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Reminder that USA sockets are the most well-designed of the worlds'

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Reminder that USA sockets are the most well-designed of the worlds' electrical systems, when properly installed. Lazy electricians are the source of most problems relating to our plugs.
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>murriclaps
>can't even use an electric kettle because they only have 110v

ayy
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>>45356000
Wot
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>>45356000
In america I heard that for some large appliances they have to use a cord with 2 plugs because each only supplies 110V hahahaha, while each of our single plugs gives superior 220V

Its amazing that they even have big appliances at all, it must be inefficient to use such low volts no?
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>>45356000
>can't use an electric kettle
what.
I use electric kettles all the time. Are you referring to the voltage difference? It means the difference of less than 2 minutes for a typical amount of water.

And I thought Americans were impulsive.
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>>45355980

Stupid question, but why aren't wall sockets standardised? I've never seen some of these before
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>>45355980
Daily reminder that all UK plugs have their own fuse.

Daily reminder that electric cars need converters from 110 to 220V in America to charge them in a reasonable time.
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>>45356010
>>45356000
American here. We use gas to boil water for this reason, and also because it tastes better. When I visited the UK everyone had electric kettles and they boiled in like 20 seconds, which is amazing. But the water tasted like plastic.

Anyway since "power" = volts x current, 230v systems can deliver twice the "power" to a device as our system but it doesn't really matter that much or have any practical applications.
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>>45355980
ahem, no
Schuko is master race!
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>>45356037
Nationalism mostly
Different countries want to prove that their electrical system is the best, and if they can't they just say its tradition and a facet of their unique identity so it can't be changed to a better one.
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>>45355980
We have Europe/German style here from your pic. It's fucking massive and grounded. What's so superior about your easily deform-able murican shit?
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>>45356044
this

Also, the US socket is sad.
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>>45356065
>Try to pull Shucko plug out of wall by grasping cord
>its stuck in wall firmly
>the wire comes out of the plug itself before it would come out of the wall and the frayed ends electrocute you
Icht bein master race plug
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>>45356044
seconded
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>>45356067
>Also, the US socket is sad.
Now you know why Danes are the happiest people.
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>>45355980
French Schuko is actually the best one, the German one requires a lot of effort to pull of from the socket.
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>>45356098
I have to say that the danish socket is adorable, its definitely the cutest looking one.
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Denmark look's so happy, tho
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>>45356100
That's the fucking point.
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>German Schuko plugs
>mfw trying to get them out
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>>45356088
>the wire comes out of the plug itself
Never happend to me nor have I heard about it.
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>>45356042

>American here. We use gas to boil water for this reason, and also because it tastes better. When I visited the UK everyone had electric kettles and they boiled in like 20 seconds, which is amazing. But the water tasted like plastic.

>implying the taste is any different
>implying you done a double blind test
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As an electrician I don't really give a fuck about the look but how it's installed
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>>45356122
They're okay if you never pull them out, the French ones are already pretty tough to get out.
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>>45355980
Why is italy plug just 3 holes in straight line? isn't that easy to accidentally pull out?
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>>45356123
they are called Schutzkontakt for a reason.
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>>45356100
>the German one requires a lot of effort to pull of from the socket.
So it stays there until you pull it out and doesn't easily slip out when it shouldn't happen.
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>>45355980
Why do Americans have such low volts? Is it because the people are stupider and might electrocute themselves so 110V is safer? Genuinely curious as to why not 220 like EU
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>>45355980
>USA sockets are the most well-designed of the worlds' electrical systems

But that's objectively false. British plugs are the best.

Listen to this guy telling you why they're the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

And here's an article on CNET where they say how "the American plug is a weedy little implement", and that "if Chuck Norris was a plug, he'd be the sturdy, kick-arse British plug": http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/plug-versus-plug/

Americucks BTFO
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>>45356158
And you can relatively easily bend them, not so well designed.
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Switzerland has the most compact solution.
Germans has the most secure solution.
Denmark has the most aesthetically solution and the most compatible solution.
I value freedom over security so Denmark plugs win...
American plug can never be considered good when they insist on 110V
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Well.

110v is safer than 230v.
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>>45356088
>>Try to pull Shucko plug out of wall by grasping cord
It's retarded to do that, it's not what cords are made for.
>the wire comes out of the plug itself before it would come out of the wall and the frayed ends electrocute you
1,If it comes out of the plug then it can't electrocute you since the socket provides the power.
2, This never ever happened. You probably have never seen how a plug is wired internally and how the mechanical stress caused by the cord is affects the plug.
I can only imagine this can only happen with some very cheap (and probably non-standard) plugs.
It is more common that the socket comes out of the wall if the electrician made a shit job securing it.
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>>45356000
My electric kettle works fine. What are you on about?
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>>45356190
The decision was made in ancient times when electrical appliances were not so common. 120V broke less of their shitty lightbulbs.
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>>45356202
>You probably have never seen how a plug is wired internally
This: see pic.
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>>45356198
If we're talking about safety the UK plug wins hands down
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>>45356202
>2, This never ever happened
Sorry, typo I meant to say This never ever happened to *me*.
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>>45356279
that is so unnecessary to have a fuse in each plug, it just increase the cost and not everyone will even know how to replace said fuses if they ever go out
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>>45356295

Even better. They'll just buy new stuff because of a fuse.
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>>45356042
the taste would be more about the kettle than the way it was heated. Unless you heat it over a campfire it is not going to taste all different.
as you said, 230v systems allow a lower current for the same power so that makes 230v a lot safer.
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>>45356295
>>45356311

Yeah, no. Children are taught in school how to wire a plug.
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>>45356295
this
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>>45356295
>not everyone will even know how to replace said fuses if they ever go out

What??

