It's time

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>>45446971
what the actual fuck

I had a feeling this would not go smoothly

oh well, this is just the start, not giving up at the first hurdle

>>45447005
Okay I've figured out why this happened, thanks Arch website

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>>45447013
that's more like it nigga

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>>45447062
some lines and shit

There's an awesome beginner's guide in the Wiki. It explains literally everything. Just to through it and you'll understand how it works. Used it the first time i installed arch and everything went ok. Now it's my main distro since 2 years.

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>>45447086
more lines and shit and then...

>>45447090
I know breh that's what I'm using. I'm doing this to maybe show others how easy it is if someone like me can do it.

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>>45447098
and we're close to lift-off

don't install that crap unless you wanna wreck your pc

Im hosting Arch mirror on my home server.
50MB/s updates on all of my PC`s is awesome.

>>45447110
doesn't matter, it's a machine I'm not using anyway, just doing it for fun and maybe to learn a bit

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>>45447116

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good luck OP

don't tempt me OP I just got done installing a different distro, and I don't know about using arch on my main PC , does it dual boot fine with windows?

>>45447146
if you set it up properly

>>45447157
I'm a bit of an idiot

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goddamn zsh is so fucking nice

>>45447132
thanks man

>>45447146
don't know, this is gonna be the main OS for this machine, but Linux has always been dual-boot friendly so I don't see why not.

>>45447163
make sure to do some research and read the wiki beforehand then

So far so good OP, but you didn't have to generate all the locales. Only en_US and your own locale, if different, would have been enough.

>>45447180
I'm just following the wiki to the letter.

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>>45447132
Yay, Sakura Trick!
But why?

Also I'm testing Manjaro instead of the "regular" Arch...

>>45447220
gave manjaro a shot a couple of weeks ago, but it appears broken to me.
Try installing powerpill
spoiler: you can't

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>>45447220
no idea

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and my first retard moment, i put in the wrong wifi password in wifi-menu, now it only recognizes that one and drops me back out to this error

i can use wired but i would rather know what to do in this situation

>>45447272
Whatever man, just use wpa_supplicant directly. Create a configuration file:

network={
        ssid="ssid_here"
        psk="wpa pwd here"
}

Then:

wpa_supplicant -Dnl80211 -i<your wireless interface> -c <your configuration file>
(switch tty or pass the -B parameter to wpa supplicant to put it in the background
dhcpcd <your wireless interface>

Of course, this assumes you're using DHCP.

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>>45447272
hopefully nearly sorted this

removed the broken profile from /etc/netctl

now i need to get the netctl daemon restarted(?) because it hasn't picked up the working profile

>>45447355
that was gonna be my next move, unless I get this profile working

i like to follow the path of least resistance, i might have to use your way if this doesn't work

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>>45447364
hmm, feel like I'm getting closer but not quite there

>>45447396
Just post the output of systemctl status, as it says.

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>>45447407
okay

>>45447407
>>45447418
should I do what it says here?
i.e. stop the service through systemctl?

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=165967

>>45447457
As far as i know wifi-menu creates profile in /etc/netctl/
Just go there and edit your profile with proper password

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>>45447509
I've removed the old profile and tried creating a new one with the correct password but it's not recognizing the new profile

>>45447534
Probably you typed the wrong password.

Just stop everything and call wpa_supplicant directly, avoiding all the script bullshit.

>>45447534
I never really had any problems with netctl so cant help you with this one, but you might want to try and connect using dhcpcd:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Manual_wireless_connection_at_boot_using_systemd_and_dhcpcd

>>45447565
ps. if you dont want to start playing around with creating custom systemd services, wicd-curses is nice and easy to use

>boot antergos livecd
>connect to wifi using regular graphical gnome3 method, simple as shit
>open up terminal
>continue install arch as per normal
you don't really need the official arch iso to install arch, you can do it from any linux system

>>45447597
also, this way can shitpost and take regular screenshots from the machine you're installing arch on

>>45447180
Did you even check the screenshot? He only generated en_GB and en_US.

