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Prove me wrong.
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>>45525929
I fucking hate that argument that Linux looks worse. There are hundreds of DEs, some look much better than proprietary software.
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> subjective opinion
> asks for "proof" against it like it's fact
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what the fuck? im a windowsfag and an applefag and i can agree linux can look100 times better. only lazy faggots think mac looks the best.
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>>45525929
These days Windows is vomit inducingly ugly, and with some care Linux can be made to be about OSX level.
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>>45525951
>There are hundreds of DEs
you are proving OP's point exactly
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>>45525929
>"GUI designed by actual designers"
>this is supposed to be a good thing

Lel no. Anyone with a brain can design a GUI. Apple and MS change their UI completely every year or two because they have too many designers on staff doing busy work, which results in them constantly violating the most important design principle: consistency.
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>>45526011
>Anyone with a brain can design a GUI

tell that to all of those cli linux programmers
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>>45525929
>OS X
>kernel performance not a priority

No.
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>>45526033
Making a good CLI requires thought and most Linux CLI commands are actually very well designed. I take it you never were around in the old days of disk-based operating systems (coughMSDOScough) when CLI tools were fucking awful.
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You can use and modify all of those operating systems (bla bla Gunuu loonucks is OS Loonucks is Kurrnel hurr, we get it) to do everything you could want.
Windows is a lot less customizable than OS X. To change anything significant, you need to swap some system libraries. OS X allows you to change tons of thing if you know (or just google) what .plist to edit.
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>>45525951
>some look much better than proprietary software.
my ass
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>>45526095
still, In the age of excess graphical power:

GUI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CLI

There is no excuse for CLI for anything involving the average user (non-programmer). None.
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>>45526148
>Good UI >>>>> Bad UI

Fixed that up for you. A good CLI is infinitely better than a bad GUI, and a good GUI is infinitely better than a bad CLI.

OS X and Windows both happen to have terrible GUIs, but at least OS X has a good CLI.
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>>45525990
Oh yeah because you use all of them. It's not like you just pick one. Similar to how the most non-power users pick their OS based on UI.
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But OS X is more powerful than Linux. For example: GUI automation. I can automate everything here with a combination of shell scripts for file or text-oriented tasks, AppleScript for GUI applications, and Automator for binding all together. Then I can assign it to some action, keystroke, date, folder...

The only thing you can automate in Linux without pain is command-line related things or ricing some shitty minimalist WM. GNOME and KDE don't care about implementing proper scripting support. Same for Windows. OS X wins again.
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>>45526033
I always thought the lack of UI shipping with tools was because Unix philosophy.
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Well, there is Gnome on Linux, which is designed by actual designers, and is actually moving towards a unified and consistent design philosophy (which you'll either love or hate).

Certainly it's a more consistent and intuitive design than Windows clusterfuck of decades of backwards compability and conflicting UI metaphors.
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>>45525929
Lol no. My old firstgen i5/hd 3000 laptop is burning up on every linux distro. Choppy scrolling, sluggish performance, slow as fuck blender rendering, random xses crashes. Windows 8.1 runs perfectly fine for me. I gave up linux lately for the sake of having decent performance.
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>>45526045
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=osx10_ubuntu1410&num=1

If it was then OS X would be ripping the shit out of Ubuntu since Apple only has to target a slim selection of hardware and configurations.
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>>45525929
I'm not sure it's quite that black and white. While OS X isn't as flexible as Linux in terms of what you can change, it's more flexible than Windows is. Large portions of the system are FOSS and if you really want to, you can download the source, make whatever changes you desire, compile, and replace the stock system binaries with your own. This works even as deep as the kernel -- AMD hackintoshers run a custom-tweaked XNU kernel, for instance. Try doing that under Windows.

If one is patient enough Linux can be made to look pretty decent, but no matter how far it's taken there's always dumb little inconsistencies and glitches that are completely unresolvable without forking a ton of stuff and doing source-level changes. This frustrates me.