Are Americans really THIS dumb? Changing a fuse if elementary. They teach this shit in kindergarten
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>>45356042
Do you even ohms law? 100W 230V light bulb plugged into 115V would only deliver 25W

But you can boil water using a inductive heating device, powered by 400V. It is common to have 400V installations for kitchen in eu.
>>45356088
>being this retarded
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>>45356279
Americans always post these bait threads.
Everyone knows the UK plug is the most superior plug in the world.

- Safe, no housefires here boss.
- Strong, like odins cock
- Durable, you couldn't bend them even if you wanted to.
- Destroyer of careless feet
- Can be used as a mace in emergencies
- Superior voltage
- Did I mention they never break?
- Highest safety standards in the world

Hands down the best. Americlaps and Eurofaggots make it rain with jealousy.
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>>45356026

That's retarded. We have 240v outlets for large appliances.
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>>45356362
>yfw brits bombed falklands with their plugs, so argentinians got huehue'd
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>>45355980
>Reminder that USA sockets are the most well-designed of the worlds' electrical systems
How?
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>>45356362
>- Destroyer of careless feet
this is a benefit how, I remember the first time I visited the UK and stepped on one of those plugs... its much worse than stepping on a lego even like scattering spikes on the floor
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>>45356279

I'm more worried about the wire holder.
Plastic... teeth?
>>45356270
is simpler and hell lot more efficient that than crap.
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>>45356369
And heavy machinery.
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>>45356297

>there's an entire website for electrical socket trolling

For fucks sake you guys have too much time on your hands.
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>>45356369
I think that eurofriend misunderstood how Americans have a 240V outlet, where it IS actually made up of two 120V phases, the mains line provides 3 phases to the house:
1x 120V for normal power
2x 120V for 240V power outlets
its really weird how American electricity system works, someone had a picture explaining it once
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>>45355980
Denmark's is the most kawaii.
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>>45356042
>gas-boiled tastes better
Water should taste the same no matter if it's boiled or not. What the hell do they put in your water?
>electric kettle tasted like plastic
That's a case of a shit kettle.
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>>45355980
Schuko is mustardrice
though Denmark looks kinda cute :D

>>45356100
>the German one requires a lot of effort to pull of from the socket
stop being a little girl
>hurr, I want faggots to pull my cables from the socket when they stumble over them
no, I want them to break their necks, while my appliances continue to work
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>>45356392
Duh, it's so you can put the ends off of cords and use them as caltrops when making a quick get away, the UK plug hurts even when wearing shoes.

Though they are much less likely to break off in your foot, looking at you America.

British people are rarely stupid enough to flat-foot step on a plug and if you are, you fucking deserve the pain, look where you're going. it's how you learn now to bound around like a baby elephant.
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>>45356362
brit here....

never thought about it before but...can confirm, I have never broken or come across a broken plug....
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>>45356042
The difference in taste most likely has more to do with how the water is treated than what it is cooked with.I live in America and the water can taste different from town to town.
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>>45356419

>we need 240v
>ok just put two 120v lines together

Americans just dont give a fuck.
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>>45356042
>water in other countries tastes different
that's because there's no fluoride in our water, which is used by the jews to turn your kids into gay communists
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>>45356419
>2x 120V for 240V power outlets
That's not how it works
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>>45356454
You're damned right.
It would be like trying to bend a fucking mythril dildo. Our plugs are damned near dwarven technology.
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>>45356197

Swiss plugs are fucking terrible, especially since you can shock yourself if you put it in half way and because no one ever uses swiss plugs… even swiss bought electronics don't use them. Fuck.
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>>45356330
Lol what? That's what they did in the 1930's in pre-industrial Germany before Hitler invented the Schuko. How backwards is England?
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>>45356454
>>45356492
I have a collection of old plugs, some as old as 1960. They still work. The round-pinned ones probably work too but I don't have any sockets that fit them
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>>45356295
>not everyone will even know how to replace said fuses if they ever go out
>yfw
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>>45356486
Wrong.
Birmingham here.
We have flouride in our water, but it comes from a reservoir in wales. instead of becoming gay communists like the jews expected, we became bi-curious national-socialists

Your move, israel.
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UK plug socket best plug socket
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>>45356419
>the mains line provides 3 phases to the house:
This is not entirely correct. Most homes only have two of the three phases. Some people might have all three phases hooked up but that kind of depends on the area I think. Commercial buildings will almost always have three phase.
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>>45355980
US plug is shit as anything without the ground pin will sag out of the socket eventually.
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>>45356523
Round pins were a great step to what we have now, they are still safe compared to every other plug 50 years later. but BS-1363 is the diamond standard. the only possible step up is wireless.
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>>45356522
>He doesn't want to learn useful stuff
Are you from some liberal country where they teach 5 year olds about gender equality and why Jimmy has two dads?
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>see thread
>read thread
>be an EE
Holy Shit, do any of you even know what you are talking about?
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>>45355980
Actually swiss sockets seem the most intelligent to me because you can place them nearby in that way.
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>>45356569
>living in poor area with only 2 phases....
nigger I hope you don't do this.
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>>45356613
Well explain it then smartass :^)
laughing at others for "being dumb" without showing why is reddit-tier
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>>45356607
> America/Germany
> Implying this isn't already a reality.
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>>45356042
This is bullshit, it doesn't matter what you boil the water with, it'll taste the same; though I've heard that starting from cold tap water will taste better than if you pour already hot water into the kettle, though I don't recall why, maybe oxygen content or something.

Also plenty of homes use electric stoves. Most homes have special outlets just for the oven.
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>>45356613
>/g/
>knows what it talks about
I think /diy/ might be more suitable for yout tastes.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta I think this explains a bit on how the American system is set up, and where the 120, 120, 240 thing comes from.
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>>45356647
5 wire 3 phase 400V
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>>45356642
Residential areas receive 2 phase power, commercial areas receive 3 phase power.

