You need meat to get your protei-

>>42803743
100 calorie of meat is much easier to get than 100 calorie of vegetable

>>42803743
Vegetables contain higher amounts... OF INCOMPLETE PROTEIN
WHICH MEANS YOU NEED TO EAT MORE
You go veg you literally permabulk.

>>42803766
fpbp

I wonder why these graphs never compare vegetables to chicken breast, shrimp, tuna or other non fatty fish...

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>>42803743
VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Vegans brains are so addled that they think you can raise an INFANT as vegan and expect it to be healthy and develop properly -- which it will NOT. Any pediatrician will tell you that you should not feed a baby a strict vegetarian diet, it will sicken, fail to develop, fail to thrive, and ultimately DIE. Pediatricians who encounter parents who insist, against all professional medical advice, in feeding their infant a Vegan diet, are reported to the police and to Child Protective Services, because it is legally considered CHILD ABUSE. What does THAT tell you?

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

More evidence that Veganism is a LIE and actually hurts humans in the long run:
Veganism DESTROYS the fitness of pro athletes
https://blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

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>>42803831
You fucking meatcuck don't get it, do you? These pics prove that their is an easy way to get 100+g of vegan protein every single day without raping and killing innocent animals.

>>42803831
I wonder why you're so clueless as to not notice it's comparing on '100 CALORIES' and not '100 GRAMS' or some other unit of measure.

>>42803779
>Bulk using broccoli as main source of protein
>Need 150g protein from broccoli, get 50g somehwere else.
>Have to eat 11lb of broccoli/day

Fuck that
>https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3361?&Qv=50

>>42803743
Fuck off with your lies and these shit threads.

>>42803850
Continuing to use tired, busted, worn-out troll memes from Last Thursday is proof positive that you're suffering from the typical cognitive deficit that all vegans suffer from due to chronic amino acid deficiencies. GO EAT A STEAK, NOW, there still might be a chance to save what's left of your brain.

>>42803871
There is vegan protein powder.

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>i wat 100 calories of broccoli
>here you go senpai

POR
QUE
NO
LOS
DOS

>>42803892
>vegan protein powder
Eating SOY, top kek
Why not just go get gender reassignment surgery instead?

>>42803743
>watercress: 4 calories in 34 grams
>21 grams of protons in 100 calories worth
>need to eat half a kilogram of watercress for it
okay nigga

>>42803909
Vegan protein powder is made of peas, you ignorant fuck. It's even cheaper than whey.

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>>42803916
i actually did the math wrong
>4 calories in 34 grams
>850 grams for 100 calories
>850 grams for 21 grams of protons
>4,250 grams of watercress for 100 grams of protons
enjoy eating 9 pounds of watercress for 100 grams of protons

>>42803743
>just eat a few kilograms of watercress per meal

>>42803743
>tfw 100 calories worth of watercress is 25 cups
Have fun eating four bushels of herbs to hit a moderate protein amount

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Face it carnies all you need is a decent amount of vegetables

Meatcucks BTFO

>>42803992
>Have fun eating four bushels of herbs to hit a moderate protein amount
Vegans actually do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4s1I13tmQM

What fucking steak has 5 grams of protein for every 9 grams of fat? This chart is absolute horse shit

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>>42803909
There are good non-soy and non-dairy proteins:
>pea protein
>brown rice protein
>oat protein
>hemp protein
They aren't as optimal as animal proteins, but some people have allergies, medical conditions, or choose not to eat animal products in which case these proteins are a viable alternative.

OP is wrong though because not all proteins are equal in nutritional value. Plant proteins are notoriously low in either lysine (in the case of cereal proteins) or methionine (in the case of legume proteins) and even still the biological value of plant proteins is generally low. A large percentage of plant proteins pass through you without being fully digested. 1g broccoli protein is absolutely not equal to 1g whey protein.

Animal proteins also contain more bioactive peptides which exert positive effects on the digestive tract, cardiovascular, nervous, immune systems, and even have anabolic properties. Plant proteins have none of these bioactive peptides.

post pic of 100 calories of water crescents

>>42803769
>Grain + legume

It doesn't mean you have to eat mroe, it means you need multiple types of food throughout the day. Don't act like you don't get beans and rice along with your meat so that it's edible to you.

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>>42803847

>broscience blog

mmhmm. pull that up jaime.

