Vegan General

>>42883570
>low quality bait
>posting off-topic
>shitposting outside of /b/

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>>42883570
There is estrogen in milk. True. But there is also estrogen in soy and you should not consume that either unless you want to be a limp dicked numale. Both are bad.

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bumping

>inb4 muh canines

VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Vegans brains are so addled that they think you can raise an INFANT as vegan and expect it to be healthy and develop properly -- which it will NOT. Any pediatrician will tell you that you should not feed a baby a strict vegetarian diet, it will sicken, fail to develop, fail to thrive, and ultimately DIE. Pediatricians who encounter parents who insist, against all professional medical advice, in feeding their infant a Vegan diet, are reported to the police and to Child Protective Services, because it is legally considered CHILD ABUSE. What does THAT tell you?

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

More evidence that Veganism is a LIE and actually hurts humans in the long run:
Veganism DESTROYS the fitness of pro athletes
https://blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

>>42883570
moderate meat consumption is preferable.
Like twice or so a week.

This way you don't need to strictly watch your diet and supplement with crap you are missing out on.

All the male vegans that do athletic sports I have know stopped at some time because they got less performant and one even catched sickness. all kinds of deficiencies.

but I agree that you shouldn't be eating meat everyday.

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>>42883570
physiology

>inb4 muh evolution

MEAT GIVING US CANCER IS NOT FILTERED OUT BY EVOLUTION BECAUSE WE REPRODUCE BEFORE WE GET CANCER. YOU DUMB FUCKS.

Vegan diet healthy for all stages of life

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

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Vegan B12

>>42883622
Most ridiculous argument ive ever heard

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>>42883570
>tfw ate 3 eggs, 100+ grams sausage, large glass of milk today
feels good man

discord.gg/RVeSXm

vegan /fit discord chat

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>>42883570
So why do you guys constantly demonize and attack anyone that doesn't follow your diet instead of making a nice general that doesn't start off the thread with comics filled to the brim with intentional logical fallacies?

>>42883597
The amount of estrogen in milk is physiologically irrelevant. Less than 50 ng/liter

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All vegetarians should go vegan immediately

'Accumulating evidence shows that consuming milk or dairy products may contribute to the risk of prostate and ovarian cancers, autoimmune diseases, and some childhood ailments. Because milk is not necessary for humans after weaning and the nutrients it contains are readily available in foods without animal protein, saturated fat, and cholesterol, vegetarians may have healthier outcomes for chronic disease if they limit or avoid milk and other dairy products. Bones are better served by attending to calcium balance and focusing efforts on increasing fruit and vegetable intakes, limiting animal protein, exercising regularly, getting adequate sunshine or supplemental vitamin D, and getting ≈500 mg Ca/d from plant sources. Therefore, dairy products should not be recommended in a healthy vegetarian diet.'

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1638S.short

>>42883622
not a vegan but dude .. your arguments are just retarded.
better an hero and end your misery pal ;^)

>>42883622
Actually fossil fuels come from dead plants, not animals.

>>42883863

The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

>>42883570
Godspeed wimps

>>42883791
I went hunting yesterday and killed an assload of rabbits. I don't even eat meat. I just like killing animals.

>>42883919
>Proud of lack of moral integrity

sad

>>42883935
>not killing himself immediately
Cuck.

>>42883952
oh, the irony

40% of US population flirting with B12 deficiency (includes meatcucks)

'A careful look at 3,000 men and women in the ongoing Framingham Offspring Study found 39 percent with plasma B12 levels in the “low normal” range--below 258 picomoles per liter.'

https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2000/b12-deficiency-may-be-more-widespread-than-thought/

>>42884020
Try again, Alanis. And also please kill yourself. I'll settle for castration, though.

>>42883919
>Kills rabits
>wolf/big cat population declines
>invasive species has a chance to invade due to lack of predators
>destroys certain plant species
>cannot migrate due to concentrations of predators in surrounding area
>carrying capacity for rabbit and invasive species population begins to decline
>don't catch up to the declining carrying capacity
>you completely buttfuck an ecosystem and the diversity declines, soil retains less nutrients
>mfw a sibgke faggot killing some rabbits doesn't make that much of a difference but there are tens of thousands of hunters who do this kin of shit so their combined autism assblasts the planet

>>42883629

What does eating meat twice a week do for you that would mean the difference between having to watch your diet and take multiple supplements or not? Surely on those other 5 days without meat you're getting enough nutrition, right? What would be wrong with 7 days?

>>42884049

Magnesium is another common deficient mineral for basically everyone in the first world.

>>42884183

YOLO FAGGOT

>>42883631
Horses have dichromatic vision, making them inferior at color distinction
All mammalian brains rely on glucose
When not hibernating, bears barely sleep at all. Humans function optimally with 7+ hours of sleep per night. Compare this with large non-primate herbivores such as cows and horses which sleep less than 4 hours per day.
Humans and other primates have small mouth to skull ratios because of our enormous craniums. Horses also have large mouths, as your picture literally shows.
That we have the ability to chew food does not mean we cannot, should not, or evolutionarily did not eat meat.
Humans don't have canines because biting has never been a primary means of killing among primates. Canines are not for eating, but wounding. We shear flesh for consumption with incisors.
Human stomach acid is not 4-5, it is less than 1, and among the most potent of all animals, comparable to that of vultures
You do not need fiber to stimulate peristalsis
The human GI tract is 5 times body length
Our colon is quite simple and many times smaller than both non-primate herbivores and even that of other great apes.
Human pee is acidic under healthy conditions
Cats and dogs have an extra subdivision in two of their liver lobes, other than that, they are structurally the same as ours, and proportionally no larger
Digestion time varies based on what you eat, but for humans it's usually 6-8 hours. For comparison, dogs are 4-6 hours, cows are 1-3 days, and cats are 20 hours. Go figure
Anatomical homology between humans and greatapes says nothing about diet
Humans and horses are the only mammals that sweat to cool down, even other great apes have minimal sweat glands which seem to be used for pheremone secretion
This chart is bad and you should kill yourself

>>42883622
>chronic amino acid deficiency
Pretty much every food item has a complete amino acid profile
>driving is cheating
Plants get a portion of their nutrients from dead animals, the idea is to not engage in animal farming practices
>People I've known have had personality changes from returning to eating meat
Anecdotal evidence. Also lacks methodology and is heavily biased
>Vegan infants fail to thrive
At similar rates to infants with meat in their diets
>Humans are omnivores
Doesn't really change anything, there are plenty of omnivorous species that rarely consume meat, if any at all, which thrive
>Evidence that veganism DESTROYS athletic preformance
From a supplement company which is relevant due to meat inclusive diets

>>42884266

>Human stomach acid is not 4-5, it is less than 1

This is the first thing I looked up from your post and it turns out you're both wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric_acid

> The pH of gastric acid is 1.5 to 3.5[1] in the human stomach lumen

>>42883894
Shitty study that just gave people milk on top of their regular diet with no change in activity. You know what happens if you do that? You gain weight, and adipose secretes estrogen. The milk itself just doesn't have the hormone in physiologically meaningful concentrations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20494161
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/512140
And for good measure, https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160803124441.htm

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>>42883919
hunters are the pinnacle of autism

>>42884323
>>42884266

Wait nevermind, the image was right. It says with food in the stomach, not empty

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=275

>The normal human stomach has a pH which can range from approximately 1-3 but is usually closer to 2. When there is food in the stomach the pH can raise to as high as 4-5.