2 phase standard outlets are 120v, however you can use both lines to get 240 volts for shit like your washer and dryer
3 phase power gets only up to 208, but can also put out 120vfor standards

More volts is not more better
we have things called losses
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>>45355980
>>45356191
>When inserted into the socket, the Schuko plug covers the socket cavity (1) and establishes protective-earth connection through the earth clips (2) before the line and neutral pins (3) establish contact, thereby preventing users from touching connected pins.

>A pair of non-conductive guiding notches (4) on the left and right side provides extra stability, enabling the safe use of large and heavy plugs (e.g. with built-in transformers or timers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko#Safety_features
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>>45356647
Water boilers are usually different(plastic) material then kettles.
Kettles do taste better.
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>>45356696
>More volts is not more better

Then why is power transmitted at 40,000,000 killavolts from the power station, and only stepped down when it gets to your house, if it isn't more better and with less losses?
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>>45356714
And? BS-1363 does this and more.
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>>45356733
holy shit, AC power doesnt have an average current aka 0, therefore theoretical losses of 0
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>>45356733
Transporting high amps needs thicker wires.
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>>45356696
>3 phase power gets only up to 208
That depends on the configuration of the transformers

Wye configuration = 120V/208V
Delta configuration = 240V

Very rarely and mainly on older installations you'll see delta with 120V/240V which is called "high leg delta"
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>>45356719
>Kettles do taste better.
stop eating cooking utensils
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>>45356714
But it loses in the being retardedly large category.
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>>45356191
>Britfag thinks British thing is the best
Wow, totally not biased at all, right?
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>>45356748
He means RMS tard
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>>45356330
Not any more
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>>45356419
So it's like here in Europe, we also have 3 phases for 400V and 32A sometimes up to 125A, we use them for stoves and strong machines like a circular saw.
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>>45356784
Science teacher here; they are. I do it.
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>>45356755
You're not the boss of me now.
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>>45356785
>we use them for stoves and strong machines like a circular saw.
We use them foor industrial devices.
Neither a standard stove or a sawblade need it.
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110v of freedom vs 230v of communism and monarchy

I know which I prefer
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>>45355980

go home you fucking imperial faggots

the metric alliance will win one day!
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>>45356785
Not exactly, commercial and industrial buildings in the US are like Europe. Residential electricity is a big mess and most houses are only wired for single phase.
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>>45356037
>why aren't wall sockets standardised?
They are, m8. Almost all industrialized countries are Europlug compatible. Notable exceptions include US, Canada and UK
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>>45356733
transformers provide isolation
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>>45355980
Based NZ/Aus 230v master-race.
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>>45356802
You sure you're talking about being taught to wire a plug and not just the basics of how the plug works? When I said not any more, I meant not taught how to take it apart and replace the fuse. Are you talking about being taught the diagram of the plug and the wires inside of it so people can pass the GCSE and then promptly forget about it, or are you talking about actually being taught how to replace the fuse?
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>>45356733
>>45356831
what this guy said, we want to prevent people on the line from putting their bullshit distortion on the main line, to that end we isolate with a transformer on the end of the line, not the beginning
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>>45356042
>and also because it tastes better.

This was a stupid thing to post. I am Canadian and everyone owns electric kettles up here.
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>>45356810
>Neither a standard stove
>>45356820
>most houses are only wired for single phase.
But then you have to wait for ever till your stove becomes hot, wtf is this shit.
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>>45356868
All of that.

Kids learn how basic layout of a plug in Year 8, and household/mains electricity at GCSE.
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>>45356037
"Too much work" according to most countries.

This god-tier standard is the latest attempt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1

And the EU has not approved it and the countries that actually adopted it made a NATIONAL VARIANT or (in the case of South Africa) made it one of a dozen standards.

And then there is Switzerland which has the predecessor specification and they adopted safety features from IEC 60906-1 into legislation that applies to new buildings, but the pin sizes and spacing remain as they were - making it another variant...
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I'll just leave this here
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>>45355980
IIT:
>my countrys sockets are better than yours
grow up
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>>45356647
>it doesn't matter what you boil the water with, it'll taste the same

Not entirely. Plastic boilers, especially new ones, can give off a plastic taste. Also, boilers turn off immediately when the water boils, while stove kettles don't. Boiling longer means more gas is dissolved, which makes the water taste fresher (running water has more gas than still, so evolution makes us favor it. that's also why we like carbonated drinks so much)
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>>45356909
They're such idiots that they use European electronics.
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>>45356909
>german power rail
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>>45356908
> not internal fuse
> god-tier

Nope. Britain wins again.
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>>45356098
>>45356123
Literally the most retarded design. The reason why the Schuko has the ground pin on the socket is so the ground is connected before the neutral and the line. Second, because of this it is incompatible with the rest of the EU sockets. Third, the socket looks appealing to children as a toy, so the risk of injury is higher.

Third, Danes are not happiest people, but the most ignorant ones with one of the highest use of antidepressants.

>Author of a new book on Danes asks if the secret to Danish happiness the ability to ignore unpalatable truths
http://cphpost.dk/news/opinion-extremism-danish-style.7262.html

>The latest available five year data indicate that the use of antidepressants varies markedly from just 4.02 DDD/1000 per day in Romania, 5.59 in Latvia and 6.03 in Bulgaria, to as much as 68.50 in Denmark, 70.09 in Sweden and 95.16 in Iceland. There was an average DDD/1000/per day of 40.01 across all countries.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0066455
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>>45356909
But they are fucking isolated from the ground. If that adapter gets wet, fuse will break and that's it. Noone dies, noone gets hurt. Water near that plug will be the path of least resistance, not the one through their brains.
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>>45356896
I remember learning about which bit of the plug is which and a bit about the safety features, but we definitely never wired a plug ourselves. Odd, whereabouts do you teach? I don't know if it would differ from region to region but I'm in Hertfordshire
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>be in yurop
>wires are all hot n shit
>lights flicker like mad yo

fuckin yuropoors man cant even wire a goddamn bildin wtf m8
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why does it even matter? i can buy something from france and use it in the uk with a converter
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>>45356941
Well what do you know. I would have figured that the Danes smoked week everyday.
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>>45355980
> flat pins
USA's plugs suck mechanically and electrically.

