Vegan General

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>>42856031
I dont understand why vegan instead of vegetarian,even buddhists that redpect life so much dont go fucking vegan you sick obssesed fucks.

>>42856058
Only time vegetarian is acceptable is if you suck it straight from the teat nigga

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Daily reminder that no one is falling for your strawman comics, dumb vegan posters.

>>42856094
>hates vegans
>faggot can't wait more than a minute before entering the thread
lel, stay salty meatcuck

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>>42856031

tfw nearly all non-biased science supports veganism and still nobody cares

EAT LIVER

BEHEAD VEGANS

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Vegan master race checking in, come at me meatcucks

>>42856098
This is some pretty weak b8, hombre. You're gonna have to do better than that. Acting like you can own a thread, who do you think you are, lol?

>>42856031
>>inb4 faggots larping as hunters
>>inb4 faggots larping as farmers

A large majority of people who post here are American. A lot of us like to hunt and half of this damn country has land dedicated purely to farming. I don't personally own farmland but I plan to in the future when I'm financially secure enough to do so. And yeah, I hunt, it's not that big a deal. Even in super liberal states with multiple large cities like Oregon and California there's hunters and farmers everywhere, you don't need to leave the city to find us. Fucking Walmart of all places has isles dedicated to hunters, you'd have to be some kind of idiot to think hunting isn't common.

>>42856031
>inb4 my ancestors who died at 50 ate meat

>>42856170
>needlessly murder animals
>ruin health
>not a big deal

lel

>>42856031
Can someone disprove these studies?

>>42856761
would be difficult without relevant medical knowledge and access to the results & study

>>42856031
>his

>>42857139
just go to pubmed ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ )and search for yourself niBBa

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>>42856098

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>>42856220
>needlessly murder animals
>murder
Murder is the unlawful killing of humans, anon. Stop using it as a buzzword because of its moral connotations.

>>42857365
not all full texts can be viewed for free

Would farm raised sardine be bad ?
It's as smart as a potato and since it's farm raising it doesn't destroy the ecosystem .

>>42857409
Sardines have souls and are living creatures, therefore you are not allowed to harm them.

>>42857409
It's smarter than potato, it's sentient and conscious with a brain and a CNS, but if that's what stopping you from becoming vegan, cut out meat, dairy and eggs first, keep sardines and phase them out slowly

>>42856146
People don't typically dedicate entire graveyards to animals. Great argument for not eating people though.

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>>42857418
>sardines have souls
Humans don't even have those. Has God blessed sardines with immortality?

>>42857418
>Sardines have souls
Prove it

>>42857478
>>42857561
You're responding to bait

>>42857561
Prove that they don't.

>>42857561
>can't prove that they dont
>m-m-muh b-burden of p-p-proof

meatcucks btfo forever

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>>42857596
I've seen far more egregious emotionally-guided reasoning in real life. Pardon me for taking it at face value. Dogs don't go to heaven (neither do humans).

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>>42857609
>muh burden of proof
FRAIL REASONING

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>>42857609
But anon, the anon that said, "sardines have souls" is the person with the burden of proof. You can't just say something outrageous and then tell everyone who wants you to prove it, to prove the opposite

>>42857656
>something outrageous

There is nothing outrageous in admitting that God has endowed all animals alike with souls.

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>>42857367
>>42857391
>>42857478
>>42857633
>>42857646
>>42857656
>mobile poster

>>42857418
While there are some contesting that sardines do not have souls...
>you are not allowed to harm them
wat.
allowed by whom, for what reason are we even listening to its authority? we shouldn't.
eat your fish, it's got big eyes but they aren't soulful, they're... fishy.

>>42857596
I know it's bait. I just want to see what insanity they can come up with.

>>42857602
>>42857609
I never made any statement that requires proof. I asked for proof of a statement. You also can't prove a negative by formal logic rules.

>>42857663
>There is nothing outrageous in admitting that God has endowed all animals alike with souls.
That's a pretty fucking outrageous assertion, son. Stop applying your headcanon which you have no evidence to support to others.

>>42857665
>I have no rebuttal

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>>42857698
Can autistic fedora atheists please leave?

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>>42857698
>i have no computer

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had a fucking delicious steak for tea tonight witha side of eggs and cheesy potatoes lads

>>42857704
>religion has been destroyed in every argument ever so their only tactic now is to call atheists "autists".

I'm not really surprised. That's the level of thinking that god-believers are used to.

>>42857704
mobile posters are faggots, but nowhere near as bad as Christians

kill yourself, wannabe jew

>>42857704
>btfo so hard he resorts to ad hominem
SAD

Sorry to contest your silly narrative.