>>42803769
Please prove how vegetables contain incomplete proteins, herbivore animals like gorillas and elephants get all their protein from vegetables and are still muscular as fuck. The reason why eating meat is better than broccoli if you need protein is that meat has more protein per 100 grams.

>>42804074
>hey aren't as optimal as animal proteins
So what to do?
Mix up my plant proteins?

>>42804127
Gorillas eat 40 pounds of food a day and have colons 5 times as large as ours.

>>42803850
Why wouldn't I want to eat meat with free steroids, you stupid fuck. I swear vegans are retarded

>>42804127
>Please prove how vegetables contain incomplete proteins
Might not be proof but you can read for yourself with a simple google search like i did since i was curious about this shit as well

https://www.muscleforlife.com/animal-protein-vs-plant-protein/

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I'm not a moralcuck and meat is objectively tasty so

>>42804147
How do vegetables contain incomplete protein?

>takes like a 1 inch cube of meat to equal an entire head of broccoli for protein

This meme again

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>>42803893

>>42804225
That article says that it is perfectly possible to get enough EAAs with plant foods, you just have to eat more of them (which can be better if you're cutting because it will make you feel more full with less calories). When they compare leucine in animal foods vs plant foods they don't even mention soy beans, which have more leucine that beef and chicken per 100 grams.

>>42804361
Their concentrations of certain essential amino acids are abysmally low. Combining multiple kinds of plants (traditionally, grains and legumes) partly, but does not entirely relieves this

>>42804434
Soy is the devil boy, it will make you a woman

>>42804493
How?

>>42804459
This is an extreme example, but as you can see here the average adult who doesn't train for strength could get enough essential amino acids just from potatoes. If you're a body builder you just need to eat lots of soy and grains to get the amino acids you need. You could also get them from vegan protein powder, it usually contains a mixture of various plants protein in order to have enough EAAs

>>42804459
>>42804563
Forgot the link https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3091?n1=%7BQv%3D26.52%2C+Q5875%3D0.5%2C+Q5876%3D18.78%7D&fgcd=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=50&sort=default&qlookup=potato%2C+baked&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=&Qv=26.52&ds=&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

>>42803743
people seem to forget that 100kcal of any of the greens is so much better than steak. Also 100kcal is not that much since people should at least consume 500kcal of veggies daily.

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>>42803743
Vegans go and stay go

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>>42804611
what the fuck did you just say little doggo?

>>42804563
Yes, if you're a fucking normie who only needs enough protein to not die (40-50g), some individual plants can get you all your AAs. Not convienient though.
Yes, mixing plants, or eating protein isolated from multiple plants, will get even a body builder all the EAAs they need, but it's still relatively defficient in BCAAs, and tastes like shit compared to whey powder. And while reducing meat consumption in favor of plants which are mostly water is good on a cut, what is the point in swapping out whey powder for veggie powder?

>>42804635
What was that? I couldn't hear what you were saying through all that fucking food in your mouth

>>42804635
>sitting around eating 50 lbs. of vegetation that would kill a human every day
>implying wolves hunt alone
vegans are such faggots it's insane

>>42803850

>implying my dog doesn't give consent

She knows what happens when she starts licking my balls, yet she keeps licking my balls. No peanut butter required.

>>42804745
>implying a pack of wolves could kill a gorilla
wew

>>42804828
which one is more healthy hmm
>implying high volume is somewhat bad

>>42804563
>How?
All studies are not definitive but feel free to google this shit
Here is one (out of many) studies showing that soy protein increase the levels of estrogen in men
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17885008

Here is an entire article on the stuff
https://www.anabolicmen.com/soy-and-testosterone/

>>42803850
>fat is bad
>choloesterol is bad
>preserve the environment so we have more food to feed Muslims and Africans

What kind of a moron made this chart?

>>42804018
jesus fucking christ, she looks like absolute shit. Fucking sad.

>>42804846
obviously the broccili is more healthy but the point is that you have to make and eat a shitload of veggies to get the same macros that's in chicken or steak etc.

>>42804018
>those related videos

HAHAHAHA are vegans mentally ill? Banana peels? 10 bushels of cabbage? 100 bananas a day? All to get what they're missing from animal products. How does any rational person fall for this shit.

>>42804818
...I'm pretty sure they could? 4 or 5 adults could probably do it

>>42804635
Needing to have strong jaws to eat fibourous plants kept gorillas brains from growing like humans did. Literally cucked them into being stupid lmao

>>42804877
yeah but you also get a lot more benefits from eating more veggies. I know its hard at the beginning but I eat daily at least a full head of broccoli and 300g of kale.