I don't know how they happened, but it's either absence of science or a 100% compromise towards manufacturing technology from 1-2 centuries ago (flat pins were easier at a time) with no update since that time.

>>45356615
IEC 60906-1 and variants (including the swiss one) are the most intelligent household plugs.

Mechanically AND electrically.
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>>45356909
>shitty European beer
>shitty European outlets

There's little American about that pic. Hell, the people in it are white even.
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>>45356961
It's the same syllabus everywhere in England, at least. Lessons are generally mandated, but, given a school's resources, you might not have had the plugs... You should have learnt how to wire a plug.
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>>45356939
>>45356939
is that really the male part of the socket sticking out of the power strip

do they have fucking electrified penuses sticking out ogf tthe fkin wallsin urp m8
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>>45356191
eurofag here brit plugs are horrible
>fuse in plug wow so progressive wow
we just have an electrical shield where every fuse is. Have your plug in a mess of cables deep behind your desk? Just stand up, open a door and check the fuse. Simple
>superiour 3 prong design! So amazing
many plugs dont even use the 3 prongs, since one of the prongs is plastic and it is just needed to open up other two.
Besides 3 prongs and cable on one side of he plug only means that you can have the plug one way. Ive had so many space and cabling problems because I cant face the plugs different way. Its literally fucking retarded.
Also many bathrooms have euro or us plug in them because bathroom appliances often use either of these.

UK plug worst plug. Just as retarded as uk bureorcacy or uk taps with one for cold and one for other.

UK people are literally retarded in many ways.
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>>45356924
People actually boil shit in plastic? Do they want cancer that badly? Pretty sure plastics all leech chemicals when they get heated or cooled too much. Why would anyone want to boil water in anything but metal? Though I hear stone boiling creates a nice taste, it's way too much of a pain to be worth bothering with.
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>>45356977
cylindrical are easier to stick unwanted stuff in

like baby penisis

do you really wanna fry ur bebes dick off m9
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>>45356569
>>45356629
>implying I don't have my home with tri-phase power
>implying I'm not european
3x230V aaaaaayy
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>>45357013
Fuse boxes? We have those too.

Can't handle quality engineering? European? Colour me surprised.
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>>45356330
lol no its illegal to do any electrical work in uk unless you have electricans papers.

I just came from glorious mainland europe where I helped my brother wire ventilators and halogen lamps in his apartments.
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>>45356940
> internal fuse
In every plug? No, that's stupid. IEC knows what they're doing.

Fuses (and the other safety features and monitoring equipment) belong on centralized, easy to maintain breaker boards that secure circuits rather than individual plugs.

It's cheaper and easier and just all around better... unless you're in a daisy-chain-entire-households-on-one-wire-due-to-wartime-shortages-somehow-continued-after-war installation like GB did it.

Then you NEED fuses and shit on the individual sockets, because you saved on the wiring...
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All this love for my country's moe moe kyun plugs.
That said, the only other option I would consider would be the German design for that famously sturdy engineering.

>>45356973
Apparently we do, I've heard we have the highest consumption in Europe, even beating out Netherlands even though it's mostly legal there and illegal here. I wouldn't know though, I don't smoke at all.
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>>45357013
Merkel pls go
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>>45357013
So basically your complaint is that you are too lazy to use a UK plug properly. You sound like the kind of person who would force a rod of copper into the fuse slot
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>>45357064
>breaker boards
We have those too.

But why have a whole circuit go down, when a device fails? Why not just the single device?
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>>45357035
Ehm, no. Only the diameter really matters for load capacity, so basically you just don't have the surplus parts...?
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>>45357064
>Fuses (and the other safety features and monitoring equipment) belong on centralized, easy to maintain breaker boards

So that when one appliance fails, the entire house is plunged into darkness.
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>>45356909

This is some Web 1.0 shit.
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I don't get it someone explain this to me.
The German Europlug (standardized in most European countries) is connect to a electric switchboard that in case of a surge turns off the power to all sockets and it is still backed up by 2 rows of fuses (as presented in the picture) before even being connected to the external grid ( ie: if the external fuse gets surged it burns out before even anything blows).

Now from what i'v seen in this thread i can presume 3 things.

>1º
Britfags have expensive house plugs that carry their own fuse so this means their house doesn't have any/or lacks decent eletrical countermesures agains surges(?)

>2º
Mericlap plugs are dangerous due to idiots who install them ( such a thing renders about 76% of housings in america due to the general retardation of the mericlaps eletrical engineers and tecnicians).

>3º
Plugs aren't standardized because :
A) countries have diferent infrastructures and don't want to get mixed with somone else's shitty apliances due to tax wars
B) It's too expensive to switch and it's quite unsafe to make the change due to the general public lacking the understanding how eletricity works.
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>>45355980
I'm an American, and an Amerifat American at that. Schuko German Style is the best. Period.
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>>45357049
uk plugs cause a fucking clusterfuck and they are horrible since the cable comes out of the side and you cant flip those around
so many times Ive had to spend extra money on an extension cable because the retarded design takes up way too much space.

If you could turn them around it would be different but no its retarded.

