Hehe No seriously guys, why aren't you all vegan yet?

i'd die without dairy products

Easier to get your daily dose of protein with meat.

>>42855813
I was vegan for a couple years. It was a miserable existence and cut me out of a lot of opportunities to go out to restaurants with friends and family, and made food shopping a minefield of label-reading. What's the point in stopping animal suffering if I'm suffering in the process?

>>42855825
This. You don't even need scoops.

>tfw you're vegetarian and both sides hate you

>>42855813
Meat is so delicious. I picked up some bacon and cheese burgers at Walmart, probably the best burger I've had.

Meat is pretty cheap too, those four burgers were 1.3lbs for $5 or $6. With sales at Walmart I can get 2lbs of flank steak for $7, that's probably five dinners.

Would you go vegan if:

It tasted as good as meat
As easy to meet macros as a 'normal' diet

>>42855860
Yes

>>42855847

Poor you

>>42855813
No need to.

>>42855813

I'm not retarded

>>42855851
Vegetarians are much less obnoxious then vegans so I don't mind them.

>>42855813
Because I don't hate myself and doctor gives me a clean bill of health every 6 months

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>>42855813
AYYYYY LMAO.

>>42855996
vegetarian master race
we walk the truly enlightened path

>>42855813
Seconding. No reason not to be part of a morally superior vegan master race

>avocado on every meal

white people baka

>>42855860
We wouldn't even be having this discussion
We would just be vegan

>>42856803
Mate then literally just go vegan
Soy milk is the same as cow 2% milk
There are excellent chicken, burger and bacon substitutes
The only thing there isn't a faithful replacement for is steak and eggs
And as for macros, simply eat less rice and more legumes

>>42855858
Great price! Easy and cheap way to get heart disease.

>>42855858
>1.3lbs for $5 or $6
That's about 10euro/kg, that's not cheap at all compared to lentils, tofu, seitan, beans, pb and other vegan sources of protein. And this is the price for the worst quality beef you could possibly get. Soy-fed, factory farmed, god knows how many pesticides, antibiotics and hormones it's consumed.

>>42856674
>no food
black people baka

>>42855813

>spending 40+ dollars a day on tolerable "vegan" meals

no, i'd rather keep my money and my gains thank you

>>42857061
>He thinks beans are expensive
>He thinks beans don't have protein
>He thinks beans can't be as tasty as you want
>He is too stupid to do a 5 second Google search
smuglolis.png

>>42857061
>ruin health
>ruin environment
>ruin animal lives

lel good choice amoral autist

I'd rather die of colorectal cancer than give you sanctimonious cunts the satisfaction.

>>42855813
Becauses vegan doesn't go far enough, all that processed sugar and refined wheat isn't any better for you than meat.

The true masterrace diet is unprocessed vegetables, fruits, nuts, and legumes with very occasional feasts of meat and fish with friends or family in social situations followed by periods of fasting

>>42857193
lol what is this shit

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>>42855813
lol saved

>>42856831
>meat is bad
>90% of vegan products are meat substitutes

also
>soy

Vegans deserve everything they get.

>>42857225
>90% of vegan products are meat substitutes
Pasta, rice, potatoes, corn, white beans, brown beans, red beans, green beans, green peas, chickpeas, oats, peanuts and literally every vegetable, fruit, nut and seed ever that I cbf to list is vegan ant takes up 20/21 of my weekly meals
Also
>Le soy is bad meme
Kys

>>42856674
When I lived in Quito my host family would put avocado on literally everything.

>>42857225
lel like a healthy body, longer lifespan and clear conscience

>>42857416
>lel
oh look, this retard again

>>42856831
>soy

RABBLE GRABBLE, SNIGGERS AND GRITS
I AM THE GOBLIN OF SOY TITS

>>42857446
Post O N E (1) mechanistic study (not case studies, dum dum), that proves that soy has feminisation effects in men

>>42856674
>white people baka
You mean "Americans", which aren't white.

My nutritionist told me that going vegan would kill me

>>42857436
>only one person says lel
new here, faggot?

>>42857287
How is Ecuador? I studied abroad in Chile, and am deciding between Lima, Quito, and Buenos Aires next time I go to South America

>>42855851
I have a few bros who are veggies. They're pretty cool guys, mostly into it because their gf's/wives are doing it and they like pussy.