>>42884330
Vegans are the piccacle of being a bitch

>>42884326
None of your studies tested on humans

>>42884335
The image is not right, it says acid ph. Obviously when you eat food, be it plants or flesh, it's going to shift way towards neutral, this goes for all animals

ITT: meatcucks getting owned so hard they can hardly come up with anything better than third grade arguments

>>42884326
Also not done on pregnant cows like OP study

>>42883919
No you don't edgelord

>>42884355
A study on mice with controlled diets is better than a study on humans without dietary control. But more importantly, the fact that milk has an irrelevant amount of estrogen, far less than what adult men produce on their own, means that the hypothesis that milk estogen results in a physiological increase cannot be true.

>>42883631
THIS

>>42884369
They were done with standard food grade milk which is produced by pregnant cows

>>42884383
'The men and children drank 600 mL/m(2) of cow milk. Urine samples were collected 1 h before the milk intake and four times every hour after intake. In men the serum samples were obtained before and 15, 30, 45, 60, 90 and 120 min after milk intake.'


'After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men. Urine concentrations of E1, estradiol, estriol and pregnanediol significantly increased in all adults and children'

dairyfags eternally rekt

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

>>42884357

> this goes for all animals

https://thevetisin.com/carnivores-omnivores-herbivores/

>Carnivores are able to keep their gastric ph. down around 1-2 (similar to industrial strength hydrochloric acid) even with food present. This is necessary to facilitate protein breakdown and to kill the abundant dangerous bacteria often found in decaying flesh foods.

how much % of your diet is in proteins fellow vegans?

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Canines tho?

>>42884445

>complete vs incomplete proteins
>not showing sugar content which the PBJ has double

>>42884430
These acute effects on serum sex hormone levels are due to eating in general. This effect is observed at the same level regardless of the composition of the meal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3224778/

Malnourished fucks.

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>>42884526

>>42884456
>thevetisin.com
https://news.ncsu.edu/2015/07/beasley-acid-2015/
"One surprise was that, while the researchers classified humans as omnivores, human stomachs have the high acidity levels normally associated with scavengers."

>>42883570
LOOK AT ME I'M VEGAN XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I'M FUCKING VEGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M!!!!
VEGAN!!!!!!!

V E G A N
E
G
A
N

who else here /vegan/?

hey! you! sir! I'M VEGAN!
>who are yo-
I'M VEGAN
>please go aw-
I'M!
>leave me al-
VEGAN!

I'm so vegan it hurts. you know what my favourite thing to do is? being vegan. YOU DON'T APPRICIATE THE ANIMALS PAL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

so fucking V E G A N
YES
V E G A N 4 L Y F
VEGAN
YES

>>42884481
>>42884465
In both instances the "beef" used is over 50% fat. Also the black bean nutrition is just a straight up lie, for that many calories it has less than 10g protein.

>>42884502
What steak has 9 fucking grams of fat for ever 5 of protein?

>>42884602

Right. 1-3 when empty, 4-5 with food.

>>42884633
Meatard shocked vegans are in vegan thread.

sad

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>>42884633
I laughed but meatcucks need to stay away from this thread.

>a single vegan thread on this entire board
>OMG there are actually vegans in here

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>>42884720

>>42884633
kek

>>42884693
>meathead
I'm vegan. I bet you're not even as vegan as me kid. 1v1 me animal rights I'l rek u scrub. vegan4lyf bro

>>42884730
lel

if meatcucks would be so eager to change their diet in a morally acceptable way as they are with editing photos, we would have way less problems on Earth

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>>42884754
come at me brah

I bet you meatheads don't even bathe in kale water. pathetic

daily reminder if you don't inject wheatgrass you're not even vegan

anyone have easy recipes for lentils?

Any other frutarians here?

>>42884784
actually lolled at this one

>>42884770
The vegan survived instead of the meatcuck, therefore veganism wins.

>>42884802
but you do it in a vegan fashion? if not you're a fucking murderer dude. I bet none of you fags are even vegan. bunch of posers I bet you don't even smoke quinoa.

>>42884866
stupid phone deleted "did" but you get the point. veganly

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>tfw mom caught me snorting cabbage

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vegan uprising when?

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>not being vegan

OP pls check latest vegan general form

>>>/pol/141733742

CARNIES BTFO XDDDDDD

>>42884986
that general isn't even vegan you poser *drinks kale and wheatgrass smoothie*

>>42884903
>>42884938
>>42884995
>>42884957
V E G A N
E
G
A
N

I'M

>>42885038
VEGAN

>>42884558
Nonresponsive.

I derive my sense of personality from my dietary habits

>>42884266
>Horses have dichromatic vision, making them inferior at color distinction
Horses eat grass, there was no evolutionary reason to be able to distinct color.

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>>42885273
I'm veganer than a horse. I eat dirt. get on my level

>>42885297
HORSEKEKS BTFO

>>42884769
The biggest problems on earth are kikes, shitskins, and commies, in that order. You're at least one of those

>>42885358
NO. IT'S PEOPLE WHO AREN'T VEGAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>42885358
go back to /pol/ autist

>>42883570
That image is incorrect OP.
The image is depicting the animals as "anyone".
"Anyone" is defined as
>any person at all
"Person" is defined as a variety of methods to describe a human being or the personality of a human being.
This meaning, an animal is not a person. That meaning animals are not part of anyone.
.

Quick sources from Meriam-Webster:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anyone
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person

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>>42883597
>comparing mammal estrogen consumption to plant phytoestrogens consumption

k

>>42884526
>Doesn't really matter what the amino acid profile is at higher amounts.

>Remove the jelly from the PB&J, it's not rocket science

any other grievances, meatcuck?

