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Old thread is +300 let us start anew.
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1st for W701ds
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>>45526283
What a behemoth. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't erect.
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Muh old fleet. Most have been sold off.
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>>45526373
I'm sure they are proud to have called you user.

Meanwhile, I wonder when (if?) lenovo will stop the chiclet-key/chinkpad nonsense.
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>>45526581
Island style keyboards are probably here to stay. The next generation of T series and X series are allegedly going to return to dedicated TrackPoint buttons, however.

Pic related: simpler times
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>>45526581
Arguably there's nothing wrong with the chiclets design. I'm going to say that most people on /g/ can type on their keyboard without looking at it so why would it bother you?

The real problem is the keyboard layout which has been utterly fucked.

The removal of the trackpoint buttons is a step back in usability. The clickpad takes a stupid amount of force to activate and it's really quite fatiguing to use, not to mention the loud noise.

Removing the status LEDs was a step back as well, how can I see if my disk is just being thrashed vs. a complete lock up.

The lack of inner metal rollcage is also a step back for durability, along with the use of soldered RAM.

Source: I had to use a T440p for a while
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Hey /g/, I got an X220 for 4000 MXN (~270 usd)

How did I do?

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-471892833-laptop-lenovo-thinkpad-x220-seminueva-_JM
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How hard is to fix a IBM X40?

I'm planning on buying a "wont turn on" Thinkpad X40 w/charger and everything. Seems like its a hard drive problem.

Is it worth the 20 bucks?
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>>45527148
if it doesnt power on, then how can it be a HDD related problem?
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>>45527191
the description was vague. The vendor says it powers on, but then it crashes and doesn't load windows.
I read on the wiki that X40 are prone to hard drive failures because they use 1.8" drives.
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are any of the lenovo thinkpads good? I like the idea of getting an IBM one but the thought of buying some guys cum encrusted used laptop is nauseating
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>>45527210
Those 1.8 inch drives are painfully slow.
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>>45526273
I have debian on a t510. Sound keeps tearing or glitching when songs change. What do?
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>>45526686
Truth
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>>45527298
Look for a refurb T420. The last of the ThinkPads with the classic keyboard +Sandy Bridge. Should be a viable daily driver for a few more years.
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>>45527298
T61p with a non Nvidia GPU/Nvidia GPU made after 08/08

Bonus points for 15.4" screen
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please explain to me why thinkpads are so renown and why /g/ circlejerks them
i'm legitimately interested
pros and cons?
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>>45527647
le lurk more
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>>45527647
-Enterprise grade durability
-Modular design makes repairs fairly simple
-Affordability of used/refurb models on eBay
-Vintage aesthetic with roots to the early 90s that /g/ users connect with

Basically they are the anti-MacBook, although this has become less true over the years as Lenovo has bastardized the ThinkPad line with "me too" MacBook features (huge trackpad, island style keyboard, function key nonsense).
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>>45527647
It's a meme, Elitebooks are better in every way
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>>45527647
Jesus fuck all these newfags who can't bother to research on their own. But fine, I'll spoonfeed you this once:

Pros:
>used ThinkPads are cheap
>good *nix support
>T, X and W series have amazing build quality
>very modular with many aftermarket parts to choose from

Cons:
>older models have outdated hardware that are prone to failure
>some models can be pretty heavy if you're a limpwristed faggot
>looks boring/ugly (subjective)

Note that newer ChinkPads with chiclet keys, clickpad and no trackpoint buttons have much lower build quality and are considered not "true" ThinkPads

Lurk moar if you wish to truly comprehend /g/'s fetish over this line of machines
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>>45527793
>HP

Enjoy your housefire
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>>45527815
>looks boring/ugly

I've never understood this downside. Thinkpads are IMO beautifully designed because they have such a strong design statement that they make themselves immediately recognizable. They're on the same level as mbp or mba but the antithesis of their design philosophy.
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>>45527926
It looks boring and ugly if you buy into the marketing that Mac has the best aesthetics.

