departs from the way many administrators are used to doing things. For example, historically logs were in plaintext files that were easy to use with standard Unix utilities. Systemd stores logs as binary data and you need to use their utilities to read them. This is a bad precedent because you don't want every project to have their own special log format and utilities to read them. It's one of the reasons why Windows and its event logs are such fucking shit.

>>54916056
xforeward

>>54916365
>>54916377
see >>54916373

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>>54916373
I guess some adults just never develop any argumentative skills...

>>54916325
It's not so much that I want it to be the most popular OS as that I want it to be a usable OS. Bringing proprietary software to Linux doesn't hurt it. You always have the option of building something like Trisquel and pretending it doesn't exist. What it does do, is bring more support to Linux, including support for FOSS solutions because even proprietary software vendors often contribute to them.

>>54915941
He is using the chopstick wrong.

>>54916377
>Unix
I guess you're wrong here. This isn't the OS X thread.

>>54916379
What the hell is that? I can't find it anywhere.

>>54916412
Most of the standard utilities you have in Linux have their roots in Unix. Just because the GNU Project pretends they invented them doesn't mean they're not the same Unix utilities.

>But there's more at stake here than whether some of us have to eat some words. What's at stake is whether our community can effectively use the argument based on proprietary spyware. If we can only say, “free software won't spy on you, unless it's Ubuntu,” that's much less powerful than saying, “free software won't spy on you.”

>>54916434
They are completly rewritten and are not intendet to be Unix. GNU is not Unix, Linux is not Unix, it's as far it can go "unix like".

>>54916457
I prefer the term Unix Ripoffs if you're going to be pedantic about it.

>>54916478
That's better. Thanks!

is there any explanation as to why wget doesn't support globs? I'd love to have a single tool for all batch downloading needs, instead of both wget and curl

>>54916478
A rip would imply that the programs were copied, but they aren't. Even how; the programs were proprietary.

>>54916497
Tell me what you want to download, it's better to explain with actual example usage.

>>54916497
I'm not really sure how you could glob a URL other than making it a brute force attack. Can you elaborate more?

>>54916497
How could wget or curl support globs? It doesn tknow the external directoy structure. All you can do is brute-forcing ranges like {0..100} or simply download recursivly.

A is for awk, which runs like a snail, and
B is for biff, which reads all your mail.
C is for cc, as hackers recall, while
D is for dd, the command that does all.
E is for emacs, which rebinds your keys, and
F is for fsck, which rebuilds your trees.
G is for grep, a clever detective, while
H is for halt, which may seem defective.
I is for indent, which rarely amuses, and
J is for join, which nobody uses.
K is for kill, which makes you the boss, while
L is for lex, which is missing from DOS.
M is for more, from which less was begot, and
N is for nice, which it really is not.
O is for od, which prints out things nice, while
P is for passwd, which reads in strings twice.
Q is for quota, a Berkeley-type fable, and
R is for ranlib, for sorting ar table.
S is for spell, which attempts to belittle, while
T is for true, which does very little.
U is for uniq, which is used after sort, and
V is for vi, which is hard to abort.
W is for whoami, which tells you your name, while
X is, well, X, of dubious fame.
Y is for yes, which makes an impression, and
Z is for zcat, which handles compression.

>>54916527
I've already downloaded what I needed with curl

>>54916564
>>54916564
maybe my linux vocabulary isn't very good
I meant that curl supports [] and {} ranges whereas wget needs each separate URL. what do you call those?

>>54916663
Brace expansions. wget understands {1..100}

I cloned my sdd (40Gb) to a larger one (240Gb) by using dd as described here : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning#Cloning_an_entire_hard_disk


After that, I keep seeing a bunch of errors like

systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (12 items, 337 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address

on every boot.


After some research, I found a forum post describing my issue and providing a fix for it : https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/systemd-fails-to-write-4175527467/
I am unable to follow it through, so I'll do the most I can and describing what I get in this post.