The thing that kills Windows for me is its incredibly incapable approach to window/process management and the general acceptance of mediocrity that the platform harbors.
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>>45526191
>Oh yeah because you use all of them. It's not like you just pick one.
Thats the definition of a clusterfuck you inbred code monkey. Good UI shouldnt force me to pick from hundreds of UI elements as if I am picking a daily driver while blindfolded and bound to a steel chair, which by the way, is what you are proposing.
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>>45526192
Why would I want GUI automation on Linux? (It can be done anyway), every tool or concievable use case can be controlled directly from the command line.

If you want user simulation, there are tools like Selenium I guess, but it just doesn't have much purpose.
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>>45526045
Take a look at this:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=osx10_ubuntu1410&num=1
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>>45526188
You do realise Apple's designers have refrained from moving to a more mobile style UI compared to Windows.

They know what belongs on a computer and what shouldn't instead of a MS style 'convergence' clusterfuck.

Yosemite was simply a reskin/new theme.
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>>45526225
Then don't pick one, just use the default like you would on any other operating system.
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>>45526257
You do realize that it doesn't matter because they're still breaking consistency by moving everything around every year for no reason.
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>>45526225
>UI elements
Yeah because you use arch and install icons individually with your DE.

No you don't. There's no sense in doing that unless you want to. The sane thing to do for a user that doesn't care about customizing that much is that you can use the default that comes with the distro. If that doesn't satisfy you you google "top desktop environments linux" or something and install that.

Easy. But you wouldn't know because you've never used a Linux OS in your life you disgusting little sophist.
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>>45526188
>A good CLI is infinitely better than a bad GUI, and a good GUI is infinitely better than a bad CLI.

Sure, I can agree with that statement, But you are missing two things

1. Most CLI is bad CLI, Because it is dead easy to make a CLI, most programmers dont put in any effort to make it GOOD to the standard of the regular user, which requires a vast more amount of effort than GUI programming in order to not confuse and frustrate the non-programmer

2. Most users reject CLI wholesale for good reason (see above), and also because it requires memorization, which is bad UI design, no matter what you say. CLI is also slower to learn and understand, which is also bad UI design.

>>45526204
(if this is true) If Linux devs want main stream, UI needs to take priority over other stuff, philosophy be damned
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Yeah. Windows has got a much better UI than that neckbeard operating system.
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os x is just leaps and bounds ahead of both of them, it's not even close.
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>>45526325
>Consistent
>No learning curve
>Not overly designed
>Gets out of the way
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>>45526284
>UI elements
I mistyped, I meant DE, your argument is invalid
>>45526264
Sure, either I choose an environment that is hostile to anyone who is not UB3R L33T PROGRAMERZZZ or just spend all of my time swapping from one DE to another, every time having to relearn the environment. some people have a life, and doesn't necessarily like options. see omnivores dilemma
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>>45525929
on the middle it's broken piece of shit.
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>>45526307
>Because it is dead easy to make a CLI, most programmers don't put in any effort to make it GOOD to the standard of the regular user
I can't remember the last time i used a bad CLI. It was probably dir on windows. You actually use merged flags like "dir /O-D" to use reverse date ordering (- = reverse, D = date /O = ordering).
>which requires a vast more amount of effort than GUI programming in order to not confuse and frustrate the non-programmer
Projecting much? Really I've never had anyone willing to learn something be frustrated over the lack of GUI options in anything. As soon as you show them how to make a simple bash script they see the advantages and often comment "oh so the program just does what you want when you click this? That's cool".

GUI almost never has that kind of option. Users usually only cares about the end goal. What's lacking in most CLI is good presets. For instance converting .webm in ffmpeg was a clusterfuck here on 4chan for a while because people didn't realize the default bitrate was terrible for VP8.