>>42857663
Congrats, you admitted defeat

>>42857729
>>42857741
fuck off

>>42857735
>as bad as Christians

glad that I'm muslim

>>42856761
yea they don't even claim what the OP says they do, just take 2 mins to read them lol

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>>42857665
>using fit on the go, in the gym, etc
>sitting in basement on stationary desktop on 4chan
Pick one, lardo

>>42857759
>fuck off
Cry

>I'm Muslim
Oh noooo

>>42857759
>muslim
>fuck off
Typical "religion of peace" reaction.
Fuck off back to your land Ahmed.
No one cares about your shit religion.

>going on 4chan outside
spotted the virgin

>>42857762
>CONCLUSIONS: The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.
Please stop drinking cow milk, for your own sake, the cow's sake, and the environment.
Soy milk has the same protein, vitamins and minerals and NO, it DOES NOT raise estrogen.

>>42857796
Meta-analysis to confirm

'The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

>>42856031
>there we go again
Who the fuck cares what do you eat? I sometimes eat meat and I am a vegan, but am I gonna say no to my mom's cooking once in a year at Christmas? No, fuck that.

Also this "I will not eat meat for the sake of saving animals" is retarded. In the west, except halal and kosher slaughter, they always kill the animal first so it does not suffer. Chinese torture animals because they are subhuman, of course I do not approve of that. What PETA does, is the same, they are a company to make money, not to help. Fuck them as well.
Furthermore, the animals you do not eat, somebody else will.

A better approach is not to eat meat and dairy because you will get sick after prolonged consumption. People in the west, especially in the US are getting fat as fuck because they gorge on sugary shit and meat, dairy. The former would just fuck your teeth up, but as you stuff yourself with meat and dairy your arteries get clogged up, thus the excess sugar circulates in your veins, slow and steady giving you diabetes. If that does not kill you, the cancer and heart problems will.

I lost 20 kgs since I don't eat meat regularly.
Feel better, fuck better, better erections as well.
More energetic, can eat as much as I want and will not get fat.

So good luck with whatever you choose.

>>42857833
Thanks for the backup, anon. Now watch as everybody ignores this and keeps breastfeeding

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>>42857884
I personally only eat the meat I've harvested myself by hunting; I know where it came from, and I did everything within my power to ensure it didn't suffer.

I'm not a huge fan of the American meat industry but that doesn't mean I abstain -I just try to be more responsible.

>>42857922
>(supposedly) concerned about an animal's suffering
>complete disregard for its life and happiness
lel

only a moron/hunting larper would think needlessly ending an animals life and happiness is ethical

>>42857969
>complete disregard for its life and happines
I care enough that I do not want to see the animal suffer. The deer that I shoot can either be killed by me after living a happy life or die gruesomely in the wild to some predator, car or disease.

>>42858025
do you realise a deer doesn't immediately die when you decide not to shoot it

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>>42858025
Appropriate treatment of deer

>>42858062
It depends on shot placement, but a few seconds of pain are negligible compared to a life of freedom out of captivity.

>>42858087
Are you retarded? A wild deer can continue on living if you don't shoot it.

You just kill it to fulfil your autistic hunting larping fantasy

>>42857796
>n=17
>no name irrelevant journal
>assuming short term secretion as a proxy for long term test levels, a completely unfounded assumption considering the non-linear nature of hormone secretions
>using a single flawed study to draw sweeping conclusions to the general population
Mfw vegan retardation from B vitamin deficiency is real

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>>42858062
Yes, but a very small percentage of deer actually die of old age. Most of them die to predators that would maul them to death or degenerative diseases that kill them slowly. A bullet is a mercy, and their meat is not wasted.

i want to go vegan, but i'm not economical independent [spoiler]NEET, there is a lot of unemployment in my country and if you want a job you need a contact, experience or a title, and i don't have any of them[spoiler/]
how the fuck am i suposed to stop eating animal products if i can only eat meat?

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>>42856031

>>42858123
lel I guess we should just kill all deer out of mercy then

fucking meatards

>>42858104
See >>42858123

>I've never hunted so it's an autistic fantasy
Don't be so needlessly hostile

>>42858107
Literally everything in your post is a lie which everyone can find out about if they just click on the link.
Literally everything is a lie.

>>42858136
kek

>>42858141
>I guess we should just kill all deer out of mercy then
you're making sweeping generalizations in an attempt to make me sound silly, which is actually having the opposite effect .

>>42858183
You do sound silly big bad hunter boi. You're literally claiming you killing a deer is an act of mercy

>>42858195
It literally is, but I'm in no way implying that I am a "big man" for harvesting meet. It's just something I do.

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More appropriate treatment of deer

>>42858213
*meat

>>42858213
you're formally making the statement that killing a deer is an act of mercy

lelelel

keep rationalising meatard

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>hunting
anytime somebody tells me they go hunting i automatically think their iq is less than 100.
>Hey Dale, i tell ya h'what, lets go sip some beer and shoot us some good ol' deer! Yeehaw!
gayest shit lmfao
fucking rednecks

>>42857969
>get shot in the head or heart and die quickly
>get viciously torn apart by wolves while still alive
I know which one I'd choose.