I first rundmesg

The whole output is uploaded to http://pastebin.com/myb7EuHR

It contains a lot of error messages like :

[    3.568890] systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (9 items, 257 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address
[    3.568945] systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (9 items, 268 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address
[    3.568967] systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (9 items, 262 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address
[    3.568992] systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (9 items, 265 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address
[    3.569010] systemd-journald[179]: Failed to write entry (9 items, 234 bytes), ignoring: Cannot assign requested address

journalctl -xn

outputs http://pastebin.com/FVTKRYZj

journalctl --disk-usage

Archived and active journals take up 456.0M on disk.

which is less than 10% of my drive.

>>54916860
Your partion table is fucked. You dont dd/clone ssd's outside of backup purposes.
Backup with rsync and install on new ssd then copy over relevent data

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What's the best distro?

>>54916926
Arch, stay away from Debian tho.

>>54916926
Debian is the best

>>54916926
Debian, stay away from Arch, tho.

>>54916939
Why?

>>54916926
Best source-based: Gentoo Linux
Best binary-based: Arch Linux

>>54916926
Best source and binary based: Debian GNU/Linux

>>54916926
Arch is the perfect DIY distro

>>54916900
so you suggest me to do a fresh install then put back my modifications from my old drive?

>>54916998
>>54916989
>>54916978
>>54916969
>>54916960
>>54916947
>>54916939
So it's basically just Debian or Arch, aight?

>>54916926
Ubuntu

>>54917016
Debian if you want a wannabe freetard distro. Ubuntu > Debain

>>54917016
No. Just ignore the debian fag
It's either arch or gentoo

>>54917016
Arch is unstable and unreliable. That's why businesses don't use it. Debian is solid

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>>54917038

>>54917025
what's wrong with Debian?

>>54917013
Yes
See if your pacakge manager has a way list all th current packages,or throw them in a folder so you can reinstall them when you get setup

>>54917052
Nothing, envy Archfags.

>>54916926
Devuan

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>>54916926

>>54917052
No PPA

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>>54916926
Debian is the best. Arch suck balls.

>>54917082
Learn how to Debian:

http://www.webupd8.org/2014/10/how-to-add-launchpad-ppas-in-debian-via.html

>>54917093
^

>>54917093
>>54917115
Enjoy your shit package management

>>54917062
The thing I don't get is why dd everything from drive 1 to drive 2 is a bad thing. How is it any different from creating an image and restore it as described here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning#Restore_system ?

>>54914207
Run it as bash /sdcard/screenfetch-dev

>>54917118
Enjoy your bloated binary+source=1-package management. "minimal"fag.

>>54917124
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Partitioning#Partition_alignment

>>54917118
>He can't even choose if free or nonfree
>Gets all packages from one huge shithole

>>54917118
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

wow will I ever recover

>>54917082
Like that would be a bad thing. I have no idea why anyone trusts PPAs.

>>54917113
>Important: many Launchpad PPAs are not compatible with Debian, because the packages are built against specific Ubuntu libraries. Some Launchpad PPAs work in Debian though
>Some

Nice placebo

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>>54917140
Archfag on suicide watch

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>>54917140
>>54917153
>>54917156
>>54917167

>Buttblasted debqueens in charge of damage control
How is removing GNOME shell in the process of uninstalling games treating you?

>>54917153
>has to add 50 third party repos to get a base desktop install.
>is too te h illiterate to know what program they are installing

>>54916860
Did you disconnect your old hard drive? If not, it's probably wigging out over duplicate UUIDs.

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>>54917156
>Sudo apt-get upgrade
>sources conflict
>would you like to remove sddm?

>>54917184
>GNOME shell
who?

Can the friendly Linux thread help me install mint or will that get me a ban?

>>54917184
t. guy who fucked up his packages by not reading the manpages

>>54917206
Yes, the old drive is disconnected. After the cloning was done, I turned the computer off and switch them.

>>54917233
t. the guy who uses a distro that did not fuck up packages

>>54917209
see >>54917233
You shouldn't use GNU/Linux if you can't read documentations about how the programs work. It's not difficult. I'll show you: man apt. Was that so difficult? Let's try again:

man apt

. If all else fails, call the tech support.