>>45526377
Reported for flames.
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>>45526140
Have you seen the Flattastic theme for XFCE? It looks like OS X done right. Then you can get the Flattr icon theme and get icons that look way better than the ones in OS X. Also with a nice dock or panel, a good GTK theme, and a nice font, as well as something like Conky google now, you've made it look much more professional than OS X design.
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>>45526221
>it's more flexible than Windows is
The software maybe, but not the hardware it runs on. You can't pretend that software is the only part of an OS.
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>>45526424
Something along these lines: http://m.imgur.com/a/hwV5u
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>>45526237
UI automation is useful on OS X because it runs most popular commercial software packages and nearly all OS X applications are AppleScript capable. Because of this you can do things like wire Photoshop and Word up to bash through AppleScript, which is something that's basically impossible on other platforms.

What's more is that most of Cocoa is accessible through both AppleScript and Python and because OS X comes with WebKit, there are included facilities for bridging Cocoa and JavaScript, allowing for seamless operability between your scripts/applications and the native UI. OS X also comes with Python, Perl, Ruby, and a ton more preinstalled.

All of the above listed can effortlessly interact with each other. The OOB automation and scriptability potential for OS X is absolutely absurd. Linux/*BSD is just as good or better in the pure CLI department but OS X takes *NIXy CLI scriptability and applies it to consumer-facing UI applications and websites too.
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>>45526354
It always bothered me that the Mac start menu can only start like two softwares.
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>>45526354
>No learning curve
That's only true if you've used Windows before. Trying to explain all of its idiosyncrasies to somebody new to computers can be frustrating.
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>>45526457
>UI automation is useful on OS X because it runs most popular commercial software packages
yeah dude let me know when you can do skyrim on MAC, or autocad, cubase, or gta, anything else a person with a life has to use for work
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>>45526354
Since when is Windows "consistent"?
Have you seen any of the new Windows 10 stuff?
Have you seen how Windows since Windows XP has mixed at least two different UI toolkit styles?

Don't pretend there isn't any learning curve to Windows. There's just no learning curve to people who have already used it.

And that picture there shows quite a few things which get in the way, like that bar at the bottom, that popup menu, and icons.
There are user interfaces, and even Windows configurations, which get in the way a lot less than the example you showed there. At least make the toolbar on the bottom narrower.

Your out-of-the-box screenshot isn't a very good example or representation of anything.
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>>45526354
>makes claims based on his experienced view of the OS.

Take a look at it again. There's nothing on the desktop. How does the user know what to do if they want anything but explorer/IE/WMP(?). Why is there JUST a Recycle bin on the desktop. What does that even mean? It makes no sense in terms of computing in general because there's no "recyclable" files in an OS.
The most sense you can make of that is that the way you delete files on windows is by putting them in there. Which isn't actually true. The idea that it's a semi-deleted state which you have to actually delete manually to get your free space back is probably beyond most new users.

Once you're in the start menu it's the same as a dash in unity. But dash is cleaner imo because it categorizes better. Files that are indexed aren't seperate from non-indexed files on windows. The indexed files just appear first. Confusing for someone with only light knowledge of the search function.

Categorization in general is poor, everything is lobbed into All programs without any category.

I really wish Windows users would open their eyes to the reality of their OS. It's 'easy' because people already know it. It's not an exceptionally easy OS.
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>>45526496
EVERYONE has already used Windows. There's no learning curve because there's no need to learn it. You already know how to use it. But you don't know how to use a Mac.
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Windows for muh gayms and muh Photoshop
Linux for everything else.
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GNOME is just as good as OSX in terms of workflow and appearance
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>>45526419
linux sucks for those who have neither a mentor, or the time to fiddle with it, get over it.

plus, you had to teach them how to do those things, would that be acceptable on a tablet? no, it would not

if linux wants users, it needs to overcome UI inertia, which windows has in spades. and no ammount of RTFM or mentoring will overcome this fact. CLI is RTFM in program form.
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>>45526518
Not everyone has. You know that's wrong.
There are loads of older people and younger people who buy their first computers all the time.
A lot of them trying out Windows find it strange and awkward at first, just as they would with pretty much anything else.
Though elderly people quite often find some lightweight Linux desktops to be more simple and intuitive and get in the way a lot less for simple web browsing and stuff.
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>>45526435
Which is why I hackintosh.