>>42858228
It is a mercy compared to the ends deer suffer in nature. I'm just saying, if I'm going to eat meat it may as well be meat that was harvested humanely and lived a happy life in the wild. I'd advise you to do some reading about wildlife management and the role hunters play in sustaining a healthy deer population.

>>42856031
I just wanna know why people don't try a plant based diet at least?
People will try all kinds of retarded diets, but plant based? Nope never.

>>42858256
Do you seriously not realise a deer would not immediately be attacked by wolves if you chose not to kill it

>>42858234
>ignorance based on stereotypes
And you're claiming others have low IQs. Sad!

>>42858271
Oh my god you can't possibly be this delusional
Please give this a thorough read and respond with your honest thoughts
http://freefromharm.org/common-justifications-for-eating-animals/hunting-wildlife-population-control-ethical-eating/

>>42858278
People lack the balls to become vegan because they don't want to be seen taking a moral/ethical stance against the majority (meatcucks)

>>42858279
Who cares WHEN it's going to happen? The statistical likelihood of it occurring is bad enough.

>>42858234
it's an almost free way to get away from your wife or family for a whole day

most of it's spent laying in a ditch or sitting a tree. i never liked it, seems painfully boring but it's not always about killing animals.

>>42858234
I think depends where you're from but pretty much last year when I got into hunting I was surrounded by Surgeons and Anesthetists but that's probably because in the UK it's harder to get a license rather than US.
>>42858278
Because meme diets are all about ease or instant results e.g keto for muh bacon and cheese or honey water to look like Beyonce or some shit.
Meanwhile no one wants to put in effort to have their plant based diet with their lean meats.

>>42858302
I guess we should just kill them all out of mercy then

>>42858288
>http://freefromharm.org/common-justifications-for-eating-animals/hunting-wildlife-population-control-ethical-eating/
>Whole argument based on a misconception
>carries on nonetheless
Sounds like typical blogger to me.

>>42858288
This article is full of drivel, anon, and isn't based on any tangible evidence. There's a reason why state governments support hunting as a population management tool. Overpopulation leads to lack of food sources/wasting diseases that damage the quality of life for multiple wildlife populations.

>>42858316
Go for it dumbass I won't stop you

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>>42858401
>confusing sustainable hunting for food with the trophy hunting of endangered species
You're an idiot

>>42858401
Lion will grow old and die one day => mercy

meatlogic

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>>42856031
you praise this tumblr loser? lame.

>>42858422
>Lion will grow old and die one day => mercy
3/10 no argument found

>>42858417
The deer population must love such a kind hunter like you

>>42858447
satirical brah

>>42858422
impotent old lion will keep down younger males and jeopardise the survival of the entire species => just fine

forget to take your b12 today?

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Another example of the ethical treatment of deer

>>42858451
>caring what deer think
Never gonna make it

>>42858497
Proud of being an amoral autist

lel

>>42858361
>misconception
Which one?
>There's a reason why state governments support hunting as a population management tool.
Yes, because people like you enjoy hunting and because selling guns and other game related stuff is a profitable business
>Overpopulation leads to lack of food sources/wasting diseases that damage the quality of life for multiple wildlife populations.
If deer were really overpopulating, wolves would eat more of them and there would be more wolves for a while, and in 2 generations' time both animals' populations would be back to normal

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>>42858451
I know you're trying to get a rise out of me but I'm not even mad. Low test b8

>>42857392
put doi or article name in sci-hub.cc

>>42858514
>amoral
Applying your own weird little morality system to me doesn't make me immoral, silly billy.

>>42858550
>not understanding the meaning of amoral
lel
meatlogic

>>42858564
>not understanding basic biology
lel
veganlogic

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>>42858564
>he didn't recite the dictionary definition therefore his argument is invalid
Try again

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I hope that, one day, science will find out why meat eaters take so much offence to vegans merely existing.

>>42858564
This is an unbelievably pussy retort. I mean I don't hunt but this is just awful.

>>42858581
>ruining health
>lowering test
>increasing cancer risk
>understanding biology

lel meatlogic

>>42858597

I hope that, one day, science will prove that the vegan diet isn't sustainable.

Oh wait they proved that already.

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>>42858597
Maybe it's because you are a very small but obnoxiously vocal minority.

>>42858620
>vegan diet isn't sustainable.
Vegan diets are the most sustainable of all
>Oh wait they proved that already.
No?

>>42858620
Present your evidence

>>42858628
Is it obnoxious that vegans care about animals not suffering?

>>42858628
you forgot to include physically weak and easy to crush.

like a cockroach.

a lentil eating cockroach that shrieks with excitement when it finds a dried bean husk on the ground.