To me the beauty of a thinkpad is a machine that looks serious and is ready to do serious work. Computers are tools, not toys.
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>>45526686
But T440p doesn't have soldered ram. It's the T440, T440s and X240 that have it.

So coming from the previous thread and the keyboard question >>45527811
Is it really about the layout more than anything?
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>>45528162
The feel. ThinkPad keyboards (even the post 2012 island style) have a tremendous tactile feel to them. There really isn't anybody who comes close to topping the ThinkPad keyboard even in 2014.
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should I go for it /tpg/

apparently the hardware will work well with linux

http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201307-13930/
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>>45528291
I suggest you wait until T450 line pops up next year and a buy a used T420 or X220 if you want that USB 3.
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>>45528162
Yes it is just the layout.

From the Sandy Bridge line to the Ivy Bridge (first gen with chiclet) they use the same exact switches underneath the key caps.
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>>45528671
Kinda waiting for that now, not going to need one for alteast another 3 months so i'm really hoping the price on a T420 with a 1600x900 panel drops down.

Elsewhere i'm going for a Dell E6420, since there isn't enough of a difference between in them terms of reliabilty and hardware.
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>>45526685
Where do you get your carbon fiber, and do they give out free samples? I only need enough to cover my trackpad.

On another note, Captchas are different now? I can on;y see them with Appchan off, and I only had to click a button
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What's a fair price for a X301?
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>>45528856
Wouldn't it more economical to buy a T420 with a lower quality panel and buy the 1600x900 panel separately that you would then install yourself?
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>>45526273
threadly reminder that thinkpads are mostly bad
loving these new recaptchas btw
gj jewt
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>>45528915
Also true, however if one does pop out with a decent price on it i don't mind.

If it saves me two hours of tinkering with it's all the better.
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>>45528856
Except the E6420s are ugly as can be with that disgusting orange border around the keyboard.
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can anybody here speak to the accuracy of the fingerprint reader on the t420?

I plan to use it instead of entering my password for things like sudo, but the one other time i used a finger-print reader for this it was hit or miss and not very consistent, even when i did the exact same motion with my finger
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let him buy the dell... less demand for thinkpad then it's better for our thinkpad circlejerks... bringing the price down.
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>>45528162

>>45526686 here, yes the layout kills what is truly the best laptop keyboard in the market hands down.

Honestly, I'm going to say in terms of solidity and tactile feel it beats the old style keyboards hands down.

Also soldered RAM is inexcusable when Dell and HP are shipping equivalent laptops with 2 SODIMM slots.

>>45528280
Agreed.
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new captcha is worse than the old one.
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>>45529011
When's E7450 coming out, mister marketer?
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>>45529022
Well then, any other alternatives in this quality/price group?
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>tfw being productive on a thinkpad
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>>45529096
HP has made a crime by not making a newer laptop with the customize options similar to that of 2570p. It's a beast, upgradeable from dual core to quad core, two ram slots, 100whr battery for those 12 hour work times and 20 hours of idle, can set up a RAID 0. The only bad point is the screen.
http://forum.techinferno.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/2537-12-5-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge.html
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>>45528671
is there an expected release time for it? I'd love to wait for the improved version but I'm looking to get a laptop in the near future.
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>>45529309
I know, it's a shame.

What a beast in such a small package.
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>>45529417
Will most likely have to wait half a year. If you need one in the coming month, don't wait, buy another.
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I've owned a T43,T60,T61,T400,T410,T420,T430, and T440p. The T440p feels just as solid as the T420/30 and in some ways (USB placement for example) it is superior. T430 has its USB3 ports in a hard to reach place where some connectors won't fit.

I use the trackpoint exclusively and adjusting to the touchpad buttons actually was fairly easy. It feels okay and is only marginally worse than the traditional buttons. I'm glad they are likely returning with the *50 line but I could get over it if they didn't.