>>42885414
>Animals are things
You interact with your dog, you name them, you care for their well-being and you call them he or she, not it
You ask them "who's a good boy/gir;", not "what's a good dogthing"
You don't interact with your fridge, you don't give it a name, you don't care if it "dies", and you call it an "it", not a he or a she.
You don't tell it "what's a good fridge"
To further drive the point home
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/something
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anything
Neither of those definitions fit animals, nor does any of the example sentences below.

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>>42884507
>shows off powerful canines
> can only eat the most tender of meats
>complains if he has to chew a piece of meat too many times
>actively tenderises meats before eating
>cooks meat a specific way so its not too hard to bite
> hurts teeth is accidently bites down on a piece of gristle or soft chicken bone
> gets food poisoning if meat is not cooked properly
>has heart attack at 52 due to high meat consumption
>doctor tells him to cut out meat and puts him on a high vegetable diet

mfw

>>42885545
lmao, meatcucks when will they learn

>>42883674
Hey cuck how do you know the b12 itself isn't from some animal?

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>>42885545
You forgot
>Never actually cuts into a piece of flesh with his canines, never cuts it with his incisors, never swallows it whole
>Meat has to be cut to 1 inch width max (steak), usually less, sometimes pre-chewed (burgers), you never and I mean NEVER bite down on an entire carcass like Obelix, that behaviour is "animalistic" (fucking LOL the irony)
>From there he may or may not tear it with his incisors, but more often than not he will use a knife because lmao1mm "claws"
>Doesn't swallow, but rather chews with his molars

>C A N I N E S T H O

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>>42885599
B12 is produced synthetically

>>42884558
I fucking hate the taste and mouthfeel of lentils. Cooking them is really annoying compared to beans too.

>>42885654
Inb4 "bacteria are animals too you hypocritical murderer"

>>42885535
You can also call an inanimate object a good boy or girl.There are people who refer to their automobiles and other inanimate objects as "girls". So are you going to equate those inanimate objects to being the same as a human because people refer to them as such?

Neither of the definitions for something and anything or anyone or person?

>>42885682
Either blend them in a soup or mix them in with corn in a dish. Corn has amazing texture.
Oh and learn to spice your food.

>>42885694
I think the important distinction is that animals are sentient and feel pain, whereas cars aren't and don't. Pretty fucking obvious actually.

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>>42885645
checkmate vegans

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>>42885740
look at this herbivorous animal's canines. really makes you think huh?

>>42885715
You're trying to change the subject. I am not trying to argue the level of intelligence at which eating a particular living thing is or is not morally justified. I am pointing out that the use of a word in a comic is incorrect.

>>42885694
>are you going to equate those inanimate objects to being the same as a human because people refer to them as such?
This post is a red herring, you are distracting from the point of my post because you don't want to have to answer because you are too fruity to admit you were wrong
Animals are not things.
Some people, maybe out of cuteness or out of actual obsession, may refer to their shotgun or car as a "she". They may also refer to the car as "wheels", that doesn't mean that the car doesn't have a chassis, seats or an engine.
More dictionary dicking around:
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thing
Animals definitely don't fit here
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/individual
Animals do fit in here, read the 3rd definition
>Neither of the definitions for something and anything or anyone or person?
What are you even saying

>>42885778
Yeah, I thing that a gorilla's diet is 3% meat (mostly insects or rival gorillas) so if we are to define our diet by our place in the animal kingdom and the size of the canines of our relatives, then we should eat less than 3% meat (because we have smaller canines). Oh and that meat should come from insects or other fellow primates, and it should be raw

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>>42884307
>Pretty much every food item has a complete amino acid profile

This is an obvious falsehood.

>Plants get a portion of their nutrients from dead animals, the idea is to not engage in animal farming practices

Shifting the goalposts.

>Anecdotal evidence. Also lacks methodology and is heavily biased

So quite similar to what vegans claim all the time then.

>At similar rates to infants with meat in their diets

No substantial study backing up your claim. Where are the stories of kids dying from malnutrition because of their wacko meat-inclusive diets unlike the oh-so perfectly sane vegan diets that parents force on their offspring which has led to a number of deaths?

>Doesn't really change anything, there are plenty of omnivorous species that rarely consume meat, if any at all, which thrive

Indeed it is very relevant. Those species that thrive the most do what they are adapted best for. Just because one can subsist on X out of X and Y doesn't mean they should do so.

>From a supplement company which is relevant due to meat inclusive diets

No different to all the biased bullshit studies vegans pull to denounce meat eating.

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>>42884445
Who the fuck eats a McDonald's cheeseburger to get their protons

>>42885796
>This post is a red herring, you are distracting from the point of my post because you don't want to have to answer because you are too fruity to admit you were wrong
I am not wrong. You have yet to prove that.
>animals are not things
False.
Humans are things. Animals are things. An animal is not a person though, a human is.
The definition of thing contains several examples that can be applied to an animal and a human.

You used the pronoun "those" which did not specify which definitions or example sentences. "Neither" was also used meaning that it was a pair of subjects replaced with the pronoun "those". I asked which of the 2 sets of definitions you were referring to then.

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Meatcucks will defend this

>>42883570
>Not understanding that all killing, no matter plant, creature or otherwise is still killing
>Not joining the glorious revolution of the breatharians
>Eatcucks leave

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>>42885917

>>42884266
So much of what you said is wrong, it's painful to even entertain debunking this post.

>>42884487
I do about 10-15% of my calories from protein.

>>42885978
It's painful because you are an effiminate soyboy who cries over cows

>>42885831
Gorillas eat 40 pounds of food a day

>>42885939
>breathing oxygen molecules in without their consent

Absolutely savage.

>>42886035
Lies of the biomatter jew.
BREATHE!

>>42886006
Says the milk-drinking fag who will get bitch tits and erectile dysfunction.

should we force all carnivore animals to eat only plants?
>inb4 but humans aren't carnivores
We're not, and that's not the point, I want to see how consistent we are.

>>42886068
Obviously, all forms of things hurting eachother is illeagal and should be stopped by supreme force of arms.

>>42884633
>you eat meat bro?
>ya
>yasssss slayyyy XDDDDDD

>>42886056
My dick works fine and I don't have gyno, because I'm not fat

>>42886081
The most effective method to allieviate animal suffering is to kill everything on earth

>>42885903
I won't waste my time with the first half of your post becaue it's obvious shitposting
>You used the pronoun "those" which did not specify which definitions or example sentences. "Neither" was also used meaning that it was a pair of subjects replaced with the pronoun "those". I asked which of the 2 sets of definitions you were referring to then.
Neither "something" nor "anything" have definitions that animals could fit in, so the argument that "animals don't qualify as 'someone' or 'anyone' because they don't fit the definition" is false.
And since I presented a definition by which animals are closer to humans than things (see the definition for "individual" again), this means that the comic was correct in its use of the word "anyone"
Another point to be made
Humans are alive and sentient
Animals are alive and sentient
Humans are animals
So, it is possible to "force your way of life" on an animal just like it is possible to do so on a human, and sperging over the applicability of the word "anyone" in the context of "animals" is a red herring, again.