>>42857436
lel

>>42855813
Imagine eating some leaves with leaf sauce all your life

>>42855858
>Meat is so delicious.

Go to a butcher, buy some raw meat. Cook it in water then look me in the eye and tell me it was delicious.

>>42859966
i recently did exactly this with some fresh chicken breast and it was absolutely wonderful

>>42859966
why cook it in water? that would only remove the natural flavors.

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>>42859966
>cook something badly then tell me it tastes good
really makes you think

A big reason is the complete lack of variety. Every vegan diet is just absurd quantities of lentils and bean mash every fucking day. Most of that stuff tastes like shit, especially if you're making it "healthy". I'm morally conflicted about killing and eating animals but I care enough about actually enjoying my food that I choose to do it anyway. No one can come home from a hard workout hungry and excited to chow down on soy loaf and seed mash.
>>42855851
Vegetarian is fine, realistically you shouldn't be eating very much meat for the sake of health
You can cook plenty of stuff if you're using dairy and eggs
>>42859966
>look me in the eye and tell me it was delicious
Alright, daytime Emmy

>>42859966
Ok but in return you have to go to the farmer's market, buy some raw veggies, shove them up your ass and stew them in your asshole for a week, then look me in the eye and tell me it was delicious.

>>42855813
mainly because nothing is as filling as meat

>>42860168
except me cock

>>42855847
>made food shopping a minefield of label-reading. What's the point in stopping animal suffering if I'm suffering in the process?
yeah that lasts like a whole 2 weeks maybe

>>42855813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3z-hMOpfA

92.5kgx3 squat max after 7 years of training.

Vegan nogains

>>42856831
Literally everything you just said is vegan propaganda
>soy milk
Soy milk isn't milk. It's soy water injected with as much nutrients the company who produces it can afford. And even then, it can't compare to real milk. The sugar in real milk is lactase, a very difficult to process sugar that's only found in dairy products
Even then. Cow's milk contains all of the nutrients to grow a fucking cow. Because we're so close together on the evolutionary scale, 90% of what we need to grow is also everything cows need to grow

>substitutes
Not real chicken, burgers, and bacon. They're processed foods and come with all of the issues processed foods come with
Also you'll have to eat twice as much as due to our bodies not being able to process proteins as much

>>42860257
>processed foods

Do you even know what a processed food is m8?
You can literally make mock chicken or duck meat with wheat flour.

>>42855858
>I picked up some bacon and cheese burgers at Walmart, probably the best burger I've had.
i'm sorry for you then

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>>42860343
By substitutes I've always thought it meant the shit you buy in stores
If you can make it yourself, than that just includes the hassle of actually making it, and still has the issue of the protein not being easily digestible

>>42855813
Bottom right appears to be chicken and waffles. I'm sure they won't die of starvation.

>>42856674
I'm white and I love avocado but I became highly allergic when I hit puberty. I miss it

>>42860257
>vegan propaganda
"information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view."
How does the definition fit what I said?
>Soy milk isn't milk.
Alright you colossal autist, they are both emulsions with a white color, 100ish kcal for a glass and 10 g protein, same RDAs for calcium, B12 and other minerals that is usually used for breakfast. Good enough definition now?
Oh, by the way, when are we going to rebrand coconut milk, peanut butter, buffalo wings, chicken fingers etc?
>It's soy water injected with as much nutrients the company who produces it can afford.
You are legally not allowed to deviate too much from what the label reads, you are a liar
>And even then, it can't compare to real milk.
In what exactly way?
>The sugar in real milk is lactase, a very difficult to process sugar that's only found in dairy products
And?
>Cow's milk contains all of the nutrients to grow a fucking cow. Because we're so close together on the evolutionary scale, 90% of what we need to grow is also everything cows need to grow
That's an appeal to nature. Minerals are minerals, vitamins are vitamins, protein is protein, and the only thing soy milk lacks is the suffering of someone else
>Not real chicken, burgers, and bacon.
Yes, that's what I said, they are substitutes.
By the way, have you ever had them?
>They're processed foods
Mate they are just mashed beans, oil, salt, spices, and a binder like gluten
The worst offender is probably soy mince which comes from soy protein isolate, which comes from water- or alcohol-washed soybeans. The only "unhealthy" thing about it is that it loses its nutrients.
By the way, every meat you've ever had except actual cuts is way worse processed. Google nitrates used in meat preservation (bacon, sausage, hot dogs etc)
>Also you'll have to eat twice as much as due to our bodies not being able to process proteins as much
Straight up lie, post source or kys

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Because we have evolved to eat meat which is easier to digest and absorb vitamins and minerals we need for optimal health.