>>54916056
Most solutions require you to start everything under some proxy but xpra has a (slow) shadow mode that should be able to scrape exciting sessions

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>>54917184
>>54917209
clueless archfag doesn't know how to manage his system

>>54915730
>canonical gives a shit about the community, freedom, ethics, security, and privacy
>they're only interested in market share and stuff that "just works"

>>54915623
>the ethics of Canonical are irrelevant
>I try not to use their software because of their ethics

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>>54917258
And? If I fucking want to remove games I don't want my WM removed. SHIT package management you got there

>>54917270
>Debqueen in maximum denial

>>54917249
It's called flexibility. If you can't use a package manager without a helping hand, go back to ubuntu and use the software center.

>>54917209
>sources conflict
you're literally making stuff up pal
there's /etc/apt/preferences and sources.list. preferences overrides sources.list for specific packages if you want it to and that's it.

>>54917286
>It's called flexibility
No it's called incompetent package maintainers

>>54917293
>having to add config options to install basic programs

So is this not a good place for advice?

Is ubuntu a good option for someone who wants to learn linux but still occasionally get shit done?

>>54917013
You could try playing with your partition table first

There is no reason to run Debian when Ubuntu exists.

You literally can't prove me wrong

>tfw unironically using ubuntu in a few of my machines but never bring it up so i don't get bullied

>>54917297
>>No it's called incompetent package maintainers
You're taling about Arch? I agree. I mean, all distros I can think of have actual package management, but Arch just throws everything into one repo. Free, nonfree, sources, binaries, ashtray, toilet paper. Pretty gay tbqh.

>>54917227
>go to mint homepage
>download the torrent
>burn ISO into DVD or USB drive
>put dvd or usb, turn off computer and turn on again
>follow graphical installer
>mint is now installed

>>54917314
whatchu need fám

>>54917342
>free
>non free
hey at least Arch does not want to be a freetard distro and people can actually remove stuff

>>54917324
I don't like cannonical and what they're doing, especially with that Mir bullshit.

>>54917310
>arch user
>not liking configs
Back in my day trolling meant something

>>54917368
You remind me a little bit of that Windows user who tried Linux, expected "Windows+R" would launch the command prompt - but it didn't. It. Just. Didn't. Fuck Linux.

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>>54916066
Here is a superior picture of St IGNUcius.

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>>54917374
Why are you still trying this hard, buttblasted debcuck?

>>54917435
You remind me of angry feminists who have literally no argument left

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>>54917441
Here is a superior picture of St IGNUcius.

>>54917323
what should i try to do?

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>>54917449

arch... arch was a mistake

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>>54917470
Here is a superior picture of St IGNUcius.

>>54917502
Point proven

How should I go about automating mounting an android phone with jmtpfs?

>>54917355
Trying to install mint. Dual boot with win 10. Uefi set to 'other os'. Make a 100 gb plus partition of free space for the os.

Made live USB using Rufus and everything works but when I attempt to install I simply doesn't acknowledge my HDD.

I also tried a DVD version but that wouldn't even boot. So anyone know how to install this thing?

Note I have installed several flavor of Linux in the past and have yet to see such a thing before.

>>54917345
Not working buddy. If only it was as easy as it used to be...

>>54917699
Then why use Mint? There are plenty of better alternatives.

>>54917716
Wait what? Why would mint itself be the issue? Id try Ubuntu but I'm not a fan of things being poo brown.

But yeah is mint no longer the just weeks distro?

I just tried to kill myself.

See you guys in a few months. (I know from experience it's 6 momnths to a year in hospital for this)

>>54917757
>But yeah is mint no longer the just weeks distro?
Mint is no longer recommended because it turns out the maintainers have no idea what the fuck they are doing and completely disregard security.

Wouldn't be surprised if their installer is a buggy piece of shit that can't detect partitions. Try 'lsblk' in a terminal and see if it shows up there.

>>54917881
Stop trolling. My mother has tried to kill herself at least five times and she never spent more than a month in the hospital.