UK is literally not 1st world country by many standards. Cant even own guns because populase is too violent and stupid and allows filthy scots to have a word in their matters.
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>>45357148
forgot the picture
>it's the european eletrical fuses that connect to the external power grid, correct me if i'm they still haven't changed them
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>>45357148
Presumption 1 is entirely wrong.
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>>45357182
Prove me wrong, tell me that all the plugs don't cost another +4 € to make and sell.
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Your socket is automatically shit if it doesn't fit a euro plug. At least pretend you are following a standard.

Also the Schuko is the best, everyone knows.
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>>45357111
The whole circuit is a room or so.

And it should almost never trigger anyways. So having more compact plugs rather than paying for the safety features (not just a fuse, but power leakage detection, and all the stuff you can have) in every necessarily pretty bulky plug is a bigger concern.

We also have the option to use fused plugs and plugs with leakage current detection (the law does not care), but nobody picks that option unless they needed to retrofit security features into one plug that was hard to wire up with a third wire...
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>>45357148
>B) It's too expensive to switch and it's quite unsafe to make the change due to the general public lacking the understanding how eletricity works.
I think this combined with
>countries have diferent infrastructures
which is what started all of this in the first place-
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>>45357148
>Britfags have expensive house plugs that carry their own fuse so this means their house doesn't have any/or lacks decent eletrical countermesures agains surges(?)

We don't need countermeasures against surges because our infrastructure isn't falling apart like you Americans who dangle power cables from flimsy wooden pylons and wonder why entire towns have blackouts when the wind blows.

You can buy surge protectors on the plug if you are paranoid about it though
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>>45357144
No. Half a room to two-three rooms, typically. At most. There is more than one normal circuit per apartment.

Plus the higher voltage three-phase kitchen appliances / ... one with fixed installations that only electricians are allowed to do.

And it happens very rarely. And when it does, all you have to do is unplug whatever failed, go to the breaker board and flip a switch...
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>>45356026
You were tricked.
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>>45356486
>Eurofags don't even know what hard or soft water is
Why am I surprised?
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>>45357292
>not living in a limestone rich area and drawing your drinking water from a well while using the soft water main for the other shit
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>>45356465
Yeah it does nigger, 120-(-120) = 240
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>>45357225
Not an american not even close.
But
>We don't need countermeasures against surges because our infrastructure isn't falling apart like you Americans who dangle power cables from flimsy wooden pylons and wonder why entire towns have blackouts when the wind blows.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30221520
Acoording to this your grid is more unstable the a somali rebel with an ak on his hand.
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>>45357225
As an American, this does embarrass me. Why the fuck aren't we running our electrical underground where it won't get taken out by fucking car accidents or storms? Not to mention, the whole grid is aging, inefficient trash. Like yeah, I get it, it costs money to dig tunnels, but come the fuck on, we're already spending shitloads replacing downed or failed equipment constantly! It would pay for itself after a while. And think of the jobs it would generate.
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>>45357332
You undestand how Volt (V) Amp (A) and Ohms (Ω) work right?
120+120 volts 240 does not make.
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>>45357328
>not getting all your water from an artesian aquifer
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>>45357343

Underground?
In the ground?
Think this through a little.
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>>45357343
And who's to pay them?
EU's power supply, is mostly tall high load post's around the country side and it's underground while in cities.
And it works better the most.
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>>45356042
>Anyway since "power" = volts x current, 230v systems can deliver twice the "power" to a device as our system
volts^2/resistance = power
4 times the power, assuming the lines can handle the current
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Except for it's bulky size the UK plug is by far the best design
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>>45357338
According to the article you quoted;

>The report says that the UK has not suffered serious power interruptions for 40 years.

So you disproved your own point.
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Would someone mind pointing me to an article or something that shows how US sockets are shit in comparison to other countries? I'm trying to convince somebody that they're shit (and this person is taking it as a personal attack and feels the need to defend the US's sockets and thinks I'm just being patriotic when I say other countries do it better), and I'd rather link them to a decent, reputable source rather than 4chan
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>>45357343
Because it's far easier and more reliable to put them up in the air, not to mention safer for workers who service the utilities you can't just stick up in the air such as water.
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>>45357148
>blaming engineers for the work of cheapskate electricians
FUCK OFF CUNT
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>>45357419
You can totally put water in the air. Romans did it all the time. We just choose not to.
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>>45357412
If you can't even think of why they're shit why are you arguing that they are?
There are better sockets, but the US sockets are not shit.
If you want shit sockets look at Japan which is basically American without a ground or Russia.
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>>45357343
For the most part, any new construction does put the lines underground.
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>>45357434
Romans did it because they had to. We don't do it now because its stupid, especially since things like clean water and natural gas are pressurized.
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>>45357409
Did you read the part where
>Last month National Grid confirmed that the spare capacity in the electricity network had fallen to 4.1% for this winter.

>The margin is expected to go even lower next year as EU rules force more old polluting power plants to switch off.

Any "minor" alteration in the grid could cause massive power loss.

>>45357421
I'v seen Engineers being lazy and fucking up whole installations due to "silly" simple things, so yeah lets include em.
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>>45357456
This dumb bitch thinks she knows everything about electricity because her dad is an electrician and she lived with him briefly. I know enough about electricity to know that the US design is worse than some others, but I don't know enough about it to argue it with her (and she will just refuse to believe me until I back it up anyway)
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>>45356888
>But then you have to wait for ever till your stove becomes hot, wtf is this shit.
In Murrica, we cook with gas.
You can take your shitty electric ranges and fuck off.
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Except for the non-standard, bulky and non-turnable design, its the best because of the expensive pointless fuses, and it will land with its pins up. By far.

Why is it good design again? How does it beat the Schuko?
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>>45357489
The only real issue with US plugs is that many manufacturers skimp out on the metal used for the prongs. You could argue that they don't have extra bullshit like grounding on every appliance, switches on the socket, or fuses in every plug but those are just over the top safety features when it comes to every day use.
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>>45357484
>engineers
>having anything to do with installation of residential wiring
the fuck?
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>>45357552
for>>45357395
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>>45357412
Most people don't write articles about things people don't have a realistic choice about anyways.