>>45447585
wicd is deprecated

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>>45447585
>>45447565
>>45447548
went gordian-knot-mode and started the whole process from scratch and fucking wifi-menu still won't start the wifi even with the correct password, so I don't fucking know

but i'm switching over to the wpa_supplicant method now, at least the wiki realized that wifi-menu might shit itself sometimes, like in my case

>>45447691
Yeah, my bad.

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>>45447706
think my router is at fault here

for some reason Netgear decided to be niggers and mix the authentication types (because that would never lead to problems), so I don't even know what to do here other than just connect the fucking ethernet and admit defeat

Why do people say arch is hard to install?
Literally did it on my first try after a month of using Linux.
Then I couldn't be bothered setting up a DE and started from scratch with the evo installer.
Why was arch buttmad and forced them to switch from their graphical installer to a CLI/graphical one. As if it changed anything, its still easy and fast as shit.

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>>45447816
any ideas here or should I just connect the ethernet cable?
it really sucks that the wireless driver can't just realize Netgear are stupid faggots and fucked up with the authentication

>>45447846
no graphical installer is more lightweight and kiss.
hue

>>45447882
I think you should just use ethernet and figure out wifi later, when you are done installing.

>>45447882
just boot up a graphical livecd (doesn't matter which) and connect to wifi graphically

if you don't care much for learning to connect to wifi from the command line, don't, you don't need to

forcing yourself to learn things you don't want to will just push you away from linux

>>45447882
Please stop with the slurs. Calling netgear niggers/faggots will not solve your wifi problem.

I've discovered the wpa_passphrase section isn't in the wpa_supplicant.conf file

at least, when I ran a grep NETGEAR on it, it didn't show up

>>45447910
heh there's no danger of that, I've been with Linux way too long to give up that easily

>>45447905
I might but I want to be a little more stubborn and see if I can figure it out

>>45447882
Wait a second: which wpa_supplicant file did you use? How many lines are there in it?

Just try with the bare minimum one i posted earlier and try to see if it works. (launch wpa_supplicant without the -B switch to see if authentication succeeds)

>>45447951
also this is where it starts diverging from the wiki, the wiki refers to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and there only seems to be a directory in /etc called wpa_supplicant, with the wpa_supplicant.conf inside it, maybe why this isn't working so great

>>45447962
I followed the wiki where it says run

# wpa_supplicant -B -i wlp3s0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "ssid" "psk")

>>45447979
Omit the -B switch and post the result.

Make sure there are no other instances of wpa_supplicant running.

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>>45447994
something is clearly not right here
it may well be the router after all
I haven't had a problem authenticating to this router with other distros though, so its annoying that Arch is behaving special today

>>45448025
oh fuck, now you all know my wifi password
don't wardrive me bro

>>45448034
are you sure the passphrase is correct?
can you connect to the network from other distros on the same hardware?

>>45448049
100% sure, yes it connects fine from any other device, just now reset the connection on my android, that's definitely it

>>45448025
Just to make sure, try changing the driver: pass alternatively "-Dwext" or "-Dnl80211" to wpa_supplicant and see what happens.

>>45448049
At this point, it's really just me being stubborn and insisting that Arch plays nice with my wireless card/router setup, I don't see why every other distro should work but not Arch (tried Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, all are fine)

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>>45448079
using the same settings otherwise? it didn't like that either

-Dwext just said 'device not responding' or something

>>45448080
suppose it can be handy to have wifi connections down when you have nothing but the bare minimum available (wpa_supplicant)

>>45448119
I was just hoping the problems would come later, I mean I've dealt with wireless problems on Debian, FreeBSD, even OpenBSD. How can OpenBSD work where Arch doesn't work? That's just wrong on multiple levels.

>>45448131
Meh, just to exclude problems with the psk try creating a minimal wpa_supplicant config file as shown earlier and pass it to wpa_supplicant using the -c switch.