>>54917699
>>54917714
right. UEFI boot. honestly I know nothing about that.
last time I did a fresh install I made it the only OS of the system. do you have a compatiblity BIOS mode in your UEFI options?
have you read https://linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_17.3.pdf?
also try searching dual boot here https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=46&sid=b40037f1674ca168c50995d24922c7a9

none of your problems are really mint-specific, but the explanations may be more friendly to a newcomer there. good luck!

>>54917912
Even with that command it only recognizes the usb...

Well if mint is shit what's the been 'it just werks' distro? Not Ubuntu...I can't live with poo Brown themes

give me list of top 5 must try newbie distros pls
Just gonna download them all and see what happens

>>54918068
>Even with that command it only recognizes the usb...
Then some shit is going on. Either Mint's kernel wasn't compiled with support for your hardware, your hadware is not supported by the Linux kernel, there's a bug, or some other weird shit is going on.

Try Ubuntu 16.04, that's the distro with the highest chance of working out of the box on any hardware. I recommend writing the ISO to your flash drive with win32diskimager if you only have Windows available.

>>54918236
gentoo
gentoo
gentoo
gentoo
hannah montana linux

>>54918262
Didn't think am1 socket was that obscure...

>>54918294
There are actually AM1 devices that use UEFI?

Anyway, it's not the socket, it's the chipset. And there are an absurd amount of device driver options in the kernel. It's possible yours just wasn't built in for whatever reason. Try a different distro with a different kernel config.

so is gentoo and arch for advanced users?

>>54918351
Asus motherboards yeah. If having uefi blows your mind I have an Athlon 5350 overclocked to 2.7...AM1 isn't quite as shabby as one might think. Particularly for a 30 dollar apu.

But regardless I suppose I'll try Ubuntu or something. I don't know my Linux these days. I've been out of it so long my first go to distro was mandriva...which apparently died in 2011 so yeah...

>>54913306
>you will never be fucked by the gnu messiah's freedom cock
Oh wait... I am constantly... And it really hurts.

so do any of you actually use Linux for work?
It seems every time someone asks people just mention how they use it very little or just as a hobby.

Does anyone have any idea as to why my vpn doesn't work properly? The moment I route all web traffic through it my internet connection stops working. I have followed every step in the arch wiki to set the server, client, and the firewall (iptables rules).
Am I doing it wrong or is there something else I'm not doing?

How do you choose your packages?
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?page=1&
hole fuck there so much shit

>>54918850
Yes. I use Ubuntu on my workstation. We also heavily make use of Ubuntu Server. All said it's probably 1:1 Ubuntu Server to Windows Server 2008 R2 in our environment.

>>54919156
which do you like more?

>>54919175
It really depends on what you're referring to. I obviously like working out of a Linux environment better since that's what I set up on my workstation. I RDP to a Windows 7 VM whenever I need something that only Windows supports.

As for on a server, I generally prefer Linux as well. Not necessarily Ubuntu Server, that's just what was already in use and it's important to keep things consistent when you're working with other people. But there are certain things that are easier on Windows Server. For example, Active Directory is pretty much an industry standard. Apparently Red Hat has their own alternative, FreeIPA, but I've never used it.

>>54914432
SuperTuxKart.
I'm not kidding, the game is actually really addicting.

>>54914432
Nethack. Seriously, once you understand how to play it, it's a pretty nice game to pick up and play any time.

fedora any good?

>>54913306

whos dat reporterchick?

>>54919670
it's ok, have had it on my desktop for a couple months now.

no big troubles with it, might be jumping distros soon because of me being a dirty distrohopper

>>54913667
they include proprietary drivers for a few very common wifi chips. They get installed during the installation when needed if you enabled nonfree sources in the expert install option in the netinstall. because this is the only way what happened for you makes sense. task-gnome-desktop (the metapackage that installs gnome during the installation) does not include drivers.
Network manager only makes it easier to connect to your wifi.
the debian wiki article on wifi is a good read.
>>54914432
0ad, redeclipse, extreme tux racer, torchlight 2

>>54918850
I could do my work on most mainstream kernels actually.

>>54918472
No, it is for people that like those distros.