(It's not like you can install a better socket type in most countries, or get devices for it...)

You need to read in-depth spec sheets by the standards organization and plug manufacturers to see why the US plug is (say, mechanically) worse *beyond* it being flat and thus electrically rather silly.
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>>45357563
European house instalation's now demand the presence of an eletrical engineer while planing house blueprints.
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>>45357587
>>45357552

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q
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>>45357654
We were talking about US residential wiring though, which has nothing to do with Yurope employing shitty engineers.
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>>45356733
>>45356831
Also, you guys know that the cross-section surface of the cable increases as you want to transfer more current on it. Otherwise it will heat up. It can even cause a fire. P=UI
The only thing increases with the increase of voltage is the insulator requirement. Certain air distance can be used for that as well. That makes transferring high voltages efficient.
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>>45357559
Beh, apart from the grounding, this doesn't even need to exist.

Fuses should be like these and on DIN rails, in a central box.

I don't think GFCI and RCBO and stuff are mandatory in the USA yet, though? That's one thing that's bad over there, isn't it?
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>>45357690
All this is true in Schuko plugs, except they and most plugs doesn't have all the con's of britplugs.
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>>45356486
>which is used by the jews to turn your kids into gay communists
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>>45355980
Aus / China are based because it reminds me of BTTF
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>>45357751
I don't know the terms you're throwing around there but fuse boxes are universal here.
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>Denmark
>Not the most based there

Israel's looks like some kind of fucking alien. Jews = reptiles confirmed?
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>>45357751
By the way, before some faggot complains: This is a demo/incomplete installation - I always think it's interesting to see a bit more of some internals.

When finished, it'll look something like this. Nice and clean.

Half our household installation is like that now, the other half (just fuses) is older than me, apart from the GCDI that was added later.

Modern is obviously clearly superior.
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>>45356191
How can any plus be the "best"? Canada fag here and there's never been a moment where I thought "Damn I wish these plus were better." I've been to Nepal, Malaysia, Australia and Thailand and I never thought those plugs were inferior or superior in anyway. It is annoying to carry around adapters though.
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>>45355980
Enjoy fighting over your pussy bitch power while I use some real manly socket for real men power.
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>>45357392
>what is reactive power
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>>45357811
Fuses are overcurrent protection.

However, installations also should have leakage detection, because you can electrocute yourself (or waste power in a power leak) at the kind of current a line supports.

The latter aren't something that is mandatory in many countries, because it's like... cold war "recent", and most don't like mandating these newfangled security features like ground wires and GCFI.
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>>45357900
I'm sorry, but your socket is really a plug.
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>>45358018
Please don't discriminate or I call the PPJW(Power Plug Justice Warriors)
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>>45357343
Privatization of public utilities. That's why it's a disaster.
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>>45358047
Whatever, just leave me out of your plug on plug filth.
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We invented electricity lol so of course we'd have the best. Get reckd eurofags.
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>>45355980
Italian socket is master race. Sturdy and compact. All the others are three-two times the size. And for what?
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>>45356158
>accidentally unplug
It never happened to me, and id rather have it pop off without damage to the cord than have it break some internal wire.
>>45356196
Yeah if you pull on a 90 degrees angle on the plug with all your force, but the more easy outcome is you warp the fucking socket out before you can even think of bending the plugs.

Really, use them before saying dumb shit. They are the smallest and they are good, all the others are retardedly big.
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>>45357900
photon pls
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>>45356908
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>>45357249
Why should my computer power down just because of a fault with my vacuum when cleaning?
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This reminded me of this shitty lamp i have. why do i still use this? this cant be safe. This lamp is ugly and shit.
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>>45356991
Congratulations, you found out it's a joke.
Clap.
Clap.
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>>45360275

>safety
>what that?
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No plug is safer or more durable than the no ground American.
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>>45360359
>durable
I've seen about twenty of these things bend in my lifetime
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>>45355980
The European one can be made so it can be plugged in both directions
Americans suffer the usb paradox even with plugs
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>>45360369

Just bend it back.
Fuck.
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also... why don't we use these as wall sockets?
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israel plugs look fuckin cool
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>>45360369
Maybe lose some weight and look before you sit lardo
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>>45360359
>not having the round spike ones and being able to nibble on the tip with your fingertips before you insert it into the hole
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>>45356362
>Eurofaggots make it rain with jealousy.
I think that was uncalled.
As a "Eurofaggot" I actually agree that UK plugs are the best, german ones come second.
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>>45356394
>re worried about the wire holder.
>Plastic... teeth?

There is usually a plastic strap which is screwed over the opening. It holds it pretty tight.
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>>45356190
Sorry, we were too busy inventing electricity.
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>>45356714
GOAT power connector
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>>45360275
small potatoes
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>>45357370
>not drinking unionized water purified through reverse osmosis and evaporation
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>>45356454
why do you... not have the ability... to finish.... your sentences...
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>>45356714
This must be a huge bitch to carry around to charge your phone.
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>>45361603
Amature.
Sad thing is the is only half of it. I'll redo it properly someday.
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>>45357343
American here. Power lines are underground where I live.

The issues are that 1) It's expensive due to low population density compared to europe
2) Poor infrastructure planning decades prior
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How the fuck do amerifags drive proper appliances!?
Have they got twice the amps or something?
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>>45362400
We use 240V on appliances. This has been mentioned multiple times.
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>>45356696
>more better
>less losses

dat fractured english
'better' is a comparative that doesn't take 'more', the same is true for the equivalent in all romance-based languages: GOOD BETTER BEST. SIMPLE.
FEWER losses. FEW. FEWER FEWEST. Fewer trolls, fewer autists, fewer moments of fedora tipping. LESS shit.

