>Hoping for early access to BitTorrent’s first serverless chat client? We have good news. Today, we will begin letting testers try out the Pre-Alpha. We are also unveiling its name: BitTorrent Bleep. Why Bleep, you might ask? Well, basically, we never see your messages or metadata. As far as we’re concerned, anything you say is “bleep” to us.
It already looks better than Tox in pre-Alpha and they don't even need an email address to get an account when it goes stable.
Seriously, this already looks like a better Skype alternative than Tox based on what has been shown so far.
Video calls, offline messaging and Linux/Mac ports are coming, and the UI makes uTox look like shit.
Tox is kill. It's inevitable now.
> Hello Goyim, we heard you wanted privacy, so we created this closed-source Skype alternative which we promise is encrypted and totally anti-NSA
> Trust us Goyim, we're the good guys, we would never spy on you or give a backdoor to the NSA, we swear.
Surely no one is this stupid?
You know. This may be true but there is obviously a reason. We need to work on better communication and collaboration. That's really it. You think collectively we couldn't do all of these things and far more? We most certainly can, we just need to work "together" and correctly (well...?).
What would the point be?
Your server is the middleman. The only person that message will ever come in contact with is your server, the two players, and anyone who already MITM'd one of the players.
>shilling your surveillance machine that nobody on /g/ or anyone who cares about their security will use
pls go bittorrent
it's probably gonna be used by plebs who don't actually have anything to hide but want privacy, but anyone GENUINELY concerned about the security of their messages won't use something closed source created by a business, and windows only shuts out a huge audience.
Just installed it. It works just like Tox. You get a public key and then you choose a display name for your friends to see and you can change the display name anytime you want. It's literally just like Tox.
Tox is fucking dead when this goes stable.
And until you prove empirically that it has malware on it, it's just a conspiracy/paranoia. Also, you are already running it under Windows.
Just use PGP for your "super-secret" messages, like people already do.
Jesus fucking christ, it's like no one has damned brain anymore
Because Bittorrent Inc. is a corporation and they have developers to pay salaries to. When BT Sync and Bleep go stable, their installers will have ads and partnered software offerings to monetize them.
Developers are payed by the company, they care jack shit what they do with the software after that because they have already been payed.
Freeware, therefore, is a retarded concept and has no purpose. If they are distributing it for free this means they are technically not getting any benefits from it, so why not make it libre?
At best it will be proprietary to add shitty ad services and avoid forks without them (not like ads can't be blocked without taking a peek at the source code though, therefore it's still retarded), at worst it will include nasty spyware.
>Developers are payed by the company, they care jack shit what they do with the software after that because they have already been payed.
Somebody forks your software. Nobody uses your software anymore because it has ad offers in the installer and just use the libre ones without ads. Developers stop getting paid, and development grinds to a halt. Project over.
Keeping it closed source is the only way for a corporation to hire fulltime developers to maintain this.
If you don't want to use it, just use Tox. Most people will instead be using Bleep, though, because Tox will have zero marketshare compared to Bleep, because of marketing, corporate support, resources, etc.
This is solved with marketing since people who genuinely want to avoid ads will still block them. It's not hard to modify your hosts file and some programs even do it automatically.
>At best it will be proprietary to add shitty ad services and avoid forks without them (not like ads can't be blocked without taking a peek at the source code though, therefore it's still retarded), at worst it will include nasty spyware.
No shit, sherlock. How else do you expect a corporation to do do this?
Firefox has "ads" actually, just functional ones. Still, even if there was a fork that stripped them down only a few people would use it.
You can already block said ads in Firefox by modifying a few settings, so people who genuinely don't want them don't even need a fucking fork for that.
I am definitely going to use Bleep over Tox because:
1) People will actually use Bleep, probably in the millions.
2) It will be so fucking easy to use that my mother will use it.
3) The email address support alone will make people want to use Bleep over Tox because if your computer dies, Tox will lose your buddy list unless you do a manual backup while Bleep will have your email address handy as a backup in case your computer dies.