>>45526467
Since OS X came out, the Apple menu has been repurposed from being a launcher to being a center for system configuration and utilities. This makes a lot of sense simply because unlike Windows, the OS X applications folder is filled with actual programs instead of fleets of shortcut files, meaning that you can just drop it in your dock to get an effective launcher.

>>45526495
What are you on about? AutoCAD and Cubase both have native OS X versions. Skyrim and GTA V indeed do not run natively on OS X but work fine through WINE. If anything it seems more and more that Windows' only saving grace is gaming.
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>>45526188
>Implying OneGet, Ctrl+* support, full window prommpts and the ever expanding PowerShell aren't showing Microsoft is paying attention to their CLI(s).
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>>45526577
Everyone has used or seen someone use Windows. It's everywhere. You can't avoid it.
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>>45525929
the /g/ myth that osx is locked down continues........
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>>45526596
yeah gaming and porn
apple hates porn and wont let you do porn on MAC, you have to keep it virginal
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>>45526602
A large percentage of the developed world may have used Windows, but don't forget that most of the world is undeveloped. There are incredibly large swaths of people whose first contact with computers and the internet come in the form of smartphones and tablets.
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>>45526602
No they haven't. Not everyone uses computers.
Loads of people who even have used Windows don't have a clue what Windows is or what any of the strange buttons and icons outside of their web browser are, or even inside it.
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>>45525929
ok

pic related

HomOSeX with first party apple app.

it looks like shit.
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>>45526633
>>45526639
You're really trying hard here. You sound emotional to me. Maybe you should go lie down for a while until the hysteria passes.
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>>45526558
These are truly some of the most shitty arguments I've seen discussing UI.
>You have to teach them
Applies for anything. "Intuitive" means there's prior knowledge that's applicable. And Linux in general certainly doesn't fail in this.
>if linux wants users, it needs to overcome UI inertia
Again with the stupid "linux doesn't have UI" bs. Windows doesn't have any UI that makes sense beyond the very very simplest of tasks. Starting an application. Opening a file. All of this stuff all linux DE's have. If you want to index a path for your own Windows Search (in start menu) convenience you add it to the search index. You can't add a single file/executable/shortcut in any way. It's mindblowingly bad.
>CLI is RTFM in program form.
Don't disagree with this. But stop equating Linux with CLI. It's plain retarded and if you say that IRL some neck-beard will smack you. Probably even Windows bound sysadmins will smack you.

>>45526602
Everyone have seen a person use a window based UI. Not windows. Mac is growing aswell.
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>>45526651
two different anons bro
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>>45526612
Can you change hardware on Mac now?
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>>45526645
wtf is evertihgn huga
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>>45526674
>this retarded
I bet you're OP. Truly revolting how stupid the people who come to ruin /g/ are now.
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>>45526645

I admit, I'm not the biggest fan of Yosemite's visual style. I have a feeling though that it'll probably grow on me.
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>>45526674
200 PPI buttmonkey.
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>>45526645
I think I might be getting a Mac Mini or something soon, but there's something I don't get about the Mac OS in that picture.
What's with the massive wasted space at the bottom of the screen?
Is that always there? Is that toolbar on the bottom important?

>>45526651
Are you piping the text on your screen through espeak or something?
4chan posts generally don't sound like anything.
What's emotional about people not having used a computer?
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>>45526673
Depends on the model.

>Macbooks
Single board + custom PCIe SSD. SSD is upgradable, the rest isn't. Similar to other ultrabooks.

>iMacs
21.5" model has upgradable storage, 27" has upgradable storage and RAM

>Mac Pro
CPU, PCIe SSD, dual graphics cards are all fully upgradable.