Post results.

Just use an installer, it's not worth doing it manually

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>>45448180
like this? I think there seems to be something up with the wpa_supplicant side of this, or the conf file at least

>>45448200
you mean for the wireless? nah it's okay, I would rather figure this out, I'm not gonna rage quit, I'm surprised no one else had this problem, maybe no one else has this shit router

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>>45448235
also it does seem to be going for the old wpa_supplicant.conf because it craps out early now that I moved it

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1392921#p1392921

>>45447090
lo. bullshit. it's not that great of a damn guide. use evolution OP

>>45448254
Do not launch wpa_supplicant if you use dhcpcd: it has an hook that calls wpa_supplicant automatically and looks for /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.

You can disable it by adding "nohook wpa_supplicant" in /etc/dhcpcd.conf or using only dhcpcd to connect. Your choice.

lol. OP had the power and everything. Then Arch fought back. evolution nigga. use it.

>>45448315
Chill. It's just a learning process. I'm not pissed, just curious about why this is behaving differently.

>>45448263
tried this but I think what this guy said >>45448291
needs doing

Dumb question now, if the wireless is working correctly, I should be able ping google.com right?

Because I just did what >>45448263 says, it says 'Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant'
but then I don't get how I'm supposed to determine if it has actually initialized.

>>45448315
Evolution is basically a hand-holding Arch distro? Kinda defeats the point. I might as well just use Ubuntu if I want to do that.

>>45448431
It's just assists you with the install, still the same ol' arch

>>45448408
Even if it works, you launching dhcpcd spawns another instance of wpa_supplicant, fucking shit up. Either disable the hook or launch dhcpcd only (obviously put an /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file in place before doing that).

last time i used wpa_supplicant in the arch iso there wasn't any such thing

the conf came blank, just had to add a network entry and it was good to go

>>45448471
Yeah, i find script such as wifi-menu and the like to be actually redundant and complicated. Just generate a standard config file and write your own systemd service, and you're good to go.

>>45448455
Yep that's exactly what I'm checking up now, how to kill the instances I've spawned.

>>45448471
Yeah I'm using the manual method in the wiki (the one they describe last in the wireless setup section), it seems like I'm getting there, albeit slowly. Meh, this has been fun and interesting, I didn't expect it to go 100% smoothly anyway.

OP that's enough for today, gotta eat and do other stuff, probably gonna create a thread on the Arch forum so that they have a reference for this weird hardware.

>>45448491
Brutally:

kill -9 $(pgrep wpa_supplicant)

>>45448569
thanks

>>45448408
did you actually get ip from your dhcp ? do you have something in your resolv.conf?

>>45448610
No, it didn't seem to get that far. /etc/resolv.conf is empty except the "#generated by resolv" line

>>45448638
well how about ip?did you get ip adress at all? post your ip addr

>>45448658
No, that's what I meant, I didn't get assigned one.

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Goddamn

I'm fucking retarded. Call me names and stuff. I have MAC filter on and forgot about it, I switched it on after reading a thread about it last week.

>>45448569
>not just "pkill wpa_supplicant"

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>>45448701

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should I continue this thread? I feel like too much of a faggot, but I want to keep going. I gotta eat in a bit though.

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>>45448793
okay fuck it I have a couple of hours before it's time to eat, I'm gonna do this hopefully I won't have more full-tard moments

>>45448793
sure, everyone has their stupid moments

ps. mac filtering isn't all that great, it's more an inconviniece to you than it is to someone cracking your wifi

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>>45448813
okay the show's back on the road

also, yeah I guess it is, no one around here is even that smart, I live in a neighborhood with mostly middle-aged baby boomer faggots, I just thought it might be one additional hindrance

but if someone even got the wpa password, how would they add themselves to the 'allowed' list without the router password? I mean, they would need to first steal the wpa password and then the router password, I don't know how easy that is, but you've got me worried now

>>45448892
>how would they add themselves to the 'allowed' list without the router password?
they don't, they simply probe for connected stations (aka, get a list of MACs currently connected to the router), then kick one off and fake their MAC to appear as the station they kicked off

then the router will accept that station

>>45448892
Go on, OP.