>>42855851
Vegetarians are on the side of sanity and righteousness.

>>42856831
Soyboys, we're ITT!! !
[spoiler] post a pic of u r massive gains [/spoiler]

>>42860091
>valuing taste/whims over moral integrity

never gonna make it

>tfw in Veterinary course
>tfw when vegan tries ti start shit
>tfw Nutrition teacher who also lifts #rekts that bitch

Amazing day

>>42860255
this guys been lifting for 7 years and he looks like that? haha

>>42860466
>vit A
A carrot has orders of magnitude higher vit A than the RDA
>but the conversion rate is low
Only if you already eat vit A from meat. If your body doesn't find it, it jacks up the conversion rate.
>B1-B6
Soy products
Nooch
>B12
Soy milk
Mock meats
Supplement for 4c a day
>Vit D
I live in north europe, where everyone eats meat 3 times a day, and doctors still recommend that everyone supplement
>Folate
the image admits it's reaching
>iron
Heme iron is carcinogenic
Legumes and greens have a fuckton of iron
>Calcium
Mate, no, just no. Literally everything has calcium. Also, the countries with the highest dairy consumption have the most osteoporosis
>Iodine
Nigger literally just put salt in your food
>ALA
Conversion of ALA to EPA is 5-20% and ALA to DHA is 1-4%
Even if we assume the lowest ranges, we still get 6%
You need 500mg total of EPA + DHA combined
A tbsp flax oil has 7g ALA
Total conversion is 420 mg. Just with a tablespoon, and with the lowest rates possible.

K Y S

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>>42860466
Chlorella powder is the best source of vitamin D and it's a plant.

>>42859966
actually, this is how beaners make tacos, they just boil the shit and then dump a shit load of cumin and chili powder on it. tastes fine.

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Why are americans so against the idea of veganism when their meat & dairy contain the highest amount of antibiotics and growth hormones of which a lot are banned in the rest of the world?

I mean, are you really fine with consuming shit even fucking chinese wouldn't touch?

>>42856008

So if I went vegan I could look like this after 12 years of lifting?

>>42859966
nothing wrong with poaching meat if it's done right

>>42855825
Nice dude you got shilled into thinking you need a bunch of protein

>>42855847
Damn dude your life is really hard

>>42855851
Dude same, I prefer vegan eating but I've just accepted that jews sneak milk/eggs into everything

>>42855858
>cheap Walmart beef
it's cheap because it's low quality

Enjoy gyno and heart disease

>>42855860
Guess what? We're at that point now

Well, I don't care about "as good" but good is good, the need to compare is pretty worthless imo

You know, most of these arguments against meat apply to red meat what with claims of heart disease and cancer. What about poultry? It's pretty much 95% of my meat intake.

>>42860465
>How does the definition fit what I said?
>misleading nature used to promote a political point

>You are legally not allowed to deviate too much from what the label reads, you are a liar
Did I say they deviated from the label? No, I said they injected as much nutrion they could to make it comparable to normal milk. And even then it doesn't add up

>In what exactly way?
Read the next fucking sentence dyel faggot

>And?
Lactase is a better carb than the shit they put in Soy milk? It's better on the glycemix index

>That's an appeal to nature. Minerals are minerals, vitamins are vitamins, protein is protein, and the only thing soy milk lacks is the suffering of someone else
le >a calorie is a calorie myth
Normal milk contains a lot of different nutrients that soy milk can never have
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368372

>By the way, have you ever had them?
I don't eat cruelty free foods

>Mate they are just mashed beans, oil, salt, spices, and a binder like gluten
And pizza is bread, tomatoes, and cheese. Doesn't mean you should eat it.

>By the way, every meat you've ever had except actual cuts is way worse processed. Google nitrates used in meat preservation (bacon, sausage, hot dogs etc)
Why do you think I eat those?

>Straight up lie, post source or kys
http://jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

>>42855825
>dose

Please tell me the environmental damage is real or not. I rather forget the taste of meat than not breathing.