>>42886019
Gorillas don't have access to cooked beans, pasta, hummus and peanut butter

>>42886130
Of course not, because if it did we'd have a second species causing irreparable damage to wildlife and nature by growing those.

In fact you probably kill more animals protecting crops and making farmland than a butchery on a busy day.

Imagine if meatcucks were even 5% as interested in the well being of the Earth, the well being of animals, or not being manipulated into a cycle of endless pharmaceuticals as they are in asserting the legitimacy of their diet based on systematic, non-renewable slaughter.

>>42886169

lel
Meatcuck thinks animals don't eat

>>42886188
Lel foodcucks not realising the true evil, consuming the flesh of other biobeings.

K E K
E V I L
K E K

>>42884558
Tbh this is the real reason why people should shy away from meat eating, it's fucking expensive. Even buying a fancy pants organic quinoa bag of quinoa has better macros, more healthy fats, more calories, and more micros than the equivalent dollar value of any meat. Same goes for beans, lentils, pretty much every legume and grain.

Over time if you spent five less dollars on food per month, then by the time you're 60 (considering you're about 20), you'll have enough money for about 20 units college. But that's not all, most people would not save a measly 5$ per month by cutting costs for meat in half, but instead much more.

Don't eat out, meal prep and derive your fats and proteins from plants, eat all kinds of potatos, nuts, and greens. Even if you're a piddling retard you could save 15-20$ a month. A functional person could save more. In the span of 10 years you could save enough money for an associate's degree.

These are tangible, predictable, valuable returns on something very simple, and it wouldn't even require you to go completely vegan. If this doesn't convince you, and you feel insecure about meaning in your life at all, here is your evidence of self-sabotage

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>>42883570
cows, sheep, pigs, chickens are all biological machines that we invented from a wild specimen to produce products for us

have zero issues consuming them

>>42886118
I am not trying to defend the abuse of animals my friend. I am only trying to show that the use of the word "anyone" used in the comic is incorrect.

The definitions of anyone states:
"any PERSON at all"
It doesn't say thing, something, or individual. It says PERSON. Now, does the definition for Person contain anything relating to an animal?" No, it does not.
You then tried to imply my statement "of an animal is not a person" was "animals are things". That is not what I said. Though, an animal is a thing.
Following such, you then made a statement saying that because an animal is referred to as something a human can be referred to, that meant an an animal is a person.
I replied saying that non-living things are also referred to with the same terms used for humans. This meant that THINGS can be referred to with the same terms a PERSON does. Therefore a THING (as that's what a car, animal, and person are contained in) is not equivalent of a PERSON (as this does not contain a car or animal.)
After stating this, you started outright claiming that I am wrong despite not proving my conclusion incorrect. You also started to delve into words that are not indicative of a person to somehow defend your conclusion that an animal is a person.

>>42886303
>I am not trying to defend the abuse of animals my friend
Never said you did
>I am only trying to show that the use of the word "anyone" used in the comic is incorrect.
I dealt with that at the last line of >>42886118, read it again
>somehow defend your conclusion that an animal is a person.
I literally never said or implied that, and if you think I did you have poor reading comprehension

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>>42886325
>this is the peak of vegan intellect
>you may not like it, but this is it

>>42886360
amazing argument 10/10 go back to eat your tendies now

142 replies
37 posters

>typical vegan circlejerking-cuckoldry thread

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>>42886325
So it being a red herring means that it is incorrect? If it was a red herring, then am I distracting anyone else from discussing? Is it not pertaining to the topic of the thread, which contains an image with an incorrect use of a word?
>>42886325
>I literally never said or implied that, and if you think I did you have poor reading comprehension
You tried to equate that the usage of "girl, boy" meant that it was a person as the usage of "girl, boy" is used for a person. DID YOU NOT?That meaning, you tried to say that an animal is person.

>>42886130
Neither did we, 200 years aho

>>42886130
Yes they do. They're just not intelligent enough to make them, or ask for them.

>>42885438
How does my post have anything to do with neckbeards?

>>42886233
per gram of protein, only some beans are cheaper then chicked breast, and then you've used up all your cabs that you could have eaten something actually tasty like bread or potatoes

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>>42886130
so you're saying that the vegan diet is not natural and only can be achieved today due to modern food and would not be possible for our ancestors unless eating multiple kilograms of food daily

>t.gotcha

>>42885860
>Obvious falsehood
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/25/e197
Obvious truehood. Proteins regulate cellular permeability, a variety of proteins are required to do this.
>Shifting goalposts
Maybe for Vegans(TM),
>Anecdotal evidence is permissible because vegans do it
Two wrongs don't make a right
>Similar to what vegans claim all the time
Two wrongs don't make a right
>No substantial study backs up your claim
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/31/5/805.short
Define substantial
>Doesn't means X should subsist off Y
Doesn't prove any of us right or wrong, just opens the realm of possibilities
>Vegans shill supps too
Two weongs don't make a right

>>42886489
I never mentioned protein, protein has a lower consumer cost in the short run, but costs more in the long run since it requires at least ten times more land, water, and food to produce. Also if you think tastyness is more important than financial stability and mobility then there's a different issue at hand.>>42886503

>>42886503
yes. they call this progress

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Organic protein ethically harvested

>>42884330
I'm jealous desu, that looks badass

>>42884330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBTr6OLAHB0

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I know a lot of you "vegans" actually still use shit like beef broth to flavor your rice. "i-it's just a cup of broth it doesn't even really affect my body anyways" You jackasses.

>>42886617
Why the fuck is it in a boat?