>>42804846
>not eating broccoli with a starchy veg and some meat
I wonder why you're a faggot, oh, wait; it's pretty obvious now.

>>42804915
Perfect meal right there.

>>42804848
That study says that there's an increase in urinary estrogens, how is that bad? The result of the study is
>soy consumption may be beneficial in men at high risk of progressing to advanced prostate cancer as a result of effects on endogenous estrogen metabolism.

>>42804910
Most people need more veggies but do you seriously sit there and eat like 2 pounds of broccoli and kale?

>>42805036
>That study says that there's an increase in urinary estrogens, how is that bad
Because estrogen opposes test and kills gains. That's how it might decrease prostate cancer risk, by fucking with your test (testosterone promotes prostate hyperplasia)

>>42803994
>0 cholesterol
>not eating 1 cubic lightyear worth of broccoli every day
not going to make it

>>42805036
Read the entire article and get back to me, i said all studies are not definitive but personally im not gonna risk eating soy and lowering my test

>>42803898
This. Im not quite sure why people think you're either going to eat steak and eggs every meal or beans and broccoli. You can have a chicken breast on your salad, spinach in your omlettes, beef chili with extra beans etc....

>>42804687
>what is the point in swapping out whey powder for veggie powder?
You're not enslaving animals, you're introducing less dioxins in your body, it's better if you're lactose intolerant

>>42803850
>not forcefully fucking cows before you eat them
NGMI

>>42805105
I don't care about animals and my job relies on the existence of the beef and dairy industries regardless of my personal dietary choices
dioxins are of irrelevant concentration in food
I'm not lactose intollerant, but yes, that would be a good reason to not use whey, as vegetable powder is cheaper and less disgusting than meat powder.

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>>42804611
>>42804635
Omnivores rule bitches.

>>42804127
> not having ruminant chamber stomachs with symbiotic cellulose fermenting bacteria.
Never Gonna Make It

>>42803918
Are there any that are good? All the plant-based protein powder I've tried have a chalky mouth feel and taste bad.
>>42803743
This is silly bait. If you're vegan, just eat lentils or other beans for your protein. That's how I get the majority of mine every day, and I'm not even vegetarian.

>>42804818
You're an idiot.

>>42805239
What the fuc the women are cooking literally 15 ft away from a stampeding mastodon?

>>42803743
>>42803779
>per 100 calories meme
I love this meme

>>42805239
yeah, they also live shit outside and lick themself so I guess you also do that, right?

>>42803743

I laugh at those fucking charts

how about you give a nutritional info for 100 GRAMS instead?

100g of chicken breast:
>160kcals
>3g fat
>0g carbs
>30g protein

100g of brocolli:
>30kcals
>0g fat
>7g carbs
>2g protein

amounts needed to get 100 grams of protein:
>chicken breast: 500g
>brocolli: 3.5kg

>>42805225
I forgot about the carbon footprint of animal products being higher than vegetables. I don't care about your job, that just shows how biased you are.

>>42803779
300g of broccoli or 30g of steak for the same amount of protein. What;s easier to eat?

>>42805456
Broccoli if you're a gorilla

>>42805466
Don't give Arnie's secret away

>>42805409
No, modern humans are still omnivores. Are you the intellectual equivalent of a gorilla?

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>>42804910
if you're looking for protein, broccoli is one of the worst foods.

if you're bulking and trying to get 200g of protein, you would be spending $280 per week on food and eating 16 pounds per day. the average american fatass "only" eats 5.5 pounds per day.

if you're vegan, go with lentils, peanuts and peanut butter. they're high in calories but good for protein.

if you're normal, eat chicken and fish. it's the norm for a reason. also eat broccoli and other veggies for their micronutrients, fiber, carbs, etc

>>42804127
There is evidence that gorillas may eat monkeys. At the very least they eat insects.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/

Elephants have been observed eating fish and other animals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEuDFjDdU4

There isn't really any such thing as a "strict" herbivore. Every animal will eat meat if given the opportunity and the need to do so.

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>>42803779

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>>42805727

>>42803850
Who the fuck thinks that one pound of steak is one serving?

>>42803766
this

>>42806199
>not eating 3 lbs of meat a day

>>42803743
>It's a falseflagging idiot posting dumb charts irrelevant to the real world episode again

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>>42805078
Phytoestrogens have similar effects to that of estrogen blockers if they're taken in reasonable ammounts.