Exploited by your average 3 letter agency for 3 fucking years and would continue if a certain non NEET entity didn't do a little analysis. How can a NEET FLOS code be secure?
the presto engine in opera has been around before both gecko and webkit, and now it's DEAD. you know why? because they realised webkit is superior and everything is heading the webkit way
whoever used anything other than opera in the old days either used INTERNET FUCKING EXPLORER or that horrible piece of shit that netscape was
and then every one of the fucking newfags on the internet started using firefox like the fucking newfags that they were
it's time for gecko to die
i give it a year, two tops
>>Millions of people? Fucking seriously?
You don't think Bleep can get millions of users? Are you retarded? There's already millions of users still using the old Bittorrent client.
Do you even see Tox on every major publication like you see Bleep Alpha on? Nope.
Face it. Bleep is Tox done right, with a better chance of succeeding.
>There's already millions of users still using the old Bittorrent client.
You fucking moron that client is being developed with uTorrent. It's identical save a few ads and shit they add
>No ads, either.
Alright, this is now officially suspicious. A lot of fags were arguing here some posts before that it was closed source to keep ads in place. Now, how the fuck are they gonna justify it being proprietary?
Stuff like this should be open source, even if it wasn't free. If they just decided to close the source and they aren't going to plan on getting money from it in any conventional ways, then there is enough reason there to not touch this piece of spyware in your life.
oh us web developers will fucking love it when firefox starts misbehaving again as usual
this shit is the internet explorer of our days
there's ALWAYS a fucking bug in mozilla and whenever i go through their bugtrackers it's fucking hilarious
>Closed source program
I hate Tox advertisements and the software as much as any other /g/entooman does, but closed source chat clients offering end to end encryption will not win over the audience.
skype was well known to be the most secure messaging service of all when it came out, and for several years after.
there were numerous stories about governments banning skype usage because they couldn't spy on the conversations going through the network. India was one of them.
And then skype got bought out by Microsoft and 2 years later we are informed by Edward Snowden that Skype and Outlook Online are wide open to the NSA, but only the NSA because terrorism.
Skype *was* encrypted. It isn't anymore
I doubt you were even around before netscape went under and founded mozilla.
firefox exists because IE 6 was BROKEN, completely broken, barely useable. Non-standardized web was in disarray because of it.
the first time I used FF was on a school computer, I had no idea it was netscape code (not stating an opinion of netscape), and at first I hated it because it wasnt internet explorer, then I realized I hated internet explorer.
and gecko wont die, if anything spider-monkey will be replaced with v8. and it probably wont be in a year or two.
you think heartbleed would have been found by some random guy if openssl weren't open-source?
IF it were discovered (which It probably wouldn't have been), the company with the source wouldn't have told anyone because they want people to trust their software
Can somebody photoshop Bleep putting the flowers on Tox's grave?
i'll humour you anyway
>firefox declares !important user-styles
>removing properties in new versions just to fuck shit up
>arguing for years over bugs that still exist on the bugtracker
it's not -webkit- properties, fag
the guy that submitted the heartbleed effected implementation of that standard was a postgraduate student.
what does NEET mean again?
obivously you are not employed educated or in training, enjoy flipping burgurs.
doubt it. or the mere mention of ie6 would elicit a vivid horror of flashing popups crushing your screen and your modum as you waited for your 120x200px picture of boobs to load.
Tox has been a failure from the start because its trusting NEETs with securing your private thoughts and data.
If Tox was done by somebody like Mozilla, or the Linux Foundation, nobody would have a problem with it.
Trusting Tox after heartbleed is a bad idea. These weeb NEETs have zero idea what they are doing, and Bleep is just like Tox from the looks of it.
tox can succeed if they fucking
where the fuck is group calling with video? where the fuck is offline messaging? what the fuck is going through your head when you think tox is going steady when you can't add basic ass features that are necessary for it to match the capabilities of skype, or be useful at all?
it has a lot of potential, but the devs are fucking stupid for not adding this essential shit yet.
The amount of shilling in this thread is ridiculous.