Try harder.
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why are eurolards perpetually confused about things americans do?
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>>45363461
Because you always do the less logical thing to do.
Per example you are still using the imperial system when even your own scientists recognized the superiority of the metric one.
You can drive 3.5 tons care before being legally able to drink alcohol is also another thing that will always puzzle me.
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>>45363512
And Europe is the bastion of logic and reason? Euros are like Vulcans, but significantly less smart and twice as smug.
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Do we need another world war to standardize the entire world's electrical system?
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>>45356696
residential power in the us is different. You are really getting two leg single phase power to your home. This is because of how the distribution transformer works. Only industrial areas actually get three phase power because it requires extra distribution hardware.
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>>45363512
Fahrenheit makes more sense for outside temps and C makes more sense for computer temps. Why would you limit yourself to just metric or just imperial?
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>>45356039
Electric cars have battery voltages around 400V, so they always convert up no matter what. But for the same amperage, you get twice the power out of 220V, so it's preferable to wire a charger into that.
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Switzerland's isn't real. That's the joke.
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>>45357316
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Do you americunts even have 540volts? How do you power heavy machines?
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>>45356297
Westinghouse, please go.
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>>45364405
480, generally
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>>45364475
OH yeah that's what I wanted to say
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>>45356000
>electric kettle
>mfw yuropoors can't even afford gas stoves to properly boil water
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>>45364405
Usually if you have a motor that needs "horsepower" amount of energy to run you move to 3-4 phase 480v supplies.
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>>45357316
>>45360275
>>45361603

OSHA would have a word with you
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am i safe from terminal overload
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>Danish grounded plug
>not being in the top three with the British
:)
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>>45364405
277V/480V is common in industrial and sometimes commercial buildings
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>>45364512
murrika strong
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>>45357359
>120+120 volts 240 does not make.
 120
+120
----
0
4
2

(2 * 10^2) + (4 * 10^1) + (0 * 1^1)
200 + 40 + 0
240


I'm an american, and I have a 240v outlet in my house that I use for welding equipment. They're not installed in most places because they're not usually necessary, but our power grid does, in fact, support them.
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>>45357359
It certainly does, that's exactly how houses have 240 volt outlets. It's just the two 120 volt buses tied together.
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>>45364775
It's actually just a 240V transformer with a center tap which is tied to ground.
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Since we're talking about electricity, how do you know how much watts something uses in an hour? I know you get watts by multiplying amps and volts, but how would you measure kilowatt-hours? Let's say something uses 12v with 1.5 A making it 18w, would that be 18 watts per minute? Hour? EE freshman babby here by the way
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>>45364968
It's actually not very easy to tell with most devices. The current rating is not how much current is being drawn that rating is just a maximum. The actually amount of current drawn depends on the device. Honestly the easiest way to do it would be to just get a watt meter.

Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009MDBU/
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>great tier (does the job well)
British
Schutzkontakt
IEC Plug
>acceptable tier (does the job well, but is unnecessarily unique)
Australia/China
Denmark
Israel
Russia
France
Italy
>not ideal but does the job (works okay, but not as good as those above)
American
>literally retarded megastupid tier (like it says on the tin)
Japan

Japan gets its position because of their retarded power grid, and the variability in frequency they provide from their power sockets.
See pic related.
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Masterrace reporting in.
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> Deploys server to a client
> Server room is positively ancient
> Those big round black buttons from the 60's to manage lights
> "Don't worry anon, it's fine as long as you don't stamp on the ground"
> "What the fuck happens if you stamp on the ground"
> "The power drops for a second"
> mfw
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>>45361636
>not drinking unionized water purified through reverse osmosis and evaporation

> Not having a digital dissolved organic solids meter on your tap
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>>45355980
>Australian socket is upside down
Ayy lmao, epic meme.
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>>45356000
>ELECTRIC
>FUCKING
>KETTLE

How stupid do you have to be to use one of these?

Microwaves are several times more efficient at heating water

using an electric kettle instead of the microwave is like making a better bow and arrow instead of switching to silenced firearms
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>ground is on bottom, live prongs are aligned and on top. anything that falls between the socket and the plug will probably cause a short
>plugs tend to fall out like a gay man's anus, increasing the risk of sparks and shorts
>typical cords stick out instead of running parallel to the wall

Rotate the socket 90 degrees and recess it a bit and it's golden
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>>45365362
>american
>microwaves everything, including water
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>>45365362
W-what. Everyone in my country (Australia) uses a kettle.
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>>45365382
That plug is already in use
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>>45365323
Actually that's the chinese socket, the ones in Australia are rotated 180 degrees.
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>>45365385
>American
>Discovers that the right frequency of radiation heats water
>Most of their food contains water
>Uses that radiation to heat their food instead of wasting electricity or driving up their gas bill
>Saves time and money

>European
>"fuck that, kettles are cozy. MUH CULTURE."
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>>45365448
Are you really telling me that putting electricity through transformers and magnetrons and beaming energy through the air where some of it gets absorbed by water is more efficient than directly converting it into heat and applying it to water?

You are a special kind of retarded.
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>>45365416

He's just a retarded amerifat

>microwaving water

pot jej
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>>45365362
>microwaving water
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>>45355980
The plugs in kikeland are the best, I can say that from experience…
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>>45365503
>electric kettles dont have transformers
>heating elements aren't inefficient as fauk
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>>45365683
No, they don't have transformers. They also turn 100% of the power used into heat.

Microwaves are only 64% or so efficient: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven#Heating_efficiency
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>>45365712
>They also turn 100% of the power used into heat.
tell me more about your mystical anglican superconductors
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>>45356042
not sure if anybody mentioned it but the power rating of the line depends on the wiring. Depending on material and size the wire can handle X Ampere current before it heats too much and the insolating material breaks.
So, since P = V * I, Imax is determined by the cable and for the same cable 'murrica can deliver half the power than europe, hence the double plug sometimes.
Remember older external HDDs that came with two usb ports because one wasn't enough to power the circuit? Same principle.