>Hackintosh
Build it however the fuck you want to.
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Elementary OS
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>>45526725
>What's with the massive wasted space at the bottom of the screen?
>Is that always there? Is that toolbar on the bottom important?
The dock scales itself horizontally depending on how many programs/documents/folders you have in it. You can move it to the right or left sides of the screen and hide it. If it's not being hidden, automatic window sizing will take it into account so nothing overlaps.
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>>45526727
RAM is upgradable on the Mac Pro as well, forgot to include it
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>>45526727
yeah, and how many people actually make a gpu that will fit?

i will wait
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>>45526727
You forgot to mention the Mac Pro graphics cards are proprietary
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>>45525951
>There are hundreds of DEs
and they all look like shit
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>>45525929
OS X is actually the middle ground. It has unix ecosystem and common commercial applications (like Adobe Creative Suite, Microsoft Office). You get the best of both worlds.
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>OS X
>locked down
Every fucking thread.
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>>45526788
>>45526796
Which is why if you're budget-conscious and want a high-end OS X machine, you go and build yourself a nice quad i5/i7 or socket 2011-based workstation and drop OS X on it.

With the right motherboards it's as effortless as setting up a real Mac. The community has really smoothed things out over the past few years.
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>>45525929
Appearance and customization:
Linux > OSX >>> Windows
Software selection:
Windows > OSX > Linux
Hardware support:
Windows > Linux >>> OSX
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>>45526834
You would believe it if you'd ever tried it. Just walk into an Apple store and try to open up one of the machines there and upgrade the parts, and see what happens.
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>>45526884
>OS X
>open up one of the machines
>upgrade the parts
>OS X
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>>45526849
I feel like GNOME has a much better handle on aesthetics but is lacking technically while KDE is better technically but sucks in the aesthetics and UX department.

Why does it have to be this way?
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>>45526849
How did you get Firefox to look like that :o
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>>45526898
The software still counts as locked down if it's running on locked down hardware.
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>>45526903
https://github.com/chpii/Headerbar
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>>45526901
because no one cares.

I've been using default, unriced i3 forever now and it jus werks.

only ricing I've done is my .xresources and I don't call that ricing.
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>>45526849
That garbage theme already proves that you have no eye for appearance whatsoever
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>>45526849
>having to install a tweak tool just to get your minimize and maximize buttons back
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>>45526969
Shouldn't you be working on your touhou fangame? Good luck making it XP compatible. We both know how wonderful the windows API is.
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>>45526969
>Linux shills
>shills

I don't think you know what that word means.

also, nice thumbnail faggot.

>>45527009
>minimize
>maximize
>2014

ok, gramps.
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>>45527020
Not that anon but have we not finally reached a point where new projects no longer need to work with XP yet?

I'm a mac dev and the equivalent would be making my programs work with OS X 10.1 which is absolutely unthinkable. Most mac devs don't bother with anything older than 10.7-10.8 and fucking nobody cares about anything older than 10.6.
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>>45526188
PowerShell > Bash
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>>45525951
And the only DE that doesn't look like fried ass is Xmonad. Hope you know Haskell!
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>>45527077
>but have we not finally reached a point where new projects no longer need to work with XP yet?
It's touhou. Touhou needs backwards compatibility because Japan.

I'm not actually sure of the state of things but it would probably still be a good idea in this case.
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>>45527009
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ':minimize,maximize,close'

or

Super + H, Super + Up
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>>45526478
lol, try harder gentoo fag.
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>>45527203
How many people do you know and have talked to about their experiences trying different operating systems when they've never used computers before?
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>>45527077
>I'm a mac dev and the equivalent would be making my programs work with OS X 10.1 which is absolutely unthinkable.
That's the plan though. You force people to upgrade. Or they won't get their software. I know companies that were using ME as late as 2010. Not everywhere but they could. They could probably upgrade too because of windows compatibility.
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>>45527301
>You force people to upgrade. Or they won't get their software.

which is a good thing.
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>>45527301
>I know companies that were using ME as late as 2010.
Horrifying. The win9x kernel has no right to survive in the wild that long.