>>42861113
I say it is, but do your own research

>>42861113
The world would be 10x better off if everyone was vegan most likely, but it's irrelevant since that wont happen

>>42859259
day of the rake when

>>42855847
That's why I still allow myself a slice of cheese from time to time. That way I can go out and eat pizza with my friends while still having an overall plant based lifstyle.

>>42856831
>There are excellent chicken, burger and bacon substitutes

Not really. They taste worst than cardboard. Stop spreading misinformation.

>>42856831
>>42857270
Soy has estrogen in it. Your entire diet seems constructed to remove foods with testosterone and replace them with foods that increase estrogen. Are you a tranny?

>>42861217
not vegan, normie half ass scum

>>42861287
I never said I'm vegan you faggot. I even eat meat once a month or so if I give a fuck.

>>42861323
eating meat once a month is equivalent to smoking a pack of cigarettes every day you little poser

>>42855813
Would vegans eat 3D printed meat? It has nothing to do with killing animals, it's just cloned cells.

>>42861338
I smoke cigarettes too once in a while. Come at me fag.

>>42857446
Kek

Give me one good reason to stop eating meat

>>42860956
Fuck. Just noticed. Nutrition*

I'm not vegan because vegan shit costs more. It's also sucks to be vegan if you often go out like me. A shitton of places you can't really eat and almost nobody here has vegan at home, so no snacks at parties.
I do however dont eat alot of meat as I get my protein mostly from dairy products, eggs and scoops.
I dont give a shit about animals either.


>>42860878
So you're saying I dont need 100-110gr of protein even thou I lift and am a young working class male?

>>42861505
>I'm not vegan because vegan shit costs more

Not true unless you live in a third world shithole like the US.

>>42855847
BLACK BEAN EVERYTHING

seriously though, that was my experience. black bean burgers, croquettes, fritters, black bean coffee mix. Mashing that shit into a paste was labor intnsive

>>42861545
I live in Belgium.
But like I said I dont even buy alot of meat because of it's price. Here vegan shit costs even more than basic meats.

And pretty much 90% of this board is from the US, Canada or EU.

>>42861505
>100 g prot
tiptopkek are you a 5'1 woman?

>>42861578
Not vegan and most likely never will be due to lack of science supporting it, however how are legumes and vegetables expensive?

>>42860529
elaborate?

>>42860688
Yuropoor vegans pls go and stay go.

>>42861338
Muh cancer memes. Did u know eating chicken is equivalent to stabbing yourself in the neck?>>42861347

>>42861578
>Beans are expensive
What a shitty tired meme, I got bored of looking for my bored pepe

>>42861247
You haven't had good substitutes yet

>>42856831
fuck off with the meat substitutes and learn how to cook some veggies. much better that way.

>>42857459
East Asia.

I like the way meat tastes,heavily dislike veggies. No i dont care about the "suffering" of animals,and no i dont care about the "damage" to the enviroment. Stop trying to force your lifestyle onto the unwilling.

>>42861827
There is literally nothing wrong with eating a filthy, greasy, unhealthy pea or black bean or soy berger once per week, with fries, ketchup and vegannaise
I'm not a fucking monk

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>>42861875

Y-yeah, about that..

>>42861935
OH SHIT
Brb doing GOSAD

>>42855860
If that were true humans never would have domesticated animals for food in the first place

>>42861999
What an incredibly smart argument

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i can afford grass fed meat

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>>42860688
most americans probably dont know about veganism, and if they did, it would be a lot harder than going to mcdonalds
you underestimate how horribly lazy the average american is

>>42862103
>americans
>shit education
>shit food quality

cant really blame them but the corporations poisoning their bodys and minds. and instead of finger pointing the ones who allow this fuckup we fall for their division and conquer tactics. sad times to be alive

>>42861881
you like what you eat, you stupid nigger. you grow to like new foods the more you eat them

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>>42855813

>>42862562
>look mommy, i posted it again

>>42855813
Two words:
Money and Estrogen.
Show me an affordable vegan meal plan that won't turn me into a high est tranny and I'll follow it. That means no chickpeas, no kidney beans, no soy based products, no peanuts, you know the stuff.
And I'm not being cute here, I'll literally try it, I'm actually curious about that.

