>he thinks he needs to get fat in order to build muscle

>>42832093
not fat, just bulking

>>42832093
>he's a dumb frogposter
disgusting

>he's afraid he won't look pretty enough for the girls

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I learned this the hard way, I was gaining at least 1lb per week, and in my eyes if the scale was going up I was making progress and building muscle

My diet was so poor I just got fat, made laughable strength and muscle gains

feels bad man

>>42832093
Learn from people who fucked up: first you cut up to spooky skelly levels THEN you start bulking, SLOWLY. That way you can actually tell when you're putting on too much weight, and you always look socially acceptable except maybe at the very beginning.

>>42833819

>He spends his time wringing his hands over frogs

Pathetic

>find out what your maximal genetic weight at 10% bf is
>bulk up to that weight
>recomp at that weight for the next 10 years

>>42833854
I'm glad to hear that's the way to go. I'm a fatty, and I was planning on heading to skellytown to get rid of all the fat before I really start to bulk. I'm already lifting, though.

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According to symmetric strength, this is what I should be aiming for at 5'11"

I'm currently 203 but almost certainly 20%+ bf. Should I just keep cutting down for now, and if so to what approximately?

>>42833938
cut until you look decent

there's no magic number

>>42833863
>he spends his time posting frogs
Pathetic neet faggot save another frog for me

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>>42833946

This is where I'd like to get to eventually (even if it's not 100% realistic). I'm not concerned about having a ton of definition so long as I've got some good mass. I guess I'm just trying to figure out if I should thin out more first to avoid being a blob

>>42833976
thin out until you don't think you should thin out anymore then start clean bulking at a 500 cal surplus until you get to the build you want to be