I have a flu and I'm at home from work with nothing to do.

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partitioning, this is the part noobs always love

You should try out Gentoo afterwards OP. Also sage because fuck off nobody cares about installing arch god damn it

>>45448934
how would they sever the connection?

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And the cool shit starts happening. For some reason this part reminds me of another sweet little OS, OpenBSD.

>>45449132
I might do this actually but only on a VM, I don't want to destroy my shiny new Arch install that quickly.

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>>45449228
>updating my packages reminds me of bsd.

k.

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base install downloaded and installed fine

>>45449276
What? It just felt similar to when I installed OpenBSD for some reason.
What word do you think I don't know the meaning of?

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getting the boring little stuff out of the way now

>>45449449
What DE are you gonna use?

>>45449494
probably gonna go with lxqt or even just a wm like xmonad or i3

not really too fussed, any recommendation? this is a Dell D430 with a crappy U7600 c2d and 1.5gb RAM so it isn't gonna handle Unity or shit like that too great.

What the fuck kid? You actually having trouble with this?

Holy shit

>>45449533
See >>45448701

>>45449533
late to the party, faggot

>>45449556
What "party" ? Installing arch is not a rite of passage retard

Fucknuts going on and on about the install process as if it was anything special is what gives arch faggots a bad name

>>45449568
why are you even in this thread, dipshit?
go make another Macbook, homolord

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okay base systems done

it really is time to eat now, gonna finish the rest some other time

>>45449449
>

ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/ /etc/localtime

>>45450060
fuck

i can fix that, r-right?

>>45450078
Of course. Just make the link again.

>>45449175
i forget the exact method, but it involved some kind of packet spamming

they could also simply wait for you to disconnect

Anyone want to recommend a simple little display manager? This is the first time I've ever had the chance to choose my own, so I'm not sure what to go with. I just need something simple and lightweight.

>>45450802
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=GNU/Linux_ricing#What_does_.2Fg.2F_use.3F

>>45450802
LightDM

>>45450802
i personally like lxdm, it's like a lightweight version of GDM2

>>45450802
I prfer slim. But lightdm works well. although everytime i have fucked with the config to get autologin i broke my system

>>45450823
>>45450899
>>45450921
>>45450980
gonna go with LightDM

Anyone know how to auto-login with lightDM on Arch?

>ITT: How to lose an afternoon installing an hard-on-purpose distro
>Losses
Lot's of time
>Gains
absolutely nothing.

Just install any modern distro and remove the shit you don't need. It's way faster than having to deal with this retarded reenactment of "how to install linux like its 2001"

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>>45451362

>>45451362
Took me 10 minutes to install arch the other day with evo-lution installer. shit is lovely. wish it had more display manager options though.

I really don't know why people would want to go through that bullshit install process.

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When I log in, it says 'Failed to start session', I assume this is because it's looking for a WM and hasn't found an available session?

>>45451297
OP here, I read something about that on the lightdm wiki, seems doable

>>45451362
It's not hard 'on-purpose' (whatever the heck that means), it's simple and minimalistic, and beautiful in a way, I have definitely learned a lot today. What have you done other than browse /g/ and shitpost?

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>>45451389
To learn something about the inner workings of Linux, it's hard to avoid picking up something in the process. It's educational and interesting. I don't know if I'm gonna stick with Arch long-term, but I finally get why like 60% of /g/ is in love with it, it's beautiful in it's own way, it really is.

>>45451401
>whatever the heck that means
It means exactly that. It's hard and boring and you have to do everything that could be easily automated by an install script because fuck you
>it's simple and minimalistic
So is the minimal installation of any other distro, except they supply an installer so you can get it done in 10 minutes avoiding any error from the user.
>What have you done other than browse /g/ and shitpost?
I worked.