>>42862984
There are literally zero MECHANISTIC studies that prove that soy increases estrogen or decreases free test, and there aren't even rumors that lentils, peanuts, chickpeas, kidney beans etc have any feminizing effect on he body. Seriously, you are the first redneck who ever even thought that chickpeas will turn you into a trap
Holy shit how insecure could you be

>>42862984
>legumes, literally one of the best foods for human beings
>they turn you into a high test tranny
you've been memed

not a vegan but had a veggie burger today, pretty damn good actually. and 30g of protein for like 400 calories.

>>42863108
congrats, you made the first step.
some vegan burgers are really crap though, and overpriced. gotta learn which brands / places make good shit. or make your own if you want to become vegan chef masterrace

>>42862984
Not even a vegan, but meat & dairy most likely contain more estrogen than fucking lentils or beans.

>>42863146
actually bought it at harveys (canadian only restaurant I think). 400 calories was for everything even the bun so it was a decent meal for my cut. Yeah I'm slowly changing my diet towards more vegan, probably will become fully after uni when I get my own place.

>>42863159
.. and that's mammalian estrogen, not phytoestrogen. phytoestrogens are actually good for you (you know, based on actual medical science and not 50 year old memes)

>>42863159
>>42863192
estrogen does not have any effect when ingested.
ingesting phyto-est on the other hand, is sure to raise your estrogen level.

I enjoy meat, I enjoy varied food, and can balance a healthy diet with meat. That's right! Contrary to vegan strawmen, the only ones who abstain from a type of food are vegans. "Meat eaters" actually can eat both plants and meats. Furthermore no vegetarian, and especially vegan, has ever been able to convince me to change my ways.
>health
"No!" it is entirely possible to be unhealthy with a vegan diet, and entirely possible to live a healthy life with a meat diet. The most unhealthy part of your average McDonalds meal is the fries, followed by the soda. Both of which are a-ok for vegetarians and vegans. Candy, confectionary products, soda, chips are all okay for vegans and vegetarians in general, barring some exceptions. Make no mistake, the youth of today is not overweight because of meat. They're overweight because they gulp down 4000 calories a day of pure vegan approved goodnes. In my anecdotal experience people who are fat and switch to veganism continue being fat.
>environment
I don't believe in regressing. We don't stop global warming and such by cutting how much we use energy, we find better energy sources. We will also breed cows that don't produce harmful gasses, and so on.
>ethics
Human civilization and equal co-existence with animals is impossible. If your reasoning for being a vegan is anything on the line of "they have rights" (or any extension of that) why are you so comforatable with every other aspect of human civilization that violates said rights? Why is this the only way you fight for said rights? Because you don't really have any profound philosophical motive behind your veganism, and you don't really think animals have rights. Ethical veganism is hypocritical most of the time, no matter how you spin it.

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>>42863287
forgot my fair and balanced picture of an average vegan

>>42863287
>I enjoy meat, I enjoy varied food, and can balance a healthy diet with meat.
>I enjoy smoking and I can balance a healthy lifestyle of daily exercise with smoking.

>>42863326
http://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=false+equivalence
Eating mainly chicken and different vegetables on the weekdays and some more unhealthy (though the unhealthiness mainly comes from things that are okay vegans as well) foods on the weekend is not equivalent to chain smoking

>>42863287
>Human civilization and equal co-existence with animals is impossible. If your reasoning for being a vegan is anything on the line of "they have rights" (or any extension of that) why are you so comforatable with every other aspect of human civilization that violates said rights? Why is this the only way you fight for said rights? Because you don't really have any profound philosophical motive behind your veganism, and you don't really think animals have rights. Ethical veganism is hypocritical most of the time, no matter how you spin it.

I don't believe in rights period, let alone animal rights. Rights are memes to bamboozle idiots.

However, I believe that it's wrong to cause suffering and death needlessly. Please explain, how is this a hypocritical position?

>>42863406
>it's wrong to cause suffering and death needlessly
Define "needlessly". You would discover that what you consider necessary and what others do not can vary. You still most likely do things that harm animals (I.E live in a city, buy stuff from shopping malls - hell, even fields displace wild animals a ton), but of course those things that you do can be deemed as "necessary" while the things that those others do are "not necessary".