>>42858620
apparently not ruining your health and not developing cancer prematurely is unsustainable

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>>42858650
>blocks your path

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Vegan Master Race

>>42858644
>Is it obnoxious that vegans care about animals not suffering?
That's why it's important to butcher them humanely.

>>42858666
how is he SO ugly?

>>42858643
>>42858644
>>42858663

well i suppose kool aid IS vegan

>>42858682
white mom

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>>42856031
>Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man
>eats soy

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>>42858666
This is the worst possible example you could come up with.

/fit/ seriously needs mods

>>42858681
>butcher
>humanely

lel meatlogic

>>42858703
thanks for sharing, faggot.

>>42858710
SAA GAY

>>42858681
>humanely disregarding their right to life
>goodbyesides.ppt

>>42858682
>argumentum ad hominem, the post

>>42858715
yup

>>42858666

doubt it

>>42858706
>equates a quick death with suffering
Typical vegan irrationality

>>42858703
Complaining about 4chan or its policies is against the rules

>>42858734
>no regard for life nor the continuation of happiness

lol @ amoral meatards

>>42858741
Same as shitposting but this thread is still up

>>42858734
'scuse me while I nip out and humanely kill some people
>it's a quick death so it's alright, yes?

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>>42858721
>their right to life
>implying animals have a right to life
Are you that sandnigger from before that thought sardines have souls?

>>42858742

morality is subjective

>>42858744
you're shitposting right now

>>42858741
>/fit/ needs mods
>saying this is against the rules
>the rules that aren't enforced due to lack of mods
Thanks, Doc Daneeka.

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>>42858752
lrn2logic big boi

>>42858763
I'm contributing to the post count so this thread can die sooner.

Believe me, you will know when I start shitposting.

>>42858742
Your morality doesn't apply to everyone. Do you have autism?

>>42858779
oh dam, that's hardcore bro..don't hurt em!

>>42858769

animals aren't valueless, they're necessary fuel for optimal health

>>42858788
clearly not understanding the argument nor science

>>42858769
>logic
>posts subjective shit from some vegan blog
Vegan philosophers, everyone

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Physiology for meatards

>>42858802

I know you are but what am I?

>>42858788
>necessary
no

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>>42858802
>thinks science supports animal rights
I wish I could be so deluded.

>>42858815
yes

>>42858813
>inb4 muh canines

>>42858822
supports the vegan diet you brainwashed meatard

>>42858827

muh digestive tract that is only a quarter of the length of other primates so i cant live on plants alone

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>>42858840
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vegan-betrayal-the-myths-vs-the-realities-of-a-plants-only-diet/

Nope. Eat want you want, but don't for a second believe you're superior to others because of your shitty diet. Some vegans are worse than SJWs in their self-righteousness and lust for attention.

>>42858912
Vegans are vastly morally superior to you

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>>42856146
>don't forget to subscribe for more vegan videos guise!

Yet another fake vegan milking this cash cow. When will vegan cucks learn?

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>>42858912
Meatcucks will defend this

>>42858136
Daily reminder that it is literally this easy to make anything sound bad

>>42857663
Genesis 9:3
"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."

God wants me to eat cows.

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>>42859048
Vegans will defend this.

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>>42856031

>Be fat sack of shit eating a mostly carbohydrate diet.

>Switch to low carb, high animal fat, moderate protein diet.

>Test flies through the roof, all kinds of gains, lose fat, body recomps.

This may simply be anecdotal evidence of course, but a diet high in animal fat, moderate protein, with the only carbs coming from those in green leafy vegetables (and bulb vegetables like onions, garlic, and shallots) has made me a new man.

I also do not care about animals who were bred to be eaten and to serve. Beats of burden are to be used and eaten.

You are no more moral than me for eating vegetables picked by people working on slave wages.

You can have the moral high-ground when you become an ascetic hard-line Buddhist monk and grow each and every vegetable you eat. This will also include every plant fiber you wear.

>>42858721
>i don't know how fallacies work: the post

Hint: you committed one by posting that image

>>42859333
>This may simply be anecdotal evidence of course, but a diet high in animal fat, moderate protein, with the only carbs coming from those in green leafy vegetables (and bulb vegetables like onions, garlic, and shallots) has made me a new man.
Read >>42857098
>You are no more moral than me for eating vegetables picked by people working on slave wages.
>You can have the moral high-ground when you become an ascetic hard-line Buddhist monk and grow each and every vegetable you eat. This will also include every plant fiber you wear.
What do you think livestock eat?

>>42856058
Even jains aren't vegan . And they don't eat even microbes or microby things like onions

>>42858301
People lack the balls to be omnivores because they worry about what other people think.

>>42859333
Meatard thinks animals don't eat food

>>42859442
This post makes absolutely no sense

>>42859442
lel keep following the status quo ballsy boi

>>42857778
Shit that's true.