What I dislike most is the function keys. Screwing with the fn key is a real bummer.
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>>45528291

>>45529787 here, I'm thinking about getting the T440p. Overall it sounds like you're happy with your purchase. Would you recommend it out of the thinkpad lineup?
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>>45529851
fucked up quoting since 4chan x is kill and I'm not used to the bare bones site, sorry about that
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>>45529851
Yeah it is the best you're going to find if you are looking for a classic ThinkPad. The build quality is solid. Parts are easily upgraded via a single big back panel which is held by two screws. Traditional hinges. Ultrabay. Oh and nother thing that has improved from the T430 is that the speaker grills are no longer on facing upwards waiting to be filled with dust.

It's a well built business laptop with some disappointing but bearable compromises in the TrackPoint department.
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Would going from an Intel Celeron 847 to an i5-2520M grant a noticeable leap in performance? Currently deciding to buy an X220, but seeing as it costs about 350€ where I live, I am not sure if it's worth it.
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>>45530159
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-2520M-vs-Intel-Celeron-847

you tell me
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>>45530006
I've heard the screen is lackluster in the T440p. would you agree?
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>>45530242
>Louis Rossman
>that thinkpad design rage video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEZMNXz1JY

The hero that Lenovo needs, but doesn't deserve
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Who wants to sell me a t420 since good one are apparently impossible to find in AU.
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Any new ThinkPads coming up? I like the ThinkPads, but they are too bulky for my liking. I like the Carbon X1 and the X240.

Currently, I own an Ideapad S10-3 which is really beautiful. I want something similar looking to this.
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>>45526283
lenovo really needs to remake this but with updated specs

also, im looking for ID card ideas, gimme what you got
>tfw not a card carrying memeber of thinkpad nobility because there is no card
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>>45530581
I'd be surprised if Lenovo sold more than 10k units of the W700ds + W701ds.
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>>45530494
>really beautiful

the fuck? that thing is ugly as hell
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>>45530628
they probably didnt market them right

these things are pretty much the pinnacle of mobile workstations
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>>45530877
Do you remember how expensive these machines were when new?

Easily $3k+

Apart from the PowerPC ThinkPads these must be one of the rarer ones.
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>>45530922
decked out w series cost 3k right now
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>check T60p's specs in speccy
>HDD I put in is going with SATA II 3GB/s speed
what can't this thing do?
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>>45530479
I bought a T420 for $340 AU last week. i5 2540M, NV 4200M graphics, 900p screen. Great condition. Just gotta hunt around for them.

Mind you they told me the screen was 1366x768 so I did get a good deal in that regard.
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>>45531100
Same thing happened with my X61 tablet, which claimed it was 1024*768. Best of all, the screen was the X60's model that doesn't have adhesive in it.
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>>45531100
Can anyone give me a hand? I have this laptop and I'll be getting a Series 3 dock in a couple of days which will have a monitor attached to the DP and a monitor attached to the DVI. How would I go about automatically enabling those monitors with xrandr and disabling the internal laptop monitor (I'd rather keep it closed). I'm running Arch.
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>>45531299
If you're on wireless rather than a wired network, your wifi signal will go to shit if you close the laptop. Just something to note.

Also, if you haven't already bought the dock, try looking for a Mini Dock Series 3 *Plus*. It's a little wider but it has two DP, two DVI, and an eSATA port.

They usually only go for a little more over the non-Plus docks.
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>>45531443
Yeah I bought the dock yesterday, I'll only be connecting 2 monitors and I don't use eSATA so wouldn't make use of it anyway. In Ausland the Plus docks go for quite a lot more too, I bought my non-plus for $75.
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What ThinkPad would be roughly equivalent to a 2014 15" MacBook Pro in specs?
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>>45530479
b in melbourne m8
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>>45531808
15" 2014 T and W-series ThinkPads...?

it's not that hard to look up the specs yourself
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Is it safe to get a $30 Chinese 9cell instead of genuine Lenovo?
$100 for a new battery really took me aback. That's almost as much as I payed for the laptop.
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>>45532015
what model ThinkPad?
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>>45531818
Adelaide, unfortunately. So even gumtree isn't really an option.
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I inherited a T410. It is occasionally giving me "fan error", but I figure if I replace the fan it could still have lots of life in it.
Would upgrading from 4gb ram to 8gb give noticeable improvement, say in photoshop?
Can I put an SSD in this thing?
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>>45532165
Usually you know whether or not you need more RAM.