Systemd BTFO

>ArchBang is now systemd free, starting with summer release we will be shipping with OpenRC init system.

>>54920295
Manjaro BTFO

>>54919492
DCSS is superior

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i'm trying to remove a botched install of xen, bootup just takes me to linux recovery even after removing all of the xen related packages, hangs after dev-disk-by xen something. anybody know how to fix this? i'm on debian. thanks! :)

>>54918268

)I just realized that Hannah is a palindrome.

>>54918908

Are you stupid? You install things you find yourself in need of.

>>54920295

>i don't know how to [package manager] install openbox tint2: the distribution

They sure showed everyone.

>>54920569
Have to reinstall the kernel w/o xen.

>>54918858
You are redirecting your own private network to the tunnel.post your iptables output

>>54920629
how?

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Is KDE Neon ready for daily usage? I really like KDE, but at the same time my laptop works better only with *buntu based distros.

Afaik Kubuntu sucks and the rest has no updates at all.

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I want to increase the 20gb partition by about ten gigs, but the free space is unreachable as the 112 gig partition is to its right.
Will I have to boot from a live CD to increase the size of my /dev/sda9 partition?

>>54920785
Just install OpenSuse tumbleweed, KDE is developed on it

>>54920733
Mount filesystem as RW,search for the .debian in your cache and install.if not found ,rescue CD
http://askubuntu.com/questions/28099/how-to-restore-a-system-after-accidentally-removing-all-kernels

>>54920796
Yes, you cant the partition you are booting from

>>54920816
.deb fking corrector

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Already tried.

The graphics drivers sucks for people with Optimus (Nvidia + Intel).

While in *buntu I need to logoff every time to change cards, at least I have the best power management and performance.

>>54920817
the operations i need to do would be these, right?
1. mmove sda10 about 10 gigs or so to the right
2. increase sda9 by those 10 gigs

>>54919670
Hell yes, it made me stop distrohopping and settle for good

>>54920806

Meant to quote. >>54920828

>>54920833
0. make a backup
3. wait many hours

>>54916655
*clap clap clap*

>>54916926
Anyone that says anything other than Linux Mint (Cinnamon), or Fedora is lying to you.

>>54920879
ah right, backups. thanks for the reminder. good thing i have a tb external

>>54920915
Linux Mint is not trustworthy in regards to security. You should not recommend it to anyone.

>>54921035
How are they not?

>inb4: reference to their WEBSITE being hacked for less than a day

>>54915651
say that her nudes will be safer with jitsi

>>54920915
fuck off tripfag, your advice is garbage and recommending distros based on a DE or based on a based on distro is retarded.

I put laptop-mode-tools on my laptop a bit ago and it froze completely so I had to hard reset it.
Now almost everything is broken (segfaults in almost every single program, both Qt and GTK-based programs are broken and unresponsive, etc.)
Am I just SOL and will need to reinstall or can the install be salvaged?

>>54921119
Science is knowledge built upon knowledge that was built upon. You're basically saying the equivalent of "religion is more reliable than science because science is based on an idead, based on an idea, while religion sticks to their guns."

It makes no logical sense.

>>54921135
your comparison is garbage, fuck off tripfag

>>54921124

I don't see how power management software can fuck that thing up. Just remove LMT and be done with it. Try TLP instead.

Has anyone here ever used BLAG GNU/Linux? I wanted to try it as my first GNU/Linux OS for over a year now, but the download site has been down since last summer and I'm not sure how to get it.

Alternatively, do you have any recommendations for which GNU/Linux OS (completely free) I should get instead?

>>54921155
>I don't see how power management software can fuck that thing up
And yet it has nonetheless. systemd throws out all kinds of warnings when it's starting and almost everything is breaking. I had to ssh in just for it to let me remove LMT, and even then the problems still persisted.

>>54921181
does your hardware work on completely free distross? start with trisquel or gnewsense. if it does need proprietary drivers go with debian or fedora (both have sane free software guidelines)

>>54921071
Yes, that's obviously a problem. They can't even secure their own servers, let alone your desktop. But there are other reasons. They also don't issue security advisories, because they don't know anything about security. They delay security updates because they're too incompetent to push them out immediately without breakages. They actually have a package blacklist[1], where they specify that some packages are never updated. Anything with a 4 or a 5 on that list will not receive updates by default. Like your display server. And the Linux kernel.