>>42883570
>Processed meattrash lowers test
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>For total fasting serum testosterone (T) there was a significant interaction between diet and time (P < 0.01). Thus, the V diet resulted in a lower total T level (13.7, 9.8-32.4 nmol.l-1) (median and range) compared with the M diet (17.4, 11.8-33.5 nmol.l-1). During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05).
>http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/1435181
>Plasma levels of testosterone and estradiol-17 beta were significantly lower in the SV than in the omnivores.
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
>Blood concentrations of sex hormones did not differ after the two diets, but the mean testosterone:oestradiol value was 10% higher (P = 0.06) after the meat diet.
>http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/11103227
>Our results indicate that in men a decrease in dietary fat content and an increase in the degree of unsaturation of fatty acids reduces the serum concentrations of androstenedione, testosterone and free testosterone.
>http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0022473184902541
>A lower nocturnal release of prolactin and testosterone occurred in men fed a vegetarian diet...
>http://www.cancerletters.info/article/S0304-3835(79)80054-3/pdf
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

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>>42883570
>Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man
>Casomorphine in milk keeps you addicted
>Milk gives you acne
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992

>>42883570
>Heme iron in red meat gives you esophageal and stomach cancer
>Meat gives you colorectal cancer
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

>>42883631
>>42884384
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an
>extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?zx=19c1d9e7ae7f06a5
>>42883570
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html?zx=2d3721dac5591029

>>42886738
>he doesn't fish for his deer

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>>42884465
>>42884481
>>42884502
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/animal-vs-plant-protein#section1

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>>42886933

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>>42884465
>High Cholesterol
>Saturated Fat
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>(cont.)

>>42886969
>(cont.)
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42883570
>meatcuck
>aussie calling anyone a cuck
Don't you have some abo Lebanese did into suck?

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>>42886879
>>42886885
>>42886896
>>42886917
>>42886969
>>42886978

>>42884445
>comparing a healthy home-made sandwich to McDonalds
1cup of chicken breast - 43g of protein. Completely stomping both sandwiches.
https://www.chick-fil-a.com/Menu-Items/Chick-fil-A-Chicken-Sandwich
Chick-Fil-A sandwhich has 28g of protein. That's more than half of the daily recommended amount.

I like to do pickles and peanut butter though. It tastes god-tier and the peanutbutter doesn't choke you to death that way. Nice and vegan too.

>>42886943
>100 grams is 100 calories
',:^)

100 grams of broccoli = 34 calories
100 grams of beef = 250 calories

The original image is obviously misleading, but you're barely able to read it.

>>42886932
kek

>>42885687
I wouldn't doubt someone trying to argue that, there are people who legitimately try and argue that plants feel pain, Joe Rogan being one of them...

>>42883597
It's been proven soy estrogen has no effect. The most unhealthy thing about soy is it's hard to digest if unfermented, drains more energy from the body than it actually gives. On that note, tofu is probably good for weightloss, idk I've never been fat I'm a vegan.

i I honestly don't give two shits about animals. I just don't eat meat because it's unhealthy.

>>42888185

>The most unhealthy thing about soy is it's hard to digest if unfermented, drains more energy from the body than it actually gives

Where'd you hear that bullshit? Or are you mistaking it for celery?

>>42886722
The beefstock in my cupboard is 100%vegan as are many brands of stock.

>>42884465
But 4oz black beans is 385 calories

Why did they lie?

>>42884330
this is actually sad desu. wouldn't even mind if it was some chad but the sight of this fat fuck who is obviously so undisciplined he has ended up fat and disgusting. the lion fucking deserved better than to be shot by such a disgraceful specimen of humanity

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>>42883570
daily reminder that pic related was discovered in one of the threads past (all of these threads are created by redditors)

sage

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>>42884720
>>42884730

>>42883570
>Estrogen in milk
Is the body building community becomming aware that female animals produce estrogen?

It would be great. They're consuming shitloads of milk powder, which could easily be switched to pea protein or whatever.

That's a change one wouldn't even notice really.

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>>42890084
Why not just get aromatic inhibitors instead. There are lots of estrogen, even in things like sleeping pillows. A mild dosage of Tomaxifen (nolvadex), or something else still similar to that would be more beneficial.

Cash register receipts also have that, lots of things have that.

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>>42890105
and then there are the obvious caveeats of estrogen compounds in foods as well lol. Then some jew who sees this thread (or the one who started it) will come along and spew more lies as usual. Any second now.

Also sage

>>42884465
pretty shit image. it's not right and it doesn't do the beans justice.

black beans are one of the best sources of antioxidants. especially important for people who exercise!

also fiber plays a much greater role in diet than we previously thought. we've got trillions of gut bacteria and they need fiber.

meat has no antioxidants and no fiber. but tons of fat, cholesterol, and environmental contaminants!

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>>42890130
But anon, didnt you know that beans are very problematic for our digestive system? Meat is much better! We love to use the fat, its what allowed us to rise above the animals in nature!Long live meat eating!

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checkmate once again vegans

>>42883597
The "estrogen" in soy are really just SERMs.

>>42890146
jesus

Something happens to one's brain when you defend eating meat. It's like you become temporarily stupid to fool yourself. I haven't got a clue how to bypass this feature.

>>42890030

>the lion deserved to be shot by the kind of guy I want to fuck

>>42890160
plus, if I recall correctly, phytoestrogens bind to our receptors which means blocking actual estrogen absorption.

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>>42890160
>>42890171
yea and I am sure that meat literally causes cancer.

>>42890105
>>42890120
Why not just avoid consuming estrogen in the first place? I don't want to treat myself for my poor diet.

okay so I bought some kale and wheatgrass. what's the best way to make sure everyone within a 10 mile radius knows I'm vegan?

>>42890176
Well processed meat is a class 1 carcinogen (like Plutonium) and red meat is a class 2 carcinogen (like malaria)

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens.html

Don't forget heart disease and diabetes too. The proteins not worth it, man!

>>42890176
>muh poor nigger babbies
All those niggers will come to Europe once Africa becomes unlivable.

>>42890177
>clothing
>carpet
>sheets and blankets
>furniture
>plastic objects that you handle (try changing it at a workplace or store and wearing gloves everywhere lol)
>healthcare products
>plastics in the food chain (also things being used for crops may or may not have it)
>cleaning products (also leave residue)

and many more things. I have been thinking myself on how to reduce it all, but getting aromatic blockers would seem much easier, and cheaper.

I have ordered a sarm to block it, but apparently it works best in medium durations, so if I see drastic changes (like bodyhair) or some other features, I may get a desire to move to non over the counter things.

>>42890190
>what is a basic authority fallacy

>>42890187
Don't worry, people are constantly offering each other food. You'll have no choice but to mention your diet soon.

By tomorrow, most will know that you've made a choice to live in accordance with values like compassion and justice ;)

>>42890199
None of those green words compare to eating mammal estrogen in basically every meal and snack.

lol

>>42890204
well I'm very happy to read that anon. we must spread the teachings of the vegan. we must convert every carnie and yell from the highest mountain: "I'M VEGAN!". such is the way of the vegan master race.

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>>42890204
You mean by helping the globalists win? Yea thats not a good virtue at all.

>>42890203
I think they used science to figure out what carninogens are but I could be wrong.