Yes you can put an SSD in it. Two of them even, if you wanted to.
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>>45532183
oh cool! so one for the OS and one for storage?
I have Windows 7 64 bit, is it worth trying 8.1 or waiting for 10?
Also, currently playing Half-Life with the clit mouse and it's surprisingly playable!
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>>45532165
>"fan error"
Most likely it's accumulated dust or faulty fan. Worst case, broken fan mobo sensor

>Would upgrading from 4gb ram to 8gb give noticeable improvement
Yes
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>>45532165
Is your peak commit (you can view this in task manager) after a day's work higher than 4GB? If so, upgrade.
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>>45532015
Bumping for this. I have a T420 and am interested in getting a chink 9Cell
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>>45532277
it says commit: 2030 / 7909

>>45532272
last time it gave frequent fan error, a friemd fixed it with silicon spray. I'd feel better with a replacement, but not sure if i should attempt diy or go to a store
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>>45532227
Stick with Windows 7.

You can get an "Ultrabay hard drive caddy" to replace your CD drive, and stick a second drive in there.

But if you're going to swap an SSD into it, you should probably stick that in the main drive bay in case you actually need the CD drive for something...
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>>45530875
Opinion, motherfucker.
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Just got my first thinkpad. A refurbished X1 with sandy bridge i7 and 8GB of ram. Very first thing I did is install Windows 10. Actually a very nice machine, works well runs all my VMs nicely. Only regret is not getting one sooner.
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>>45532927
>Windows 10
ISHYGDDT
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>>45532927
>Sandy Bridge X1

how's your battery life?
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Any news on what to expect for the *50 series?
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>>45533027
other than the T550p and W541?
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>>45532963
why not? its not like its going to stay that way, it'll probably have debian or something on it soon enough. I just dislike windows 7.

>>45532969
Much better than the computer it replaced, an asus ROG series monstrosity. So to me it feels like the battery lasts forever.
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>>45533027
plastic, bad oversized touchpad, chiclet shitboard
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>tfw linux with TLP gives better battery life than windows 7/8
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So, /g/ what ThinkPad purchases have you gotten?

>nabbed a 2x 770X hard drive caddies for about 13 bucks. Usually they are overpriced on eBay, the damn HDD is thick too, at least 15mm, the caddy is about 19mm.

>got a bubbly X61T for $30 that is probably missing ram, got an extra X61 mobo that I'll swap, probably will sell it for $110

>got a T400 and R400 for $55, T400 missing an UltraBay, R400 might just be missing ram it doesn't boot, hoping the R400 just needs that. gonna grab an HDD and resell for about $90, might hack the R400 into a Z61t chassis I have, ultrabay and USBs will most likely be destroyed.

>T410 for just under $100, taking a chance with this, comes with a WXGA+ screen, and unknown condition battery. Might keep this for myself for the X300 backup, has integrated graphics. Saw that they sell for $160 easily in this condition, probably will carbon fiber wrap it.

I'll most likely post a video of the R400 and the 1-3-3-1 ram beep. A tutorial to CF faggotry.

>still being a lazy fuck with the intro video
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>>45532927
Price? Looks nice.
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>>45534100
The only recent purchase was my x200t for 100 bucks. It's a great machine, build strong, great layout, digitizer works well.
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>>45534115
$450.00 on ebay (refurbished). Had to clean it obviously, but it was undamaged. Even got to remove a bunch of factory protective plastic shit :D
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Got an X200 about a year ago for $200 and have been loving it, best purchase I ever made, thanks /g/.
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bought a x200t for $57 today... but missing hdd, hdd caddy, hdd cover and stylus. I think it's still a brudy good deal.
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>>45526685
>gray keycaps
...like an oak tree.
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>>45535365
I'd say so too.
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>>45535400
Hey ThinkTrap, how's the video(s) coming along?