>>42863404
Nobody said that they were equivalent. It's an analogy. They are similar behaviors in that they're both harmful for your health & they're both unnecessary and easily avoidable.

>>42863437
Your analogies were not similar at all though. And as I've demonstrated quite clearly, there is nothing inherently healthy about vegetarianism/veganism. Just as there is nothing inherently unhealthy about eating meat. Especially when you take into account the philosophical implications of the world "health. Do you know there is no single agreed upon the definition for health? Some organizations put more value on enjoying life over having "a biological healthinesss" (which essentially amounts to how fit you are for getting kid"

I have a theory that the massive upsurge in vegan propaganda is actually a psyop by the Hindus
WORLD POWER 2020

>>42863430
>You would discover that what you consider necessary and what others do not can vary.

Sure, but most sane and honest people will agree that paying extra money, damaging your health, and harming the environment, just in order to murder a sentient being, it's more than unnecessary.

>>42855813
how would you even cut tho?

>>42863461
>And as I've demonstrated quite clearly, there is nothing inherently healthy about vegetarianism/veganism. Just as there is nothing inherently unhealthy about eating meat.

There's nothing inherently healthy about not smoking, I mean you could not smoke and then kill yourself, that's bretty bad for you.

Sure, there are ways to fuck up any diet. Eat nothing but deep fried avocados. Whatever. The point is that a well planned vegan diet is better for your health, than any non-vegan diet. It's simple.

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im vegetarian but i like cheese too much :'(

>>42863172
having your own place is great because being able to cook for yourself is HUGE, both for health & gains. godspeed senpai

>>42855813
I tried it for half a year. Its too much work to eat enough calories and I'm a skelly as it is. I was tired of being constantly hungry. Not being able to go out and eat with friends. And the food tasting overall shittier than "regular" food. Not saying it can't taste well but it's not the same. First pizza I ate after 6 months of being vegan felt better than nutting by far.

>>42862562
badass lil chinks

>>42863517
>vegan diet is better for your health, than any other non vegan diet
Get a load of this brainlet. Let me guess, you live in a city and grew up with a single mother. Come with me hunting, riding horses and fishing with your bare hands, i change your view of life, diet and health in less than a week, you sad fuck.

>>42863749
>Its too much work to eat enough calories and I'm a skelly as it is.

Hah I hear this one a lot. Can't eat enough as a vegan.. shit is hilarious. Super common to hear on /fit/ as well, not just in a vegan context. /fit/ is completely retarded in this regard

The other day I met this guy at the local gym, maybe 200lbs, bit overweight, and he was asking me to design a cutting vegan diet for him that's, brace yourselves, fucking 1600 kcal/day. Nigga I'm 15 lbs less than you and I lose weight on TWICE AS MANY CALORIES. My 6 year old daughter eats around 1800 kcal and it's not like she's overweight, just lives an active life and doesn't eat garbage. It boggles my mind that so many grown ass men eat baby portions of shit meme foods and then sit on their ass all day like fucking degenerates, AND they still manage to be fat.

>>42863826
>Let me guess, you live in a city and grew up with a single mother.
all wrong, good try though
>Come with me hunting, riding horses and fishing with your bare hands, i change your view of life
Yes, I'm sure murdering some animals for no reason would fuck me up, just like you
>you sad fuck
ok senpai

>>42863855
yes, keep doing what you're doing, it seems to be working great!

>>42860255
lmaooooooo how can he think holding the bar like that is a good idea?

Veganism is healthier, cheaper (at least lentils and beans if you consider the protein per dollar) and better for the planet, these are hard facts.

However, I dont give a fuck about health or the planet and only slightly about animals, but not nearly enough for me to become vegan. Sorry Veganbros, you're fighting the good fight, but meat will always consumed

>>42860255
yes it's funny because he has fucked up knees from a sports injury, and it causes him to have a weak squat, haha, what a fool

haha 7 years, 95% of which he hasn't even been vegan, vegans clearly btfo

>>42862984
rice beans and vegetables you retard

>>42855813
vegans eat way too much fiber and sugar, especially if they eat alot of grains, which most do to feel full

>>42863828
>It boggles my mind that so many grown ass men eat baby portions of shit meme foods and then sit on their ass all day like fucking degenerates, AND they still manage to be fat.
yep, the jews are winning

>>42856008
nonexistent traps

>>42863953
>vegans eat way too much fiber
that's like saying their diet is way too healthy

>>42855813
More expensive, less protein, don't care about animals and vegans are usually women and numales, don't wanna be associated with that

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>>42857164

>he thinks morality is objective

>>42863974

oh look a stupid vegan imagine that

>>42864858
are trying you to make the extraordinarily stupid claim that fiber is bad for health?