Maybe they just bought the cancer.org domain to slander your favorite food... I bet it was Dr. Greger!

>>42890214
fuck off back to /pol/ you autist

Help me out. I've been vegan for two years and crave a really juicy tender steak. Like nothing satisfies this. I have all blood levels in normal, most upper-normal. I know it's a piece of dead animal and abused in its life and pumped with growth hormones etc. but I don't care in the moment, I just want it. Same with fish.

>>42890211
Except I just told you that it's unnecessary. Most people will discuss food at breakfast time tomorrow. If somebody went vegan in their sleep, it would be weird to keep quiet about it.

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>>42890209
They do actually, the dosages from those things are quite huge. And the dosage that you get from things like soy are also quite huge (contrary to your lies)

I am not going to bother to find back how much estrogen crap there is in a printed receipt, nor find the dosage dependent research that I have somewhere in my brain (will probably take half an hour to find back)

The simple fact is that through the modern diet and modern factors (which are the greens, you redditfag, but also the picture), mens sperm counts have dropped by more than 50% (to what, actually like 70%, cant quite recall)

but you guys are a wasteful form of argumentation, you are like the jews. One day you do or say something and then you almost immediately forget about it, then lie about it. Quite boring to waste my time with you.

>>42890214
I'm not a CO2 alarmist but we are causing a lot of pollution. I'm concerned about the oceans. Whatever we can do to reduce our impact, the better.

Such is the way of the vegan master race!!!! Hahaha I kinda like that phrase.

>>42890218
or they were part of the more than half of flawed, biased and shitty research things

http://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scientists-lift-the-lid-on-reproducibility-1.19970?WT.mc_id=SFB_NNEWS_1508_RHBox

>>42890190
so you admit you aren't getting enough protein then?
>inb4 muh kale has more protein per gram than meat
that may be true, but what actually matters is how much protein you have per cubic meter. if it takes one cubic meter of kale to equal the ammount of protein in one steak you can't replace steaks with kale now can you?

>>42890249
How much pollution do you think that 2 billion niggers cause, compared to a couple of million cows? Cows are eco friendly compared to the negro menace.

>>42890232
>waiting until breakfast to tell people you're vegan
how unvegan of you. 1v1 me animal rights you scrub. I bet you don't even snort celery you poser

>>42890231
I've seen a lot of recipes for making vegan steak! There's this Italian woman who makes it look so damn easy.

All kinda shit. Meatball subs, steaks, nuggets, burgers. I feel dumb I never knew you could make this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqDp2b2CMrPN9bsn7TAch-g/search?query=meat

>>42890252

Now you're just resorting to vague "science can be uncertain sometimes" arguments as if you could just post that and pretend it's a valid reason to reject all scientific matters where the evidence isn't in your favor.

I haven't eaten meat since yesterday

>>42886617
Deer is just sleeping, right??

>>42890278
>vegan steak! There's this Italian woman who makes it look so damn easy.
Direct link
Now

>>42890253
You know beans and lentils exist brainlet

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>>42890282
http://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248

Thats because it is so. There are many above factors around dietary trends that make it appear to be pure lies.

The fat avoidance craze that reduced fat consumption, but increased sugar, and in turn also increased obesity is a great reason why nobody has to learn the intricacies about your bullshit propositions.

Your field is flawed, your movement is flawed, YOU ARE FLAWED.

fuck off this board cunt.

>>42890240
Okay but how is that an argument for eating mammal estrogen?

Let's get rid of the estrogen pillows (I would like some info on that) and the estrogen milk.

This is not relevant but why do you assume I'm from reddit?

>>42890278
I've had a few beyond meat and gardein heedless patty burgers, seitan fillets and chops, hot dogs, tvp pies/rolls, meatball subs... I don't know, doesn't fulfill somehow. And I feel guilt but don't want to do something just because I shame myself into it.

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>>42890296
>>42890296
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

here are also some nice stats on you vegans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRVrtqy-3NA

(from a jew doctor himself, maybe you guys should be more uniform in your attack vectors lol)

>>42890240
And that jew comment is totally out of line. There is nothing irrational or dishonest about veganism.

It's carnists who use cognitive dissonance as a weapon whenever this subject comes up.

>>42890260
couple of million cows feeding 2 billion people over their lifespans? hmm makes you think

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>>42890299
Because milk is a great source for building muscle, cheap proteins, easy to find and probably also not estrogenic (since you guys are huge liars). Plus in europe its also of higher quality than in the US.

>>42890310
>couple of million cows feeding 2 billion people over their lifespans? hmm makes you think

What? We use crops, corn and other stuff to feed the nigs. If we removed the cows and their pastures then more crops would be created to feed more nigs. A cow basically kills like 100 niggers just by existing. Plus its meat and milk makes us stronger.

>>42890306
JEW, KIKE, FILTHY OVEN DODGER, HEBREW COCKMONGLER, THE HOLOCAUST DIDNT HAPPEN BUT IT SHOULD HAVE

enjoy

>>42890314
>milk is a great source for building muscle, cheap proteins, easy to find
Soy milk is literally identical in all of these
>and probably also not estrogenic (since you guys are huge liars)
Post ONE (1) mechanistic study that proves that soy milk consumption raises serum estrogen.
Inb4 you post a case study or you just ignore this because it destroys you

>>42890341
post one study that you currently do not have a thousand dicks sitting idly by in your mouth.

>>42890296

You're basically saying that nothing could convince you of anything because there's a chance that many international groups of scientists independently reviewing the data and coming to the same conclusion could be wrong. You use it as justification to disregard science altogether.

>The fat avoidance craze that reduced fat consumption, but increased sugar, and in turn also increased obesity is a great reason why nobody has to learn the intricacies about your bullshit propositions.

Fat consumption has never gone down in the US. Just like the sugar avoidance craze, it didn't lead to an actual reduction.

>>42890303
Noice thanks mate might buy some b12 supps

>>42890367
What a fucking idiot
High carb low fat has absolutely nothing to do with veganism. You can even do vegan keto. Fuck off.

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>>42890364
>NIGGERS ARE MULTIPLYING BASED ON NOTHING, THEY HAVE 8 KIDS BASED ON AIR
>NIGGERS CAN USE MAGIC REALITY BENDING THINGS TO GET MORE KEEDS
>THEY DONT LITERALLY GET LIKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF NIGGER, LEAF BULLSHIT TO MAKE 3 BILLION FUCKING BABIES

and thats another jew for the report function.

>>42890303
>2014

number of vegans has probably doubled since then at least

>>42890400
Probably not, you are forgetting the fact that many of them died to malnutrition during that time as well.