Someone know the exact reason why LightDM is saying 'Failed to start session'? My guess is the lack of WM, but I just want to be sure

>>45451297
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin

>>45451467
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin
Thanks will try. Broke my system a few times fucking with this. grr

>>45451467
Grr did that. Still no luck. At least it didn't break my shit this time.. for once

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>>45451429
>To learn something about the inner workings of Linux, it's hard to avoid picking up something in the process
That's the most ridiculous argument ever. You don't learn shit about how things work. At most you learn the name of a command used in the process that you read on a wiki.
Go ahead and explain us how the filesystem is implemented, or any other part of the OS you can think off and let us be the judges of what you learn or not.

>>45451504
>Thanks will try. Broke my system a few times fucking with this. grr
typical arch user

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Openbox!

Well that was pretty fun. I guess there's still a little way to go. But as I've said I see why you guys love this distro, it's brilliant, and I'm converted.

>>45451551
>Thanks will try. Broke my system a few times fucking with this. grr


nah. Nothing to do with arch itself. This is a display manager issue. Having been on arch for about 2 months. It has yet to break on me or anything harmful yet.

I'd like to just switch to slim or something. But not sure how to switch either. I knew how on debian based stuff though

>>45451551
Oh fuck off asshole. You're just gonna shit on anyone's achievements no matter how great or small.

But I did learn a lot despite you just wanting to shit on what I or others have learned by using Arch, the process of building the system up from virtually nothing for example.
I've been using Linux since 1999 (Redhat 6.0, then later Ubuntu) and never bothered to get into it to learn how everything was put together. I've had a good close look at many conf files, and the methods used to start and stop services, that kind of thing.

>>45451568
OP here, feels kinda dumb for me to be teaching people already but since it's all fresh in my mind, I think this may be what you're looking for

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_manager#Loading_the_display_manager

>>45451634
Oh. will try. prob tried before. I know . this shit isn't usually a hassle at all. but lightdm config just seems weird to me. usually a couple uncomneted lines do the trick. bleh

also. you can't say the shit works till you do it and reboot. trust me. be careful

Why aren't you using an install script for all the boring stuff?

>>45451776
because this is the first time I'm doing it and I want to see what happens
partly out of curiosity to see if the wiki actually works (it does) and if Arch is built well (it is)

>>45449523
i3 + dmenu works great for me.
I haven't used XMonad, because Haskell.
Same with Awesome and Lua.

>>45451551
I've learned a LOT installing and using Gentoo and Arch.

Using Debian, I've only learned how shitty UX apt and friends (aptitude) have.
IIRC I've tried installing Gentoo 4 times, 2 of them failed.
Anyway, recompiling everything was troublesome, so I've just set with Arch.

this is about to 404, don't know if anyone's still paying attention but just tried a USB drive, the automount section on the wiki is confusing and contradictory, what's the 'correct' way to set up auto-mounting from the command line?
I've only got Openbox on this atm, don't really want to install a DE if I can help it

>>45453953
I am a linux-noob but I think you can just dump it in the fstab

>>45454060
i could but that doesn't sound like the 'correct' way of doing this

it's not like i'm gonna set up fstab entries for every single drive i want to use, that would be retarded

autofs?

>>45450802
I prefer the startx way, but thats just because im a skiddy faggot

>>45451457
holy shit, I love not having a graphical installer, its not even that difficult, its not like there is some maze of commands you have to fill out perfectly or everything breaks, all you have to do is partition the disk, which is easy and gives you many many choices, then you format them, again easy and customizable, and then you install the system, its not that fucking hard, everything after that is pretty much fine tuning it, giving you a command line gives you so many choices to make the install yours and no bigger than it needs to be. I dont get why you guys shit on the arch installer that much, its nice if you take the five minutes to learn how it works, or have used a distro for a while and know the basics anyway.

>>45451776

Where do I find a way to install it using a script?