I can get companies that still run on Win2K... it's ancient as fuck but at least it was decent to begin with.
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>>45527375
>which is a good thing.
Arguably for some cases but not for all cases.

If it produces the results you want there's no real point in changing it. Excluding security problem. Depends on what they're doing completely.
>>45527407
Agree. ME wasn't great.
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>>45527407
Not much older than XP. In fact, XP was really just a minor upgrade of 2000 (like 7 was with Vista, or 8.1 was with 8) with programs like DirectX ported to it so it could actually be useful in a home environment.
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>>45527455
Yeah, I like to refer to XP as consumerized 2000. Until SP2 or so there wasn't any good reason to use XP over 2000.
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>>45525990
>>45525929
I showed my mom a screenshot of ElementaryOS when I was home for Thanksgiving and she couldn't tell the difference between it and OSX.
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>>45527525
>i showed my iguana a tofu burger and a 5-guys burger and it couldn't tell the difference between the two
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>>45527525
That's sortof the point.
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>>45527597
My mom is not an iguana...

>>45527627
I know, but that kinda proves OP wrong right? OSX isn't definitively prettier than Linux if Elementary OS looks just like it.
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>>45527525
The problem with Elementary is that the beauty is only skin-deep, so to speak. As soon as you launch a program that's not bundled with Pantheon (i.e. software you actually use), it all falls apart and just looks like your bog standard Ubuntu derivative.

The only way to solve this problem is to kick off the platform with a design and user-conscious developer culture like Apple did with OS X. The elementary guys will never make it as far as OS X has if they don't break away from traditional Linux distributions entirely and make it a separate platform in its own right.
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>>45527651
>Elementary OS looks just like it.
and then there is arch, which is also linux.

still proving OP's point about linux, you cant have your cake and eat it too, either its a clusterfuck of hundreds of distros and DE, or you are comparing one specific distro to win and osx, and then missing the point
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Aynone else noticing that this board is getting shitter by the day? The programming threads are empty, there are almost no good discussion relating to bleeding edge technology, and now there are people who think FOSS is some "wannabe l33t thing that only those crazy smart programmers can use".

At this point, some of the reddit subs are much better than this board.
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>>45527750
>you cant have your cake and eat it too, either its a clusterfuck of hundreds of distros and DE, or you are comparing one specific distro to win and osx, and then missing the point

If you do a little bit of background reading on the different distros, you can one that suits your needs. To me it seems like OP's point is that Linux cannot achieve OSX's level of "prettiness", which it can.
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>>45527812
>If you do a little bit of background reading on the different distros, you can one that suits your needs
RTFM is not a valid excuse to the masses, anon.
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>>45526424
yikes

your taste weak af nigga
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>>45527800
The real problem is idiots who see everything in black and white when in reality, there are billions of shades of gray.

I'm fully supportive of FOSS and the goals that Linux distributions and the FSF are trying to achieve, but the way they're going about it is largely counterproductive, especially when the culture surrounding FOSS and Linux is mostly made up of unsociable nerds on high horses. People are going to ultimately going to be driven away and FOSS marginalized if this idiocy continues, because it's something the big corps WILL notice and take full advantage of.