>>42890387
What a fucking idiot
Your image proves my point exactly
Charity ≠ sustainability
Not donating to niggers has nothing to do with my decision to buy beans instead of beef
If anything, veganism is anti-charity. We should leave all wild animals alone to live their own life, cows, pigs and niggers alike. Don't harm them, don't help them, just let them be.
What part of that do you not understand?

>>42890253
The selling point of meat is the high protein content.

But it's not worth it because that protein comes with saturated fat, cholesterol, environmental pollutants, and it increases your risk for disease.

The protein itself isn't even good for you. Animal protein increases IGF-1, hence the increased cancer growth.

>you can't replace steaks with kale now can you?

You could if you ate enough kale. But I don't eat kale for calories. Kale is rich in other ways like minerals, and antioxidants.

Kale also helps fight disease and even viruses, lower cholesterol, all kinds of shit! Do any parts of animals cure diseases? Haha

https://youtu.be/oPINrtakN1o

>>42890367

>Yea because the low fat fad, plus higher sugar consumption never happen. Its a lie goy!

The "low fat fad" was just an idea. When it comes to actual food intake, fat in the US diet has continuously gone up over the last century of recorded diet data

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/nutrient_content_of_the_us_food_supply/KilocaloriesandMacronutrientsPerCapitaperDay1909-2010.xls

People ate more sugar, but the diet recommendations you think caused this didn't say "eat less fat, eat more sugar" they said "eat less fat, eat less sugar." People instead ate more fat and more sugar.

Keep yelling "the jews are just tricking everyone!" though

>>42883570
Do vegans think these pictures make them look smart?

>>42890419
Yea and which food do you think these people buy from the markets here to ship to them? Beans and other leafy garbage things. Meat is too expensive for them. Which means that the more meat eating we have, the less they get.

And im off to leave you losers in your shit thread. Enjoy your malnutrition lol.

>>42890292
I'm not sure exactly what kinda meat you want to replicate. This one looks good imo.


https://youtu.be/1kELRHh6_ZI
>ASIAN INSPIRED VEGAN RED SEITAN BEEF MEAT

>>42890439
>Starving
>Buying leafy greens
At least you left, what a fucking idiot
>>42890400
>>42890415
Fucking lol
Brace yourselves because the vegan train has no brakes
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Pork,Beef,Keto,Vegan,Vegetarian

>>42890292

>>42890452
here's what looks like a simpler version of that.

Where I thought it looks easy. But it's not as good of a video because she doesn't cut it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuQ-TEj4-A

>>42884633
Well here it is. The most obnoxious post of the day I'll read.

checked

>>42890260
I wasn't referring to the methane thing. I think the gas stuff is bullshit.

Raising animals for food is bad for the environment simply because it consumes more of everything.

We can consume less if we skip the raising animals part and just eat the plants in the first place.

>>42890463
vegan>beef and increasing rapidly

fucking owned meatcucks

Giving your kids hypospadias. no thanks (((soyvegs)))

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619956?dopt=Abstract

>>42890300
Do you have a suitable restaurant near you? They can give you something decadent. No guilt or shame, this ought to be about compassion.

I usually have that sort of craving satisfied by "chicken nuggets" or ice cream.

Had chicken tortillas for dindin tonight lads, was fucking good.

>>42890515

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel when you pull up studies on hypospadia with a sample size of 51 cases.

>this'll finally get those vegans!

>>42890314
>Plus in europe its also of higher quality than in the US.
That's good, but the worst parts of milk are what's naturally in it. It's not made for humans!

>>42883570
>not forcing their way of life on anyone
>implying animals constitute as people and fall under "anyone"

yawn

>>42890367
99% of plant foods are low fat, so that is the ideal diet.

But "low fat cookies" aren't actually low fat when compared to a cantaloupe and other healthy shit.

>>42890565
>Implying animals are things
>Implying animals aren't alive and therefore don't have a life on which you can impose your own
>Latching on a word and missing the point
Well I mean you eat meat, I wouldn't expect anything better

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>>42890619
>yfw none of the animals in that picture would even exist without us carnies
thanks for saving the good food for us

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>>42890240
these images are hilarious

can you edit this one?

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>>42890240

I made my own version of this one.

>>42890629
>i did them a favor by breeding them

this one was based off you apparently

>>42883629
That's coal dummy, oil is from sealife, coal is from trees

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>>42890629
>>42890683
forgot this

>>42890680
haha

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>that feel when you're into vore so vegan arguments don't work on you

>>42883631
>physiology chart made by heroine infused hippie who knew nothing about physiology and makes errors in almost every single animal's physiology
Aw jeez, man you got us :^(

>>42890725
I thought that was just a fetish. You actually want to harm others?

>>42883886
Not a vegan dude.... I'm a HUGE FAGGOT AND a vegan

>>42890737
Omnivores can eat eat living animals without getting sick. Humans cannot.

>>42890796
Gorillas can eat plants all day without getting sick. Humans cannot.

>>42890819
You can eat plants all day. The more the better.

>>42885978
Stop lying to us and your self limpdick if you could debunk him you would of, instead just saying lmao 2 smart4u my girlfriends bull said so, fucking slack jawed faggot soyboys...

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>>42883570

obligatory

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Here we have a Panda. It's a bear. At some point in its evolution something went terribly wrong and it turned into a vegan, now the Panda has to sit around eating literally all day to fuel itself, and it still doesn't have enough energy to fuck.

Pandas are omnivores, dumbass. Look at their canines.

>be Vegan
>Climb Everest or whatever the fuck mountain it was to prove you aren't weakened by your diet
>Die

>>42891339

>be steve jobs
>get ass cancer from being a vegan
>die

>>42891339
>Be Kuntal Joisher
>Climb mt. Everest successfully as a vegan
>Nobody knows me or posts about me because my feat goes against their jew meat eating agenda and doesn't make a good clickbait article
>mfw

>>42891428

Thats obviously a made up name anon.

>>42891369
He wasn't a vegan.

>>42891428
Vegan male >>>>> vegan female

>>42891434
You could go ahead and google it, or keep laughing like a sperg at memes based on fake news
Either way animal agriculture will be illegal in 50 years so idc, have fun with your bacon

>>42891506

Imagine getting this mad at a dumb joke.

>>42885654
>>42885687
>>42888115
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][25] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[26] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[25][27]
>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[28] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources

>>42886933
Thank you! Now im enlighted an will spend all day to chug down my protein by eating brocoli after brocoli instead of just have some meaty tasty steak.

tl;dr: vegans are idiots

>>42891744
What you posted in absolutely no way disproves that there are reliable vegan sources of B12. All you said is that there are animal sources of B12.