All of this so you can get a pretty theme for Cinnamon out of the box. It's disgusting that you would actually recommend Mint to a new user.

[1] https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules

>>54921203
Fuck. People insult Manjaro's security practices but at least those guys actually improved things when they found out that they were being stupid.

>>54920915
don't you dare comparing my beloved Fedora with that dirty should-have-just-made-a-DE-instead-of-a-distro project.
>>54921071
your agenda is showing. It wasn't only their website that was hacked twice, but also twice their forum database and, oh, right, you conveniently forgot to mention the backdoored ISOs.

For anyone without an agenda who is wondering if it's time to stop recommending/using Mint, read this article:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-linux-mint-hack-is-an-indicator-of-a-larger-problem/

>>54921203
So basically they prioritize stability. Sounds exactly like what a Noobie would be looking for.

I also don't want shit that might fuck my OS being pushed out by default. If you do you can get it individually or change the default action.

>>54921230
What back door? You mean the one linked to for less than one day, was direct download only, and would have failed a hash check?

>>54921255
>So basically they prioritize stability
No, Debian prioritizes stability. Yet, somehow they don't have any of that asinine shit. Ubuntu also manages to have millions of users and not break randomly without resorting to Mint's bullshit. Mint developers are just incompetent and use stability as some way to hand wave away their faults.

Hell, them not issuing security advisories should speak enough about that. That has nothing to do with stability. And they actually tell you to use Debian's or Ubuntu's lists instead. So why not just use Debian or Ubuntu?

>>54921255
>So basically they prioritize stability. Sounds exactly like what a Noobie would be looking for.
So does Manjaro, yet they manage to keep their system rock-solid and have a better security policy.
Plus you can get Manjaro with Cinnamon, if that's the reason that you actually like Mint.

Something extremely spooky just happened I connected to my webserver in the browser like usual and google chrome showed me what the page looked like several minutes ago for a split second? apache2 glitch or google chrome glitch or wtf?

>>54921351
It just showed you the cached version of the page, then checked and saw that there was a newer version so it displayed that instead.

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>>54917132
Hero

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no one is posting.. are you all plotting your next attack?

What is the point of RHEL? Can't I just use any other distro for my "enterprise"?

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>>54922338
kek
it is night in the US
>>54922387
you can' the point is their customer support, if you don't need that you can just get CentOS (which is basically older RHEL) or Debian for your servers for stability and community support.

>>54922424
Thanks.

>>54922387
Businesses use RHEL for the support, mostly. If you just want RHEL you can use CentOS, which is compiled from RHEL source code but obviously comes without the support.

systemd-networkd

How do I setup a maclan interface on OVH network?
I have a normal ip 1.2.3.4 witha n assigned mac address, it works.
OVH assigned me another ip, with different mac address.
How to set that up?

>>54922424
CentOS is not 'older rhel', it's as often updated as the paid distro.

>>54922464
Im meant macvlan network

Hey boys, I'm searching for a nice 1337 TUI network manager. Any suggestions?

>>54922483
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/iproute2

>>54922483
There's wicd-curses.

>>54922480
>>CentOS is not 'older rhel', it's as often updated as the paid distro.
Really? I didn't know that, thanks for the info. >>54922483
nmtui

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Thoughts?

>>54922697
if you NEED to use Arch but don't want to install it manually - why not.
But at that point, why not use Debian netinstall or similar?

>>54922737
Debian is clearly superior, but sadly there's no AUR.

>>54922754
plebians #rekt

>>54922754
If you really need something from the AUR, just check the related PKGBUILDs (what Arch users should also do anyway).

As example: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=lemonbar-git
is basically just git clone and make.

>>54922697
Absolute fucking shit
Just install Arch normally

>>54922829
This

>>54922829
With checkinstall instead of install, you can also create a comfy package (so apt can manage it like any other package).