I don't give a fuck about animals, and my job relies on the existence of the beef industry regardless of my dietary choices
Milk contains a physiologically irrelevant amount of estrogen
There is no proven link between meat and cancer, only nitrate preservatives, which we already knew

>>42859482
amoral autist alert

>>42859529
hippy faggot alert

>>42859482
>my job relies on the existence of the beef industry regardless of my dietary choices
If your job relied on the tobacco industry, would that be a good reason to smoke?

>>42858703
Vegans aren't breaking any rules by posting info about a healthy and sustainable diet on a fitness board.

>>42856058
Dairy is terrible for you and eggs aren't worth the effort when 2 go over 300mg of cholesterol. Concern troll chump.

>>42859544
I didn't say that was a reason for me to eat beef myself, but one reason why I support beef consumption itself
That being said, smoking is actually bad for you

>>42858769
>There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless.

Putting aside the fact that this argument still makes humanity the source of moral value, which implies in and of itself that humanity possesses some quality which the rest of animalia does not, I would argue that having the potential for abstract thought is the thing that makes it immoral to kill people and moral to kill animals. An animal isn't even aware that it's alive. It's perfectly moral to kill it.

>>42859561
Dairy is fine and dietary cholesterol is a meme. Just don't be fat

>>42859585
completely misunderstanding the argument. If a human lacked awareness of itself would it be okay to kill it e.g. a retard

>>42859585
A handful of other animals have genuine sapience. Great apes, dolphins. But then we aren't raising them for food. Hell, in the US we can't even do medical research on chimps anymore even though they're great models. Have to use dumbass macaques

>>42859614
The only reason we don't kill vegetable tier retards is because it would make the parents sad.

>>42859575
Beef is pretty fucking bad for the cows and the planet, and it's not necessary for you. If you're over 50, I'd say it's straight up unhealthy.

>>42859672
>bad for the cows
k
>and the planet
as long as golf courses and water parks exist idgaf how much water cows drink.
There is nothing wrong with eating beef as long as you are lean

>>42859734
lel @ the short-sightedness of this idiot

>meatlogic

>>42859657
completely misunderstanding the argument again

>meatlogic

>>42859840
>shortsightedness
Let me tell you what happens if you free the cows. We don't get fetal bovine serum, we can no longer effectively culture mammalian cells, and drug development grinds to a halt. And that's just one essential byproduct I know of, there are undoubtedly others
>>42859853
You missed MY point. I don't care about non-sapient humans. Few people do, other then those with a direct sentamental connection, IE, their family.

>>42859996
>I don't care
>an argument

lol

>meatlogic

>>42860031
You didn't make an argument. "You should care about the lives of non-sapient beings" is not an argument. It's just you shouting your arbitrary moral decrees at me

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>>42859672
>City cucks bitching about cows.

>>42859672
>bad for the cows
How? Cows outnumber humans in 6 states.

>>42860107
I use a bike, your point?

>>42860169
Your existence is killing the planet.

>>42860149
Amazing, now pull up the death statistics

>>42860184
>Dying is bad.
>Ignore that the population is the most protected of any animal in the history of the world.

You do understand the idea of trade-offs ya?

We didn't breed them into existence for their companionship.

>>42860177
Please tell me in which ways YOU PERSONALLY are saving the planet

>>42860213
I own enough land to offset my emissions.

How about you?

>>42860205
>We bred them into existence for food
>>42860149
>It's not bad for them

Do you even have a point or are you just making stuff up?

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>>42860107
>happy cows

>>42856031
The vegan general on /fit/ is like the commie general on /pol/. Fucking hilarious.

>>42860263
meatcucks will defend this

>>42860239
>We bred them into existence for food
True
>It's not bad for them
How do you say as a species being protected by the alpha predator, and having your genes guaranteed to survive is bad for a species?

We literally drove all major predators to the point of near extinction in the US in order to protect them.

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>>42860263
Happy plants
>veg cucks will defend this.

>>42857796
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

Vegan man eats soy, his testosterone crashes and he gets erectile dysfunction. Takes a year to recover.

>>42860281
>cows care about survival of the species
>unfazed by being effectively tortured by autist alpha predator

put on your thinking cap meatard

>>42857409
Farm raised fish is bad but there is nothing wrong with eating fish. Fish do not feel pain and I shouldn't need to state the benefits of fish

>>42860295
>n=1
>type 1 diabetic

lol

is this the best you meatcucks have

>>42860281
If a hypothetical alien species enslaved us and bred us for food, while ensuring our protection from other alien invaders, the continuation of our species and the passing down of our genes, would you say that it's a good deal for us?
>we literally drove all major predators to the point of near extinction in the US in order to protect them
and how is that a good thing for their predators?

Mate, I'm even using your own points and cows don't come out on top. Are you sure you aren't a vegan pretending to be a meat eater for the keks?