I hate vegan cucks. Not because they're vegan - that won't bother me. But every fucking vegan I met tried to convert me to his food cult and behaved as if he was a better person just because of his eating habits. This reminds me of mormons or even worse, jehovas witnesses. Veganism is like a penis: It's perfectly fine to have one but never ever force it down someones throat if he has not declared consent.

>>42890601
Do I need to set you straight on this as well?
I have already addressed this in this very thread

If meat eaters are cucks, the word has lost all meaning.

>>42891967
fermented foods like tempeh, sauerkraut etc. contain B12. Meatcucks are lying when they say there's no plant sources of B12

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>>42883570
Redpill me on vegan diet, with consideration to muscle building and a 3900 calorie target with a strictly fiscal argument. I don't care about
>Jewtrition facts block
I don't believe a lot of it to be completely honest.
>Ethical virtue fag reasons
I would eat people too if it were permitted. I am so non-religious and do not play any of that ironic rhetoric like "hurr durr but it will be onto you, because I saw some netflix jew documentary written and directed by Goldberg"

>>42893886
>Redpill me on vegan diet
Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
>with consideration to muscle building and a 3900 calorie target with a strictly fiscal argument.
Pasta is 0.5 euro for 1700 kcal and 65 g protein, oats too
Pea protein powder is cheaper than whey
beans are cheap
lentils are cheap
pb is cheap
fuck you want me to say man, legumes and grains are the cheapest foods available. If you're frugal and don't care about taste and variety you can be vegan and build muscle at 2 euros a day
>I don't care about
>>Jewtrition facts block
>I don't believe a lot of it to be completely honest.
The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not
>>Ethical virtue fag reasons
>I would eat people too if it were permitted.
OW THE EDGE
Then eat cows and chickens. If you wouldn't stop at eating people, why stop at animals?
>I am so non-religious
Good, because veganism is not a religion
>and do not play any of that ironic rhetoric like "hurr durr but it will be onto you, because I saw some netflix jew documentary written and directed by Goldberg"
If you're referring to what the health, it's 50% truth, 50% lies, 50% sensationalism and 50% made up statistics
I will just point out that the cow and the egg jew want your money, not your health and wellbeing. There is no such thing as a spinach jew or a hummus jew though.
Watch Earthlings instead.

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>>42894150
>pea protein powder
tastes like dogshit and the aa prfile is fucked. Why would you reccomend this

>>42894284
>tastes like dogshit
this is tue
>the aa prfile is fucked
this is absolutely false and you are a dairy jew for spouting this lie
>Why would you reccomend this
because he said "a strictly fiscal argument", which in brainlet-speak roughly translates to "prove to me that veggies are cheap I only care about the price"

>>42894311
I didn't say you couldn't get a vegetable based protein powder with a good AA profile, but not from just fucking peas. Soy maybe, but a mixture of vegetables would be ideal

>>42891369
Vegan diets reduce ass cancer.

It's vegetarians, who consume dairy, that get the ass cancer. And meat eaters, obviously.

>>42894341
mate I won't spoonfeed you literally just google it

Lol I love reading vegan threads. It's like reading HAES blogs.

>>42891956
Today I will eat mostly oats, beans, and fruit. It's got everything I need, plus antioxidants to fight disease and cell death. The more I eat, the healthier I get.

But if you eat too much "food" you would die :(

Real smart diet. Protein!

>>42894380
Spoonfeed me what? That peas have a good amino acid profile by themselves? I'm not asking for proof, you're just fucking wrong. Shitty tryptophan, mediocre cystine/methionene

>>42892016
>never ever force it down someones throat if he has not declared consent.

Do cows consent to having their babies killed so we can drink his milk? Just kidding haha

>>42893886
>lot of it to be completely honest.
>>Ethical virtue fag reasons

veggie/vegan diet is cheaper, cleaner, and you can still get complete proteins with ease going for such a large caloric intake.

>>42890240
when /pol/ is triggered by superior vegan logic

>>42884330
Just... Why

>>42893886
>I don't believe a lot of it to be completely honest.
I understand skepticism, but this is bullshit.

>>42894518
I don't care about cows, I am not a cow.

>>42894518
cows are not people

>>42894150
>what the health, it's 50% truth, 50% lies, 50% sensationalism and 50% made up statistics
I thought what the health was spot on! Best documentary ever. What was inaccurate about it?

I watched many debunking videos and they were all silly bacon tier arguments.

>>42894284
>>42894311

I had a chocolate one and it was good. Just as tasty as any other protein shake.

How good is powderized food supposed to taste? I like peas, fuck you guys.

>>42894458
I think every plant has a blanced amino acid profile. You can look up any food to see this.

The incomplete protein thing was always a myth! It came from a diet book and that bit was retracted.

>>42894625
>I don't care
I can't argue with that. Please care for others! Pretty please with sugar on top.

>>42894635
Really? Well, they still have feelings and shit

Nothing deserves the hell that is a slaughterhouse.

>>42884487
I get 1g per kg BW and currently lift more than I ever did eating meat.

>>42885233
That's weird. I just choose to eat in a way that aligns with my morals.

>>42885860
>Where are the stories of kids dying from malnutrition because of their wacko meat-inclusive diets unlike the oh-so perfectly sane vegan diets that parents force on their offspring which has led to a number of deaths?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

Meat has rotted your brain if you think veganism has ever killed a kid.

>>42885900
Newfag pls go. McDoubles were the old First Sip

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>>42884633
jej

Is it okay to just eat spinach?

>>42886503
>>42886616
Analysis of fossilized human poops show that humans typically ate 100+ grams of fiber per day. That's how we ate 99% of the time.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleopoo-what-we-can-learn-from-fossilized-feces/

>>42895459
You'd have to eat a lot, but technically sure why not.

If you only want to eat only 1 food I recommend black beans. The beauty of a whole food vegan diet is you're free to eat as much as you want.

I had 10 bananas yesterday before losing count. My morning shit smells like it too. Fun stuff.

>>42895534
>10 bananas
This is the shit that makes veganism seem like a cult

>>42895468
>mfw my fiber intake is close to 150 grams a day
>mfw the average ameritard eat like 10-15 grams a day
>mfw omnifags are still defending their shit diet
My ancestors are smiling at me, Imperial, can you say the same?

>>42895698
When I ate meat I'd order an entire plate of chicken wings and nobody thought that was weird.

Mcdonalds sells a 20 piece chucken nuggets.

Most peoole have several slices of pizza for a meat.

But 10 bananas throughout my day. How strage!!!!!!!!!! Lmao

>>42895841
NICE what do you typically eat?

You should do fecal donation! Seriously.