TLDR: At least some portion of FOSS is going to have to cater to Joe Everyman and its proponents are going to have to be friendly if it's ever to gain a majority share in consumer software. Joe and Jane are never going to be the least bit interested in the technical side of things. Anybody who doesn't realize that is either mired in a fantasy world or just doesn't care.
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>>45527800
> people who think FOSS is some "wannabe l33t thing that only those crazy smart programmers can use"
not what i meant, its more like what >>45527929 said, asshole nerds who think they are THE hot shit
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>>45527976
also, this>>45527929
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>>45527800
>implying /g/ hasn't been shit for years
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>>45526192
>> i have never used linux because i am too busy sucking apple cock
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>>45527800
>The programming threads are empty
Anyone who can do something that even resembles programming has fucked off to progrider, /r/rust, or Hacker News. As far as people with real skills are concerned, this place is a total joke.
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>>45526377
You are retarded and not very smart. I pity you.
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>>45530620
It seems a lot more like you're blind with hatred. See >>45526457
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>>45525951
>There are hundreds of DEs
Yeah, exactly.
And the best looking one is copying an outdated version of OS X, it's truly pathetic.
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>>45526377
>having to learn a DE
>implying it doesn't take more than one hour to learn the in and outs of most linux DEs
The only exception is KDE which is such a clusterfuck that it takes years to learn
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>>45531082
That's true, most are so god awful that it only takes me 5 minutes to learn that I don't want to use them.
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>>45531121
Hmm, so you haven't actually used any of them? Good job wintard
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>>45531158
Not even using Windows, nice try.
Cinnamon is the only decent DE.
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>>45531204
>cinnamon
Windows 2.0 you mean
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>>45531322
No, Windows 2.0 looks nothing like it actually, I guess you could make the case for 95 but that's another argument.
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>>45531413
Are you autistic?
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>>45531586
>Gets told hard
>w-well you're autistic!
Classy
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£2k on a Macbook Pro worth it? As far as I can see getting a Dell or Sony with the same spec is roughly the same price.
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>>45531777
it's the meme word
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>>45531792
Apple is never worth it. Build your own desktop for a tenth of the price with five times the power.
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>>45525929
>2014
>using an OS that doesn't have a proper shell
ishygddt
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>>45531859

I don't want a desktop, I want a portable laptop for development.
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>>45525929
Why do you post these threads?

Consider your life for a moment. You could be at the gym, watching a movie, hanging out with friends, dating, any one of literally thousands of things.

Yet here you are, trolling on /g/ of all places. Most people of at least moderate intelligence spot the Linux vs Windows vs Mac troll from across the room. You're the equivalent of a malicious child who has about as much common sense as someone with Down's Syndrome, screaming shinanegans at the top of your lungs in a room mostly full of equally retarded children.

Supposing for a moment that you actually posted a really great troll... That is your legacy. You made a few people mad on the Internet. Congratulations.

You should really reconsider your path in life, or even your continued existence altogether.
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>>45531913
Just build a smaller machine and keep it in a suitcase so you can set up in hotel rooms or whatever.
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>>45531792
I've learned the hard way that the reason Apple is successful with their ultrabooks is because there are no unknown downsides to any of their models. With all these different models from different companies, making new ones every other month, there's always some big stupid surprise deal breaker. Also bloatware and

>drivers
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>>45525951
I fucking hate the argument that Linux is more powerful. Every good piece of software is written for Windows, whereas Linux gets mostly FOSS shit that poorly imitates the Windows stuff.
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>>45532878
Yep. For the most with Apple the biggest thing to be wary of is new body styles/new products; basically, never buy an Apple 1.0. Give it a couple revisions and they'll have any notable issues fixed.

And yeah the whole bloatware problem is hurting MS more than they think. By allowing OEMs to load windows PCs up with shit, they're effectively giving these OEMs a license to erode the Windows brand further than it's already been eroded.

They shown their muscle by forcing windows keys onto the keyboards included with PCs that ship with Windows. They should use this muscle to compel manufacturers to not install bloatware.
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>>45532878
>>45533205
Bloatware isn't half the problem you people make it out to be.
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>>45536024
Anything that autoruns is evil. If a company insists on installing crap that's fine, but don't ever make it a system service or anything that launches at startup. If it's just sitting on the HD unused it's not really hurting anybody, but if it's running it's going to be eating resources and likely doing unscrupulous things.
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