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>>45456407
Read the thread or search on google.

>>45456443
listen to me u lil smug anime bitch, i dont need u tellin me to do things, fuckin fite me

It's not even hard, type 30 commands and you're done. Then it's like any other linux distro. Install something ,add it to xinitrc and you're done. Same thing you'd do with debian.

>>45447936
do not bully netgear

>>45449568
stop talking about technology guys

>>45447110
You're a dumbass. Just make sure to write to the same hard drive and you'll be fine. Dumbass.

>>45458109
debian is way easier though, and you're not forced to learn what's exactly going on
arch is more educational

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I don't see the point in going through all the trouble...

Arch Linux isn't all that so why bother?

>>45462675
it's pure linux, what's not to like

>>45458109
you see. i never use my xinitrc file. am i the only one? lol

Am I missing out on something?

>>45463813
dunno anon, my xinitrc is only five lines and some comments

this thread got me to install arch now im trying to install xorg getting errors any help?

failed to retrieve some files
failed to commit transaction (download library error)
errors occurred no packages where upgraded

>>45464751
use a different mirror

>>45464751
are you connected to the internets?

ping google.com and see what kind of result you get

>>45447355
wpa_passphrase ssid_here password_here

poops out the configuration text if you're lazy

>>45464751
sudo pacman-mirrors -g
sudo pacman -Syyu

>>45463813
You use it everytime start X.

>>45451401
Spend my day on the arch forums helping people like you instead of studying for finals.

>kill me

>>45451551
I used Ubuntu before Arch and didn't even know what the difference between a WM and a DE was back then, because when you're using one of those distros you really don't even need to.

>>45454114
It is the correct way, that's what it's there for.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab

>>45466580
Yeah I read. I guess mine is just default. I use autostart.sh to do most shit. or something.

>>45466677
Ubuntu is really dumbed down. I used it for about a year once and I had no idea what a package manager was nor any basic UNIX concepts.

>>45466777
Never used synaptic? When I first got into linux about a year ago. I used the software center for about a week . Then got used to synaptic. It just felt cheesy to me.

>>45466777
It's not dumbed down. It's made so you can still use it quickly, but you can tinker with stuff as much as you like just like with djen-tooh or ortch

>>45466933
Nope. Didn't discover that until I tried debian. I just used software center without having any idea what I was really doing.

>>45466957
It is by dumbed down by default.

ubuntu is all good. Works well out of box. Good for desktop. Unity is gross though.

I'm an Arch user. But xubuntu is cool. gnome 3 aight too

What's with this losing an afternoon bull it takes me 2 hours top to install.
Then I just use my configs I've been using on ubuntu/debian for the past 10 years.
If it takes you more time it means you're still learning how GNU/Linux works and that's a good thing...

>>45466985
What do you mean by default? You can still use the terminal if you feel you should be hardcore.

>>45467055
>bull it takes me 2 hours top to install.
It takes me 30 minutes with my own install script
git gud

>>45467063
Unity. That shit is almost as unusuable as GNOME. You've got to get rid of it and install a sensible WM/DE instead.

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>teacher's laptop dies during presentation
>"does anyone have a computer i can use"
>it is time.
>volunteer riced arch laptop for presentation
>download from school site
>look up commands to get xrandr to duplicate to projector
>presentation uses libreoffice
>cuts off slides, removes her transitions, displays at improper resolution
>restart and boot to windows after 5 minutes
it was not time

>>45467248
I've given a presentation with my Arch laptop before. The VGA didn't work for some reason, but the HDMI did.

>>45466609
I figured that shit out though (needed a WM installed), most stuff was obvious. You shouldn't let anything distract you from your exams that your future depends on.

>>45466708
It's not though, Arch has automounting, that drive was screwed (Cruzer Edge, don't know if that has something to do with it, it's messed around with Linux before).

>>45467055
Now that I know the process, it wouldn't take more than 20 minutes including download times for the packages.