>>42860315
>fish do not experience emotion

lel

>meatlogic

>>42860322
Scientifically explain to me what being type 1 has to do with the symptoms described in that case.

>>42860263
They're already dead m8

>>42860307
>effectively being tortured
By being fed and protected 24/7 until one day they're led into a room and someone shots them in the head with a pnumatic gun?

>>42860334
Humans aren't cows. They're fucking retarded and don't need much to be content

>>42860337
He said "fish don't feel pain", which is wrong, but they sure as fuck don't feel emotion

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Starfish are non-sentient animals (without a brain) and they are delicious. If you've been to Asian, you know. Vegans BTFO.

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>>42860372
>happy cows

>>42856146
my body is actually my body, so if your body is a temple, let me pay and enter your body to see boring shit, take some pictures for instagram friends think that i'm somehow interesting

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>>42860406

>>42860406
>>42860430
They stand shoulder to shoulder even given hundreds of acres to roam

>>42860337
you're watching too much finding nemo bro

>>42860428
Will find nothing but pristine organs, muscles and arteries working like a well oiled machine

>>42860394
>which is wrong
Fish do not have enough Group C nerve fibers to feel pain.

They get avoidance response from A-delta fibers. That is why they often mimic pain, as in turning away or rubbing their face on a tank.

But as far as actual pain. Nope, not happening. This also applies to pretty much all invertebrates as well.

http://www.vapaa-ajankalastaja.fi/files/Tiedostot/RoseEtAl_FishFish_online_2012.pdf

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>>42860430

>>42860482
semantics

>>42860213
not op but i drive a hybrid, have water treatment for my company, solar panels that provide energy for my home, my business and i sell clean energy to some friends for 50% of the actual value they'd pay and i also recycle basically everything i can.
besides eating plants, what are you doing? i bet you aint doing half of what i am to at least care about the planet

>>42860504
Not the reality. Most meat is grain fed trash

>>42860513
They physically do not have the necessary nerve endings to feel pain.

And you call that semantics.

By that logic if a plant were to release a pheromone while being harvested, it would also qualify as pain.

>>42860547
Cows spend the majority of their lives on pasture. Only until they are being fattened up to slaughter are they fed grain.

>>42860406
>>42860430
have you been to an actuall cow field? i've seen so many dead calfs because they've been stomped to death because they all stick together all the time

>>42860547
Also cows fucking love grain.

Why do you hate cows?

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>>42856031
>Dude, I'm so cold, let's make shelter
>We'll lets start with a plot of land
>I have a bag full of feathers
>Also, let's forge some steel beams by refining coal and iron in a furnace that I'll make out of stone and super heated fire for a good foundation for a house
>Erm, I was thinking a blanket made out of grass
>WOWOWWWOOOWOOOOOOOOOW lasudfhjasljkfdhsakjlfdbas kvjlbas kljewh lawkjwraw efbas,ndbfa s,m

>>42858976
Untrue.

>>42860622
False analogy, beans are nutritious and healthy, a grass blanket is poor heat insulation lasudfhjasljkfdhsakjlfdbas kvjlbas kljewh lawkjwraw efbas,ndbfa s,m

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>>42860406
>caring about the happiness of beef
People care less about the happiness of humans than fucking cows.

>>42860633
A grass blanket is plenty to bring warmth to them in their climate and situation.

Beans have plenty of nutrition to make a diet without animal products

>>42860569
>your (supposed) anecdotal experience invalidates the cruelty shown in links from OP

lmao

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>>42858976
>this is what vegans actually believe

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>>42860665
Don't these cocksuckers know they are literally killing the planet!

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>>42860665
>google searching "worst possible livestock conditions" to ((((shame)))) people who eat meat.
That being said, the discomfort of pigs doesn't effect me in any tangible way.

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>>42860711
>doesn't effect you
>argument

>>42859048
yummi jamon serano

>>42858104
>A wild deer can continue on living if you don't shoot it.
Until it twists its ankle and gets chased down and slowly eaten by a pack of coyotes. Or until it freezes to death. Or until it gets his by a car and bleeds out on the side of the road. Or until a cut gets infected, and then gangrenous, and the animal slowly dies of infection. It's going to die at some point, and getting shot in the heart is less painful than pretty much any way it could die in the wild.

>>42857665
Good argument.

why the fuck meat eaters are so edgy when they have to defend the habit of eating meat?
WHY?

>>42862380
I guess we should just kill all wild animals out of mercy then

lel

>meatlogic

>>42863429
Why are you such a pantiwaist faggot?

>>42864396
You're the one asking for minimal suffering, not us. That would get you there.

>>42864396

Most of us don't care about the suffering of lesser creatures such as livestock, niggers, and vegans.

>animals deserve humane treatment

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>>42856031
Wait, there's "men" who call themselves vegan?