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>>42857044
Dubs of truth

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>>42855813
>had two sausage egg and cheese McMuffins for breakfast, but didn't eat the shitty english muffin
>predator at work all day, fucking devouring people that don't execute what needs to get done
>had 6 eggs and a cup of broccoli for dinner for perfect fat/protein macros post workout
>currently sipping a hot cup of collagen peptides (like bone broth) for amazing skin

Life without consuming animals isn't a life I want to live, simple as that.

>nb4 your life won't be as long
False, fasting's longevity benefits will put me outliving all vegans.

>>42864900

oh look a vegan who takes massive leaps in logic to arrive at his predetermined conclusion imagine that

>>42855813
Convenience. I'm sold on the ethical argument but after work I'm tired and just don't care.

>>42862562
FASTING

>>42864924
i guess one way to "win" arguments is to insult the other side while refusing to state your own position.

>>42864941

oh look a vegan who engages in cognitive dissonance imagine that

>>42864935
>not driving to the urban center in your area to pay 8 dollars for a vegan veggie shot for dinner.

>>42864951
ok i give up

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>>42864941
Vegans are mostly skinny fat carbcucks that wonder why they're 12% body fat ass has diabetes at 45.

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>>42864986
And also fuck you.

>>42865001
Laura Donnelly, like you, appears to have neglected to read the actual study, because she's "quoting" something that isn't in the study.

>>42865014
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable
>Our results revealed that a vegetarian diet is related to a lower BMI and less frequent alcohol consumption. Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.

vegans utterly blown the fuck out

>>42865053
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable

that's not the lancet study.. and it's also not a study that included vegans.. you're a strange person sir

>>42865053
>mental health disorders
I don't think anyone is questioning that vegans are nutty.

>>42865075

refute it faggot, if you can (you can't)

>>42865085
What should I refute, I agree with the study's conclusions

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>>42860688
Australian here, it's not just yanks. The Drive Thru has killed any reason to cook here

What about all of us who don't buy the bulk of our food? The people who grow our veggies, raise our chickens, rabbits, sheep, etc. and hunt deer, gamebirds, and whatnot. I'm not going to sacrifice my entire lifestyle to spend a boat load of money on some spoiled city kid diet. I hate the arrogance in vegans who assume everyone else is as rich as they are in dollars and in time. Get a hobby that isn't your diet.

>>42857044
jeez i died.

>>42865184
>>42865184
>>42865184

I'm curious why anyone thinks a vegan lifestyle is in anyway expensive. Sweet potatoes, beans, rice, kale and some vegan protein powder costs like 30-50$ total (depending on the powder) and can last you weeks (kale, potatoes) to months (rice, beans, powder).

My shopping costs have gone down DRAMATICALLY since switching to a plant-based diet

>>42865343
also your balls dick and manhood
have gone down DRAMATICALLY

because vegan food is gross and i don't want to have to eat an actual truckload of food to meet my protein needs.

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>>42865817
>everything but meat dairy and eggs is gross
interesting opinion

>>42865343
Because of vegan hoes doing nothing but posting things like shopping wins #infinitehashtags with a photo of them with their Gardein or whatever the fuck $15 per 100 grams or something plus a bag of carrots and a raw acai smoothie for disposable dildos and lube, respectively.
Anyone eating a decent amount of food can't eat like that every day, but I agree those basic things are cheap and good if you can cook.

>>42865343
I tired to pull that off. It worked for a few months then you get annoyed at the mere sight of beans. FUCK BEANS. Also the food tastes BLAND AS FUCK no matter how many spices you add.

>>42856008

>be vegan
>look like shit

You guys are not looking at the positives, at least he's no longer black.

Because I like to eat meat

I actually tried a plant based diet a few months (because of my then gf) and it was terrible. I felt weak and lethargic. Food comatosis was frequent. My gf later on got diabeetus

>>42855860
If those were both true AND vegan products weren't expensive, then yes I'd do it.