Also, is it possible to jerry-rig gray keycaps onto an x220's keyboard?
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>>45535365
I don't understand this.
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>>45535474
Oak trees are hard...what else gets hard?
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>>45535499
;D
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>11 T61s for $170

Do I buy it, anons
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>>45535620
No.
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>>45527647

That there build quality, son.

>Dropped T500 the other day
>Had to wipe off pieces of the floor
>Not a fucking scratch on the thing.
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>>45535455
Hopefully I'll have it up by midnight.

Only one video so far, I got too drunk while recording and fell asleep

>>45535620
Flipping working ones would probably score at least $30 after shipping and costs via eBay... it depends.
I'd take them for that much if the LCDs are in good condition and if there are at least 8 working units.
If you are able to get the TYPE numbers on them and find out what they are spec'd from the factory, I'd go for it. You'd don't want to end up with only XGA/WXGA machines, might get lucky on a SXGA+ or WUXGA unit. You can resell those for a pretty penny imo.

If you have an HDD with an OS installed, you might be lucky to sell them for $80+, more so on the batteries working great.
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I'm meeting a guy that wants to sell me his X200.
What should I check when buying one of these things?
>inb4 semen stains
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Cocks.

The spring-loaded latch that holds the battery in place on the right side of the battery snapped and went flying, can I order this part online or should I try to entertain Lenovo enough so they'll send it to me?

Running a T500 2089-CTO
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>>45535837
If the bios is password protected
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>>45535837
I mean, you don't HAVE to check for semen stains, but...
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Is everything T420 compatible with T410?
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>>45535910

what are you some kind of idiot?
no dumbass...

no
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>>45535921
But the battery is...I was just wondering about the screen
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>>45535910
doubt it, T410 is 16:10, T420 is 16:9
RAM, HDD, and maybe Wifi can be exchanged, but everything else is probably different.

Okay maybe the batteries might be swapable but I don't know.

Heck, ever since the T410, I don't think any ThinkPad have common parts to swap like the T60 to T500
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>>45535864
Yeah, that would suck. The seller told me it was unlocked, but I'll check it out.

>>45535870
I think I'm going to bring my UV LED keychain, and scan it on the spot just to freak the guy out a little bit.
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>>45535949
>doubt it, T410 is 16:10
Really? Just found my baby
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>>45535967
>Yeah, that would suck. The seller told me it was unlocked, but I'll check it out.

Ask for a pic of the hardware specs from the bios
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>>45535972
Fuck nevermind, the only one sold here is 1280x800

At least for the T420 I can replace the panel with a 1600x900 one
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>>45527777
buying used is hit or miss. that offsets the actual cost.
new, thinkpads are NOT cheap. they are good, but don't somehow think you're getting what macs give you except cheaper.
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>>45535620
I would. I get 150 all day for T61s with Middleton BIOS and Windows 7.

Middleton upgrades the SLIC and removes the whitelist, and these recovery disks also work on T61s. Many customers like the original restore partition and Lenovo software. I prefer plain installs myself.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7893705/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T420_Recovery_DVD_Windows_7_Pro_SP1_x64_Windows_

http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/459591-t61-x61-sata-ii-1-5-gb-s-cap-willing-pay-solution-8.html#post6501443

You need a charged battery to flash, and enable flash over LAN in BI0S. I flash using a bootable CD burned at slowest possible speed.
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Can T61 handle eclipse?
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>>45535985
Will do, thanks!
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OMW to pick up my t420

will be back soon
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is a e520 decent buy?
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>>45536392
NaTP
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>>45536408
what's that?
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>>45536469
Not a ThinkPad.
It's an Edge.
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