>>42864565

No, but there are vegans who unjustifiably call themselves men.

>>42864511
how about not murdering anything needlessly? isn't that a step better?

>>42864561
wut

>>42864748
No, because their eventual death would be in all likelyhood much worse. Your solution would not minimize suffering, only intentional human on animal violence

>>42864862
is it ok for me to put you down quietly in your sleep, because you'll like die from a horrible case of colon cancer a few years later anyway?

>>42856031
>- Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man
So what? The Vedas tell you explicitly that warm milk is the best substance for a human to consume.

I suppose you think your one outdated and flawed study is superior to thousands of years of accumulated knowledge.

>>42864965
>The Vedas
top kek

>>42864925
Are you implying that an animal life is of equivocal value to a human life?

>>42865213
no! now answer the question

>>42865220
Then your question is a fallacy.

>>42865252
It's a fairly straightforward question. I can easily answer it without any issues, I don't see where the fallacy is

>>42865271
You are extrapolating a situation of killing animals to humans in rebuttal.

Humans are not equivalent to animals, so it is a false analogy.

Any answer would be irrelevant to the conversation.

>>42856146
>roid delts
no ones falling for it you degenrate druggie. go pass out in a gutter why dont you

>>42858136
top
fucking
kek

>>42865297
It's not an analogy, forget all that happened before. I'm asking you a question.

>>42865308
the answer is no.

>>42865323
Great!

Is it morally ok for me to go to your house and put down your dog/cat/whatever pet you have, quietly in their sleep?

>>42865331
No, it is not your dog.

Just as it is not okay for you to come and destroy my TV.

>>42865346
Oh, so humans are not like animals, but dogs are like TV. Your kindergarten level understanding of "false analogy" checks out perfectly, you win. Bye.

>>42865370
You aren't very good at this.

>>42865370
instead of trying to rebut his solid point you just made yourself look retarded

>>42857463
>not wanting to be buried in a pet sematary

Don't you wanna live your life again?

lmao vegans

>>42857898
You looking to get those L O W Z I N C babies? More traps for me to fuck I guess

>>42859462
Says the vegancuck trying to convince animals not to eat.

>>42867343
100 g dry oats and 200 g dry lentils cover 100% your RDA and you're at only 1/4 of a normal adult male's calorie TDEE.
Inb4 you post something retarded like "who tf eats lentils dry"

>>42867379
Completely misunderstanding veganism

>>42867409

>hurr durr the government is dumb and we dont need meat
>hurr durr look at these government recommendations for nutrition it means im right

>>42867448
What?
>the government is dumb and we dont need meat
When did i say that?
Also, what nutrient is there in meat that you can't find elsewhere?

>>42857424
Fish don't have the capacity to feel pain and it's dubious that they're conscious. They don't display any major qualia and aren't self-aware. Plants react to stimuli too, that doesn't make them conscious.

>>42867461
vitamin b12

what nutrient is there in plants that you cant find elsewhere

>>42867471
I covered that. If this is what's stopping you, cut out meat, dairy and eggs an keep eating fish. It's a benefit to the animals, the environment and your health, and you're still getting the mythical "superior quality" animal protein

>>42857704
The poster's argument is neutral wrt god's existence.

There's no major religion that claims the existence of a God which also claims that God provided animals souls. In fact, Christianity pretty strongly implies the opposite

>>42867477
>vitamin b12
Wrong, you can find B12 from non animal sources, literally google it
>what nutrient is there in plants that you cant find elsewhere
That's a stupid statement to make because 1) nobody is exclusively carnivore so they do get some benefits of eating plants like fiber, vit C, antioxidants etc and 2) plants are more sustainable to grow than animals and 3) plants aren't sentient and don't qualify as someone, animals do, so it is never wrong to """hurt""" a plant

>>42867491

define hurt, cows are not in pain when slaughtered

>>42867409
Babies don't eat oats and lentils m8.

What is the zinc content of oats and lentils anyway? Looking for a cheap zinc source that's not cocoa. Help save lambs and african soil quality by spoonfeeding me this info.

>>42865370
You need some vitamin B son.

You just shot yourself in the damn foot.

Pets are possessions. So are TVs. This is not hard.

>>42867471
Even if this is true, you also need to consider that in eating fish you are fuelling the delusion that it's necessary to eat animals for health

Lads, I don't consume dairy, although I do eat eggs from the rescue chickens I have in my allotment. I don't eat meat except bivalves and crustaceans, and only fish I have caught myself, so maybe a couple of times in summer.

Girlfriend eats so much meat. Every time she is home she is eating steak or chicken. She keeps moaning that I'm forcing my ideals but I never talk about them and never moan at her...


I'm the one who does the cooking mostly (ex chef) and simply refuse to cook her meat from an animal likely to have suffered now.. I will still cook for her.

What do?