Also, 'murica has the potato prize for most retarded plug, but this was a bait thread anyway
>bulky
>sad
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>>45357000
Different guy here, I took my GCSEs in 2008 and I don't remember doing shit about plugs, The only thing I remember that's even slightly relevant is showing that connecting/breaking circuits can turn off a light. Then again, I missed half of Year 8 due to a broken leg. West Mids here
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>>45365741
Turning electricity into heat is probably the easiest thing you can do. It is one thing we can do with perfect efficiency. A simple resistive heating element is quite good at this.

Normally in most systems where you are trying to consider efficiency heat is a byproduct that is undesirable because it is not the work you are trying to do (just like is mentioned in the microwave efficiency link I posted).

Almost 400 out of the 1100 watts you use in a normal microwave ends up as heat that is wasted and not used for cooking. The 1500 watt electric kettle I have turns all 1500 watts of electricity into heat.
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>>45365800
and how many of those BTUs end up in your earl gray? is your kettle cool to the touch?
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Italy is clearly the best and the most unique
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>>45365816
>not making tea by placing distillation chamber over the stove, dumping water directly on the heating element, and tea bag in the receiving flask

hahahahaha what a fucking faggot
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>>45365816
Depends on the exact model, some are nice and insulated and others are just plain glass or metal for the walls.

You still lose less heat to the outside environment by convection and radiation off a hot kettle then you do with a normally operating microwave.
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>>45365868
What can your kettle make besides hot water?

My microwave can do so much more.

It takes a lot of joules to manufacture a superfluous kitchen appliance that is only kept around for the sake of backwards tradition.
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>mention that I boil my drinking water a while back
>get laughed at for living in a 3rd world country with no portable water from the tap
>come to this thread
>/g/ arguing about whether boiling water with the gas stoves or electric kettles is superior
>OP has a picture of power plugs
How did I end up here
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>>45356190
It's because 120 opposed 2 phase is cooler than 240 single phase.
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>>45365894
>I boil my drinking water a while back
You fucking wot
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>>45365893
Because using a specific tool for a job is faster and easier than using a general purpose one in its place.
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>>45357371
So you're saying clapistani are too retarded to insulate wire?
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>>45365904
p-pls no bully
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>>45355980
Schuko4lyfe.
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>>45365932
>faster and easier

moving the goal posts are we
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>>45365894
In America you can drink water straight from the tap and not get worms and diarrhea. People don't use the tap for boiling water the tap gives hot water but it's not boiling hot so it's not really suitable for tea
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>>45365963
S-same in Australia?
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>>45365973
Well I would hope so at least.
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>>45365946
Refer to the pic I posted before, you will keep pulling something out of your ass to say why they are bad and I can't be arsed anymore to dig up facts to refute you. I have better shit to do.
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>>45364405
480v or sometimes 600v
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>>45365249
>spending ~$300 for a plug

nah
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>>45363386
This is one of the most autistic posts I have seen on 4chan, good job.
"More better" is something typically said in jest because it sounds silly. You would know this if you tried talking to people.

That anon made a joke that flew completely over your head. Pull the stick out of your ass.
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>Americans still use an ancient retarded technology for their flushing toilets and actually require toilet plungers on al toilets
>superior australian toilets never get clogged and can handle even the most collossal shits as well as half a roll of TP with a single flush
>meanwhile americans clog their toilets even with their pitiful little pellet turds since their obesity has them constipated so often

I'm only slightly joking
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>>45365894
Where do you live that you need to boil your water to drink it?
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>>45365868
>convection
I assume you mean conduction since the kettle is a fluid...
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>>45355980
>Reminder that USA sockets are the most well-designed of the worlds' electrical systems
Reminder that Schuko plugs were designed by Germans, and thus are over-engineered and safe even when installed by lazy electricians
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>>45366043
I was talking about heat from the outer walls of the kettle to the air actually.
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>>45366029
You don't want to know
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>>45366072
Right, which is conduction...
The air then transfers the heat by convection, since that is a fluid, but that's outside the local system of the kettle.

Also, I notice that I wrote 'is' instead of 'isn't'.
A kettle isn't a fluid.
The water in the kettle is a fluid, as is the air around the kettle.
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>>45366096
Yes, you are right.
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>>45356190
The amount of volts doesn't matter as much as the amperage does: 0.1A is enough to kill you.
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>>45356198
Like I said to the other anon, volts don't really matter, the amperage (current) matter a lot more - 0.1A can kill you.
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>>45366354
Basically, the 60Hz is more dangerous, but it does'nt actually matter so much.
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>>45356000
the trips have spoken
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>>45364775
Two 120v lines combined would give a 120v line with twice the current.
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>>45355980
you fucking faggots will argue about anything
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>>45366401
Not if the two 120V lines are at different phases.
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>>45357359
They're 120 in opposition. The phases are 180 from each other
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>>45355980
BTW OP, this is the wall outlet right side up. Please stop posting them upside down.
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>>45360413
For plugs where it doesn't matter they just give it two small blades
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>>45363512
The USA has never used the imperial system of measures. We us US standard which is similar, but broke of from traditional english units before the Imperial system was codified in the early 1800s. This is why the US gallon is different than the Imperial gallon, the US ton is different than the Imperial ton, and until 1954 the US inch was very slightly different than the Imperial inch.

Also the USA has used the metric system back to the 1860s.

Being dual unit is nothing to be ashamed of. Your ignorance however is.
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>>45363866
Do you really want tge whole world switching to american plugs?
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>>45365963
Meh, I use cold water and the sun to make it like god intended
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