Does anybody think its a coincidence that as soon as tox gets a usable client (uTox) Some MPAA Sponsored closed source alternative springs into existence and attempts to obsolete tox, and gets enormously shilled in the biggest concentrated area of tox users?
You realise that Bleep has no offline message or group video, or even video at all? Meanwhile Tox is making great progress towards offline messaging and group video. You're criticizing Tox for something it does better, that makes no sense at all.
i'm not advocating bleep, i'm just saying that tox will never catch on until it adds important features that should have been added months ago.
»Meanwhile Tox is making great progress towards offline messaging and group video.
1) you cant shill a product that doesnt have customers. Tox project doesnt sell anything to the best of my knowledge. So you are wrong objectively on that point.
2) only reason someone like the MPAA would push a clone is to neuter it. it would loose in the market tox (or some other full featured product) would be the benefactor of any development or advertising they did.
>you cant shill a product that doesnt have customers
you can if a stable version hasnt been released yet.
>2) only reason someone like the MPAA would push a clone is to neuter it.
correct. the fact that the MPAA sees tox as a big enough threat that they would create bleep means that everyone should keep using tox
>where the fuck is group calling with video? where the fuck is offline messaging? what the fuck is going through your head when you think tox is going steady when you can't add basic ass features that are necessary for it to match the capabilities of skype, or be useful at all?
Weebs are too busy watching animu while Bleep already has more users with their pre-Alpha today.
>the fact that the MPAA sees tox as a big enough threat that they would create bleep means that everyone should keep using tox
You people are delusional if you REALLY believe that anyone is trying to compete with little known software made by a bunch of neckbeards.
Tox was made as an alternative to Skype. Firefox just came out with their own video and voice calling, and Bitorrent is releasing Bleep. Both are just competing with the already established giant, which is Skype.
you really think that the mpaa owns the company that created the bittorrent protocol and publishes the most popular torrent client?
you really think you can win in the free market with an inferior product?
I'm not saying that anything the bit torrent people have done recently has any merit, but what you are talking about has no basis in reality.
Group video is being developed in a separate repository and is nearing completion.
The design of offline messaging is already done, along with most of the implementation (which was actually written as part of the group chat stuff originally, as announce messages for group chats). You're very naive if you think Bleep has been developed overnight, it's likely been in development for as long as Tox has, if not longer. I'd be very surprised if Bleep gets group video chats within the next half a year, but Tox is nearly there.
>MS gets called out by Snowden leaks for being the NSA's lapdog
>omg /g/ is the only group allowed to think of anything that could be safer
>if anyone does anything similar to my idea it means they stole it from me because I am a genius
>omg /g/ is the only group allowed to think of anything that could be safer
better /g/ than bittorrent with closed-source software
>if anyone does anything similar to my idea it means they stole it from me because I am a genius
I didnt even help develop tox
What is the motive of this people desperately defending Bleep? Why do they hate Tox so much? Why are they so desperate for something to 'kill' Tox, rather than something they can use for secure messaging? They seem to not even care about the actual software, only that it kills Tox.
>Realise that Tox does more
The only thing Tox does more is having more clients, because its a fragmented piece of shit.
Seriously, go back to your Tox thread and go make Tox client for Linux number 57 or something.
>>Why do you feel the need to shill for BitTorrent?
Why do you Tox devs have to make 7 different Linux clients? Why can't you stop being autistic and make just one Linux client?
Also, how much money do you think you will make by selling Tox t-shirts? You guys are talking about that in your thread right tnow, right? Do you think you guys will be able to scam some money out of people by selling t-shirts now?
Because there aren't "tox devs". There are people that decide they want to help with something. Tox doesn't employ people (besides GSoC). You can't force someone who only knows C to work on a Vala client, or vice versa. You've got the people who know C all working on one client, and the people who know Vala all working on another client. How hard is that to understand? If we said let's just have one client, then all the Vala devs would be sat there doing fucking nothing. Holy shit I can't figure out whether the average /g/ user has an IQ of 65 or there's some serious fucking shilling going on.
>it's pretty usable
>but nor for daily use
That may be so. What I mean is that there will be those that see Bleep and want something that's open-source instead, both users and developers. Tox supporters just need to advertize Tox whenever Bleep is mentioned anywhere.