>>42867507

eating animals is absolutely necessary for optimal function

>>42867521
You need to FORCE your justified beliefs harder

>>42858746
Do you think humans are morally equivalent to animals?

>>42867524
wrong, there is no nutrient that can't be obtained via plant or supplementation

>inb4 meatards who think supplementation is inherently unhealthy

>>42867544
The suffering or happiness of an animal is not worth less than the suffering or happiness of a human

>inb4 meatards arbitrarily valuing human suffering/happiness above all else with no philosophical basis

>>42867497
If I anaesthisize you right now (woth a boltgun, not with a serum of course) and then slit your throat and drain your blood out, would it be ethical since you didn't feel pain?
>but humans aren't cows!
I didn't say they were. "Hurt" is contextual. Would you be ok with me painlessly "hurting" you and eating you for dinner?
>In b4 kuru/prion's
We're talking morality, not health

I know you're shitposting and don't really care what I say, just legit curious to see what you'll come up with now
>>42867500
>Babies don't eat oats and lentils m8.
Babies DEFINITELY don't eat meat, they are physiologically incapable due to weak jaws and no teeth.
Blend it in something, and let the baby drink it
There is literally nothing wrong with feeding a baby a plant based formula or an oats and banana shake as long as it meets all its nutrient needs
>What is the zinc content of oats and lentils anyway?
Enough to meet an adult male's daily requirements at 300 g combined dry
>Looking for a cheap zinc source that's not cocoa.
Lentils and oats
> Help save lambs and african soil quality by spoonfeeding me this info.
Zinc (and calcium, magnesium, selenum, manganese, iron, all the minerals in general) are chemical elements (this implies a fixed number of protons at the atom core)
Since animals don't have nuclear reactors that perform element fusion for stomachs, it's safe to assume that literally every single mineral that animal flesh gives can be found in plants

>>42867547
>autistic vegan thinks you can boil nutrition down to a list of micronutrients

just eat soylent you fucking retarded cuck

>>42867560

cows arent people

>>42867521
Ask her to watch Earthlings with you, or ask her to stop being a lazy cunt and cook her own meals
As for yourself, are you constantly cooking grains and legumes? Haven't you ever fed her a plant based burger? Even my most fanatic omni friends don't say no to a juicy, properly spiced and grilled bean burger

>>42867567
highly insightful observation

>>42867578

and yet here you are conflating the two

>>42867567
Excellent observation anon, and crocodiles aren't birds. What does that have to do with the discussion?

>>42867567
Unless you can make a meaningful distinction between the two which makes the killing a human for no reason wrong, but killing a cow for no reason okay, your statement is worthless

>>42867577
Plugging more recent UK earthlings

Land of hope and glory (2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvtVkNofcq8

>>42867621
Uh, uh, I know that one, ok, it's steroids don't count and he built all his muscle on meat and is now barely maintaining
Do I fit in yet?

>>42867633

it literally is steroids though, what next are you retards gonna post "the strongest man in the world" patrik baboumian?

SEASPIRACY - Commercial fishing is ruining marine life and the ocean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgkrQSRy9E

>>42867644
Duh, I mean everyone knows steroids contain B12, zinc, iodine and protein or whatever plant based diet "deficiency" you kids claim there is

>>42867659

no steroids contain powerful androgens that mean you can literally eat like a retard (vegan) and get swole

>>42867521

Don't give up your principles for her. Let her bitch about it.

>>42867560
>Babies DEFINITELY don't eat meat
Please read the post chain before responding, you autistic fuckwit. Babies should DEFINITELY be breastfed to receive adequate zinc levels. Sucking a tit is not the same as biting a chunk of titflesh, so don't conflate the two just because you are too retarded to use basic 4chan functionality to read a discussion before shoving your vegan cock in there.

>>What is the zinc content of oats and lentils anyway?
>Enough to meet an adult male's daily requirements at 300 g combined dry
Autistic fuckwit in charge of quantitative nutrition. "Enough/10". Fuck you, and I hope you get "enough" cancer.

>>42867682
kek ok champ, just don't get too angry, you'll wake the kids

>>42857663
God made humans in his image and all other animals are here on earth are here to be our food. Look up Genesis 9:3 nigga.

>>42867704
There is a magic room, sealed off, and inside is jesus and the devil
In the room there is a table with two plates, a bean burrito and an empty burrito with a pig to kill and put inside
Who would eat which iyo?

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>>42864511
HAHAHAHA you're a generic scifi villain

>>42867701
I ask for some basic data, but instead get some sort of passive-aggressive vegan stawman vomit.
Just delete the thread if actual discussion of facts is prohibited.

>>42867500
Oats 15mg/100g (fortified)
Lentils 4mg/100g

yw

>>42859614
I don't have any issue with liquidating retards.

>>42867851
what about normie oats?

vegan/greenpill pol thread

get in here vegan brahs

>>>/pol/141611728