As in, if you don't get all your protein from soy products, you're not gonna get any ill effects from soy's phytoestrogens, and you might actually benefit from it.

>>42804098
I don't eat beans or rice at all.

>>42803791

Vegan meme aside beans are the shit.

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>eats 50 kilograms of cabbage
Ahhhh here comes the gains

>>42803743
>>>>>>>>>>> absorb-ability + quality


you fucking uneducated swine ejaculate

>>42803743
you do realize 100 calories of spinach or whatever is like two 4L pails worth right?

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>>42803743
>protein per 100 calories
>100 grams of watercress = 11 calories
>100g of steak = 271 calories

36 grams of steak give you 5.4g of protein.
On the other hand almost 1000 grams of watercress give you 21 grams of protein.

Vegans confirmed for fucking retarded. Again

>>42803892
There's also sucking dick

>>42803743
>"bro getting 130g of protein from plants is easy bro, just eat 3lbs of cabbage every day!"

>>42803893
Kekus maximus

>>42803850
that's a big steak

>>42803878
and get sclerosis, no thanks

>>42803850
>Contains no chemicals
Lmfao yes it does you retards
What do people think chemicals are? Everything is chemicals you fucking retards

>>42805329
>plant-based protein powder I've tried have a chalky mouth feel
so does the whey

>>42809857
3lbs of cabbage only has 17g of protein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4s1I13tmQM

Vegan tries to prove a point. Sits for more than an hour consuming a mountain of lettuce while getting about as much protein as one small chicken breast. Gee! 5lbs of lettuce for that sweet 25g of protein! Which means if i wanted to do the same but get my 150g of protein i would have to eat 30lbs of lettuce!

>>42805410
>not willing to eat 3.5kg of broccoli every day
>never gonna make it

>>42803743
>>42803779
>Per 100 cal
Never fall for vegan meme.

>>42805074
Ok but is there a correlation between urinary estrogens and estrogens in your body? Couldn't your body actually have less estrogens in it because it's expelling them through pee?

>>42803779
100 calories of broccoli is 5 cups worth

1.5 oz of steak is 100 calories, a lot easier to eay

>>42810466
Nigga, I want to inspire fear via size, not via smell.

>>42810431
Chemicals like antibiotics and dioxins you stupid fuck

>>42805410
>500g
>3.5kg
Where did u get em numbers
333grams for chicken
5000grams for broc

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>>42803791
Beans = soy
Soy products are high in isoflavone.
Isoflavone, which has a very similar chemical structure to estrogen works as a pseudo-estrogen
It doesnt decreases your testo lvls but it definitely increases your estrogen levels

Basically kills your gains and gives you mantits

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>>42803766
Daily reminder that if you fall for the vegan meme you will never be viewed as masculine by other men.

>>42803743
First of all, what the fuck kinda steak has only 5.4g of protein per 100kcals? Steaks filled with fat has twice that. Anyways, I'll use your shitty stats for my comparison.

Okay, I weight roughly 180lbs, so I'm looking for 180g of protein a day.

Steak - I need to eat 3300kcal of your shitty steak a day, or about 1300kcal of normal steak, to reach my goal. That's 1.5kg of your shitty steak, or about 600g of my steak.

Watercress - I need to eat roughly 880kcal of Watercress a day, which comes out to 8kg of watercress to meet my goal. EIGHT KILOS. I'm not able to stuff eight kilos of food down my throat every day, especially not of a kind that takes up a lot of space.

that's nice
how about grams of protein per 100 grams?

Can i supplement EAA on a vegan diet to still make gains?

>>42810571
Any source for that claim? Because isoflavone is even sold as a bodybuilding supplement: https://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/si.html
https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

>>42810726
You don't need to, just eat lots of soy beans

>>42810762
Im not including soy in my diet because of isoflavone being a pseudo-estrogen. I dont need more estrogen.

>>42810801
>still believing in the "soy increases estrogens" meme
Never gonna make it.
https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

>>42810849
There is alot of proof that it does increase estrogen and vice versa
Im not gonna risk putting that shit into my body mate

>>42803766
This

>>42803893
fucking legend

>>42806199
uhh, me. Ate 1lb of steak for lunch yesterday.

>>42810901
>There is alot of proof that it does increase estrogen and vice versa
Are there any studies that support this? Could you link them?