>>54922863
wew lad did your autism get triggered just now?

>>54922863
If see your opinion, but it sadly lacks of arguments. What if someone gets bored with the install process? Automating it isn't a bad idea.

>>54913306

Stall man doesn't have a PhD and shouldn't call himself Dr

You should remove the GNU from this thread and stop using that fat sham for your OP pictures.

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>>54922989

>>54922464
Is anyone else doing more complicated shit here?

>>54922989
If you don't like the thread then you have your option to get out.

GNU/Linux users are not interested in your opinion

>>54923008
A reply is asking for another reply.
Just don't reply.

>>54913306
>DON'T BE XXXXXXX PAY CASH
What does it say there?

>>54923030
tracked

>>54923008

The sad thing is you already know you're wrong

Face it. He's a try-hard. He calls himself Dr. Stallman despite only having honorary degrees. That would be like Kanye West calling himself Dr Kanye West. But he doesn't because even he knows that's pretentious.

If Kanye West is less pretentious than you, you're doing something wrong.

Stallman is a gargantuan faggot who calls himself a 'doctor' without having gained a PhD, destroys any credibility he has by acting like an ass "I'm not glad he's dead but I'm glad he's gone" and his only real claim to fame is contributing to the creation of Linux.

Without Linus and Linux the GPL and FSF would have faded into obscurity. They only reason anyone pays them any heed now is because of the (negligible) help it gave Linus back in the early days of Linux.

If anything the FSF should rename itself Linux/FSF, simply because the Linux project and Linus are the only reason anyone would pay them any attention now.

Stallman's work is just a footnote in the history of Linus's achievements. He should be grateful for that, otherwise he would be nothing.

Demanding people call Linux GNU/Linux is audacious.

>wrote emacs
Contributed to guy steele's TECO macros, later cloned gosmacs, the actual first emacs for UNIX. If stallman wrote emacs, apple is the sole creator of webkit.
>wrote gcc and gdb
He wrote the C compiler initially, but the vast majority of development for other compilers and the C compiler has came from non-stallman sources.

And he hasn't programmed in years. Stallman is washed up, and his justifications for copyleft are horribly invalid nonsense that would make more sense if they were actual thinly veiled communism instead of selfish ramblings and a desire for a world that catered to his specific social class.

>>54923030
Tracked.

is there any low overhead usable linux distro?

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>>54923041
Nice pasta.

>>54923055
DO

NOT

REPLY

FAGGOTS

>>54923044
>>54923039
Thanks

>>54923041
RMS got honorary degree awards multiple times, just like Albert fucking Einstein.

>>54923129
see >>54923064

>>54923138
>>54923064
>If something challenges my point of view, I and everyone else should ignore it
Fuck off.

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>>54923055
>>54923064
>>54923129
>>54923138
>>54923158
today i will remind them

>>54923158
We discussed the topic one million times already. The text block is simply bait and bait isn't worth any reply.

>>54922981

How often do you install Arch that you get bored of it?
If you're in a position where you need to install Arch on multiple computers often, you're surely advanced enough to be able to create your own little install script.

Unfortuantely my vocabulary isn't big enough to find a word why you and everyone else using those idiotic installers are retarded.

>>54923203
Why make an install script when there is one already?

-> >>54923253

>>54923129

And J.K Rowling for her ground breaking research into Wizards.

>>54923239

Because it's a convoluted mess, more complicated than installing it by hand.

Hey /fglt/, how do I set a fan curve with an AMD video card? I'm using fglrx and I can't find a setting for it.

Since BSD threads are almost all shitposting, what I am I liable to get better performance out of, some BSD flavor (probably Free/PC) or Gentoo if I compile everything from source on both?

>>54923999
fancontrol, UEFI

>>54924297
2% if at all

>>54924310
Is BSD at all better than Linux?

>>54924323
depends on the usecase, for most stuff GNU/Linux will be more convenient.

>>54924457
What I figured. There's even less software for BSDs, but I suppose if you're running a server they're not so bad. OpenBSD in particular seems to be the best if you're not terribly concerned with performance, since the security is top notch.