>>45467248
Your teachers presentation used Libre? It's not your fault it didn't work if it was a Powerpoint. People should be using open formats in this day and age.

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>>45463796
>Long install process
>No MTP to Android devices without installing shitty 3rd party applications that don't work all the time.
>No Games

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>>45467498
>>No MTP to Android devices without installing shitty 3rd party applications that don't work all the time.
what the fuck are you on about? are you salty because you're too retarded to install a package?

>>45462062
yeah copy pasting what the wiki says is very educational

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>>45467594
Now explain why I have to install go-mtpfs to facilitate a connection that's so ubiquitous that should be included by default

>>45467248
my teacher used arch but the presentations were PDFs

>>45467498
>Long install process
Nope. Arch installs quickly like all GNU/Linux distros.

>No MTP to Android devices without installing shitty 3rd party applications that don't work all the time.
libmtp

>>45467668
It's probably just some licensing thing. There's absolutely nothing difficult about typing pacman -S libmtp anyway.

MSC is more common anyway.

>>45467668
why are you smug when you're so incapable you can't even install a package?

>>45467670
>presentations were PDFs
That's the way it should be.

>>45467374
Same here op, I finally got arch installed a week ago after a few attempts, now I could probably do it without looking at the wiki.

>>45467758
>"I can not read"

My complain is that the ability for MTP should be included in the distro by default. The point isn't that it's hard or that I can't. It's that I shouldn't have to install a package. It's like if Windows made you install a program so that you can read and burn CDs

>>45467951
go use windows then, fucking retard

at one point, windows didn't have cd burning built in

just because windows has something, doesn't mean it becomes some fucking standard

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>>45468009
>OS doesn't have a function it should
>"T-Then go use windows retard!"
Thanks freetard. Nice to know that you're on the right side of innovation

>>45467951
>My complain is that the ability for MTP should be included in the distro by default.
Distros are probably not allowed for legal reasons to distribute that by default without paying some sort of fee. It's not really surprising considering the name is MICROSOFT Transfer Protocol.

There's a lot of shit Windows doesn't have built-in by default and it's much more annoying to fix than simply installing one package.

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>>45451375
>>45451362

I love these.

>>45449523
I use spectrwm, but I have no idea if it has been abandoned . Just works for me.

>>45468065
I'm retarded. The name is media, but it's still developed by microsoft anyway. So ignore that bit.

>>45468063
you even acknowledged it has the function, you're just too much of a faggot to realize that the philosophy behind linux is not to install everything, it's to give you a base OS which you can build on

>>45468065
Odd, since it's on my Debian system by default, without me asking to install it. You'll be checking your facts before post next time, won't you? Based kek.

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>Installing pleb vanilla Arch

You should install BlackArch like real men use:

>http://blackarch.org/index.html

>>45468066
I'm a long term windows 7 user, convince me to use Arch.
Seriously, I'm willing to, but I gotta have legit reasons.

I'm going to study programming next year.

>>45468745
programming on windows is total bullshit unless you're gonna go full c#/vb.net monkey mode

>>45469180
>>45469180
All people use it in the class I'm going to.

>>45469205
The language or the OS?

>>45469205
>CS students in introductory courses being plebs
That's not surprising.

>>45469220
The os, I don't even know what language you meant
>>45469227
That's one of the main reasons I wanna run arch. No one in the entire school has it.

>>45469262
what language are they teaching on your course?
this is important
if it's not c#/vb.net, then just install arch/ubuntu

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>>45469282
J-javascript b-because its object oriented. I don't think any of the new students have coded before including me..
I would have rather started with c, like /g/ told me..

No bully pls

>>45469321
>schools now programming with js
what the actual fuck
is this in the 3rd world?
yes you should really start with an actual systems language, not some fucking browser bullshit
but even in for your weird situation, you're okay with arch, so just install it

>>45447116
I'm tempted to do that. Instead I just have a squid cache on my pfsense router and my home server pacman -Sw whatever I need on a cron job.