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Yh, I'll just eat 6 and a half kilos of watercress a day. What are you a fucking rabbit?

>>42803743
a hundred grams of cabbage have 1.3g of protein and 25 calories. you're full of shit. also good luck eating 100 calories worth of cabbage.

ITT /fit/ BTFOs vegans and their intentionally misleading charts and statistics

>>42811087
There have been posts earlier in this thread and im not making the argument that it DOES reduce test levels, im scared and worried that it might be right so i avoid soy to the best of my ability to avoid hamstringing my gains

Ill stick to the EAA for now instead, seems alot safer

>>42810571
>beans=soy
broscientists from /fit/

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>>42811126

>>42803743
Here I go eating a dozen pounds of watercress a day. wtf I hate meat now

Reminds me of the thread where OP had 1000kcal to spare for the day and the trips who won recommended mixed pickles kek

>>42804018
I want to hatefuck her nose

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>>42804018
>She just ate a bucket load of lettuce for 24g of protein
That's literally less than 100 grams of chicken. What a melt.

>>42805363
>not bringing your cooking bitches on the hunt so you can eat the slain beast right there on the spot
>making it

>>42811283
kek I was in that thread, afaik he did it but took half a day and nearly vomited like twice

This thread convinced me to eat more beef.

>>42803766
When the first post is the best post.

>>42804119
Joe "if you really think about it" Rogan

>>42803779
Broccoli only has 8.4g of protein per 100 calories.
Strip loin steak has about 20-21. No idea where the nutritional information in this image came from but it's just incorrect.

>>42803850
>contains steroids
>a con

In my opinion, if one group has to change entire narratives, rules and regulations(like protien/100 cals instead of protein/100gms like a normal human being) and rely on false facts and hiding information(like incomplete protein in brocolli), that group is insane and brainwashing propaganda

>>42804018
Vegans are mentally ill.

>>42803766
Also animal protein is 70% usable, while veggie Its only 50%.

But for 100 calories of broccoli you need to eat about 2 full plates of broccoli and that's disgusting. How bad is your ideology that you need to make up retarded measurements like "grams of protein per 100 calories" to make a point?

>>42804755
Underrated

Vegetable protein is shit you need to eat way more then meat on top of it will just convert to sugar reason why so many vegans get cancer and brain shrinkage

>>42805142
You know, do you think the cow even knows you're there? That's gotta feel like someone repeatedly thrusting their nipple into a human vagoo. Have you seen a bull's dick?

>>42810849
>>42811087
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/
>Poor cognitive test performance, enlargement of ventricles and low brain weight were each significantly and independently associated with higher midlife tofu consumption. A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband's answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife's consumption. Statistically significant associations were consistently demonstrated in linear and logistic multivariate regression models. Odds ratios comparing endpoints among "high-high" with "low-low" consumers were mostly in the range of 1.6 to 2.0.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906
From an anon describing the studies below and the same on isoflavones: Genistein, dihydrogenistein, and equol have essentially the same binding affinity and degree of receptor activation at ERb as endogenous estrogen. Same with dihydrogenistein and equol at ERa. 3 oz of steak contains 1.9ng of estrogen, 8 ounces of soy milk contains 30000ng of isoflavone, clearly higher on a mole for mole basis. And unlike phytoestrogens estrogen is catabolized by the gastrointestinal tract and only about 5% survives first pass to the liver.
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13622/full
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/endo.139.10.6216
>https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/24/4/24_4_351/_article
>http://newsroom.unl.edu/announce/beef/2846/15997
>http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/isoflav/Isoflav_R2.pdf
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694611002123
>(cont.)

>>42813557
>(cont.)
>>42804493
This
>>42804563
>How?
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way-22-12.html

>>42810437
Just not true. myrotein, optimum nutrition, dymatize elite, and rsp flavors I've tried have been p great.

>>42813557
all study related to prostate cancer risk
tell me brainiac what's use of your gains when you're dead from prostate cancer?!
go google the prevalence of prostate cancer in western world, in which practically non existent in tofu eating country
same shit with breast cancer, think about your future waifu too

>>42803791
> cholesterol and saturated fat are bad
> beans are good 'cause they have "phytonutrients"
> 24g protein, >ONLY 120 calories
I don't eat meat, the only animal products I consume are dairy, and 4oz of black beans are 350+ calories considering the fucking carbs what the fuck

This shit is why I keep my dietary choices to myself around normies, 'cause then I get retards on both sides