>A software that is free has a big bug
>which is common in all software
>in the case of proprietary software the devs often alert the alphabet soup agencies to the bug so they can exploit
>>"hurdur freesodtware bugs guise luk. Plz stap in stalin goo puls lugnuts" - Sweaty Ballsmer
That is the opinion of a LOSER.
Are you a LOSER anon?
/g/ is not full of LOSERs, at least some of /g/ are WINNERS and some of those WINNERs are working on Tox RIGHT NOW.
Only a LOSER would think Tox is kill, real WINNERs would never give up on Tox on some FUD.
Tox is not kill.
Tox is WINNER.
>What I mean is that there will be those that see Bleep and want something that's open-source instead, both users and developers.
Yeah, a meaningless number of people. Bleep is already being Tox with one pre-Alpha on one platform.
You LITERALLY just said the same damn thing for Bleep. Bleep can claim what they like, but it doesn't mean it's true. They can claim it's secure but that doesn't mean they haven't put a backdoor in it, and you have no way of checking.
How long do you think Bleep has been in development for anyway? Fuck you're retarded.
>/r/technology 5M subscribers
>/r/privacy 36K subscribers
Except it is protected, legally under the GPL. I was for permissive licenses like MIT/BSD, but GPLfags really do have a point.
I kind of wish Tox were as easy/simple to set up and use as Skype.
Sure, not everyone I know would use it, but if it is p2p and could offer better better video quality as a result, I'm sure my lady and family would use it when we talk to each other.
>4 years from now
>year of the non-free Linux desktop
>Richard Stallman commits suicide
>Bleep is the most popular IM program
>Skype is dead
>Google buys Bleep for 6 billion shekels
>Bleep is no longer decentralized
How big of a dumbfuck are you? Tox is open source text, voice, and video with solid cryptography.
This Bleep bullshit is closed source and from an organization that is pretty much a known collaborator.
I wonder which one I trust more.
They're doing even worse in /r/technology and if you look at the comments it's people warning people that it's probably backdoored and that it's useless because it's closed source.
>utox in linux
>bleep in technology
>bleep in privacy
keep on shilling fgt
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Faggots detected. Network services are not free or nonfree. Sorry if I did not understand it to be P2P.
Oh, and all these Toxfags crying of their loss in war makes me laugh.
Correction: Tox is harmfully licensed as GPLv3+ with non-free logos, and doesn't obey the DFSG. The developers have built proprietary tools and released them on GitHub. Even the documentation is incompatible with the software, and was non-free.
No efforts have been made to solve these issues.
Pic related, stqism being a faggot after the Tox logo got removed from Wikimedia Commons for violating copyright. It still remains deleted.
Mhm. Listen, my unintelligent chum, your half-witted posts are proven most detrimental to our community. Why don't you leave this place and find somewhere better suited to your own interests, like 9gag? You fucking moron!
even better discourse please continue flinging shit in a /b/ tier fashion surely that will convince 3rd parties to side with you. also i am not AP but tox is literally a gargantuan sack of dismembered penises.
Wow. It's just a proprietary tox clone with botnet.
Why bother if there is already a FOSS solution?
Fuck off, shills.
Anyway, it's nice to see that some large company like BitTorrent inc. steals ideas from 4chan.
>can be installed on one device
whether or not tox is secure is a testable hypothesis. its a matter of investigation and running the expirment. Its science
bleep is faith. you read the page and belive it or not, but there is no way to ever prove it to be true. When your god is the NSA you might as well bend over, spread your cheeks now and let the priest fuck you now.
You know, until today I didn't realize shilling ain't no joke. It's absolutely obvious. This whole thread. I mean, I can care less about privacy but god am I now concerned about you shills.
So how much you get paid? How does it work? I want in.
I think it's quite funny that you have to attack the people who create it rather than the properties of the software itself.
Open source is inherently more secure than closed source, and closed source can never be guranteed to be secure.
If it's not open source you should automatically assume there's a backdoor, especially so called privacy software.